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    2010 SJ FSR 29er

    Here's a bit of info on the new SJ FSR 29:

    130mm rear travel
    120mm front travel
    Tapered HT
    Hydroformed top-tube, down-tube, seat-tube
    Major Improvments in frame stiffness and rear end stiffness
    Cable routing on underside of top-tube for command post or other types of remote posts

    The bike pictured here is the expert model. There will also be a comp model with a 120mm reba maxle-light, and fox triad rear shock.

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    Hi,

    What has been done to increase the stiffness?
    Have the geometry numbers been changed at all?
    What rear shock comes on the Expert model? (Sorry, I didn't see the brain at first)
    When will it be in stores?
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    New question here. Do you know what the Head Tube Angle will be?

    Do you know what the Head Tube Angle will be?

    The current model has a 69.5° Head Tube Angle. http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...d=39189&eid=95
    I did a demo ride on it, and I felt like I had to steer too much on the uphills. (I liked everything else so much that I may get one anyway.)

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    That looks friggin great, thru axle too, finally.

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    Hope its stiffer with stiffer wheels and a higher BB would be nice.
    Looks alot better

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    Availability...

    Any idea as to potential availability date?
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    Ok, I will try to address some of the questions/points that have been made

    -The Expert model has a new brain shock that is designed by Specialized and produced by Fox.

    - The Comp model has a Fox triad shock that is tuned specifically for this bike (open setting, propedal setting, lock-out setting)

    -The mainframe stiffness has been increased thru the use of larger diameter hydroformed tubes, and a taperd HT. The rear end stiffness has been increased thru the use of a new 29er specific seatstay and yolk that is larger diameter.

    -The bike has a 69.5 degree HTA, but rides much more balanced than the previuos rocker bike. The bike doesn't have the sitting off the back feeling that was mentioned on the previous version. I know some people will get hung up on the HTA being on the slacker side, but you really need to ride the bike and get the feel of the total package. It is not sluggish by any means.

    -The bb height issue has been addressed. The new bike has 340mm bb and sits a litlte higher in the travel when cruising along. I have yet to have a pedal strike on mine.

    -I am not 100% sure on the availability date....I will try to report back with that.

    The bike is a blast to ride, and the re-design really pushes the bike further into the xc trailbike category. The descending and bump absorbing capabilites of the bike have dramatically increased.

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    Ohhh Thank God the BB is higher. My pedals look hammered from the low bb from the east coast rock gardens

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    I've 2008 models upgraded with new REBA '09 Maxle and 45mm rake.

    The HTA is absolutely PERFECT 69° with new REBA rake. GREAT for trail and AM riding on vertical and rough DH. I like it 10 times more than the steep angle of Niner (Sold because of this !).
    You see the G2 of Fisher is almost the same with 51mm rake for XC riding.

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    Please don' t steep the HTA !

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    Here's the comp:
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    Is the a different color then White for the expert. White is so played

    Did the chainstay length stay the same?
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    Makes sense to up the travel what with the new epic.

    The paint job on the comp looks sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M_S
    Makes sense to up the travel what with the new epic.

    The paint job on the comp looks sick.
    And 130mm is just begging someone to try it with a 135mm WB or the forthcoming 140mm Marz. I'm sure we'll see it done at some point

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    I like the look of it

    The HTA is a real winner for me

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    Modern forks get more offset, that's probably what put some life in the front end, using the same head tube angle.
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    thanks for posting - looks sweet!
    Curious - that seat tube angle looks seriously steep from those pics - is that b/c it is? ....or because the chainstay grew a bit making it look this way. What is the STA and Chainstay length anyway?

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    [QUOTE=sikocycles] White is so played



    HEY, bite your tongue.......... CF........

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    And 130mm is just begging someone to try it with a 135mm WB or the forthcoming 140mm Marz. I'm sure we'll see it done at some point
    I agree.......I actually really like this bike( as do I like quite a few Specy 29ers) my HUGE problem with Specialized is I just can't see paying the money thay are asking for some of these bikes...I've actually had a few bikes from Specialized over the past 22 years ( a couple of them were free ) My first REAL MTB was a 90 Hardrock...Anyway I think this bike will do really well and I completely agree that going with the 130 is a great move after introducing the Epic ( another great looking bike) but I'd take a Jet over it........CF.

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    Prices??? And is the shock offset to one side or what, having trouble seeing whats going on there. I'd like to know chainstay and wheelbase length as well, L and XL are long.

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    very nice

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    The shock is centered and in-line with the top-tube. The extension at the end of the shock wraps around both sides of the seattube.....just can't see it in the photo. Prices are not finalized yet.

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    No good White

    Quote Originally Posted by sikocycles
    Is the a different color then White for the expert. White is so played

    Did the chainstay length stay the same?
    Looks great except for the color.............

    Can't wait to test ride one!

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    We may just have a winner here. I sold my '06 Stumpy FSR Expert early this year and moved to a HT 29er. Wanted to test the 29er waters. I drank the Koolaid and loved it. Want to get a FS 29er later this fall.

    2010 is looking real good for FS 29ers. Lots of great options.

    I really like the look of the Expert model. Waiting on prices and availability now...

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    Is there a possibIlity of REAR THROUGH AXLE 12MM?

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    Chainstay length stays virtually the same even though the rear travel increases by 25mm over the 08-09 version.

    08/09: 448mm chainstay length
    2010: 449mm chainstay length

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    I actually like the looks of last years model more, maybe because I just bought an 09. IMO, you did not need to increase the rear travel at all. 105 for that bike seems more than enough.

    Maybe you need to move this bike into the enduro line up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee
    Looks great except for the color.............

    Can't wait to test ride one!
    The colors are awesome!!!! I want one.

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    Geometry chart? Will there be a xxl? If so I'll take the comp!

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    Will ther be a xxl this year? How about a geometry chart?

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    [QUOTE=CRAZY FRED]
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    White is so played



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    Gotcha

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    How about the hardtail stumpies? So far we have only seen the s-works.

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    ... and what about rear wheel travel / shock travel work ?
    The MY 2008/09 was 105/38 = 1 : 2.8 a little bit hard for trail bike.
    I used an Evolve and Titus that is 1 : 2 and work very well, nice feeling.

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    Thats true. My fsr rides much harsher the my lunchbox. It would make it a better trail bike if it was a little plusher

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    Nice looking bike. But why do they always have to post pics of "small" frame sized bikes. They look so out of proportion with the 29er wheels.
    Post up some L and XL pics of the bikes that are actually being ridden on the trails.

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    Sexiness !
    Finally, a production bike with a decent HA.

    Thanks Speshy. It's at the top of my list for next year.

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    Looks like it's gonna be a nice bike, though I've never really felt the need for another inch of travel on my 08 FSR 29er. Between Turner, Niner, and now Specialized, seems like everyone is feeling the need to enduro-ize their 4" travel models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man
    Looks like it's gonna be a nice bike, though I've never really felt the need for another inch of travel on my 08 FSR 29er. Between Turner, Niner, and now Specialized, seems like everyone is feeling the need to enduro-ize their 4" travel models.
    I'm glad I got the visually understated woods green 08 model, great mountain xc bike, like the way the it just rails narrow singletrack, wonder if the higher BB and higher COG with the shock up on the top tube will lose some of that stability?
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    With 130mm of travel on 29er it is advisable to offer 12mm maxle threaded fitment. On the front you get 20mm stiff and dandy whereas on the rear where there is a plethora of twisting forces one gest 9mm flimsy road-bike-standard instead. Is there a reasonable policy behind that? The price range strikes at mavens' category anyway, so what's the heck ? Wheel compatiblity to grab a wheel from rigid geared Karate Monkey.

    Come on Specilalized do we have to wait for 2011 version just to be able to purchase a one damn good flawless package? You get exclusively made shocks and forks so what's the trouble to design a light and stiff 50-60 gram rear Maxle-axle 12mm. I am sure that many of us will appreciate the added stiffness. We shan't express too much weightweenism I promise at 130mm AM bike category.

    If there is a reason not to go with 12mm please someone stand up and explain it to me

    Just my 0.02$. Your mileage may vary.

    ps. What about the carbon version ? there is a carbon 160mm Nomad so why not a 130mm 29er? 2009 and 10 are the years of carbon dioxide

    One more thing You need 51mm offsets on those forks for fast handling. 69hta with 44-46mm is not enough- your trail numbers will oscilate around 90mm, which is about at least 10mm too much. Not that it is bound to ride badly, but you know- noone likes trade-offs when coming off 26ers.

    Edit:
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    http://www.kogswell.com/geo.php and to get 82mm of trail you must have 55 offset and 69 HTA. and with 69.5' 53mm offset to get 81mm of trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    Sexiness !
    Finally, a production bike with a decent HA.

    Thanks Speshy. It's at the top of my list for next year.
    Squeaky we need to have a talk..... Truth be told I really really like this bike...CF..

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    got to ride this bike the other day....it rips, and its super plush and fun!
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    Compare it to the "09", give us something.

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    It has the link like the 2010 stumpy, more travel in the front and rear, its super plush. Its a fast fun trail bike. Let me get all the specs before i comment further. I am sure there are 2 models, and there might possibly be a 3rd trim spec.
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    2010 Fsr

    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    It has the link like the 2010 stumpy, more travel in the front and rear, its super plush. Its a fast fun trail bike. Let me get all the specs before i comment further. I am sure there are 2 models, and there might possibly be a 3rd trim spec.
    Did you demo the Comp or Expert?

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    fox and their goddamn 15mm axle leaves something to be desired on the bike. Give me a reba maxle with a brain in the back and I will be happy... industry politics.
    also, this is nitpicky, but why does specialized have to make all their anodize trim that copper/bronze color, i.e. on this bike notice the banjo on the elixir calipers is no longer red, but special brown; and then they go and put the red monster X.O on the back of an otherwise pleasantly neutral bike. just leave it red, after all, isn't the logo, hmm, red?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    On the front you get 20mm stiff and dandy whereas on the rear where there is a plethora of twisting forces one gest 9mm flimsy road-bike-standard instead. Is there a reasonable policy behind that?
    Newer Shimano XT/XTR rear hubs have 14mm axels. We can only hope.

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    The Brain is back.

    I wonder how smart its gotten over the years. The trouble I've had with brains in the past is the lack of quick adjustability. It just wasn't smart enough to think for itself and getting off the bike to adjust it every time I went from a long climb to a long decent and so on....was getting old.

    The newer version does seem to be a major improvement over previous models. MUCH stiffer I would say and longer travel And it is nice to have more than one choice now for us XXL riders.

    DC, As I did with my Sultan, you can always go with a Hadley rear TA hub. I think it helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    If there is a reason not to go with 12mm please someone stand up and explain it to me
    10mm bolt-on hub maybe a more versatile choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    10mm bolt-on hub maybe a more versatile choice?
    Yeah, I could choose 10mm bolt or fun bolts for the front. Too bad I chose 20mm axle and there is no going back to QR9mm, same for the rear.
    I don't want to be versatile anymore, since the 9mm axle is the thing I shan't use ever again and 130mm fs 29er, which is designed to take a good beating without an option of dropout swap, like Rip or Big Mama, is an serious oversight, especially when having 20mm on the front. Consider the latteral and twisting forces being exerted on the frame. It is not 26" wheel.
    I am hollering until I get my way.
    I am sure I am not the only one wanting this maxle, but the contemporary maxle weights 110 grams which is a bit too much. Specialized has the power of "persuasion" so lighter (60g) hollow maxle is nothing they can't cobble up, we don't need DH maxle but xc/am axle just like stupid 15mm on some new forks.

    Your mileage may vary especially if you come from rigid ss world, now ask 26er 150mm AM crowd what they believe about 9mm qr.

    Quote Originally Posted by willtsmith_nwi
    Newer Shimano XT/XTR rear hubs have 14mm axels. We can only hope.
    If only CK makes 14mm rear hubs why not

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    Looks like spec is going back to Fox for there rear shocks & brains...

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    Any idea on a time frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    Your mileage may vary especially if you come from rigid ss world, now ask 26er 150mm AM crowd what they believe about 9mm qr.
    I did switch rear hub on my Coiler to bolt-on (Hope hubs) and it is indeed a huge improvement over the bolt-on skewer I had (I do not do QR). I bet 12mm would be a further improvement - I just do not want to track down the replacement dropouts.

    But to be honest I do not feel it is too flexy in the rear (yeah, with baby wheels, but I like the 160mm on both ends) - compared to the change to 20mm in front, so it does not bother me at all.

    I guess that's one solution all manufacturers should have - replaceable dropouts, like Kona's DOPE system.

    Shopping around for a 29r FS, and my thinking so far was that I will be happy with 10 bolt-on TA in the rear used with standard drop outs - so I can also use some weenie hubs and wheels for endurance riding/racing.

    This Specialized sounds like something I should check out. But no Brain please. I hated it.

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    Very nice! I think this is the bike im saving for next.

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    ...would have liked a Speci Brain fork on that bike!
    Well... maybe next year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by de lars cuevas
    ...would have liked a Speci Brain fork on that bike!
    Well... maybe next year?
    From what i have been hearing that is a negative for now. But you will see the specialized carbon upper mated to the reba lowers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy

    But to be honest I do not feel it is too flexy in the rear (yeah, with baby wheels, but I like the 160mm on both ends) - compared to the change to 20mm in front, so it does not bother me at all.
    Yes, you ride a kiddy wheel so you can get away with flimsier grasp, 1 1/8 head tube and 32mm stanchions and things like these on even long travel 26er.

    Now take into account bigger twisting forces which are exerted by ~11% bigger wheel with thick 900 gram tyre and 530-680 gram rim.
    The unbeatable proof is that Niner redesigned the flexy Rip07/08 with complete new shroud for '09. 26er tubing and 26er standards do not work very well on 29ers. I don't feel like having to deflect a 9/10qr to justify going with 12mm. I am sure that I'll feel the difference between 9/ 10 and Maxle 12mm and if the weight would be close I'll take the 12.

    I still don't get why people use 26er standards as default on 29ers and form opinions on those. Then why not using a 26" wheel on 29er if one has already all 26er standards there. The sooner the market will comprehend thet 29er is a diferent beast, the better, otherwise we shall still be getting A-C of 560mm forks with 32mm stanchions 15mm axle (Marzocchi) and 1 1/8 (WB) steerer tubes.
    I spoke to some AM/FR riders and they expressed themeselves clearly. No sooner will they purchase a 29er than the market introduce full 1,5" 36mm stanchions and 20mm axles just like 66 possess and preferably 150-170mm of travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBC-29
    Here's a bit of info on the new SJ FSR 29:

    130mm rear travel
    120mm front travel
    Tapered HT
    Hydroformed top-tube, down-tube, seat-tube
    Major Improvments in frame stiffness and rear end stiffness
    Cable routing on underside of top-tube for command post or other types of remote posts

    The bike pictured here is the expert model. There will also be a comp model with a 120mm reba maxle-light, and fox triad rear shock.

    -Eric
    Sounds nice, but too much travel.....the 2008 version has just the right travel for a fast, light trailbike. Also wish the rear suspension was better designed so that it doesn't need the brain shock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver
    I actually like the looks of last years model more, maybe because I just bought an 09. IMO, you did not need to increase the rear travel at all. 105 for that bike seems more than enough.

    Maybe you need to move this bike into the enduro line up.
    X2!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man
    Looks like it's gonna be a nice bike, though I've never really felt the need for another inch of travel on my 08 FSR 29er. Between Turner, Niner, and now Specialized, seems like everyone is feeling the need to enduro-ize their 4" travel models.
    Yes, this should be one version of the bike with the longer travel. Build the main bike with the previous travel front and rear.

    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    From what i have been hearing that is a negative for now. But you will see the specialized carbon upper mated to the reba lowers.
    Meh, carbon fiber....who cares.....and no brain fork please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    I spoke to some AM/FR riders and they expressed themeselves clearly. No sooner will they purchase a 29er than the market introduce full 1,5" 36mm stanchions and 20mm axles just like 66 possess and preferably 150-170mm of travel.
    I hear you, but my point was that on a good hub 10mm bolt-on axle is already a large improvement over a regular skewer. Relative improvements are exactly the same for 26r and 29r.

    There is nothing kiddy about 26r wheels. I could just as easily rag on clown wheels and penny farthing nostalgia. But I do like how 29r rolls when I am in the saddle for hours.

    I do run 36mm stanchions (Wotan fork) on my AM bike. That fork is a tank - dual crown territory. Much more noticeable improvement then rear axle. And there is no real replacement for travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natedogz
    Sounds nice, but too much travel.....the 2008 version has just the right travel for a fast, light trailbike. Also wish the rear suspension was better designed so that it doesn't need the brain shock.



    X2!!!!!!!



    Yes, this should be one version of the bike with the longer travel. Build the main bike with the previous travel front and rear.



    Meh, carbon fiber....who cares.....and no brain fork please!

    although I've had great luck with the brain. The brain system has a learning curve and I doubt many ever master it. It likes to be ridden aggressively, like the Epics, although it can be dialed out. The threshold dial on the unit is quite responsive once tuned, I regularly turn it up a notch for fast ripping or down a notch for bumpy meadow work. The system is very tuneable actually, especially compared to the newer poplock shock systems. I think it works well for xc riding.

    One thing I've noticed with my 08 is that I have a hard time using all the travel within the reccomended pressure settings, which work well for me on the trail. So yeah, no need for more travel, it's a plush bike to say the least.
    I ride with the best people.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    I hear you, but my point was that on a good hub 10mm bolt-on axle is already a large improvement over a regular skewer.
    So is a nice and light 12mm which is screwed into the frame. The lack of such fitment discourages me from buying it and makes me wait for Carbon Rip9 with 130mm in the rear for 2011 (I guess full floater is not possible)

    I do run 36mm stanchions (Wotan fork) on my AM bike. That fork is a tank - dual crown territory.
    Would be happy if that Wotan were offered with full 1,5" for 29ers and nice travel matched frame WITH maxle rear?

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    Have we got more information now? What about steer tube?

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    Winner (at least by the numbers..)

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...=1#post6139077

    I didn't see this thread before I posted the above.

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    I would also think that going to a 12mm maxle would help the stiffness of the rear end, but apparantly that is not always the case. For the 2010 Enduro the originaly made TU read, but found a lighter and stiffer solution by redesigning the rear triangle.

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    Nonetheless Intense used 12x135mm or 12x142mm for Tracer 29er so why not Specialized? Rip9 has 115mm suspension and has an option of 12mm TA

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    A few questions.

    I see Spec has a "custom" Shimano crank. What's up with that? I'm assuming it's still has a "standard" BB shell. I still like my splined xt cranks. Got like 5 sets of them laying around and can't kill them.

    Next, does King make an adaptor for their 20mm front hubs to mate with the 15mm TA? I'd hate to think my 8 yr old CK hub would not be compatible - we've been through too much together.

    Also, are the rims speced on the high end model tubeless?

    I'm thinking if the answer is no to the last 2 I'd go with the comp model (I think the Reba on the comp is a 20mm TA), swap the part to the wife's bike and use my parts/wheels to build up the Spec.

    Thanks. MJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    Next, does King make an adaptor for their 20mm front hubs to mate with the 15mm TA? I'd hate to think my 8 yr old CK hub would not be compatible - we've been through too much together. MJ
    MJ, I can answer 1 of those questions. King has the adapters available for 15mm thru

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duzitall
    MJ, I can answer 1 of those questions. King has the adapters available for 15mm thru
    That's the big one!

    Thanks!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    That's the big one!

    Thanks!!!
    http://chrisking.com/hubs/hbs_15mm

    You bet second paragraph on that page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    I see Spec has a "custom" Shimano crank. What's up with that? I'm assuming it's still has a "standard" BB shell. I still like my splined xt cranks. Got like 5 sets of them laying around and can't kill them.
    Specialized custom parts can be all kinds of things.
    -Sometimes I believe it is just a custom color to match their love for brown components or their new love for red rims . I've seen some of their cranks are Ano'd to match the fork stanchions or something like that.
    -Other times they spec a lower lever component but have the manufacturer make it with a feature or two from the high level components (or vice versa), such as the Juicy 3.5s they were using for a while.

    I don't think I've heard of any changes that actually affect compatibility.

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    I think the inner ring is steel instead of aluminum on XT cranks and also the color

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    All the rims are tubeless even on the Comps (at least on the HT, I assume also on the FSR)
    BTW did you see they are using a wider rim? I'd guess about 21mm internal width.
    And a 36t cog.

    The custom crankset was simply an older version of XT at some point, no compatability issues, they are just trying to find the right balance of price and features, and unlike for you and me, Shimano will do stuff like that for SBC.

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    Just ordered mine! (expert) Can't wait to try it

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    I posted a loooong comparison of my recent back to back demo of this bike, the Turner Sultan DW and the Niner RIP9 somewhere I believe. I can't remember because there are so many threads on this topic. Or I might have typed it out and then got that "The server is too busy" message and lost it and couldn't be assed to write it all again. So here are the cliff notes.

    2010 SJ FSR Expert 29 vs Sultan DW vs RIP9 back to back demo on 8 mile loop. Mostly fast & flowy trail. No sustained climbs or steep downhills of any length. Rocks, roots and some short steep tech climbs here and there. Some tight twisty singletrack thrown in for good measure. Lots of log crossings. Nothing higher than a 2' drop. 6 ft, 210lbs, muscular, good looking, with socks stuffed down front of cycling shorts. SJ rode the best overall. Geo and Brain were the difference. Best pedaler. Sultan a close 2nd and slightly stiffer. If the SJ didn't have the Brain I would pick the Sultan. Brain is like cheating. Niner didn't come close to either. My heart says Sultan, my head says SJ.

    Traditionally, I've never liked Specialized. Their products have always been solid but the company does nothing for me. However I seem to be warming up to them of late. But WTF is it with Specialized not classing half a bike as half a bike?!?! Makes me want to sell my not-even-here pre-order. Or not.

    PS: I've been riding the new 2010 Epic 29er on and off for the past 2 weeks and it's also a nice, but very different, bike. I prefer the SJ for my intended purposes. The Epic 29er would make a great endurance racer though. If only I had the endurance.
    And though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours...I simply am not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostmaniksoul
    with socks stuffed down front of cycling shorts.
    always makes me ride better

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostmaniksoul
    I posted a loooong comparison of my recent back to back demo of this bike, the Turner Sultan DW and the Niner RIP9 somewhere I believe. I can't remember because there are so many threads on this topic. Or I might have typed it out and then got that "The server is too busy" message and lost it and couldn't be assed to write it all again. So here are the cliff notes.

    2010 SJ FSR Expert 29 vs Sultan DW vs RIP9 back to back demo on 8 mile loop. Mostly fast & flowy trail. No sustained climbs or steep downhills of any length. Rocks, roots and some short steep tech climbs here and there. Some tight twisty singletrack thrown in for good measure. Lots of log crossings. Nothing higher than a 2' drop. 6 ft, 210lbs, muscular, good looking, with socks stuffed down front of cycling shorts. SJ rode the best overall. Geo and Brain were the difference. Best pedaler. Sultan a close 2nd and slightly stiffer. If the SJ didn't have the Brain I would pick the Sultan. Brain is like cheating. Niner didn't come close to either. My heart says Sultan, my head says SJ.

    Traditionally, I've never liked Specialized. Their products have always been solid but the company does nothing for me. However I seem to be warming up to them of late. But WTF is it with Specialized not classing half a bike as half a bike?!?! Makes me want to sell my not-even-here pre-order. Or not.

    PS: I've been riding the new 2010 Epic 29er on and off for the past 2 weeks and it's also a nice, but very different, bike. I prefer the SJ for my intended purposes. The Epic 29er would make a great endurance racer though. If only I had the endurance.
    I'm interested in reading more about your time on these bikes. I searched your past posts and couldn't find the review you're referring too (searched back to the beginning of August). If you've got the time could you go into this a bit deeper? Thanks.

    Also, I've started a thread regarding the Epic 29 here. If you could post your Epic impressions I'd be very grateful.

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by goneskiian
    I searched your past posts and couldn't find the review you're referring too
    I apologize in advance for putting you through that. Trawling through that drivel must have been quite painful. After searching myself it indeed appears that I never even posted it. I fail at this internet stuff. But I still blame that "The server is too busy. Try again later." BS. I will honor your Epic thread with some of my award winning prose later tonight.
    And though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours...I simply am not there.

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    LOL! Just a quick skim wasn't too painful.

    All this talk about the FSR being so good has me trying to figure out how to add one the stable alongside the Epic Marathon 29 I've got coming too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostmaniksoul
    WTF is it with Specialized not classing half a bike as half a bike?!?!
    I don't know what that sentence means. Care to elaborate? Also, I think the old brain shocks worked pretty well. The new ones must be really good

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    Where the hell is the rear maxle? Another flexy frame? Why 29ers are still built by 26er standards? Rip9 with its 115mm of travel has an option of 12mm maxle.

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    I prefer to stuff the socks down the back of my bike shorts.

    Any impressions on the stability of the SJ vs. the Sultan? I'd love to try the Sultan with a >120 fork; that's it's only real flaw, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    Where the hell is the rear maxle? Another flexy frame? Why 29ers are still built by 26er standards? Rip9 with its 115mm of travel has an option of 12mm maxle.
    Why don't you quit your *****in' and go to work for a bike manufacturer so you can get what you like?

    Better yet, start your own bike brand.


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    Whoa! Didn't know MTBR had built in editing software! I didn't think the word I typed was a curse word. For reference the above "****" refers to a female dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    Where the hell is the rear maxle? Another flexy frame? Why 29ers are still built by 26er standards? Rip9 with its 115mm of travel has an option of 12mm maxle.
    You have posted the exact same rant one week ago in this thread.

    Apparently they do not listen.

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    Triad or Brain?

    there's a choice...how about simply an RP23 custom tuned to the chassis?

    I will NEVER buy another Specialized with a "house" shock on it. Forum's on this site are jammed full of unsatisfied people with $hit Triad's and unreliable brain shocks. Yea, I know, they put the development and manufacture back to Fox, but bad experiences are bad experiences.

    I'm going the other way with the big S. Couldn't accept the price and part spec when looking for my new roadie this spring-never even considered them when I built the new cross bike this fall. It's time to replace the 06 Stumpy FSR(07 RP23 added), and while I'm probably jumping on the 29er FS bandwagon, I seriously doubt it'll be from Specialized.

    I was looking over their site last night, and wondered why there were no prices anymore, not just on bikes, but clothing/gear...everything.

    I fully expect the hi trim level Stumpy FSR 29er to be a $6K+ bike-and I'll be lucky to get a wiff of a 10% discount from anybody on it. On the other hand, I can roll a Superfly 100 out of my local shop for probably under $4k with tax.

    Specialized had my complete loyalty for almost 10 years, it was a good ride-no pun intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    I'm glad I got the visually understated woods green 08 model, great mountain xc bike, like the way the it just rails narrow singletrack, wonder if the higher BB and higher COG with the shock up on the top tube will lose some of that stability?
    Hey, we have the same bike. I like the green paint job myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magdaddy
    there's a choice...how about simply an RP23 custom tuned to the chassis?

    I will NEVER buy another Specialized with a "house" shock on it. Forum's on this site are jammed full of unsatisfied people with $hit Triad's and unreliable brain shocks. Yea, I know, they put the development and manufacture back to Fox, but bad experiences are bad experiences.

    I'm going the other way with the big S. Couldn't accept the price and part spec when looking for my new roadie this spring-never even considered them when I built the new cross bike this fall. It's time to replace the 06 Stumpy FSR(07 RP23 added), and while I'm probably jumping on the 29er FS bandwagon, I seriously doubt it'll be from Specialized.

    I was looking over their site last night, and wondered why there were no prices anymore, not just on bikes, but clothing/gear...everything.

    I fully expect the hi trim level Stumpy FSR 29er to be a $6K+ bike-and I'll be lucky to get a wiff of a 10% discount from anybody on it. On the other hand, I can roll a Superfly 100 out of my local shop for probably under $4k with tax.

    Specialized had my complete loyalty for almost 10 years, it was a good ride-no pun intended.
    You do know the Stumpy FSR in their highest trim level is only $3300 MSRP don't you?

    Still showing prices for me...

    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...enuItemId=9248

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duzitall
    I don't know what that sentence means. Care to elaborate? Also, I think the old brain shocks worked pretty well. The new ones must be really good
    They don't class the rear triangle as part of the frame but as part of the suspension. So you break a stay and you are SOL after the first 12 months. I thought the guys at my LBS were screwing with me...but apparently not. Hopefully they will extend the rear triangle warranty.

    And yes the new Brain is a pretty awesome piece of equipment I have to agree.
    And though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours...I simply am not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee
    Looks great except for the color.............

    Can't wait to test ride (but not actually buy) one!
    Fixed it for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostmaniksoul
    They don't class the rear triangle as part of the frame but as part of the suspension. So you break a stay and you are SOL after the first 12 months. I thought the guys at my LBS were screwing with me...but apparently not. Hopefully they will extend the rear triangle warranty.
    No kidding? That's pretty lame if it's true.

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    Just saw this post in a different thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by texas
    I sent a question on the specialized website and they sent a reply with a warranty pdf that says"Our chainstays and Seatstays sold after 2008 will now include a 5 year limited warranty" under the limited lifetime warranty of bycycle frames and framesets.

    So it sounds like bikes after 2008 have a 5 year on these parts, not clear what the warranty was before 2008.
    So I'm not quite sure if the rear triangle warranty has indeed been extended to 5 years? It would appear so from the response he received, but their 2010 warranty document still has it listed as 1 year.

    Is there anyone on here from Specialized that can confirm this either way??
    And though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours...I simply am not there.

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    Rear little space

    I see and try this bike here in Italy. Really stiff frame and plus performance with the increased suspension travel.
    The things I dont like is little space on the rear stays. The 2.3 Eskar (mounted on this test bike) fit very close to the stays.
    You see they changed with Captain 2.00 for the rear and Eskar 2.3 only front on the catalogue version.
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    tire clearance pre-production vs production.

    SBC-29 tells me in a pm that the production version will have additional rear tire clearance and this is at least one of the reasons for the delay in the delivery schedule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texas
    SBC-29 tells me in a pm that the production version will have additional rear tire clearance and this is at least one of the reasons for the delay in the delivery schedule.
    This is good. IMHO, the SJ FSR deserve big tire front and rear, like the Eskar 2.3 that I can say have nothing less than a Nevegal or Rampage. I was really impressed about the grip, expecially on wet terrain. Great tires really !

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    Yes!

    Having more clearance for the rear tire is good. I have an 09 FSR Stumpy Comp 29er, I wish I had clearance for a bigger tire.

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    Any more ride impressions?

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    Finally got mine , was worth the wait.

    I picked up my FSR 29 expert after work yesterday. Took today off and rode the bike twice.

    First a few random observations.

    I was pleasantly surprised to find the wheels already have tubeless rim tape on them, so all I needed to go tubeless was pull out the tubes put in a tubeless valve and air them up. The bike came with some tubeless valve stems, but I went for the Stan's valve stems so that I could add sealant more easily. Going tubeless was a snap.

    The bike is quite a bit larger then my 05 stumpjumper fsr 120. I have an Acura RSX and in order to get the bike into the car I need to move the passenger seat forward and I also have to take the seat post off. One nice thing about the seat post is it has markings on it so that it's easy to put the post back on and get it in the same location.

    Taking the front wheel off with the QR is very easy, you just loosen the cam and turn the thing about 8 turns and pull the axle out.

    Riding impressions:

    The bike is my first 29er, so I don't have any other 29ers to compare it to. Not sure how much of it's the 29 and how much is this bike but WOW, I'm a very happy camper. The bike felt very natural and it climbs and descends much better then my old 26" bike which I was very happy with. This bike feels almost like cheating. Couldn't be any happier.
    TEX

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