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    2 Souls Cycles All Mountain Hardtail + Video

    Some of you might know my videos, bringing a knife to a gunfight (e.g.: ). After 2 or 3 years riding nothing else than the rigid single speed it was time for something more adequate. Unfortunately there is not a big market for all mountain hardtails, so I had a hard time finding a bike that fits my requirements:

    - low and slack front
    - short chainstays
    - enough space for high volume tires
    - possibility to lower the whole seatpost
    - available this year

    By chance I found a small German bike manufacturer (2 Souls Cycles), who posted this geo-chart on his blog:



    BAM that’s it! After some e-mails and telephone conversations they offered me to test their prototype.




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    I’ve the bike since Tuesday and spend every free minute on it. Rides even better, than I expected – so much fun! This bike is flickable (super short chainstays) and stable (big wheels) at the same time. I haven’t had so much airtime with any other bike on my hometrails and my bike buddies on their 26” FS have a hard time following me, even though the prototype is a Large – the Medium would fit me better. The only drawback is the reba.

    Yesterday in the evening we shot a spontaneous video with minimal effort. I hope you’ll enjoy it anyhow.

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/27601062?title=0&amp;byline=0&amp;portrait=0" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/27601062">29er - Games</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user1177917">amotion.at</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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    Just found a summary on twentynineinches.com: Euro News: New 29″er From 2Souls Cycles | Twenty Nine Inches

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    cost? i like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17 View Post
    cost? i like this
    The 900 Euro price quoted in the twentynineinches article converts to about $1280 US

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    The 900 Euro price quoted in the twentynineinches article converts to about $1280 US
    You'll need to detract German VAT from that price (which is 19%, I think) for buyers outside EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ojos Azules View Post
    You'll need to detract German VAT from that price (which is 19%, I think) for buyers outside EU.
    Good point, and that brings it closer to $1000 for the frame

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    The only thing that concerns me about this otherwise fine looking bike is the big hole in the bottom of the down tube, a big mud n' crud catcher me thinks.

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    If a bike needs to be ridden like a trials bike I don't want one!

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    Great videos, I love the look of 2 Souls frames too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbem View Post
    The only thing that concerns me about this otherwise fine looking bike is the big hole in the bottom of the down tube, a big mud n' crud catcher me thinks.
    i think you mean seat tube, but yeah... seems like it could get crap in it.

    i really like the frame... nice execution and that finish is killer. i don't really want, need, or like that geo, but the frame is still really nice.
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    Is that finish powder coat or that ceramic thing they've put on some frames?

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbem View Post
    The only thing that concerns me about this otherwise fine looking bike is the big hole in the bottom of the down tube, a big mud n' crud catcher me thinks.
    duct tape.

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    Sweet video! I like the geo and size options, but wonder why the ST is so slack? Seems like that would make steep technical climbing difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    Sweet video! I like the geo and size options, but wonder why the ST is so slack? Seems like that would make steep technical climbing difficult.
    It looks like the actual STA is listed...no doubt the effective STA would be steeper and more in line with what you would expect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbem View Post
    The only thing that concerns me about this otherwise fine looking bike is the big hole in the bottom of the down tube, a big mud n' crud catcher me thinks.
    I need that hole for the 40cm seatpost. Why should mud be a problem? It will come out , where it came in, I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    Is that finish powder coat or that ceramic thing they've put on some frames?
    Frame and cranks have a ceramic coating.
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    Great vid, great looking bike!

    Makes me wanna build a HT now.

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    this bike is gorgeous IMHO. a few noob questions though... what are the advantages of a slacker head tube angle - is it stability? also i see people asking for shorter chainstays, what are the advantages of that?

    thanks mtbr, you guys are all awesome.

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    I like it! I also like the song at the end of the video, good beat to it.

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    I'm glad that you like the video.

    Quote Originally Posted by tedlove View Post
    this bike is gorgeous IMHO. a few noob questions though... what are the advantages of a slacker head tube angle - is it stability? also i see people asking for shorter chainstays, what are the advantages of that?

    thanks mtbr, you guys are all awesome.
    In short:

    A slacker head angle provides a stable ride und helps in steep descents.

    Short Chainstays provide a playful handling and makes it easier to manual (and to bunny hop).

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    interesting look for a bike

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    Looks like the kissing cousin of a ByStickel. I, too, wonder about the decision to keep the seat tube open and exposed. But Krull knows best with that regard, as he is the guy actually riding it. Great bike. Great vid. Thx.
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    Interesting look?

    The seat tube treatment is the only thing I find a bit unusual. There have been a number of 26" bikes with roughly similar frame configurations. It is not totally different from the By:Stickel frames that I've seen posted either.

    Unless you ride in really messy conditions, the seat tube thing is probably no problem at all: from the front, the down tube deflects most of the crud and from the rear it hits the other side of the tube

    .... Is there a hole in the tube junction there, or is it closed? If it is closed, it would prevent water from seeping into BB area through the seat tube. Sometimes dirt can collect into a seat tube over time and getting it clean again would be easier when the tube is open at both ends.

    Those adjustable dropouts are pretty good BTW. I had a 2soulscycles 26" HT and the dropouts did exactly what they are supposed to do. Several European custom builders use them too.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak View Post
    Looks like the kissing cousin of a ByStickel. I, too, wonder about the decision to keep the seat tube open and exposed. But Krull knows best with that regard, as he is the guy actually riding it. Great bike. Great vid. Thx.
    Nearly every 29er (diamond frame) with short chainstays and a low standover-height will look like a By:Stickel. It's a hardtail mountainbike, so there aren't many ways to go. By the way, the chainstays and the bottom bracket section are very different from By:Stickel frames. Does anybody know if a 2,4" Ardent fits into the By:Stickel Frame? Whats the minimum chainstay lenght of a By:Stickel?

    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    Interesting look?

    The seat tube treatment is the only thing I find a bit unusual. There have been a number of 26" bikes with roughly similar frame configurations. It is not totally different from the By:Stickel frames that I've seen posted either.

    Unless you ride in really messy conditions, the seat tube thing is probably no problem at all: from the front, the down tube deflects most of the crud and from the rear it hits the other side of the tube

    .... Is there a hole in the tube junction there, or is it closed? If it is closed, it would prevent water from seeping into BB area through the seat tube. Sometimes dirt can collect into a seat tube over time and getting it clean again would be easier when the tube is open at both ends.

    Those adjustable dropouts are pretty good BTW. I had a 2soulscycles 26" HT and the dropouts did exactly what they are supposed to do. Several European custom builders use them too.
    There isn't a hole in the tube junction - it's closed. I like the dropouts too, but they need wide chainstays, what reduces the heel clearance. The frames come with dropouts for the X12 axle too, if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krull View Post
    I like the dropouts too, but they need wide chainstays, what reduces the heel clearance.
    I seem to rub my heels on chainstays on just about any MTB frame. I don't notice it while riding but see the scuffs on the stays. My 2souls was no different in that.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by krull View Post
    Does anybody know if a 2,4" Ardent fits into the By:Stickel Frame? Whats the minimum chainstay lenght of a By:Stickel?
    Yes, my friend has a 2.4 Ardent on his Stickel with the chainstays set at 16.3".

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    Quote Originally Posted by krull View Post
    Nearly every 29er (diamond frame) with short chainstays and a low standover-height will look like a By:Stickel. It's a hardtail mountainbike, so there aren't many ways to go. By the way, the chainstays and the bottom bracket section are very different from By:Stickel frames.
    I did not mean to imply that 2Souls copied By:Stickel. Not in any way. The similarity between the frames is superficial, no doubt. However, there are a number of ways to approach the short cs, low standover 29er HT. Wolfhound, Canfield, By:Stickel, and Hunter come to mind as different examples that bear little resemblance to each other.
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    For me it is a very good looking bike and the price for the frame stated in the company site is attractive...

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    The mountain was too high for a long video:

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/28721379?portrait=0" width="800" height="450" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/28721379">Rough Love</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/m0lephoto">m0le photo</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

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    Reinhard, any word on when the XXL will be available? You were going to get back to me after Eurobike...

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    Nice, and the seattube hole is ideal for the new OEM dropper seatposts with inside cabling from the bottom of the seatpost..
    Just some cable guides on the downtube as an option would be perfect.

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    Looks similar to the Kona Honzo

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbaSS View Post
    Looks similar to the Kona Honzo


    Not quite. But I understand completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Not quite. But I understand completely.
    Was referring more to the numbers than the physical appearance.

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    Just to compare geo:

    Honzo


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    Reinhard, any word on when the XXL will be available? You were going to get back to me after Eurobike...
    I would be interested in an XL shipped to Chicago, USA. Quote please.
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    Krull, got a question for you

    It's not about the bike, but your riding tehnique. What are the basic mechanic of performing that back tire lift and turn you do while rolling. I would love to start working on that. And a little technique advice would help.
    Sorry to threadjack; by the way, that is a sweet looking ride (geo, set-up, etc)
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    "Front Wheel Pivot"
    (not a skill I have...)

    <iframe width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YKoxu7GBE-E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Has anyone been in direct contact with these guys? After 3 emails this past week, I haven't received any response back. I would definitely be interested in an XL for the right price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krull View Post
    Some of you might know my videos,(e.g.: ). After 2 or 3 years riding nothing else than the rigid single speed it was time for something more adequate.

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/27601062?title=0&amp;byline=0&amp;portrait=0" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/27601062">29er - Games</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user1177917">amotion.at</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
    Damn thats a nice looking bike, I which I had that kind of money.
    krull what a great video where was that video taken at.like the background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Has anyone been in direct contact with these guys? After 3 emails this past week, I haven't received any response back. I would definitely be interested in an XL for the right price.
    For a couple of guys trying to start a bike company, they're not very responsive.

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    They were probably just getting back and unpacked from Eurobike this past week. That always seems to be a crazy time for any bike company, let alone a very small one. I'm sure they'll come through for you

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    Fantastic video. Great skills and makes you want to get out and ride.

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    They've been around for some years already.

    I got good email response when buying my 26er frame back in 2007.
    I recall they've sometimes taken a week of late summer holidays, about this time of the year.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hkp2000 View Post
    Damn thats a nice looking bike, I which I had that kind of money.
    krull what a great video where was that video taken at.like the background.
    the town you can see in the background is a suburb of vienna, austria... nice place to live

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalcolmX View Post
    the town you can see in the background is a suburb of vienna, austria... nice place to live
    Thanks for the quick reply Malcolm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    The 900 Euro price quoted in the twentynineinches article converts to about $1280 US
    Quote Originally Posted by Ojos Azules View Post
    You'll need to detract German VAT from that price (which is 19%, I think) for buyers outside EU.
    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    Good point, and that brings it closer to $1000 for the frame
    Hopefully that's the case. I can swallow the $1K price tag including shipping to the USA (still pretty expensive though for a non-custom frame IMO). With VAT, it's like $1300, the price of 2 Banshee Paradox frames lol which I'm also looking at.

    And Ingo@2Souls has gotten back to me about sizing and shipping, 45 Euro for Standard DHL and 150 Euro for DHL Express.

    Coming from a Large 19.5" Transition TransAM, it's best I be on the XL QH he said.

    Only thing left to be answered by him in my follow up email is I've noticed the standard color will be the Harley Davidson Warlock Grey Powdercoat, so is that the same as pictured above or is that ceramic coating? Also is everything included to run it either 2x10/1x10 or Singlespeed?
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    PT thanks for the vid

    I will be referring to it for a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucid View Post
    It's not about the bike, but your riding tehnique. What are the basic mechanic of performing that back tire lift and turn you do while rolling. I would love to start working on that. And a little technique advice would help.
    Sorry to threadjack; by the way, that is a sweet looking ride (geo, set-up, etc)
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    The most important thing is learning to feel comfortable at the sweet spot of the endo in steep (& loose) terrain. The rotation comes out of the hip.

    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Hopefully that's the case. I can swallow the $1K price tag including shipping to the USA (still pretty expensive though for a non-custom frame IMO). With VAT, it's like $1300, the price of 2 Banshee Paradox frames lol which I'm also looking at.

    And Ingo@2Souls has gotten back to me about sizing and shipping, 45 Euro for Standard DHL and 150 Euro for DHL Express.

    Coming from a Large 19.5" Transition TransAM, it's best I be on the XL QH he said.

    Only thing left to be answered by him in my follow up email is I've noticed the standard color will be the Harley Davidson Warlock Grey Powdercoat, so is that the same as pictured above or is that ceramic coating? Also is everything included to run it either 2x10/1x10 or Singlespeed?
    As you know for sure, a Taiwan built frame will always be cheaper than a German hand-built frame.
    The ceramic coating is pictured above. As far as I know it will cost a bit more, than the standard coating.
    I guess everything will be included to run it 2x10/1x10 or Singlespeed.

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    The slider parts are replaceable. They mention 3 different styles: Derailer, SS and gear hub. The derailer plates work just fine for SS, unless the presence of the derailer hanger offends your eye.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    So I've gotten a response back fron Ingo again,

    "These frames are production ready.
    Standart colour will be (to 95% sure) Harley Davidson Warlockgray powdercoating over Ktl/Black Ed (so yes its rustproofed inside)
    The frames in the pics are both size L and the darker one is ceramic coated in cobalt gray the fillet brazed is ceramic coated in "stainless steel" gray.
    Production frames will be TIG only.
    Concerning SSP, 1x10 or 2x10: you can choose the aluminum plates of the dropouts when ordering so with derailleurs hanger you can run the frame in all 3 options.
    Hope SSP hub 135x10 fits perfectly fine,no problem.

    The prize for export tu non EU states are 725.- Euro plus shipping for the powdercoated frame and 798.- plus shipping for ceramic coated frames.
    No deduction on preorder, sorry. As there is a high demand for the frames we suggest to preorder as the first production run is only 100 frames."
    So either $1050 for standard color shipped or $1200 for ceramic coating to the USA.

    Man, the decision is tough to make, as I can buy a Canfield Yelli Screamy and a Fox F29 Talas 120mm for about $1400 altogether.

    And there's a big chance the 2Souls will be even more once I get hit with customs fees like I did with a On-One frame from the UK.
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    weight of the frame?
    and I'd like to see a drowing - if not a picture - of an XL. Also, why longer chainstay in bigger sizes?
    I own a Yelly Screamy, but steel and singlespeed ability make this tempting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    Also, why longer chainstay in bigger sizes?
    Because it makes sense from a weight distribution perspective. I'm guessing production cost is the primary reason more mfrs don't do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Because it makes sense from a weight distribution perspective. I'm guessing production cost is the primary reason more mfrs don't do it.
    I would say the same. Tall guys will set directy over the rear hub with the super short chain stays.

    Weight is about 2,5kgs for the Large frame, as far as I remember.

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    What front derailleur can be used to maintain super short chainstays, and how short can the chainstays be set with a front derailleur? (and what rear tire?)
    May the air be filled with tires!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaster1200 View Post
    What front derailleur can be used to maintain super short chainstays, and how short can the chainstays be set with a front derailleur? (and what rear tire?)
    I haven't tried mounting a front derailleur, but the guys from 2Souls told me, that the chainsaty can be set to the shortest position, if you don't use a super fat tire. The 2,4" Ardent needs a slightly (!) longer chainstay setting.

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    So, he likes it a lot.

    Doesn't think it is an XC bike

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Hey guys, I too have been interested in this bike and have enjoyed numerous email conversations with the company. I am even thinking about purchasing one. Here is the last email thread I have had with them but need to ask about what the custom charge will be.

    Hi Mel,

    tubes are made in 853 Reynolds steel, double butted in our specification for us from Reynolds. The tubes are so manufactured, that we don´t have to work with a gusset at the front end of the down tube for example - which is a popular and simple way from our competitors; our way is more expensive for us (we had to buy special tools at reynolds, that they would build our special tubes), but the look and the strength of the down tube is much better in our way. Further, we developed together with Reynolds a special seat tube with a inner diameter of 30,9mm so we don´t have to work with a shim for the seat post. Also the 44mm headtube comes from Reynolds. It is much lighter than the one from paragon we used in the prototypes, but very strong and, yes, it is also very pretty :-) .

    Weight of the frame: I can not give you an exactly weight yet, because in the prototypes we could not use the headtube and seattube from Reynolds because these were in production. The lighter prototyp in "L" weighed 2.7kg (about 6lbs)

    So, for me, everything is clear: M-Size, Warlock Grey powder coated, no braze-on.

    So, please have a look at the first message from me: Price would be 1.135 totally (1.050 USD for the frame, 85 USD for shipping and packaging). When you want to secure a frame, we do need 200 USD via bank transfer (details you will find below). You will get an official confirmation when the money is on our bank account.

    The ceramic coat frame price is 1,160 and you can get the frame with or without the front derailluer mount. The only color currently available is the Harely Davidson "Warlock Grey". Also note that with the newer headtube set the weight will be different. They also made some changes based on the ride report from twentynineinches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stryker2 View Post
    Hey guys, I too have been interested in this bike and have enjoyed numerous email conversations with the company. I am even thinking about purchasing one. Here is the last email thread I have had with them but need to ask about what the custom charge will be.
    Hopefully they don't use UPS or FedEX. I've been charged customs from both long after I received the item when ordering from Europe, a letter comes in the mail. Never been charged customs with whatever Chain Reaction uses to ship though.
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    eurospek;

    Marc from 2Soulscycle emailed and informed me that they use DHL for shipping and that I would not have to pay any custom fees to the US just the $85.00 shipping rate.

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    You were riding a Large but would prefer a Medium.. How tall are you?

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    I am 183cm tall.

    Dispatch is starting these days/weeks:

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    Can't wait to get mine!

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    Nice looking frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stryker2 View Post
    eurospek;

    Marc from 2Soulscycle emailed and informed me that they use DHL for shipping and that I would not have to pay any custom fees to the US just the $85.00 shipping rate.
    Btw, I'm sure you misunderstood Marc. Custom fees always have to be payed by the one who imports the goods (e.g. the customer). Even if 2 Souls wanted to, they couldn't pay the custom fees for you in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krull View Post
    Btw, I'm sure you misunderstood Marc. Custom fees always have to be payed by the one who imports the goods (e.g. the customer). Even if 2 Souls wanted to, they couldn't pay the custom fees for you in advance.
    Not entirely true.

    I ordered 2 frames before from the UK (one from CRC, the other from On-One) and one wheelset from CRC as well.

    And I only paid customs on frame from On-One as they used their non-regular shipper (FedEX or UPS, I can't remember) and I received a letter a couple days afterwards to pay the custom fees. The other 2 orders from CRC no customs were ever paid.

    It's all a matter of what company is doing the shipping I believe.

    But Marc has been so helpful and insightful in the emails back and forth, hopefully they get the problems resolved spec'ing the Reynolds stuff for the downtube for the XXL size as I'm ready to buy. Marc has been insisting on going with the XL (20" seattube) but coming off a Transition TransAM 19.5, I find it a bit small, need to run a 70/90 stem on it and high seatpost. Plus the QH is meant for a short stem (plan on a 50mm) and would like to gain some cockpit room, as the reach and ETT is almost the same for the XL QH as it is for my TransAM. Being 193cm tall and using this primarily as a trail-bike (not intended for Alp-style riding), I think the XXL will be just what I'm looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Not entirely true.

    I ordered 2 frames before from the UK (one from CRC, the other from On-One) and one wheelset from CRC as well.

    And I only paid customs on frame from On-One as they used their non-regular shipper (FedEX or UPS, I can't remember) and I received a letter a couple days afterwards to pay the custom fees. The other 2 orders from CRC no customs were ever paid.

    It's all a matter of what company is doing the shipping I believe.

    But Marc has been so helpful and insightful in the emails back and forth, hopefully they get the problems resolved spec'ing the Reynolds stuff for the downtube for the XXL size as I'm ready to buy. Marc has been insisting on going with the XL (20" seattube) but coming off a Transition TransAM 19.5, I find it a bit small, need to run a 70/90 stem on it and high seatpost. Plus the QH is meant for a short stem (plan on a 50mm) and would like to gain some cockpit room, as the reach and ETT is almost the same for the XL QH as it is for my TransAM. Being 193cm tall and using this primarily as a trail-bike (not intended for Alp-style riding), I think the XXL will be just what I'm looking for.
    Puh hard to believe that CRC paid the custom fees for you - but ok, they are really big! I've imported goods from the US to Europe several times and unfortunately it was never an option that the seller pays the fees.

    You really need the XXL? This thing is huge! I'm 183cm an ordered the M. A friend of mine who is about 193cm tall and wants to use the bike for allround riding ordered the XL. Have you compared the horizontal top tube size to your Transition? The 2 Souls has a rather short seat tube compared to the top tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    And I only paid customs on frame from On-One as they used their non-regular shipper (FedEX or UPS, I can't remember) and I received a letter a couple days afterwards to pay the custom fees. The other 2 orders from CRC no customs were ever paid.

    It's all a matter of what company is doing the shipping I believe.
    That was just luck with the CRC order. I'll admit that different shipping companies might have different odds of getting things caught in US Customs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krull View Post
    You really need the XXL? This thing is huge! I'm 183cm an ordered the M. A friend of mine who is about 193cm tall and wants to use the bike for allround riding ordered the XL. Have you compared the horizontal top tube size to your Transition? The 2 Souls has a rather short seat tube compared to the top tube.
    You don't know how many times I've been over this in my head and even returned two other 29er frames that I bought due to their only 20" ST (Canfield Yelli Screamy and Kona Honzo).

    My current Transition TransAM is a size large, 19.5" ST, 24.25" ETT, 423mm reach, and 44.1" wheelbase. The XL QH has a 20" ST, 25.1" ETT, 427mm reach and 44.1" wheelbase. So basically it's the same fitment and size as my TransAM. which at first felt awesome with a 50mm stem for short rides, but all-day rides feel cramp on it and now I'm using a 90mm stem, much more than I would prefer, but I need to gain some cockpit room. Plus my Thomson 410 post is pretty much at full extension.

    I want run the QH with a 50mm stem as it was designed around it, and I don't want to be maxing out the seatpost on another frame like the TransAM, just way too much. And the XXL QH looks more compact than the Kona Honzo 20" Long frame I had so I should be good there. The XXL QH has the same ETT, but shorter reach and wheelbase.

    Question now is how long will I have to wait to order a XXL QH Ceramic coated frame.

    And looking at other 29ers like the Niner RIP/WFO, Intense Tracer 29, and Banshee Prime and their sizing guides, the XXL QH has a slightly roomier cockpit but much shorter wheelbase, so it's not like it's that big of frame.

    Here's a geometry chart to show you that I've been over and over this for a couple weeks now.

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    Wow, goog job. Then go for the XXL. I for myself like short frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Here's a geometry chart to show you that I've been over and over this for a couple weeks now. [/IMG]

    This is nice, thanks! I'm really curious about the Honzo with its 414mm chainstay for all frame sizes. Much shorter than those of the other XL/XXL frames. Would be interesting to see if this works for very tall riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurgel View Post
    This is nice, thanks! I'm really curious about the Honzo with its 414mm chainstay for all frame sizes. Much shorter than those of the other XL/XXL frames. Would be interesting to see if this works for very tall riders.
    After talking about this with Brant Richards from On-One and Marc from 2Souls, the short CS the bigger sizes like on the Honzo is only good for tall riders, if you like to wheelie a lot. Notice how the chainstay increases on each size respectively on the QH. That frame is very dialed for each size. Took a lot of thought and design into it.

    "Every frame size will give the same smile to the rider, because every size needs a different CS length (and some details more); when the rider is taller, he is sitting in another position to the rear axle, without changing the chainstay length, you won´t have the same ride with the XL QH than with the smaller frame sizes, because the whole geometry is changing."

    And noticed that the Kona Honzo also has the same headtube length for all its sizes which also isn't too good.
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    Received my 2 Souls yesterday!

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    Fantastic ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by krull View Post
    Received my 2 Souls yesterday!

    Fantastic ride!
    Those things look killer!

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    I've tried visiting 2 souls cycles web page 3 times this past week. Been down for maint. all three times. Can anyone here confirm the SJ's ETT is 600mm on a medium. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo Troll View Post
    I've tried visiting 2 souls cycles web page 3 times this past week. Been down for maint. all three times. Can anyone here confirm the SJ's ETT is 600mm on a medium. Thanks
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    Thanks alot Euro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krull View Post
    I am 183cm tall.

    Dispatch is starting these days/weeks:

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    Small Frame:




    Large Frame with Lefty:


    Can't wait to get mine!
    I'm digging the color scheme. Similar to mine.
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    Man these bikes look nice. First time hearing of 2SoulsCycles though.

    Now I'm not sure what I should do. Go for one of these or a Marin Pine Mountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeDelmo View Post
    Man these bikes look nice. First time hearing of 2SoulsCycles though.

    Now I'm not sure what I should do. Go for one of these or a Marin Pine Mountain.
    Great thread resurrection, lol. I forgot about the Quarter Horse.

    2Souls is a small frame builder in Germany, IIRC. Back when the 29 AMHT started I think the Quarter Horse was around $1200 frame only to import. I am willing to bet a complete is much more expensive than a Pine Mountain unless you source deals and build it yourself. The two bikes have different intended purposes.

    Two more accessible options are the Canfield Nimble 9 and Kona Honzo Steel. Both are available as frame only and people have built them for under $2500. I thinkt he N9 can be purchased as a factory build. Good luck, I love my Honzo.

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