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    2 Souls Cycles All Mountain Hardtail + Video

    Some of you might know my videos, bringing a knife to a gunfight (e.g.: ). After 2 or 3 years riding nothing else than the rigid single speed it was time for something more adequate. Unfortunately there is not a big market for all mountain hardtails, so I had a hard time finding a bike that fits my requirements:

    - low and slack front
    - short chainstays
    - enough space for high volume tires
    - possibility to lower the whole seatpost
    - available this year

    By chance I found a small German bike manufacturer (2 Souls Cycles), who posted this geo-chart on his blog:



    BAM thatís it! After some e-mails and telephone conversations they offered me to test their prototype.




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    Iíve the bike since Tuesday and spend every free minute on it. Rides even better, than I expected Ė so much fun! This bike is flickable (super short chainstays) and stable (big wheels) at the same time. I havenít had so much airtime with any other bike on my hometrails and my bike buddies on their 26Ē FS have a hard time following me, even though the prototype is a Large Ė the Medium would fit me better. The only drawback is the reba.

    Yesterday in the evening we shot a spontaneous video with minimal effort. I hope youíll enjoy it anyhow.

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/27601062?title=0&amp;byline=0&amp;portrait=0" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/27601062">29er - Games</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user1177917">amotion.at</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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    Just found a summary on twentynineinches.com: Euro News: New 29″er From 2Souls Cycles | Twenty Nine Inches

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    cost? i like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowme17 View Post
    cost? i like this
    The 900 Euro price quoted in the twentynineinches article converts to about $1280 US

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    The 900 Euro price quoted in the twentynineinches article converts to about $1280 US
    You'll need to detract German VAT from that price (which is 19%, I think) for buyers outside EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ojos Azules View Post
    You'll need to detract German VAT from that price (which is 19%, I think) for buyers outside EU.
    Good point, and that brings it closer to $1000 for the frame

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    The only thing that concerns me about this otherwise fine looking bike is the big hole in the bottom of the down tube, a big mud n' crud catcher me thinks.

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    If a bike needs to be ridden like a trials bike I don't want one!

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    Great videos, I love the look of 2 Souls frames too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbem View Post
    The only thing that concerns me about this otherwise fine looking bike is the big hole in the bottom of the down tube, a big mud n' crud catcher me thinks.
    i think you mean seat tube, but yeah... seems like it could get crap in it.

    i really like the frame... nice execution and that finish is killer. i don't really want, need, or like that geo, but the frame is still really nice.
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    Is that finish powder coat or that ceramic thing they've put on some frames?

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbem View Post
    The only thing that concerns me about this otherwise fine looking bike is the big hole in the bottom of the down tube, a big mud n' crud catcher me thinks.
    duct tape.

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    Sweet video! I like the geo and size options, but wonder why the ST is so slack? Seems like that would make steep technical climbing difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    Sweet video! I like the geo and size options, but wonder why the ST is so slack? Seems like that would make steep technical climbing difficult.
    It looks like the actual STA is listed...no doubt the effective STA would be steeper and more in line with what you would expect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbem View Post
    The only thing that concerns me about this otherwise fine looking bike is the big hole in the bottom of the down tube, a big mud n' crud catcher me thinks.
    I need that hole for the 40cm seatpost. Why should mud be a problem? It will come out , where it came in, I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    Is that finish powder coat or that ceramic thing they've put on some frames?
    Frame and cranks have a ceramic coating.
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    Great vid, great looking bike!

    Makes me wanna build a HT now.

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    this bike is gorgeous IMHO. a few noob questions though... what are the advantages of a slacker head tube angle - is it stability? also i see people asking for shorter chainstays, what are the advantages of that?

    thanks mtbr, you guys are all awesome.

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    I like it! I also like the song at the end of the video, good beat to it.

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    I'm glad that you like the video.

    Quote Originally Posted by tedlove View Post
    this bike is gorgeous IMHO. a few noob questions though... what are the advantages of a slacker head tube angle - is it stability? also i see people asking for shorter chainstays, what are the advantages of that?

    thanks mtbr, you guys are all awesome.
    In short:

    A slacker head angle provides a stable ride und helps in steep descents.

    Short Chainstays provide a playful handling and makes it easier to manual (and to bunny hop).

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    interesting look for a bike

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    Looks like the kissing cousin of a ByStickel. I, too, wonder about the decision to keep the seat tube open and exposed. But Krull knows best with that regard, as he is the guy actually riding it. Great bike. Great vid. Thx.
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    Interesting look?

    The seat tube treatment is the only thing I find a bit unusual. There have been a number of 26" bikes with roughly similar frame configurations. It is not totally different from the By:Stickel frames that I've seen posted either.

    Unless you ride in really messy conditions, the seat tube thing is probably no problem at all: from the front, the down tube deflects most of the crud and from the rear it hits the other side of the tube

    .... Is there a hole in the tube junction there, or is it closed? If it is closed, it would prevent water from seeping into BB area through the seat tube. Sometimes dirt can collect into a seat tube over time and getting it clean again would be easier when the tube is open at both ends.

    Those adjustable dropouts are pretty good BTW. I had a 2soulscycles 26" HT and the dropouts did exactly what they are supposed to do. Several European custom builders use them too.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak View Post
    Looks like the kissing cousin of a ByStickel. I, too, wonder about the decision to keep the seat tube open and exposed. But Krull knows best with that regard, as he is the guy actually riding it. Great bike. Great vid. Thx.
    Nearly every 29er (diamond frame) with short chainstays and a low standover-height will look like a By:Stickel. It's a hardtail mountainbike, so there aren't many ways to go. By the way, the chainstays and the bottom bracket section are very different from By:Stickel frames. Does anybody know if a 2,4" Ardent fits into the By:Stickel Frame? Whats the minimum chainstay lenght of a By:Stickel?

    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    Interesting look?

    The seat tube treatment is the only thing I find a bit unusual. There have been a number of 26" bikes with roughly similar frame configurations. It is not totally different from the By:Stickel frames that I've seen posted either.

    Unless you ride in really messy conditions, the seat tube thing is probably no problem at all: from the front, the down tube deflects most of the crud and from the rear it hits the other side of the tube

    .... Is there a hole in the tube junction there, or is it closed? If it is closed, it would prevent water from seeping into BB area through the seat tube. Sometimes dirt can collect into a seat tube over time and getting it clean again would be easier when the tube is open at both ends.

    Those adjustable dropouts are pretty good BTW. I had a 2soulscycles 26" HT and the dropouts did exactly what they are supposed to do. Several European custom builders use them too.
    There isn't a hole in the tube junction - it's closed. I like the dropouts too, but they need wide chainstays, what reduces the heel clearance. The frames come with dropouts for the X12 axle too, if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krull View Post
    I like the dropouts too, but they need wide chainstays, what reduces the heel clearance.
    I seem to rub my heels on chainstays on just about any MTB frame. I don't notice it while riding but see the scuffs on the stays. My 2souls was no different in that.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by krull View Post
    Does anybody know if a 2,4" Ardent fits into the By:Stickel Frame? Whats the minimum chainstay lenght of a By:Stickel?
    Yes, my friend has a 2.4 Ardent on his Stickel with the chainstays set at 16.3".

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    Quote Originally Posted by krull View Post
    Nearly every 29er (diamond frame) with short chainstays and a low standover-height will look like a By:Stickel. It's a hardtail mountainbike, so there aren't many ways to go. By the way, the chainstays and the bottom bracket section are very different from By:Stickel frames.
    I did not mean to imply that 2Souls copied By:Stickel. Not in any way. The similarity between the frames is superficial, no doubt. However, there are a number of ways to approach the short cs, low standover 29er HT. Wolfhound, Canfield, By:Stickel, and Hunter come to mind as different examples that bear little resemblance to each other.
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    For me it is a very good looking bike and the price for the frame stated in the company site is attractive...

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    The mountain was too high for a long video:

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/28721379?portrait=0" width="800" height="450" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/28721379">Rough Love</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/m0lephoto">m0le photo</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

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    Reinhard, any word on when the XXL will be available? You were going to get back to me after Eurobike...

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    Nice, and the seattube hole is ideal for the new OEM dropper seatposts with inside cabling from the bottom of the seatpost..
    Just some cable guides on the downtube as an option would be perfect.

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    Looks similar to the Kona Honzo

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbaSS View Post
    Looks similar to the Kona Honzo


    Not quite. But I understand completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Not quite. But I understand completely.
    Was referring more to the numbers than the physical appearance.

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    Just to compare geo:

    Honzo


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    Reinhard, any word on when the XXL will be available? You were going to get back to me after Eurobike...
    I would be interested in an XL shipped to Chicago, USA. Quote please.
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    Krull, got a question for you

    It's not about the bike, but your riding tehnique. What are the basic mechanic of performing that back tire lift and turn you do while rolling. I would love to start working on that. And a little technique advice would help.
    Sorry to threadjack; by the way, that is a sweet looking ride (geo, set-up, etc)
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    "Front Wheel Pivot"
    (not a skill I have...)

    <iframe width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YKoxu7GBE-E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Has anyone been in direct contact with these guys? After 3 emails this past week, I haven't received any response back. I would definitely be interested in an XL for the right price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krull View Post
    Some of you might know my videos,(e.g.: ). After 2 or 3 years riding nothing else than the rigid single speed it was time for something more adequate.

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/27601062?title=0&amp;byline=0&amp;portrait=0" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/27601062">29er - Games</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user1177917">amotion.at</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
    Damn thats a nice looking bike, I which I had that kind of money.
    krull what a great video where was that video taken at.like the background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Has anyone been in direct contact with these guys? After 3 emails this past week, I haven't received any response back. I would definitely be interested in an XL for the right price.
    For a couple of guys trying to start a bike company, they're not very responsive.

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    They were probably just getting back and unpacked from Eurobike this past week. That always seems to be a crazy time for any bike company, let alone a very small one. I'm sure they'll come through for you

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    Fantastic video. Great skills and makes you want to get out and ride.

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    They've been around for some years already.

    I got good email response when buying my 26er frame back in 2007.
    I recall they've sometimes taken a week of late summer holidays, about this time of the year.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hkp2000 View Post
    Damn thats a nice looking bike, I which I had that kind of money.
    krull what a great video where was that video taken at.like the background.
    the town you can see in the background is a suburb of vienna, austria... nice place to live

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalcolmX View Post
    the town you can see in the background is a suburb of vienna, austria... nice place to live
    Thanks for the quick reply Malcolm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    The 900 Euro price quoted in the twentynineinches article converts to about $1280 US
    Quote Originally Posted by Ojos Azules View Post
    You'll need to detract German VAT from that price (which is 19%, I think) for buyers outside EU.
    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    Good point, and that brings it closer to $1000 for the frame
    Hopefully that's the case. I can swallow the $1K price tag including shipping to the USA (still pretty expensive though for a non-custom frame IMO). With VAT, it's like $1300, the price of 2 Banshee Paradox frames lol which I'm also looking at.

    And Ingo@2Souls has gotten back to me about sizing and shipping, 45 Euro for Standard DHL and 150 Euro for DHL Express.

    Coming from a Large 19.5" Transition TransAM, it's best I be on the XL QH he said.

    Only thing left to be answered by him in my follow up email is I've noticed the standard color will be the Harley Davidson Warlock Grey Powdercoat, so is that the same as pictured above or is that ceramic coating? Also is everything included to run it either 2x10/1x10 or Singlespeed?
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    PT thanks for the vid

    I will be referring to it for a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucid View Post
    It's not about the bike, but your riding tehnique. What are the basic mechanic of performing that back tire lift and turn you do while rolling. I would love to start working on that. And a little technique advice would help.
    Sorry to threadjack; by the way, that is a sweet looking ride (geo, set-up, etc)
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    The most important thing is learning to feel comfortable at the sweet spot of the endo in steep (& loose) terrain. The rotation comes out of the hip.

    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Hopefully that's the case. I can swallow the $1K price tag including shipping to the USA (still pretty expensive though for a non-custom frame IMO). With VAT, it's like $1300, the price of 2 Banshee Paradox frames lol which I'm also looking at.

    And Ingo@2Souls has gotten back to me about sizing and shipping, 45 Euro for Standard DHL and 150 Euro for DHL Express.

    Coming from a Large 19.5" Transition TransAM, it's best I be on the XL QH he said.

    Only thing left to be answered by him in my follow up email is I've noticed the standard color will be the Harley Davidson Warlock Grey Powdercoat, so is that the same as pictured above or is that ceramic coating? Also is everything included to run it either 2x10/1x10 or Singlespeed?
    As you know for sure, a Taiwan built frame will always be cheaper than a German hand-built frame.
    The ceramic coating is pictured above. As far as I know it will cost a bit more, than the standard coating.
    I guess everything will be included to run it 2x10/1x10 or Singlespeed.

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    The slider parts are replaceable. They mention 3 different styles: Derailer, SS and gear hub. The derailer plates work just fine for SS, unless the presence of the derailer hanger offends your eye.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    So I've gotten a response back fron Ingo again,

    "These frames are production ready.
    Standart colour will be (to 95% sure) Harley Davidson Warlockgray powdercoating over Ktl/Black Ed (so yes its rustproofed inside)
    The frames in the pics are both size L and the darker one is ceramic coated in cobalt gray the fillet brazed is ceramic coated in "stainless steel" gray.
    Production frames will be TIG only.
    Concerning SSP, 1x10 or 2x10: you can choose the aluminum plates of the dropouts when ordering so with derailleurs hanger you can run the frame in all 3 options.
    Hope SSP hub 135x10 fits perfectly fine,no problem.

    The prize for export tu non EU states are 725.- Euro plus shipping for the powdercoated frame and 798.- plus shipping for ceramic coated frames.
    No deduction on preorder, sorry. As there is a high demand for the frames we suggest to preorder as the first production run is only 100 frames."
    So either $1050 for standard color shipped or $1200 for ceramic coating to the USA.

    Man, the decision is tough to make, as I can buy a Canfield Yelli Screamy and a Fox F29 Talas 120mm for about $1400 altogether.

    And there's a big chance the 2Souls will be even more once I get hit with customs fees like I did with a On-One frame from the UK.
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