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    '11 Lynskey 29er Prototype

    Dear Santa, I think I want one of these for Christmas.


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    Ask for some lube and ear plugs ..too

    With that aluminum insert in the headtube, I can only imagine how loud the creak will become in that area once you start riding that frame.
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    creak? what creak?

    Dude, I'm still trying to figure out how to get it down the chimney!

    Besides, I've already put my letter in the mail to Santa. It's on.

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    Did you ever have a problem with headset cups creaking ?
    Not much different.

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    no..

    No... but my headset cups have always been in direct contact with the thick material of the head tube.....

    Now you have a shim sandwiched between the headset cups and the headtube. A recipe for Creak..CREAK
    You cannot go against nature, because when you do, its part of nature too.

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    if they're fit nice and tight an put in with grease or lock tite it shouldn't be a problem. All the headset creaks i've had where from the top race /steerer tube fit.

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    tell santa to wipe his grubby finger prints off it before he brings it

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    Looks like the Ti El Mariachi with a bigger head tube, and cheaper!

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    Be sure to check the geometry for the prototype, it's not the same as the production model, and it may not work for you. I saw that deal and was really excited, until I saw the geometry.

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    me want one

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    I'm guessing the headtube will accept a 1.5 HS now???

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    What's the length of time on the warranty on those frames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    What's the length of time on the warranty on those frames?
    pasted from Lynskeys website

    All Lynskey Performance Designs bicycle frames carry an unlimited lifetime warranty against manufacturing defects, construction flaws, and craftsmanship to the original owner. We reserve the option to repair or replace your frame, depending upon the identified defect and the repairs necessary.

    We also offer the only performance guarantee in the industry. Simply put, if you have ordered a custom frame and it does not perform per your ordered specification, then we will make it right. If for any reason you are dissatisfied with anything you have purchased from us, we want to hear about it. Tell us what the problem is and how we can fix it. That is our policy, period.

    If you have crashed your bike or ran it into the parking deck while it was on your car, then it is not covered under our warranty program, but we can help you fix it. Give us the details and we can determine the best solution for repair

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge
    Be sure to check the geometry for the prototype, it's not the same as the production model, and it may not work for you. I saw that deal and was really excited, until I saw the geometry.
    Here's what I found: compared to the equivalent specs on their '10 models, the head tube & seat tube angles are the exact same and the effective top tube length is also the exact same. Other than the head tube being 0.75" longer (I'm assuming to accommodate the CC 110 ZS headset and aforementioned evil aluminum sleeve?) It looks like the most significant difference is the seat tube length is 1.5" longer (20" vs. 18.5") and the chain stays are 0.4" longer (17.5" vs. 17.1") on the prototype. Their are a few very minor differences - like less than a quarter inch - in the bottom bracket drop and the stand-over height.

    But enough of that. For fourteen benjamins, I just wanna smoke-test this sexy beast because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and doggone it... people like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillabong
    Here's what I found: compared to the equivalent specs on their '10 models, the head tube & seat tube angles are the exact same and the effective top tube length is also the exact same. Other than the head tube being 0.75" longer (I'm assuming to accommodate the CC 110 ZS headset and aforementioned evil aluminum sleeve?) It looks like the most significant difference is the seat tube length is 1.5" longer (20" vs. 18.5") and the chain stays are 0.4" longer (17.5" vs. 17.1") on the prototype. Their are a few very minor differences - like less than a quarter inch - in the bottom bracket drop and the stand-over height.

    But enough of that. For fourteen benjamins, I just wanna smoke-test this sexy beast because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and doggone it... people like me.
    I have a '10 Ridgeline and love it!! Rode steel bike before forever,I am glad I waited and bought the 29er in ti

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    Great looking frame. So much nicer looking than their gimmicky twisted tubes, sliders and the new chain stay yoke on the Pro.

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    I did some research on the Lynskey site by searching for "110ZS," which is the 44mm Cane Creek headset that comes with this frame and it's over-sized head tube. It looks like several of Lynskey's new 2011 road race, cyclocross and touring frames are adopting this headset configuration.

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    Thats a really nice deal but it would be nice to have a no fork option for a few hundred less. I guess they have an overstock of those repainted exotic forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillabong
    Here's what I found: compared to the equivalent specs on their '10 models, the head tube & seat tube angles are the exact same and the effective top tube length is also the exact same. Other than the head tube being 0.75" longer (I'm assuming to accommodate the CC 110 ZS headset and aforementioned evil aluminum sleeve?) It looks like the most significant difference is the seat tube length is 1.5" longer (20" vs. 18.5") and the chain stays are 0.4" longer (17.5" vs. 17.1") on the prototype. Their are a few very minor differences - like less than a quarter inch - in the bottom bracket drop and the stand-over height.

    But enough of that. For fourteen benjamins, I just wanna smoke-test this sexy beast because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and doggone it... people like me.
    FWIW, I didn't like the geometry of the '10, so matching it doesn't excite me. I like the '11 even less. The angles are fine, the TT length is fine, but I'd want at least 6, preferably 6.5 cm worth of BB drop, they've got less than 5.75cm for the prototype and even less for the production '11. For the life of me I don't know why they build their bikes w/ such high bottom brackets. For me, it's a deal breaker.

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    Eh, the geo is fine with me. It's close enough to my stumpy in the areas I consider critical. I'm most looking forward to the chainstays being slightly (0.375") longer than I'm currently used to. I'm doing longer XC events now and welcome the added comfort.
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    has anybody been able to get the bb height? ive called but am told all the info is on the webpage.bb drop dosnt tell me much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scsamoyan
    has anybody been able to get the bb height? ive called but am told all the info is on the webpage.bb drop dosnt tell me much.
    I thought I read on their site somewhere that the normal BB hieght is 12.5"? My current bike is 12", and I do have to watch for pedal strike. A 2" BB drop as mentioned on their site is 50.8mm. Now, if as I believe their figures are for a 100mm fork, if you use an 80mm, the BB will be lower, I'd guess at roughly a hair over 12", like mine (I run 80mm). I wouldn't consider that all that high myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scsamoyan
    has anybody been able to get the bb height? ive called but am told all the info is on the webpage.bb drop dosnt tell me much.

    huh? BB height is dependent on tires, and unless they tell you what size tires it is based on, BB height tells you nothing. However, BB drop is not dependent on tire size and therefore should tell you everything. It will give you a good idea on BB height AND gives you a much better idea of how the bike will handle.

    I realize this is a personal choice, so I'm not saying anyone else should or should not like a particular BB drop. But, for me, I'd take pedal strikes all day to have a 6.5 - 7 cm BB drop rather than ride a bike w/ a 5 - 5.5 cm BB drop. The bike w/ the lesser BB drop 'should' be more 'flickable', but I don't do 'flickable'. I'd much prefer a more stable bike, which the greater BB drop 'should' provide. I say 'should', because of course there are many things that go into how the bike handles.

    Regardless, I made the original comment re: geometry, not because I think it's wrong, just that the geometry for the prototype isn't the same as the production model. If you don't scroll down the webpage far enough, you may not be aware. Even though the price on the bike is a honkin' deal, it's no deal at all if you get it built up and find that you don't like it.

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    agreed but the geo isnt all that different.but you dont thinck bb drop on the prototype should be a factor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scsamoyan
    agreed but the geo isnt all that different.but you dont thinck bb drop on the prototype should be a factor?
    The BB drop on the prototype is lower than the BB drop on the production model, but for MY money, they're both too high.

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    The bottom bracket drop on my Stumpy is exactly 2.25", the same as the Lynskey proto. All of the other dims are so close that they're essentially irrelevant to me in this case. And since my *only* complaint about my Stumpy is that it's slightly too harsh of a ride in the rear triangle, the additional 3/8" on the chain stays will be tested enthusiastically just as soon as my beautiful wife realizes what she just bought me for Christmas. (so ssshhh... i'm gonna surprise her)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge
    The BB drop on the prototype is lower than the BB drop on the production model
    Keep in mind that the prototype has fixed dropouts, and the production has sliders. BB Drop will be somewhat variable on the production model... probably within that extra 1/4 inch.

    Given a ~12.5" BB height, minus ~7" of crank arm, I don't think that 5-6" of clearance is overdoing it by any means... but to each his own.

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    I'd been looking at this frame along with a few others long before this thread popped up. I bought myself one

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement
    I'd been looking at this frame along with a few others long before this thread popped up. I bought myself one
    You and a few other people apparently. SOLD OUT.

    Mine shows up tomorrow.... still need a few parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkboy
    Keep in mind that the prototype has fixed dropouts, and the production has sliders. BB Drop will be somewhat variable on the production model... probably within that extra 1/4 inch.

    Given a ~12.5" BB height, minus ~7" of crank arm, I don't think that 5-6" of clearance is overdoing it by any means... but to each his own.
    It's not about the clearance, it's about the relationship of the bb to the axles, and how affects handling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillabong
    The bottom bracket drop on my Stumpy is exactly 2.25", the same as the Lynskey proto. All of the other dims are so close that they're essentially irrelevant to me in this case. And since my *only* complaint about my Stumpy is that it's slightly too harsh of a ride in the rear triangle, the additional 3/8" on the chain stays will be tested enthusiastically just as soon as my beautiful wife realizes what she just bought me for Christmas. (so ssshhh... i'm gonna surprise her)
    Did you measure the BB drop, or are you extrapolating from your BB height? I'm only asking 'cause the Specialized 29er HTs have a fairly large BB drop, much greater than the 2.25"/5.717cm listed for the Lynskey prototype. I had a Specialized Expert 29er and it had more like 6.5cm of BB drop. And, yes, I had to deal w/ pedal strikes, but it was very stable at high speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkboy
    You and a few other people apparently. SOLD OUT.

    Mine shows up tomorrow.... still need a few parts.
    Mark,
    I've been riding a 2010 this summer as a SS and converted to 1X10 for winter riding.
    I'm quite happy with the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge
    Did you measure the BB drop, or are you extrapolating from your BB height? I'm only asking 'cause the Specialized 29er HTs have a fairly large BB drop, much greater than the 2.25"/5.717cm listed for the Lynskey prototype. I had a Specialized Expert 29er and it had more like 6.5cm of BB drop. And, yes, I had to deal w/ pedal strikes, but it was very stable at high speed.
    Yup, I measured it. Twice. Once earlier today when I was curious and again, just a moment ago, to verify. It measures *exactly* 2.3125" or 5.874cm. I was more careful this second time and found that it was 1/6" longer than I had originally measured earlier today, pre-ride, when I was in a hurry and kinda eyeballed it.

    And yes, I measured it by emperically determining the distance that the bottom bracket centerline is below the centerline between both wheel axles. Put it up on my stand, flipped it upside down and everything.

    But enough of those janky numbers. Santa's coming early this year and I think I have everything ready for my build except for a bottom pull front derailleur and maybe the right diameter seat post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbrossman
    Mark,
    I've been riding a 2010 this summer as a SS and converted to 1X10 for winter riding.
    I'm quite happy with the frame.
    Good to hear. I haven't really decided where this is going to fit into my lineup. It's going to start out 1x9 rigid - mainly because I have most of the parts I need already...

    Eff.... is winter over yet?

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    Large frame weighs 1800g. But uses a 27.2 seatpost, so the 31.6 Lynskey post which is about to be delivered won't fit, which is completely my fault

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement
    Large frame weighs 1800g. But uses a 27.2 seatpost, so the 31.6 Lynskey post which is about to be delivered won't fit
    Yep - about 1700g for the Medium. Now to wait for the "included" headset to show up...

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    Santa arrived in his big brown truck yesterday! Here's a pic of the frame - in a Large - and a shot down the creaky head tube.




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    looks pretty good. post a few finished pics once you talk santa into building it up, and let us know if that headtube sleeve works with the headset.

    no fork? thought it came with one...
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    I'm still accumulating parts for mine. It comes with the white Lynskey fork, phillabong already has his up for sale as he's not using it. I think mine will probably be too as I've just got home to a new tapered reba for it

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    I have to pick up the last remaining item tomorrow - X0 rear derailleur - and I'll be in business. I've already started breaking down my Stumpy for some of the components that I'm swapping over. I'll think I'll just part out the frame and other stuff I won't need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge
    It's not about the clearance, it's about the relationship of the bb to the axles, and how affects handling.
    Not that I'm arguing your point about the bb position relative to the axles affecting bike handling, but to some extent your perception of this is going to be impacted by the trails that you are riding. Our local trails tend to be slower with lots of rock gardens, and the low bottom bracket heights that are favored with a lot of the 29er frames are less than ideal for this type of riding because pedal strikes really do become a prominent factor - much more so for me than how the bike handles at speed. Not that I'm buying this frame, but I actually view the higher bottom bracket as a favorable thing.

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    Got mine built up, and took it on it's maiden voyage yesterday.

    1x9, fully rigid. WTB Exiwolf 2.3 f/r

    I love the geometry. It handles perfectly for me. My drivetrain requires a little more attention, but everything else is dead on. I could rail that sucker around corners like nobodies business.

    Plenty of space for the 2.3 Exiwolf in the rear. About 3/4" on either side.

    Not a huge fan of a fully rigid bike. It was sweet for about 70% of the riding, but that other 30% had me hurting pretty bad at the end of 3 hours. It's not the 18" drops that'll hurt you - it's the baby heads and chudder-bumps. Stuff you think you should be able to hold speed through...

    Oh - and for the record - they've updated the 2011 specs for a 27.2 on the Pro and Ridgeline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkboy
    Oh - and for the record - they've updated the 2011 specs for a 27.2 on the Pro and Ridgeline.
    Bonus! I was hoping they'd go to 27.2. I've been wanting to run an eriksen layback post on the 2011 and didn't want to deal with shims. Sounds like it'll be awhile before Lynskey starts making layback posts unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement
    I'm still accumulating parts for mine. It comes with the white Lynskey fork, phillabong already has his up for sale as he's not using it. I think mine will probably be too as I've just got home to a new tapered reba for it
    I gave you a sneak peak of mine- yours?

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    <img src="http://gallery.mtbr.com/data/mtbr/500/115-1.JPG">

    And a pic...

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    Man, that build looks nice! Thanks for posting a pic. I need to get off my butt and take pics of mine built up. Too busy just trying to squeeze in some rides.

    I've already unloaded that rigid fork and put my Reba SL on instead. Set it up 2x9 got a few rides in now trying to get it dialed in. On my first ride on some private trails in subfreezing temps, I tried two steep climbs that have given me some degree of difficulty (on my stumpy) in the past. I always make 'em but it's just not always pretty. This bike was butter smooth on both climbs. Every time. I was actually very surprised because even though this build is around 23.5 lbs., it just kinda "felt" heavier than my stumpy. I hope to get a few more rides in between now and Christmas and I'll be back.

    Also, did anyone make a record of the geo on this frame? The link with that info (first post of this thread) is no longer available and I forgot to save it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillabong
    Also, did anyone make a record of the geo on this frame? The link with that info (first post of this thread) is no longer available and I forgot to save it.
    <img src="http://student.fortlewis.edu/mwmages/lynskeygeo.jpg">

    Mine didn't feel heavy at all on the climbs... in fact - acceleration / climbing wise, it's very similar to most of my other bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkboy
    Mine didn't feel heavy at all on the climbs... in fact - acceleration / climbing wise, it's very similar to most of my other bikes.
    To clarify, it didn't feel heavier on the climbs. My point was more that it climbed much better - much smoother - than I anticipated. It climbed much better than my comparably equipped 2010 Stumpy HT.

    As for it feeling slightly less responsive than my Stumpy, I noticed that more on some really tight singletrack. But this Lynskey does have a slightly more relaxed head tube and seat tube angle (by 0.5 degrees), as well as slightly longer chain stays (by 0.375") than my Stumpy. And to be fair about it I was really bundled up because it was *so* cold that day. Maybe that was why it "felt" heavier.

    I'm not at all displeased with it. In fact, given the above parameters, what I noticed probably makes sense.

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    Sorry - misread last night.

    Mine isn't too exciting of a build - pretty much just an LX gruppo I had laying around. The wheels are off-the-shelf XT MT75. It's more of an experiment to see if I even really dig the whole 29er thing With the frugal kit and heavier 2.3s, it's right in at 23.8 lbs.

    So far, so good - but in this particular incarnation, I was a little disappointed that I didn't notice the two primary things I always hear about 26vs 29. As I mentioned earlier, I didn't notice a single bit of "decreased acceleration due to the increased rotational mass of the wheels"
    On the other hand, I didn't notice being able to magically float over rocks and logs the way most people claim.

    I think the most impressive thing I DID notice was the cornering ability. It might not be 100% as agile through the super tight, techy stuff - but the way the bigger wheels hold a line on the mellower, high-desert fast flowy stuff (a 'la 18rd, Phil's World) was a semi-religious experience.

    Definitely post up some pics!

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    2010 Pro 29 fork set up

    Guys, Newbie here, Ill try to load my pictures of the new 2010 Pro 29r , In the meantime...One beef I do have is that the front end is really high compared to my Kona, granted the 100mm fork with 2.25 Racing ralphs adds a little more height versus the 80mm Maxxis setup, But my test rides just feel funny, allmost like riding RM250R, How does the bike ride set up with 80mm? My Lynskey dealer swore the geometry was all based on 100mm.....Thanks, Look forward to your replies......
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