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    When will Specialized crack?

    Apparently, Specialized have put in a massive order for 27.5 forks for 2015. Also rumors have that Aaron Gwin was on 27.5 for the worlds. Some serious back pedaling from Spec when they release the tweener.

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    Meh... Specialized was also late to the 29er game after implying that they wouldn't make one. I doubt anyone at Spec cares if we think they are back pedaling as long as they continue to sell bikes.

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    Whatever Gwin was on for Worlds, he sucked.

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    Spec has been testing 27.5 wheels for a while now, people have seen them at some of their favored test trails in California.
    I think next year they'll have long travel 27.5 bikes, I'd bet on stumpy fsr's and them finally dropping 26" from that line and possibly an enduro model, doubt you'll see them do it anywhere else.
    If they really wanted to get into the market with a splash they could come out with a 100-110mm xc trail/race full squish bike that's under $3k and under 25#, those would sell like hotcakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madsedan View Post
    come out with a 100-110mm xc trail/race full squish bike that's under $3k and under 25#, those would sell like hotcakes.
    I'd buy one. In all honesty, the first builder to nail this gets my bread, but I don't see it happening any time soon. I don't think anyone can build a rig that light for that price.
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    scott spark 740 will come in just over $3k and about 27lbs FWIW

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCW View Post
    Whatever Gwin was on for Worlds, he sucked.
    It is amazing how he has fallen off this year, after dominating on the Trek...maybe it is about the bike.

    Or it's karma for how he parted ways with Trek...

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    I think Specialized is happy to let the other manufacturers take the risk and do the heavy lifting to build a market for 27.5. You can bet that if 27.5 proves to be a big success, Specialized will introduce bikes quickly. This is the same way they handled 29ers. The smaller innovative companies have a good opportunity in the meantime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillTheGreat View Post
    I think Specialized is happy to let the other manufacturers take the risk and do the heavy lifting to build a market for 27.5. You can bet that if 27.5 proves to be a big success, Specialized will introduce bikes quickly. This is the same way they handled 29ers. The smaller innovative companies have a good opportunity in the meantime.
    ^^^ This.

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    Gwin said he had a better deal with Spec'd. I think that was pretty simple. He said it in an interview a few times.

    If you want to hear about 275, go watch the RedBullTV World Cup coverage. 2h44m of 275 coverage. They talked about it a few dozen times at least. They SAID that Gwin was on 275 but that don't make it so, as we know.

    As soon as 275 bikes reach real numbers, Spec'd will be there. They said they built mules to test out the size. I would bet Camber (or new Camber-ish model) as well as Demo, hardtail, Stump and Enduro. Could very well be introduced through EVO models of each as well. That would be a quick/easy toe in the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbildr View Post



    If you want to hear about 275, go watch the RedBullTV World Cup coverage. 2h44m of 275 coverage. They talked about it a few dozen times at least. They SAID that Gwin was on 275 but that don't make it so, as we know.

    For sure Logan Binggeli did on a KHS.

    But Minnaar rode a V10c 26" for the win. He rides a Bronson in Enduro. If SC had a 27.5" DH bike, would he have raced that? And would he have still won?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    It is amazing how he has fallen off this year, after dominating on the Trek...maybe it is about the bike.

    Or it's karma for how he parted ways with Trek...
    There was a very telling video on Dirt where Gwin admitted that between signing for Spesh and Fort William he had been at home in Cali, hadn't tested the bike at any world level tracks and had basically done his own thing for training. Spesh/Gwin really dropped the ball there, Minnar/Syndicate and Atherton/One Ind are always completely committed off season, nobody gets past them without doing the same.

    Payback for arrogance? Failing to appreciate what Captain Whiteley really did for him? Maybe. It's certainly been a humiliating year for Specialized Racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti View Post
    I can't believe he left the Trek gig... Seems like he had a good thing going, why mess with a winning thing /team / bike????
    Because Spesh are paying him more to finish nowhere than Trek were paying him to win.

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    When will I care about anything Special ed does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by She&I View Post
    When will I care about anything Special ed does?
    When they produce a bike that fits you better than any other on the market? I don't own ANY Spesh stuff now, get rubbed the wrong way by their attitude, but will NOT rule out getting a Spesh Epic, SJ, Camber or Enduro in 650b when (not if) they come out.
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    Sounds like you've never ridden a Stump or Enduro. You have to admit that they are two of the most capable platforms on the planet and have been for about a decade now. And they didn't suck before that.

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    The Sram guys can run any bike they want, they're on Enduro 29".

    I don't think Specialized are in any rush to produce 650b bikes when they have an almost unique 29" product.

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    Yeah, and the SRAM guys don't get deals from Spec'd so they have to buy them either at wholesale or find a nice local shop for EP.

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    This is a great question. I can only speculate, but I think within three years. Of all the surveys I have seen, very few people are actively seeking 26ers. If they are not in the market for a 29er, the 650b is the next choice.
    I think it's kind of the same thing as how the big U.S. automakers took longer to get on board with electric/hybrid technology. They waited for Toyota and Honda to generate buzz then they jumped in the market.
    I am only speculating, however. I am just a normal dude who follows industry trends and such.

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    I thinkin less than 5 years the 26 in wheel will be dead. its going to be 27.5 and 29 only
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbildr View Post
    Sounds like you've never ridden a Stump or Enduro. You have to admit that they are two of the most capable platforms on the planet and have been for about a decade now. And they didn't suck before that.

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    When will Specialized crack?

    I'd love to demo a Yeti SB-95. I hear the switchback setup works really really well
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    I'd say you have to admit it like you have to admit that the IH Sunday is one of the best dh bikes ever made. Ubiquity, popularity, performance (under some), durability, etc.

    It's not a measure of if YOU like it, but rather, that you understand that it's a great product.

    I may not listen to gospel music, and I may even say 'I hate it' but I would clearly admit that the music itself has value and is 'good'.

    Similarly, the FSR system has been adapted from 4" up to 9" travel applications, with 20+ years of effective design and implementation. That is a fact and you have to be able to at least appreciate the uniqueness of that reality in the bike industry and give a company credit for being able to do that.

    That's all I meant. I'm kinda the opposite of you. I don't like the harshness of VPP and DW but I realize that it is an effective system with many supporters and effective implementation across many, many platforms.

    Make sense?

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    I don't really give a crap when Specialized comes out with 27.5, alot of other manufacturers are realizing the benefits of the wheel size, big S already said that they found " no benefit" of the wheel size, but money talks, they'll have them mid 2014 is my guess.

    I'll go further on your thinking, I believe in less than 5 years, 27.5 will be the DOMINANT wheel size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerth View Post
    I thinkin less than 5 years the 26 in wheel will be dead. its going to be 27.5 and 29 only
    Don't post that idea in the AM forum. They will "respectfully" disagree.

    Also, if not for everyday trail riding, 26" will always be the go-to size for DJ, stunt, park, and other applications where any extra weight or handling compromise is a deal killer.

    So, even if most new offerings in the foreseeable future are not 26", there will always be a market for them. Example, they still sell 8 speed parts in a world where 9, 10 and now 11 speed predominate. It to mention v-brakes and rim brake rims where disc brakes rule the roost.
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    I think the 26er will still be produced for a long time. Even if this demand is diminishing, it's still there. The manual transmission in cars was supposed to be dead by now too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    I think the 26er will still be produced for a long time. Even if this demand is diminishing, it's still there. The manual transmission in cars was supposed to be dead by now too.
    This is true but try finding them on the lot. Special order only in most cases.

    It may not be a popular view point but as manufacturers adopt the 27.5 and the 29 it is inevitable that the 26 may not die but will not be available from most of the companies. Sure there will be a few models here or there that will be 26 specific but even those will dwindle. Listen guys it's only my opinion and like asses everyone has got one. Only time will tell but with the big boys all going 650b and 29er the handwriting is on the wall
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    I may not listen to gospel music, and I may even say 'I hate it' but I would clearly admit that the music itself has value and is 'good'.
    Proving this point, I may be a weed smoking secular humanist atheist commie, but this is freaking outstanding:

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    I may be a weed smoking secular humanist atheist commie...
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    The good news, however, is that other manufacturers aren't scurred to try it out. I got my Santa Cruz Solo last week and I love it. I owned 4 Specialized bikes prior but they did not offer 650b so I took my business elsewhere. Very happy with the bike.

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    It's worth noting that just as some people are too small to fit on 29" without compromises to geometry/fit/handling, there are plenty of people too small to comfortably fit on 27.5. Heck, I have built 24" wheel mountain bikes for folks significantly under 5' tall who don't fit on 26" wheels. All the sizes have their place and I'm almost as sick of discussions of "dominant" wheel sizes as I am of hearing the word "enduro" slapped on every possible mountain bike product.

    Back on topic: IMO Specialized will release a 27.5 bike or two next year, assuming the current offerings from other companies don't crash and burn sales-wise.

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    Why even WAIT for Specialized to come out with a 27.5 bike? Move on....nothing to see here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    Why even WAIT for Specialized to come out with a 27.5 bike? Move on....nothing to see here.
    For one, my favorite LBS is a Specialized, so I would rather buy one from them but it will be hard. I am not going to wait 2 years to do it.

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    I knew it!)
    But still listen to C&W and even gospel music. When it comes to music, excellence and not genre is the only criterion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    It's worth noting that just as some people are too small to fit on 29" without compromises to geometry/fit/handling, there are plenty of people too small to comfortably fit on 27.5. Heck, I have built 24" wheel mountain bikes for folks significantly under 5' tall who don't fit on 26" wheels. All the sizes have their place and I'm almost as sick of discussions of "dominant" wheel sizes as I am of hearing the word "enduro" slapped on every possible mountain bike product..
    Don't forget "Evo". As soon as Waltworks comes up with a 27.5" Enduro Evo, I'm coming to SLC. You open in the winter? I suppose you are up in the mountains skinning around off piste and craving the pow. Or skiing Alta. Somehow you come off as an Alta kinda guy, maybe Snowbird, not Park City. Back on topic: what size waist on your skis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    It's worth noting that just as some people are too small to fit on 29" without compromises to geometry/fit/handling, there are plenty of people too small to comfortably fit on 27.5. Heck, I have built 24" wheel mountain bikes for folks significantly under 5' tall who don't fit on 26" wheels. All the sizes have their place and I'm almost as sick of discussions of "dominant" wheel sizes as I am of hearing the word "enduro" slapped on every possible mountain bike product.

    Back on topic: IMO Specialized will release a 27.5 bike or two next year, assuming the current offerings from other companies don't crash and burn sales-wise.

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    No way Walt, you don't know what you're talking about. After all I was told even 4ft 10 year olds are kicking it on 29er in another post where I dared to ask how tall the OP was.

    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    People need to stop posting this. Wheel size has nothing to do with suspension travel or height. I noticed most often people that say this are under 6' themselves. I'm 6'4" and I can say without a doubt that, while owing all three wheel sizes, 650b wheels are no more or less suited to me than anyone else. The only people that have problems with wheel size are small 29ers and I've seen a 4' something 10 year old little girl killing it on a 29er, smaller than the plethora of guys that claim a small 29ers can't fit them.

    And before the flamers start, yes I know who Walt is, I've even paid for a frame design and consultation, in case it was apparent it was sarcasm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    No way Walt, you don't know what you're talking about. After all I was told even 4ft 10 year olds are kicking it on 29er in another post where I dared to ask how tall the OP was.

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    I saw the trek rep trying to outfit an 11yo with a 29'rs FS bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad_M View Post
    I saw the trek rep trying to outfit an 11yo with a 29'rs FS bike.
    And here is the problem, I'm sure my 11 year old son could get on a small 29er pedal around the neighborhood, but I don't consider that riding.
    On his 24inch he is jumping, learning to manual etc.. I stack make wood piles for him to get his wheel up and over to ride. He's tried on his mom's xs Trek Fuel 26er and it much harder and no way in hell I see him doing it on a xs 29er.
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    We need more weed smoking secular humanist atheist commies.

    But that's just me.

    I'm a sucker for some harmonies. I loves me some bluegrass, especially the mutli-singer variety with all them country harmonies...

    Just don't tell anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbildr View Post
    We need more weed smoking secular humanist atheist commies.

    But that's just me.

    I'm a sucker for some harmonies. I loves me some bluegrass, especially the mutli-singer variety with all them country harmonies...

    Just don't tell anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    No way Walt, you don't know what you're talking about. After all I was told even 4ft 10 year olds are kicking it on 29er in another post where I dared to ask how tall the OP was.
    .
    Posting a quote from a completely different thread... Must have really hit a nerve. Yes she is an XC racer in the making. She was on a XS small WSD Trek X-Cal and tearing trail since I was at the trail riding myself and not sitting in a bike shop spouting my opinion of what is and isn't proper bike "fit". Funny thing about kids vs out of shape 40 something dudes when it comes to "fit". No one needs to have a -25 stem to ride a bike whether you claim it "fits" properly or not. What's going to be the difference? What is the purpose of the fit and what if you don't care about being in the most optimum pedaling position?

    The point of my post that was mostly taken out of context, was that the whole notion that 29ers are more appropriate for tall people than 650b is nothing but opinion. You were adding nothing useful to the discussion other than typical shop talk BS about fitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    Posting a quote from a completely different thread... Must have really hit a nerve. Yes she is an XC racer in the making. She was on a XS small WSD Trek X-Cal and tearing trail since I was at the trail riding myself and not sitting in a bike shop spouting my opinion of what is and isn't proper bike "fit". Funny thing about kids vs out of shape 40 something dudes when it comes to "fit". No one needs to have a -25 stem to ride a bike whether you claim it "fits" properly or not. What's going to be the difference? What is the purpose of the fit and what if you don't care about being in the most optimum pedaling position?

    The point of my post that was mostly taken out of context, was that the whole notion that 29ers are more appropriate for tall people than 650b is nothing but opinion. You were adding nothing useful to the discussion other than typical shop talk BS about fitting.
    Another person holding that opinion is Leonard Zinn, who knows a thing or two about bicycles, and rides them, races them, builds them, and writes about them as his day job:

    I think that it makes a lot more sense for wheels to be proportional to rider height (as they tend to be on kidsí bikes) than to simply jump on whatever happens to be the popular size of the moment.

    When I see five-foot-tall women on little tiny 29er frames with giant wagon wheels front and rear, I cringe a bit at the design compromises that had to be made to the frame to allow a short person to ride it and not have toe overlap of the front wheel. Sure, I can understand the interest small riders might have in having a faster-rolling bike that perhaps assists them in riding with more confidence on technical descents as well as on riding whatever is the current fad, but a 650b would be a much more rational choice for short riders intent on graduating from 26-inch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    Posting a quote from a completely different thread... Must have really hit a nerve. Yes she is an XC racer in the making. She was on a XS small WSD Trek X-Cal and tearing trail since I was at the trail riding myself and not sitting in a bike shop spouting my opinion of what is and isn't proper bike "fit". Funny thing about kids vs out of shape 40 something dudes when it comes to "fit". No one needs to have a -25 stem to ride a bike whether you claim it "fits" properly or not. What's going to be the difference? What is the purpose of the fit and what if you don't care about being in the most optimum pedaling position?

    The point of my post that was mostly taken out of context, was that the whole notion that 29ers are more appropriate for tall people than 650b is nothing but opinion. You were adding nothing useful to the discussion other than typical shop talk BS about fitting.
    Lol with the nerve thing, you didn't hit a nerve, you made me laugh. I especial found it amusing because I read your little tirade right before reading Walt's post.

    You seem to fail to realized you missed the point of my post, I specifically said unless you're really short to the OP. Please explain how you came to the conclusion that meant 29er are more appropriate for tall people?

    So how many frames have you build for people? Just wondering since you seem to feel your opinion is somehow more valid then mine at least back it up.


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    Sorry everyone else for the derail.
    No prob. I'm always ready for a good slugfest. Maybe cuz I get into so many myself?
    Old enough to know better. And old enough not to care. Best age to be.

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