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    What made you want the 27.5 over the 29?

    Did the 27.5 just feel better right away compared to the 29 or did it take some time to figure out? Maybe it's because it's not much bigger than the 26 and the 29 just felt like it wasn't comfortable?

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    I only believed half the 29er hype so I only went half way there...

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    Well I am currently on a cross country oriented HT 29er. Picked it up to try out mountain biking, fell in love, and quickly moved on to more trail riding. So I decided to go FS. Knew the geometry I wanted, so I started testing all the bikes I could. For me (5' 10" long torso short inseam) the 27.5 bikes felt better for the most part. There were a couple 29ers along the way (Process 111 and Specialized Enduro 29er) that felt pretty good, but I ended up going 27.5 because that was the bike that just clicked. I would have checked out 26ers but hardly any in the LBSs around here.

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    I've been riding for years a hard tail 26er. A couple years a go I thought I give a 29er a shot because of the big hype, and because I wanted to try something different. So I bought a used 29'er Motobecane Phantom hard tail. DIDN'T LIKE IT. So I gave it to my son and went back to my 26er. Still I felt like I needed something a little bigger, but because of my hight 5'4' I am limited. So now I purchased a Cannondale Prohet only because with the full suspension I can convert it to a 27.5 (with some alterations) using my existing components. So. I'm exited and soon I will post my final conclusion in the experience. I believe it will be a positive one.

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    Being 5-5" It will provide the advantages of a taller tire with out feeling too far off the ground which would make me ride more conservatively.

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    I have 29er and 27.5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Anderson View Post
    Being 5-5" It will provide the advantages of a taller tire with out feeling too far off the ground which would make me ride more conservatively.
    Wow. Uh...this is a joke, right?

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    Because 27.5 is the future, like it or not. And it's that good too. I know people get castrated on here for calling 29ers hype. But for me, when I saw a 5 ft tall shop guy (because he liked them???) trying to sell a fleet of 29ers to every woman, child, and man, I decided, for myself, that it was just a bunch of hype, a gimmick to sell something new. Although they have a niche xc market and, in their deffense, they are getting better geometry/travels so the sky is the limit for future designs. That's my opinion, to each their own. I thought the 27.5 looked to big in front of the bars at first, but now when I take my 26 inch cross country for a gravel grind it really scares me to think I use to ride that bike the way I did. The 27.5 is stabel and confidence inspiring, yet quick and nimble, really. It really is an excellent tire size for many, if not all applications and I think the bike designers have gotten this one right.

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    With the Fuel EX8 26, i felt like i was getting hung up on random rocks here and there (also the steeper head angle and worn out suspension doesnt help the case) and just needed a little more of everything. So, slacker head angle, more travel and larger tire would be the ticket. Then the Troy came out with the 27.5... Done. That bike has been rocking my world. The sections of trail i used to get jammed up on, are now ridable. I carry more speed where my 26 used to slow down, rail turns faster and feel much more comfortable going faster. It is a combo of everything thats making my riding better though. Being a better, more experienced rider in general, fresh suspension with more travel, slacker head angle, taller tire, wider tire, better gearing in 1x, wider bars, etc...

    I just love 27.5 and my bike in general. Everything more i wanted, i found in the 27.5 Troy. Mainly, I wanted something nimble and fun and in my eyes, 29er needs more effort to throw around. 27.5 made more sense.

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    From 26 the 29 just felt floppy while steering and massive when spinning up. So I never bit. When 27.5 came out and it was time for a new bike I tested 3 29ers; a Carbon Tallboy, Spot HT, Spec Stumpy FSR Carbon. Nice bikes. Then I tested the 27.5 Solo and the Anthem Advance 1. While I did not care for the geometry of the Solo, both bikes were quicker as soon as you hit the pedal. The bikes were easier to whip around and still had an improved roll over 26.

    for me, with my preferences, it was a no-brainer.
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    Re: What made you want the 27.5 over the 29?

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    I have 29er and 27.5.
    29er for XC and 27.5 for AM
    Yep same as this guy

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    I bought into it years ago and converted a C'Dale Prophet. Didn't much care for it then. Fell for it again last year when the wheel size was blowing up.

    For me -- considering my size and terrain -- 650b just isn't all that much different from a 26er. So I'm back on 29ers.

    Which is not to say I don't like 650b. Wasn't the best choice for ME, but I'm glad the size is available for those that are stoked by it.

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    I am in the market for a new bike to replace my 9 year old Enduro. The 27.5 Heckler, the new one with a Pike is my number one choice. I would have preferred 26" but they aren't available anymore. I thought about the Tallboy LT and other 29ers FS that are longer travel, but cost is an issue and some are just overkill for me, e.g., Enduro 29 is just too much for what I ride. E29 and Camber were strong n the list but for travel reasons and that I don't want to spend another 9 years on FSR, I am going with santa Cruz.

    Between the Tallboy LT and the Heckler, issue is cost, Pike, and wanting something more compact than 29 on FS, would have way preferred 26". If it was between a 26" heckler with a Pike and TallboyLT, I wouldn't consider the Tallboy at all.

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    Thanks for the insight people. I'm haven't test ridden any 27.5's yet so I'm in the process of getting a feel for everything out there. I have my ss 26 that I'm holding onto, but thinking about maybe going 27.5 or 29 but not sure yet. I'm not off road as much as
    everyone here but thinking maybe a 29 frame with slicks for road use, and if I decide to use off road can switch the treads. There's also the 27.5 in the mix so I'm finding it quite confusing about which frame to go with. Hold onto the 26 for off road, and just go ss road frame, or 27.5/29 with slicks, and switch tires as I use for off road?

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    I got back into riding about 8 years or so ago. At the time, 26er was basically all there was as far as options. I rode my 26er for about 4 years, and got some good use out of it, however, money became available and I decided it was time for a new rig. About that time, 29ers were becoming pretty popular and the LBS really tried to push them. I test ride the Specialized Rockhopper (i believe it was the RH) and felt pretty uncomfortable on it. The bike just didnt seem stable underneath me. I continued to search and try other bikes and test rode the Superfly 29er. It was night and day different then the RH. I was set to buy it, and the salesman offered me his basically new Specialized Stumpjumper Expert Carbon 29er with about 25 miles on it at a very realistic price (about 1/3 of new). I was skeptical due to my RH experience, but asked for a test ride anyways. I took it around the parking lot a few times and immediately it was better than the RH. Just to make sure i wasnt just "settling", I went to the Specialized Demo day and rode the same bike around for about 2 hours on my local trails. The bike was amazing. Though it did not have the "flickability" of my 26er, there was not a huge difference in the two in that regards, but it rolled over everything and was fast. Fast forward 3 years and I again became ready to purchase something new. I was super interested in both the Santa Cruz 5010 and the Yeti SB-75. I was looking to go to a FS that would have provided me a happy medium between the 26/29. Though I had not seen much "flickability" difference, I was ready to find that all around bike. Something that would roll over everything, but was nimble on the trail. I decided to go with the Yeti and could not be happier. It is everything that my 26/29 were AND everything that they were not. It is the perfect mix of the two. I think companies have hit this nail on the head going with a 650b.

    Good luck with your purchase. Im sure you will select the right bike for you.

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    I never believed 29ers were better than 26ers, I even posted a post on mtbr back in, I believe 2002, about maybe a middle size like 27.5" would have been better idea than going up to something that was so much bigger as the 29er. Of course in some situations 29ers are faster, never did real really like mine, a ht and a fs. Then in 2009 I got the chance to ride a 27.5er and immediately knew this wheel size was better that the 29ers I've owned and ridden, but also way better than all the 26ers I've owned and ridden. Im sold on this size, from everything from xc to dh.
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    To me 29rs look odd.....and if I am going to drop $3,000, looks are part of the equation

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    For me, it was how the 29er handles and accelerates. Though not terrible, it is a huge jump coming from my 26er and i have never been able to get the 29er to handle like I want in part due to the height of the set-up required because of the tall wheels. Anyway, I finally decided to build a FS bike and knew that I would definitely not like a 29 FS with an even longer wheelbase, so I rented an Anthem 27.5 and knew that would be the right bike for what I needed.

    I do think 29ers are best suited for people taller than me...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by mopartodd View Post

    I do think 29ers are best suited for people 6 ft. and taller...
    How bout 5'11?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky Mtn View Post
    To me 29rs look odd.....and if I am going to drop $3,000, looks are part of the equation
    Are 29er's that much?

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    I liked 9ers, I like 26ers and can only afford one bike to do it all.

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    To clarify, i love my 29er ht, Yelli, but given a number of considerations, prefer a smaller wheel size for FS.

    If money were not an issue, i'd have a FS 29er, no problem, e.g., E29, Lenz lunchbox, TallbotLt, Process111, i'd probably like them all, but I can only afford one fs bike right now, and that's driving the boat.

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    Some of the new style flow trails have much more jump lines and bermed corners which make the 29 feel a little flexy. Wheels are super important on a 29er. With that being said I wanted a stiff, slack, and short rear cs which you now have plenty to chose from.

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    Been riding 26'ers forever but tried a few 29'ers. I liked the 29'ers stability at speed and being able to roll over stuff but the lack of razor-sharp handling killed it for me.
    And better bunny-hopping with a 650b to boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie88 View Post
    How bout 5'11?
    According to my ruler, that is an inch short. Go to the back of the line.

    NEXT.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie88 View Post
    How bout 5'11?
    lol. Maybe.
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    I wonder if it's the progressive geometry of the 27.5 bikes that people prefer over the wheel size.
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    What made you want the 27.5 over the 29?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I wonder if it's the progressive geometry of the 27.5 bikes that people prefer over the wheel size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie88 View Post
    Did the 27.5 just feel better right away compared to the 29 or did it take some time to figure out? Maybe it's because it's not much bigger than the 26 and the 29 just felt like it wasn't comfortable?
    No No No. I bought a Tallboy LTc.
    29ers have been gaining popularity for a decade. The benefits are real and I didn't want half the benefits.

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    I mainly chose 27.5 because bike manufacturers are making really good 27.5 bikes. If they had kept with 26 wheels, I would have been perfectly happy with them. Not to say that there are not benefits going from 26 to 27.5, just that they are not overwhelming. If bike manufacterers were making awesome 26ers, I would be riding one of those. I chose 27.5 because I wanted a cutting edge bike (modern geometry, suspension design, ect...), but I wanted the bike to be playful, and ride similarly to a 26. Bottom line: I would probably be happy with a 26er, however, if most bike manufacturers are abandoning this wheelsize, I don't have a lot of choice if I want an up-to-date bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~MAX-Moab~ View Post
    I mainly chose 27.5 because bike manufacturers are making really good 27.5 bikes. If they had kept with 26 wheels, I would have been perfectly happy with them. Not to say that there are not benefits going from 26 to 27.5, just that they are not overwhelming. If bike manufacterers were making awesome 26ers, I would be riding one of those. I chose 27.5 because I wanted a cutting edge bike (modern geometry, suspension design, ect...), but I wanted the bike to be playful, and ride similarly to a 26. Bottom line: I would probably be happy with a 26er, however, if most bike manufacturers are abandoning this wheelsize, I don't have a lot of choice if I want an up-to-date bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I wonder if it's the progressive geometry of the 27.5 bikes that people prefer over the wheel size.
    What does that mean?
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    What made you want the 27.5 over the 29?

    Much depends on rider height and terrain. Being 6'3" and riding xc, 29er works fine. There is a learning curve for sure; you ride them differently.

    If I had to take a stab at general categories:

    XC riding for most heights: Hardtail or short travel 29er
    All mountain for tall: FS 29er or 650b. Short/ medium FS 650b
    Downhill no clue, but it seems like 650 is the sweet spot there too.

    Modern geo, brakes, and suspension go a long way in any wheel size.

    And of course, whatever the bike, you need to get probably 50 hours of seat time to really know what it can do......



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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    What does that mean?
    It means the marketing has been effective.
    whatever...

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    I'm a midget... so they say :)

    Quote Originally Posted by mopartodd View Post
    For me, it was how the 29er handles and accelerates. Though not terrible, it is a huge jump coming from my 26er and i have never been able to get the 29er to handle like I want in part due to the height of the set-up required because of the tall wheels. Anyway, I finally decided to build a FS bike and knew that I would definitely not like a 29 FS with an even longer wheelbase, so I rented an Anthem 27.5 and knew that would be the right bike for what I needed.

    I do think 29ers are best suited for people taller than me...lol
    hahaha taller then me (you) you say. No need to be politically correct with me. I know I'm a midget compared to, well... many of you probably.
    I'm 5'4" My son is 5'11.5" and the Moto'Fantom is a small frame 29er. It fit me great and it definitely gave me a work out. I tried it for a month and just didn't like the feel and the way it handled tight turns. It made me ache after technical runs. My Cannondale F5 (small frame) has a ginormous head tube (for a lefty if I wanted) while the Moto'Fantom has a petite head tube, and I think my body has just gotten used to of the F5's larger design that I fell in love with the feel through time. At any rate it's all good. My son benefited by getting a real nice 2 wheel stallion rig while I continued for something better and different to satisfy my itch. The Moto'Fantom fits him great and is tearing it up with me and loving it. In comes the Prophet 2 frame that has the exact same head tube design with the option for medium (650b) wheel size. I'm half way there in building it. Just can't wait to tear up some dirt and eat some boulders. YEP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie88 View Post
    Did the 27.5 just feel better right away compared to the 29 or did it take some time to figure out? Maybe it's because it's not much bigger than the 26 and the 29 just felt like it wasn't comfortable?
    Me personally. I ride a lot of tight, twisty, jungle trails here in Hawaii. Lots of rocks, roots, stair step climbs and drops. Fun, technical riding where in most cases it's not the speed but the technical challenge going up and down.

    I have riding buddies who swear by their 29's. I've played with their bikes and up to the moment, have not ridden one I like. They're great going up hill and over stuff. I just can't get them to lean and snap turns. It's more of a carving kind of feeling as opposed to point and shoot. I've ridden Specialized Camber (full carbon), Giant Anthem X, Santa Cruz Tallboy (first version), Niners, Ibis Ripley and others.

    I've been riding a 2007 5 Spot. I experimented with 27.5 in the front of this bike. I liked the results. It gave me the same snapping turning in between the trees with a bit better roll over. I unfortunately could not fit a 27.5 in the rear of this bike. I was starting to shop for a Santa Cruz TRc to convert and ended up going to southern California back in Oct 2013. I made a pilgrimage down to Turner (and some bike shops) to demo some bikes. I ended up getting a Flux as I was able to prove to myself that I am able to ride all the same things on the Flux as I did the Spot with no less speed or ability. So I have a very capable trail bike that is 1.5 lbs lighter than my Spot.

    The change from 26 to 27.5 isn't as dramatic as a change from 26 to 29. The 27.5 makes the experience just that much better than a 26. For me it's the best traits of a 26" without the compromises of the 29. It's not that the 29 is bad, it's more the compromises outweigh the advantages (remember, for me personally).

    I know it's a hard choice. So many choices. And they aren't necessarily cheap. However, the way I see it, there aren't any bad choices or bikes now days. The bikes are super good compared to what we used to have to choose from back in the 80's and 90's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steadite View Post
    It means the marketing has been effective.
    I wanted to stay with XC geometry, which has not changed much since I've been riding. The bikes I rode, 29 and 27.5, had 69-70º head tubes. Over the years Fisher's geometry had a special name, Women's Specific was marketed, stems have gone from long to short and bars from narrow to wide. So is progressive geometry a marketing approach?Perhaps, but it doesn't apply to my desired geometry.

    So many are trying to dismiss 27.5 as hype. As a mountain biker of 30 years experience this is hardly my first real mountain bike. I know how I ride and where. I see it as a very smart personal choice and, for me, clearly superior to 29.
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    Nice rock hopper comp-- I have that identical bike in my garage. It just needs some new rubber.
    Marketing and design progression are two different things: they should market the **** out of the 650 because it's going to make a lot of happy customers. On the other hand, they marketed the **** out of the 29 leaving a lot of people scratching their heads. If you bought into 29s, good for you, I hope you love it and it might be exactly what you want. But I find it hard to believe there are a ton of smaller individuals and or women riding variable terrain on 29s that wouldn't be happier on a tweener, especially with the new frames geared toward this wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 802spokestoke View Post
    Nice rock hopper comp-- I have that identical bike in my garage. It just needs some new rubber.
    Marketing and design progression are two different things: they should market the **** out of the 650 because it's going to make a lot of happy customers. On the other hand, they marketed the **** out of the 29 leaving a lot of people scratching their heads. If you bought into 29s, good for you, I hope you love it and it might be exactly what you want. But I find it hard to believe there are a ton of smaller individuals and or women riding variable terrain on 29s that wouldn't be happier on a tweener, especially with the new frames geared toward this wheel.
    That's fine, but to dismiss 26" all together, which is what some/many are apparently doing, with the ideology that the market won't support them due to the overwhelming benefits of 27.5" is, well, HYPE.

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    At our local shops I didn't get the feel that anything was dismissed. Our shops are still overrun by 29s. I was trying to find a 26 hard tail three or four years ago and I was having a hard time then, pre 650b. The bottom line now is that there are three choices for consumers. Ultimately the market will drive which size is in higher demand. And if it's a case of 26 loosing out, like I said, that began before the 650 lift off.

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    I really like riding a 29'er hardtail. It provides a little more comfort, for MY intended use (relatively smooth singletrack), than my rigid 26'er. When I saw 27.5" hitting the scene, I thought to my self..."that would make a really good hardtail." LOL....I guess I was wrong.

    I can see how local shops might have a problem maintaining their inventories amid all the "choices."

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    I think we will see more 650 hard tails. But who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berkeley mike View Post
    i wanted to stay with xc geometry, which has not changed much since i've been riding. The bikes i rode, 29 and 27.5, had 69-70º head tubes. Over the years fisher's geometry had a special name, women's specific was marketed, stems have gone from long to short and bars from narrow to wide. So is progressive geometry a marketing approach?perhaps, but it doesn't apply to my desired geometry.

    So many are trying to dismiss 27.5 as hype. As a mountain biker of 30 years experience this is hardly my first real mountain bike. I know how i ride and where. I see it as a very smart personal choice and, for me, clearly superior to 29.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tres Bottelas View Post
    That's fine, but to dismiss 26" all together, which is what some/many are apparently doing, with the ideology that the market won't support them due to the overwhelming benefits of 27.5" is, well, HYPE.
    I think 27.5" is being hyped by the industry because they don't want to support 3 standards. I dunno why this would bother them when they keep changing "standards," in steerer tubes, bottom bracket shells, dropout spacing, etc, etc.

    29er's are HUGE here in Michigan but I've just never found them to be all that. I don't like the way they look (in sizes that fit me at 5'6") or the geometry compromises often necessary to fit them in a smaller frame. I don't like the way they handle or accelerate. I would've been happy to keep riding 4-5" 26er full suspension rigs for the rest of my trail riding life, as I've done since my 1996 Proflex if 27.5" hadn't come along. But it did, and I dig it. I like the way it handles and rides-a slight but definite improvement over 26ers" without the downsides of 29ers-for my riding style and terrain. And I (used to) enjoy the rarity of it, back when it was rare. Been riding the 650b since Rivendell first built a road bike around it back in, what 2004 or so. Moving to 27.5" for trails was a very natural-feeling choice for me-bought my first, a Rawland singlespeed in 2008 or 9.

    I never expected it to get this big, or to eclipse another standard. I don't mind for myself, but I feel for 26er" diehards. If you keep demanding them, keep buying them, there will always be a supply of parts and frames, even if they no longer dominate the market. Where there is a demand, there will always be someone willing to cash in by providing a supply...

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    my first impression when i test rode the 29 was monster truck, and feel like i can ride over anything. i wouldn't want it though if the trail wasn't wide open.

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    I can't see the industry going any bigger than a 29, but what about a 28?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwheelin View Post
    I can't see the industry going any bigger than a 29, but what about a 28?
    There's no compelling reason for another wheel size. The difference between 27.5 and 28 would be nominal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 802spokestoke View Post
    I think we will see more 650 hard tails. But who knows.
    I see that Trek is making 27.5 out of their more entry level hard tails, like the Marlin. This seems like a very smart move to me.

    Eventually, I think 26 inch wheels will go the way of the dinosaur. Especially, for hard tails.

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