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    Which tyres!!! Aaagggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    Hi All,

    I'm cracking up here. I am off on an epic trip and I need the right tyres for my Genius 730. The trails on the trip will be very dry and mostly rolling, with some rocky sections and slickrock. We will also be doing a lot of climbing, tarmac, fireroad and singletrack.

    I need a largish light tyre with good rolling and good protection. Spec should be about 2.2, 600 grm. I have access to the following, but none hit the brief......

    Any other ideas? I am in Europe, so preferably source locally.

    X-King Protection 27.5, black chilli - 2.4 - Too big
    Mountain King Protection 27.5, 2.4 black chilli - Too big
    Maxxis Crossmark (27.5 x 2.10”) - Too small
    Maxxis Ardent (27.5 x 2.25”) - Too aggressive
    Schwalbe Racing Ralph (27.5 x 2.25”) - Perfect size, too light!!
    Schwalbe Nobby Nic (27.5 x 2.35”) - Too aggressive
    Kenda Nevegal (27.5 x 2.10 or 2.35”) - Too small/big/heavy

    Thanks

    Joe

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    Maybe the Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3? I am running the 2.1 version and am very happy with it. Not sure about sourcing in Europe.

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    Thanks! Too aggressive and way too heavy!

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    Hey Joe,

    looks like you are hard to please !

    The Racing Ralph is a nice tyre if you are not pushing it traction wise but since it isnt available in DD or snakeskin steer away from it in the rocks.

    You will be suprised how un agressive the Ardent is. My suggestion would be to run an Ardent out front and the crossmark out back if you want something quick or Ardent front and back if you are not racing.

    The Nobby Nic isnt that agressive even though it looks it. Its weakness is its side knobs which, as a 2.35, one tends to fall off when its used as a rear tyre.

    If you want a tyre that is fantastic fun, loads of grip, strong and controllable but you are not racing then try the Hans Dampf 2.25. Softer Trailstar out front and harder Pacestar out back. Rolls well and lifts the bike to another level.

    If its too hard to pedal then perhaps trim the guy or grow some thighs of justice ! :-)

    good luck with your selection.

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    Rocket Ron seems to be right in the middle of your "too light" and "too aggressive" Schwalbe selections.

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    Thanks Professed.....

    Yes, I am obsessed with tyres. The bike has 2.35 NNs already, great for the winter here, but v slow on he roads and fireroads.

    The tyres are for a one off trip and will be going in the bin after. Dont care about racing as its a 730 and not that kind of bike anyway. All too aware of weight and fitness, I'm a bit slack these days, but going away with pros so need every advantage I can get.

    Disagree on the Ardent and HD, knobs are massive! Crossmark again too small. I have used RRs many times for XC racing, and the 27.5 2.2 is the right size, but too light for where we are going.....if they had it with protection it would be great.

    I leaning towards the MK 2.4, big, but fast and lightish. Pity I cant get the 2.2 :-(

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    Rocket Ron has a tad more grip than the Racing Ralf in loose but its casing in 650B is standard EVO (as far as I know) and without Snakeskin or Double Defence is like riding a part time tyre in anything but buff conditions.

    I tested a RR on the rear of my Liteville 301 650B in moderate conditions and slashed it within 6 rides. Pretty much tore the tread apart also.

    Likewise with Nobby Nic when used on the rear dont expect more than 500Miles tops.

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    RRon and RRalph would be perfect, but only in evo, too light though! Pity, schwalbe, get your act together, 27.5 is going to explode for trail bikes!

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    I feel your pain !

    Soon enough there will hopefully be more players with more sizes and levels of protection. I have some HD 2.25 on their way (been running a 2.35 and its my new all time favorite) so might be able to give better feedback later.

    Till then and until Maxxis, Conti, Kenda or Panaracer expand their range there isnt all that much choice for lightish trail rubber... :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe90mccall View Post
    Thanks! Too aggressive and way too heavy!
    Neos aren't that heavy. They roll remarkably well and handle the New England singletrack extremely well. I have the 2.3's on my Prophet set up tubeless on Velocity Blunt SL rims. I am very pleased with them.
    My name is Chris and I ride a Prophet 650b with a Lefty.

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    Geax Saguaros may be something to look at. A little heavier than your 600 gram target, but they roll really well and have very good volume for a 2.2.

    Edit: Just realized they only make the Saguaro in 2.0 for the 27.5 version. Too bad as it's a great 29er tire in the 2.2 size.

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    Geax Saguaros only in 2.0....pity.

    Think I'll get both X-King and RRalph, just to see how they look and feel....

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    Oh, I see Geax have a suitable tyres, Aka, 2.2 @ 590 grms.....hmmmm

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    Vee Rubber Trail Takers. Sack up and go wider on the front (unless they won't fit, of course!), and they have great traction and rolling resistance with solid protection. 2.4", about 725g, they're great tires.

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    Thanks smmokan, I dont doubt its ability, but again, too aggressive and too heavy. Again, I have NNs and hey are too much!

    anyone got a good online source for Gaex Aka 2.2?

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    Vee Rubber Mission 2.1 ?
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    100g more is too heavy? What kind of trip are you going on?

    Quit being a weight weenie.

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    Anyone any experience of performance line?

    Bike24 - Schwalbe Racing Ralph Performance MTB Folding Tire 27,5" 57-584

    Re: trip, its a biggy, 7 days, 6 hours per day, 4000 mtrs climbing per day....bike, tiny backpack, ferries and hotels/loges.....across gran canaria, tenerife, and la palma islands.

    Yeah, I am fussy, but I friggin hate heavy tyres. Might have to go with the heavier tougher ones though, rough enough and try finding a 650b tyre on an island off the coast of africa!

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    Maxxis Ardent (27.5 x 2.25”) - Too aggressive
    WOW, REALLY? You really are a weenie!
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    If I were obsessed w/ tires I don't think I'd have purchased a 650b...yet. I had a RR 2.25 and if a rock looked @ it long enough it would tear. I have settled on running Neo-moto's tubeless until more tires become available.

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    I'm surprised nobody has thrown out the WTB Wolverine yet. 2.2", 640 grams seems like it could be a very good fit for you.

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    Not a weenie at all. But tyres are by far the most important thing on the bike. I have been on the 730 since last October, and its a heavy beast. But the tyres and wheels are one thing that I dont compromise. the NNs have been great for the mega wet winter we have had here, but they (and all like them) are PIGS on the road. the upcoming trip is a bit special, lots of road and fireroad climbing, and lots of mega descents......a tough combo to satisfy.

    I just saw this, the cobra 2.25s at 590 grms look perfect. Been a long time since I have had hutchs on my bike!

    Hutchinson’s 650B/27.5″ Tires Shipping, Downhill Tread Planned - Bike Rumor

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe90mccall View Post
    Thanks smmokan, I dont doubt its ability, but again, too aggressive and too heavy. Again, I have NNs and hey are too much!

    anyone got a good online source for Gaex Aka 2.2?
    Can't help on the sourcing, but I used the AKA as a 29er tire, and it is one of the few tires where I actually punched a hole between the knobs in the main tread of the tire. Might just have been a fluke, but the low profile knobs with a fairly generous spacing seems like it might be a little more prone to this than other tires.

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    Like the WTB, we were supported by them a few years ago, impossible to goop up. Are the new ones TLR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe90mccall View Post
    Like the WTB, we were supported by them a few years ago, impossible to goop up. Are the new ones TLR?
    The 27.5" tire is not listed as TCS (which is their tubeless tire). But I've mounted the 26" Wolverine tubeless on an Arch rim with no problem (I think I used a compressor), and I just mounted an older 29 x 2.55 Weirwolf tubeless on an Arch rim with no problem too (again, using a compressor). I personally have had good experience with using the WTBs tubeless.

    Was your problem getting the bead seated or getting the sidewalls to seal?

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    Incidentally, I just put the 2.25 Racing Ralph on my wife's 650b bike as the rear tire and the sidewall on it is scary thin - she's really easy on her equipment and I am still nervous about it.

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    Aaagggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    Okay, so not a weenie...Drama Queen then? Joking

    If you think that tires are the most important part of the bike, then I would advise against Hutchinson tires. I tried a couple on the rear and they started falling apart(disintegrating) somewhere around 50 miles. 30 of those were on soft sandstone of Sedona, AZ. They were also not confidence inspiring on off chamber rock. YMMV

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    Jez, falling apart is right! Might give them a miss!

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    Like I said, your mileage may vary, but I think it is important to share my experience with other mtbers on two of their tires. Companies that make crap products should fail because their products don't sell! Now maybe I got a bad batch of rubber, but two tires that were bought at different times from different vendors? I didn't send them in for warranty because the shipping alone to France was another tire. I've NEVER, EVER seen tires disintegrate like this, no matter how many miles they had.

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    I hear talk about Vee Rubber coming out with some new 650b tires soon.Look at my recent thread and check out the links.
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    Someone already threw out a recommendation for the WTB Wolverine. It's not a brick, rolls fast and hooks up pretty well. It's a full 2.2. And .... its available now. What's not to like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe90mccall View Post
    Like the WTB, we were supported by them a few years ago, impossible to goop up. Are the new ones TLR?
    I'm with TurnerConvert on no issues with non-tubeless Wolvs in all 3 sizes mounted tubeless on non-tubeless rims. Tho they weigh in abit over your 600grm mark. given your ride itinary I would think they'd meet the requirements.

    Have to say I was surprised not finding 650 rims or tires on site but I'm pretty sure I saw the TCS version advertised somewhere tho. Maybe it was a "coming soon" ad.
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    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    oh yeah ... tubeless, no issues. Regular old Wolverine "Race" tire
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    Wolverine would be a good choice for at least the rear, and maybe front and rear if it's not real loose/sandy. I've run them on my Curtlo for the last couple of seasons--they mounted up tubeless no sweat on Stan's rims. They're fast on pavement, hook up well on dirt and are fairly durable. A good compromise. It sounds like you'll be sort of touring--self-supported? I'd lean toward a more durable tire over a super-light racing skin, since 650b replacements aren't easy to come by at the drop of a hat. Maybe pack a folding spare, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    I'm with TurnerConvert on no issues with non-tubeless Wolvs in all 3 sizes mounted tubeless on non-tubeless rims. Tho they weigh in abit over your 600grm mark. given your ride itinary I would think they'd meet the requirements.

    Have to say I was surprised not finding 650 rims or tires on site but I'm pretty sure I saw the TCS version advertised somewhere tho. Maybe it was a "coming soon" ad.
    Its weird that the website doesn't show any 650b tires - I only knew about them from the UniversalCycles website (which makes it very easy to see all the 650b tires that they carry). Interesting, the 650b rims that WTB is selling are marked as part of the TCS system, so I'm guessing the TCS 650b tires will be out sooner than later.

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    Off the subject a bit (sorry...),but while we are talking,has anybody used Sun Inferno27 650 rims tubeless?
    I bought some to save $...and later found out they are not really tubeless ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr View Post
    I hear talk about Vee Rubber coming out with some new 650b tires soon.Look at my recent thread and check out the links.
    Hey - I just saw that over on the Universal Cycles website they now have the Vee Rubber Flow and Fluid tires listed. Is this evidence that they will be available soon?

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    Yeah Weir'd!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurnerConvert View Post
    Its weird that the website doesn't show any 650b tires - I only knew about them from the UniversalCycles website (which makes it very easy to see all the 650b tires that they carry). Interesting, the 650b rims that WTB is selling are marked as part of the TCS system, so I'm guessing the TCS 650b tires will be out sooner than later.
    This comes from off the Arts Cycles site where I bought a new pair of Wolvs recently. Unlike Universal's ad thumbnail, they show these mounted to a Frequency rim. Could be what I was recalling Isaw, but fairly certain it was someplace else and pertaiined to a TCS Wolverine tire. Krap, know I'm obsessing.....
    Which tyres!!! Aaagggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-wtb-frequency-i23-650b-rim-wolv-tire.jpg

    How bout the IRD FireXC PRO, you tried one of them as a rr tire yet?
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr View Post
    Off the subject a bit (sorry...),but while we are talking,has anybody used Sun Inferno27 650 rims tubeless?
    I bought some to save $...and later found out they are not really tubeless ready.
    Not personally with these rims, but what is it about them specifically that's not working and how are/were you planning to set them up? Out of the box or Stans tape and sealant?
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    This comes from off the Arts Cycles site where I bought a new pair of Wolvs recently. Unlike Universal's ad thumbnail, they show these mounted to a Frequency rim. Could be what I was recalling Isaw, but fairly certain it was someplace else and pertaiined to a TCS Wolverine tire. Krap, know I'm obsessing.....
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    How bout the IRD FireXC PRO, you tried one of them as a rr tire yet?
    Personally, I haven't. And to be clear, all of my riding experience is with 29er tires. I just built my wife a 650b-converted Blur TRc so I found all of this stuff while working on her bike. Although I have an old 5 Spot that could be a candidate for a 650b conversion too....

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    I haven set them up yet, but I want to run them tubeless with V-Rub Trail Takers up front.
    Not sure what rear tires to use yet,but from what I read I need a 2.1 or below with my Sette Reken frames.I read about Nevegal 2.1s work with the Reken frame.Nobody seems to be using the Inferno27 rims.
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    Reken? Oh really?

    Hetre's mine with 2.1 Crossmarks on at the moment. Going to try a Wolv on shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Hetre's mine with 2.1 Crossmarks on at the moment. Going to try a Wolv on shortly.
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    Hey J-
    Your pics are a big help. I might go squish up front if I can find a lower priced fork,but for now I got the cheapo Nashbar rigid (454mm or so) rigid fork and a Zion 26er rigid fork (circa 2007-8) for the wife's reken.Her's is a 16,mine 18.
    To the OP-sorry for the interruption.
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    OP-I hear vee rub has tires coming soon.Look at my thread for links.I think one of them might work for you.
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    Don't understand the OP's comment about the Ardent. The 2.25 has small knobs, low rolling resistance...not much different than my Crossmarks. I only use them on bikes that get ridden on mix of pavement and consolidated trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Hetre's mine with 2.1 Crossmarks on at the moment. Going to try a Wolv on shortly.
    How do you think the Crossmark does as a rear tire? I'm looking for good traction out of the saddle on hardpack with sand, and have yet to find a "great" 650b rear tire for that. The Crossmark looks like it might be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe90mccall View Post
    Like the WTB, we were supported by them a few years ago, impossible to goop up. Are the new ones TLR?
    I'm running Wolverine 2.2 650B very happily on Stans Crest rims ... tubeless no issues at all

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    +1 on the 2.2 wolverine, good weight and nice volume, mine comes in right at 27.5" in diameter same as my front 2.3 neo on arch ex rims, gotta run more shck spacers than normal in the rear of my trc but worth it to me, on another note tried mounting one up on front of wife's trc and blew it off the rim with a floor pump at about 40psi, happened in the basement and sounded like a bomb went off, she has the crest rims and thankfully hadn't added any stans

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    How do you think the Crossmark does as a rear tire? I'm looking for good traction out of the saddle on hardpack with sand, and have yet to find a "great" 650b rear tire for that. The Crossmark looks like it might be good.
    I find the Ardent doing well for this situation and as great all around rear tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcramlet23 View Post
    +1 on the 2.2 wolverine, good weight and nice volume, mine comes in right at 27.5" in diameter same as my front 2.3 neo on arch ex rims, gotta run more shck spacers than normal in the rear of my trc but worth it to me, on another note tried mounting one up on front of wife's trc and blew it off the rim with a floor pump at about 40psi, happened in the basement and sounded like a bomb went off, she has the crest rims and thankfully hadn't added any stans
    Interesting. I just mounted a 29" version tonight on an older Arch. It made loud popping sounds as the bead seated so I stopped there - I don't think it was much over 20-25 PSI. I've blown a tire off a rim before - it scares the living daylights out of you!

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    My only complaint with the Crossmark is that the sidewalls are not very durable. To be fair I bought mine just after it came out in the 29" version - they might have strengthened it since then. But mine survived less than 5 rides so I'm not really tempted to try again - which is a shame because I remember it being a reasonably fast-rolling tire. If you generally don't have problems cutting sidewalls then you could be fine. For rear wheel use I generally need Maxxis tires to have the EXO protection, and even then lightweight tires (like th Ikon which is one of my favorites) still have a limited lifetime.

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