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    Trek goes 650b

    Good news to see another big american brand stepping up.

    Trek Goes 650B - Press Release - Pinkbike

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkild View Post
    Good news to see another big american brand stepping up.

    Trek Goes 650B - Press Release - Pinkbike
    ...So Euro market only?

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    Trek will offer Remedy and Slash 650b models:

    Trek Debuts 650b Models

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    Bikes look fantastic. Good for Trek. Specialized can keep the 26" die hards IMO and watch the sales slip away.

    Carbon Remedy is freaking yummy but I want that KTM orange paint job of the Slash.

    More great options for 650B!!!

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    Trek goes 650b

    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Bikes look fantastic. Good for Trek. Specialized can keep the 26" die hards IMO and watch the sales slip away.
    Also the "29'er Trail and AM bikes are just great" crowd

    And then there was one. How long will they hold out?
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    And then there was one. How long will they hold out?
    Literally! I give em a year at most before they cave but it's gonna be interesting and also how they back-pedal on all their 650b wheel size statements. Love how the 26" die hards still think it's a fad most likely never having ridden a 650 bike for any length of time if at all.

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    Our coverage is here:

    Revealed: Trek Remedy and Slash 27.5/650b | Mountain Bike Review

    These will replace the 26er Remedy and Slash. Basically, this is the trend as most companies are killing 26er and replacing with 27.5

    Bontrager has awesome new wheels called the Rhythm Elites and they will be used here. XR-3 and XR-4 tires will be used.

    Specialized will have no 27.5 in 2014 and they will probably replace 26ers with 27.5 in 2015.

    Revealed: Trek Remedy and Slash 27.5/650b | Mountain Bike Review
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Literally! I give em a year at most before they cave but it's gonna be interesting and also how they back-pedal on all their 650b wheel size statements. Love how the 26" die hards still think it's a fad most likely never having ridden a 650 bike for any length of time if at all.
    I don't think they are holding out, they admit they have been testing 650b and don't have a bike ready yet. I fully expect a 650b Stumpjumper Evo and Enduro next year (MY '15)

    Shame that Trek spec the Evolution fork on the 8, would have been nice to see a Performance series on there. It makes a big difference and is what Specialized have on their Expert level bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post

    I also can't help but thinking there might be some awesome deals on perfectly good 26ers in the near future...hmmm...
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    I don't think they are holding out, they admit they have been testing 650b and don't have a bike ready yet. I fully expect a 650b Stumpjumper Evo and Enduro next year (MY '15)
    Nah, they never said anything about not having a bike ready. They said they have tested the size and saw no real benefit or performance increase so they will eat some crow at some point. How they address it will be amusing after their stake in the sand stance for this long.

    I've believed for a long time Spec. will have a "B" bike. Just a matter of time. When they apply their freakishly short CS design to all their FS bikes that will be pretty cool. The death of the FD or at least models designed without it also looms large. Norco carbon Sight for 14 you will be able to buy either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Our coverage is here:

    Revealed: Trek Remedy and Slash 27.5/650b | Mountain Bike Review

    These will replace the 26er Remedy and Slash. Basically, this is the trend as most companies are killing 26er and replacing with 27.5

    Bontrager has awesome new wheels called the Rhythm Elites and they will be used here. XR-3 and XR-4 tires will be used.

    Specialized will have no 27.5 in 2014 and they will probably replace 26ers with 27.5 in 2015.

    Revealed: Trek Remedy and Slash 27.5/650b | Mountain Bike Review
    It seems that Spesh drank the 29er koolaid so much that they actually believe it now. Seems to me that they will be losing out on all the 650b sales while Trek/SC/Giant/etc. will sell out of their productions. I can't see 26" lasting very long now.
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    Are those seat tube angle measurements actual? I'm hoping they are, as they seem awfully slack. In which case, what would be the effective angles?
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    Specialized is waiting for their lawyers to finish filing the patent for 650b, then they will release a bike and sue everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    Specialized is waiting for their lawyers to finish filing the patent for 650b, then they will release a bike and sue everyone else.
    Ah, knew it had to be something like that so they could weasel their way out of the corner they backed themselves into

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    Removing the cynicism, Spec'd has a product cycle and they don't break that very often. They have been riding and testin 275 for a few years now and don't see a benefit to the wheelsize. That's obviously not the only lens through which to see the marketplace. They spent the last year or two moving Stump fsr to 29r, building EVOs, building the Enduro 29r and on the new SWAT stuff (which is really cool).

    The demand for 275 bikes is minimal and many people will stick with 26 because it's what they already have. For a lot of people, switching platforms is a big deal.

    I have had conversations with quite a few people who say 'yeah, I like Android a lot more than iPhone but I have all my music in iTunes'.

    The 275 market is tiny right now. They won't suffer for waiting.

    BUT, I'm considering a Trek for the first time in my life with that purty 275 Slash in orange. I'll keep my stump fsr 275 bike for racing though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbildr View Post
    Removing the cynicism, Spec'd has a product cycle and they don't break that very often. They have been riding and testin 275 for a few years now and don't see a benefit to the wheelsize. That's obviously not the only lens through which to see the marketplace. They spent the last year or two moving Stump fsr to 29r, building EVOs, building the Enduro 29r and on the new SWAT stuff (which is really cool).

    The demand for 275 bikes is minimal and many people will stick with 26 because it's what they already have. For a lot of people, switching platforms is a big deal.

    I have had conversations with quite a few people who say 'yeah, I like Android a lot more than iPhone but I have all my music in iTunes'.

    The 275 market is tiny right now. They won't suffer for waiting.

    BUT, I'm considering a Trek for the first time in my life with that purty 275 Slash in orange. I'll keep my stump fsr 275 bike for racing though.

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    I did see an interview with Brad over at specialized and he stated they are testing 650b prototypes right now but they are not ready. With both Giant and Trek doing away with 26 I think specialized will be in earlier than even they thought. My bet is that, the new stumpjumper (since it wasn't redesigned this year) will be a 650b. Now with these other companies releasing 650b, I wouldn't bet against specialized doing a release in September or October ( kind of mid year like the enduro 29)

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    Keeping my 26 Fuel but will be picking up 27.5 Remedy....oh yeah
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    Bontrager has awesome new wheels called the Rhythm Elites and they will be used here. XR-3 and XR-4 tires will be used.
    This is not something to be glossed over IMO. The Bonty Duster, Rhythm Comp, and Rhythm Elite rims are pretty darn nice. Especially their TLR rim strip setup which is really good. The XR-3 and 4 tires also get pretty good reviews.

    More choices again....

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    As far as Specialized is concerned I did not like the fact that no-other full suspension bike they've released this year utilized the Taco Blade and 16.9" chainstays. That's like saying "we've broken the chainstay barrier and dont need 650b" and then going back to traditional full suspension 29er chainstay lengths.

    The other issue with Specialized is availability. I might have chosen a Enduro 29 over a 650b option, but there needs to be a surplus of last years bikes on the market with some wiggle room for lower than MSRP. I don't forsee that happenings until late 2014.

    Lastly, there is still the travel factor. Although "only" 160mm, the Slash, Range, Genius LT, Carbine, and many others all have at or over 160mm travel, and I think it will be quite some time before we see any decently light, decently efficient 170mm FS 29er.

    It seems like you can get short stays or long-travel, but you can't have both unless its 650b.
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    I can't wait. That Orange Slash is sexy looking... Has anyone seen any prices yet? I can only assume they will be around the same price range as the current 29er Remedy and Slash.
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    I was in the store yesterday speaking with the Trek guy about prices. Keep in mind, Aussie costs for these, but all the Remedy's match pricing on the 29er range of them, with the Remedy carbons being in the same ballpark as the Fuel EX's.

    Actually got a tough decision to make, Australia doesn't get many of the Remedy's in. There's a shipment of the 29'ers coming over now, but it's tiny, there's only going to be about 3-4 of each popular size, and most are expected to disappear on pre-orders or shop staff when they land in September. I have a major hard on for orange though, and that Remedy 9 and Slash 9 make me want to forget how well 29ers fit me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    Specialized is waiting for their lawyers to finish filing the patent for 650b, then they will release a bike and sue everyone else.
    LOLZ. It's funny cuz it's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkild View Post
    Trek goes 650b

    Good news to see another big american brand stepping up.

    Trek Goes 650B - Press Release - Pinkbike

    Somewhere out there, David Copperfield is crying softly into a glass of warm milk.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
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    Can we change his name to "the troll who must not be named" now? or maybe just Voldemort

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    so, when will the Rhythm tubeless rim strips be available for 650B?

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    Excuse the hipstering of the photo. Posted by one of the bike stores down here, if they have it on the showroom floor I'll duck in on my lunch break tomorrow and snap some shots of it.


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    The Remedy 7 looks really good (link to specs: Revealed: Trek Remedy and Slash 27.5/650b | Mountain Bike Review).

    I have to say that I prefer the lighter Revelation forks to Fox 34, and the black stanchions really compliment the color scheme. Does anyone know what the Bontranger Duster rims are like?

    Remedy bikes have had a tendency to be really heavy. Hopefully someone working at a dealership will post some weights.

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    Wow, love the new Remedy! Finally something exciting from Trek. Can anybody share pricing info on these Rigs? Namely the more "entry level" units. How about weight?

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    650b Remedy's are already showing up in bike shops, so pricing and weight info will hopefully show up soon.

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    Pricing is identicle to that of the Remedy 29'ers, specs are generally the same, only exception being the Rythm Elite Comp's on the higher end models.


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    Does anyone know what the Bontranger Duster rims are like?
    IMO the Duster rims are very good and a nice size which IIRC are 28mm outer width which is the same as the original Stans Flow or a Pacenti TL 28. Best thing about the Duster rims (or the Rhythm, Rhythm Comp and Elite) is the excellent Bontrager TLR rim strips you can get for them. It's a plastic type rim strip that fits exactly the inner rims profile and very tightly for tubeless tire use. Just might be the best system out there. No tape needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
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    Based on these specs I've calculated that getting a Remedy 7 and upgrading several parts is quite a lot cheaper than getting a Remedy 8. The Fox 34 forks seem to jack the price up quite significantly. My LBS told me that pricing will be more or less the same as the Remedy 29 models, so I'm basing my calculations on that.

    So I figure I'll be preordering a Remedy 7 and upgrading a few parts, at least the shifters. But I'm kind of worried about the Revelation RL forks on the 7. I'm not really too concerned with stiffness, since I've never had a problem with running 140 mm forks with 32 mm stanchions in the past. Apart from the stiffness, does anyone here have experience with the Revelation RL forks? Are they decent compared to, say, a regular Fox Float Evolution?

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    Sorry to spam this thread, but these bikes deserve more attention than they're getting.

    Does anyone know when Trek is "officially" releasing the Remedy 650b? My LBS is waiting until then before they take any preorders, but they didn't know exactly when it's happening. I'm not from the US, so I assume American dealers might know more about the release dates.

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    Does anyone know exactly when these are supposed to hit stores?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluntrager View Post
    Does anyone know exactly when these are supposed to hit stores?
    My LBS said end of next month (Aug) is when they can start ordering/getting them in.
    There is a Demo here in Nov I am hoping they have the 650B's at.
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    26 is dead, I'm selling my 2013 Slash 9 NOW before the market is flooded with high end 26 inch wheels and my bike is unsellable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopsalot View Post
    26 is dead, I'm selling my 2013 Slash 9 NOW before the market is flooded with high end 26 inch wheels and my bike is unsellable.
    Will 650b wheels fit your bike? I was surprised to learn that my 2011 Fuel EX could fit front & back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluntrager View Post
    Does anyone know exactly when these are supposed to hit stores?
    Probably after Trek World in mid Aug

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    Quote Originally Posted by mn_biker View Post
    Will 650b wheels fit your bike? I was surprised to learn that my 2011 Fuel EX could fit front & back.
    Maybewhocares, its not orange...plus the new frame had updated geo and is lighter. This being said the Slash 26 is a great bike and I would consider upgrading if out want for the wheel size change.

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    Has anyone here tried the Remedy / Slash 650b yet? I would think that some people will get to try them at Crankworx.

    Hopefully there will be some first impressions popping up soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclismo View Post
    Has anyone here tried the Remedy / Slash 650b yet? I would think that some people will get to try them at Crankworx.

    Hopefully there will be some first impressions popping up soon.
    I know some of the guys at Trek and I've heard them say the 650b Remedy was by far the best size wheel out of the three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclismo View Post
    Has anyone here tried the Remedy / Slash 650b yet? I would think that some people will get to try them at Crankworx.

    Hopefully there will be some first impressions popping up soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    is their floater thingy legit or just pure gimmick?
    Throw your leg over a Fuel EX or a Remedy 26". It's legit.

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    Is it safe to say now that Trek won't offer a 650b hardtail for 2014?

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    Having trouble deciding between the Slash and Remedy....how well do you all think the Slash will climb compared to the Remedy?

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