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    Specialized's statement/stance on 650b 2013

    The 650b question near the bottom of http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/news/ar...unched-34567/…

    As for going over to the much-hyped new wheel size of 650b (27.5in), Specialized openly said that they were reluctant to make the switch while there’s limited size-specific equipment available (forks, wheels, tyres, and so on) to let them do what they want.

    On top of that, they also remarked on the minimal difference you get jumping from 26in to 650b wheels compared to going from 26in to 29in wheels.

    Although there are no 650b machines for 2013, Specialized were quick to point out they wouldn’t rule it out in the future.

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    "Innovate or die"

    Pretty hard to innovate when you are waiting for everyone else to make stuff for you to use.

    Does that mean they only have one option left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    As for going over to the much-hyped new wheel size of 650b (27.5in), Specialized openly said that they were reluctant to make the switch while there’s limited size-specific equipment available (forks, wheels, tyres, and so on) to let them do what they want.
    I thought Specialized had their own lines of forks, wheels and tires..what else do they need?
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    "limited size-specific equipment available (forks, wheels, tyres, and so on) to let them do what they want. "

    Is this not a "zombie" excuse that went out window when Fox, RS, Enve, Schwalbe, Hutchinson to name a few companies, started selling 650b components this year.

    Spec's excuse might have made sense in 2010 and 2011, but not now.

    They are correct that the jump from 26 to 27.5 is not as dramatic as from 26 to 29. So what? Not all of characteristics of 29 are desirable. Which is one of the reasons for a middle size wheel.

    They will rule 27.5" in when and if other bike companies sell a lot of 27.5" bikes in 2013.

    Meanwhile Spec, Trek, Giant, Santa Cruz etc will market 29" while fans of their 26" bikes keep converting them to 27.5" with all those "unavailable" components. Missed opportunities there.


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    specialized died for me in the 90's

    they are just copy cats of everything. very conservative and nothing "special" at all.....

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    Buy an Intense.. I know I want one of the new Tracer 27s!

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    As much as I love my Epic, I do not love Specialized. They are always followers, NEVER innovators. They love to jump on bandwagons late and use their massive marketing ability to make people think they did it first and better than everyone else.
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    Its funny how some of us have been running 650b Spec bikes for a while now. And how the bike came alive when the new hoops and tires went on.

    That said my next bike will not have an S on the head tube.

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    Spec came along late in the game with 29ers. But once in, they did very well. Watching and waiting has worked for them before.

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    I think its refreshing that S not jumping the bandwagon basically says, "wait a minute - does anyone really need this marginal product?" And changing the wheel size following Gary Fisher intro of 29, is that really innovation anymore - I think its a no-brainer and more than anything just a way to make us want a new bike - which I always do anyway..

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    They will make one. Similar excuse they used with 29ers. They will come to the market with a well thought out 650B.

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    Aaaannnd....then sue everyone on their Rolodex that was doing it successfully, with the technology that they didn't invent.
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    Yep. Or they'll file patent applications for stuff already patented which they know about but won't mention on the application as prior art. Specialized is tooo invested in 29ers now to admit they went the wrong way on larger wheel sizes. But after all their team riders spend the whole season losing on 29ers to 650b riders, they will change their tune.
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    .... loosing to someone with 1.5" less dia wheels, you mean? If this continues, someone may start racing on 26" ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AxelH View Post
    .... loosing to someone with 1.5" less dia wheels, you mean? If this continues, someone may start racing on 26" ;-)
    Dang ... they should start racing with 36r's then. That thing should fly on the course with wheels of that size !!!

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    There is a large investment in designing and releasing a new product especially for a company like specialized that has interest in keeping their name intact. That being said, they said the same thing about 29ers and look where we are.
    They are still winning on 29ers
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshS View Post
    They are still winning on 29ers
    When the 650b guy isn't there Just j/k ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AxelH View Post
    .... loosing to someone with 1.5" less dia wheels, you mean? If this continues, someone may start racing on 26" ;-)
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    as much as i am a fan of 650b i think specs approach is smart. see how it plays out, and develop something well thought out if the market takes off. because despite more niche brands taking off the true test really come in 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    They will make one. Similar excuse they used with 29ers. They will come to the market with a well thought out 650B.
    I agree 100%. In fact they have a bunch of prototypes riding around places without
    the S badges, being quietly tested by S employees. Its being tight-lipped with bikes
    not being ridden at famous bike parks or on popular trails.

    The big S bike shops superstores aren't even privy to the testing as some minimum wage employee may take a pic of a S 650b post it somewhere and then it will be all over. So I bet the testing is like the military or GM, riding the thing around in flat black or gray somewheres.

    And don't think they didn't send a blue print to China for a rear carbon 650b triangle. Oh I can hear
    a front triangle snapping on their bench and the R&D dudes clapping after 1800lbs of pressure.

    These guys are only 2nd to Giant with bicycle world domination, so they have the bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AxelH View Post
    "wait a minute - does anyone really need this marginal product?"
    really?
    this is the 650b forum.
    This statement pretty much labels you as a Troll. Please return to the 29er forum...or whatever bridge you normally lurk under.

    my apologies if I misunderstood.

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    The MBA article even mentioned Spez may be trying out their own wheel size , possibly slightly bigger than a 650B. Haven't we already got that. 650A.

    But having all three wheel size bikes I can see where Spez is coming from. You can design a 29er to feel like a 650b and if you get it wrong , vice versa.

    That doesn't get around the other issues of 29er limitaions on large travel bikes and the sizing issue with 29ers and smaller riders.

    The sizing issue is not in the marketing speel for current 650B due to lack of short travel forks, which Spez can get mfg'd themselves.

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    Its truly amazing to me that so many people in this MTB market have to have their hands held and wait for a monolith like Specialized to do something before they will try it. The big four (Trek,Spec,SC,Giant) are going to be slow on the uptake because the have 29ers to sell.
    Why not reward the agility of smaller companies willing that are open to try new things. OR build a set of 27.5" wheels and put them on your current 26" bike if they will fit. Quit reading about it and do it. You may find that you dont have to wait for anyone. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    really?
    this is the 650b forum.
    This statement pretty much labels you as a Troll. Please return to the 29er forum...or whatever bridge you normally lurk under.

    my apologies if I misunderstood.
    Sorry, the name of the thread is S stance on 650. After having read x postings basically slagging of Specialised, I thought a small portion of understanding was in order.

    I'm happily riding a Scott 26". With regards to 26, 27.5 or 29... quite undecided really. From Norway, where the Trolls come from :-)

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    I saw in the XC forum that specialize is does not have 26" XC bike in their 2013 line-up. So all 29ers or long travel 26. So I get the impression that specilaized is looking at the 650b size, but is sending mixed signals for 2013. Two reasons. 1) To keep selling 29ers. 2) To buy time to work on their own650b.

    I ride a 26' hardtail. Not big fan of the numb feel of 29ers and I am starting to think 650b may be nice mix between teh 26 and 29" wheels for XC or short travel bikes ( HT or under 4") for guys wanting lighter more nimble bike. The reviews I have seen gives me the impression that 650b is the best of 29 and 26 together. Specialized has to experiment with this and find out for themselves. At least learn if the wheel size works and then determine if is is marketable and profitable.

    Personally I am going to sit back and watch and see. I have no need to change my bike or upgrade it right now, but when the time comes maybe 650b will be a clear winner. Maybe the fad will have passed? Who knows? The thing that I do know is that I have no desire to be an early adopter and potentially get stuck with dead end bike parts.
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    I could care less what Specialized does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post

    Personally I am going to sit back and watch and see. I have no need to change my bike or upgrade it right now, but when the time comes maybe 650b will be a clear winner. Maybe the fad will have passed? Who knows? The thing that I do know is that I have no desire to be an early adopter and potentially get stuck with dead end bike parts.
    If you are riding a conversion there are no worries about being "stuck" with dead parts. If 650b goes away, I will ride the crap out of the 650b parts I have until they die. I happen to have extra rims and a lot of tires, so that will be a while. By the time I kill all the 650b parts (just wheels and tires) if replacements are unavailable the bike can be returned to 26" to sell or simply parted out.

    At the very least, if 650b goes away, being an early adopter I have been able to ride for years on the best bike I have ever ridden.
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    I couldn't care less, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by 88 rex View Post
    I could care less what Specialized does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    If you are riding a conversion there are no worries about being "stuck" with dead parts. If 650b goes away, I will ride the crap out of the 650b parts I have until they die. I happen to have extra rims and a lot of tires, so that will be a while. By the time I kill all the 650b parts (just wheels and tires) if replacements are unavailable the bike can be returned to 26" to sell or simply parted out.

    At the very least, if 650b goes away, being an early adopter I have been able to ride for years on the best bike I have ever ridden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AxelH View Post

    I'm happily riding a Scott 26". With regards to 26, 27.5 or 29... quite undecided really.
    If you like Scott bikes , you soon will have to decide between 27.5 and 29. 26 is being phased out: starting with 2013 Genius. Only available as 27.5 and 29.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    Personally I am going to sit back and watch and see. I have no need to change my bike or upgrade it right now, but when the time comes maybe 650b will be a clear winner. Maybe the fad will have passed? Who knows? The thing that I do know is that I have no desire to be an early adopter and potentially get stuck with dead end bike parts.
    Relax. The early adopters did it in 2009 and 2010. At that time, very few forks tires and rims available. Now in 2012, Fox and RS forks, many new tires and rims. 2013 many new bikes.

    It's too late to be an early adopter . Now you would be jumping onto a bandwagon, safe bet that the parts are not dead end.


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    Same as what they said about 29ers, I'm sure they are working away on 650b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    If you are riding a conversion there are no worries about being "stuck" with dead parts. If 650b goes away, I will ride the crap out of the 650b parts I have until they die. I happen to have extra rims and a lot of tires, so that will be a while. By the time I kill all the 650b parts (just wheels and tires) if replacements are unavailable the bike can be returned to 26" to sell or simply parted out.

    At the very least, if 650b goes away, being an early adopter I have been able to ride for years on the best bike I have ever ridden.
    I don't think 650b will ever go away. The big boys will start plugging them out at
    their Taiwan factories soon. But the name 650b may go away as it may be re badged as a 27". (easier to mass market)

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    no 650 from the big s and 650 coming from smaller companies , what is a man to do except get him self a 650 b from one of the smaller guys and make them a big guy..
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Relax. The early adopters did it in 2009 and 2010. At that time, very few forks tires and rims available. Now in 2012, Fox and RS forks, many new tires and rims. 2013 many new bikes.

    It's too late to be an early adopter . Now you would be jumping onto a bandwagon, safe bet that the parts are not dead end.


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    650b is not in the bandwagon yet. I have never seena 650b on a trail ever. 29ers are all over the place and getting one of those is jumping on the bandwagon. 650 is still cutting edge stuff. You can't just get 650b tires, wheels, tubes just anywhere right now like you can with 26 or 29. I am not saying it won't get there, but it is not there now.
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    Let's see, Specialized has been around for what,30 years? I just read an interview with Mike S in which he was saying that it is his goal to is to make sure Specialized is a forever company. The effect of not selling 650b for a couple of seasons on the big picture? 0. They have the next 30+ years to continue to sell bikes. I don't think they need to rush anything to market, they are not going away, neither is the wheel size. Plenty of time for new and old customers to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    650b is not in the bandwagon yet. I have never seena 650b on a trail ever. 29ers are all over the place and getting one of those is jumping on the bandwagon. 650 is still cutting edge stuff. You can't just get 650b tires, wheels, tubes just anywhere right now like you can with 26 or 29. I am not saying it won't get there, but it is not there now.
    well said. I haven't seen a 650b at a race this year either. I would love to try one out because I do not feel like my position is low enough on my 29er. I have a plan, but I am excited about a 650b.
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    +2 on this. I've never seen a 650b on the trail (besides mine) and in our metro area of 1,000,000+ people, I've never seen a 650b anything (tire, tube, rim) in a bike shop.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    650b is not in the bandwagon yet. I have never seena 650b on a trail ever. 29ers are all over the place and getting one of those is jumping on the bandwagon. 650 is still cutting edge stuff. You can't just get 650b tires, wheels, tubes just anywhere right now like you can with 26 or 29. I am not saying it won't get there, but it is not there now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    650b is not in the bandwagon yet. I have never seena 650b on a trail ever. 29ers are all over the place and getting one of those is jumping on the bandwagon. 650 is still cutting edge stuff. You can't just get 650b tires, wheels, tubes just anywhere right now like you can with 26 or 29. I am not saying it won't get there, but it is not there now.
    No reason to split hairs. I would label 29'ers "mainstream". I agree 650b is still in its infancy, but is the new hot trend. I don't think it will disappear in the foreseeable future so that parts will become unavailable. 3 wheel sizes are here to stay.

    P.S. 26" tubes fit 650b for those who use tubes. :-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    +2 on this. I've never seen a 650b on the trail (besides mine) and in our metro area of 1,000,000+ people, I've never seen a 650b anything (tire, tube, rim) in a bike shop.
    Ours is a $5,000,000 a year store. We have sold exactly to items 650B related so far. A pair of Nevegal tires, I bought them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    Ours is a $5,000,000 a year store. We have sold exactly to items 650B related so far. A pair of Nevegal tires, I bought them.
    What bike brands do you carry? If Spec, Giant, Trek, Santa Cruz, C'dale then by definition you won't be selling 650b bikes in 2013. If any of the microbrews that will be making 650b, I would guess you will sell them out and may even have waiting lists by summer

    No doubt 2013 will be make or break for 650b bikes. If big sales of inventory by the little companies, then those big companies will be selling them 2014 and they will become mainstream. If not, they won't disappear but will remain niche.


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    One of the brands we sell will have a 650b model for 2013, I'm totally excited about it. Lucky for us we sell a big and a microbrew brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddle Up View Post
    One of the brands we sell will have a 650b model for 2013, I'm totally excited about it. Lucky for us we sell a big and a microbrew brand.
    I'd call you wise over "lucky'


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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    really?
    this is the 650b forum.
    This statement pretty much labels you as a Troll. Please return to the 29er forum...or whatever bridge you normally lurk under.

    my apologies if I misunderstood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    When did MTBR become so close minded?

    Oh wait - its always had dweebs like you.

    Carry on then
    There is nothing open minded about staring flame wars with stupid blanket statements. Your post is very off topic, if you want to discuss open mindness and intellectual qualities of mtbr audience, I suggest you choose a different forum to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    When did MTBR become so close minded?

    Oh wait - its always had dweebs like you.

    Carry on then
    Calling out a troll is not close minded. Find the right forum, post an on topic comment, and all is well. Go to a forum and post a comment for no reason but to start a fight or to advance an agenda, you will be called out.

    You contribute nothing of value or substance here. Why don't you find a forum you like and carry on? Troll.


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    I'll be riding and testing two 650b bikes. I'm interested in the wheelsize. I think it has potential

    All I see is the defensiveness of you dwt and you StiHacka and you reformed roadie. ESPECIALLY you dwt. You're hostile to any discussion negative of 650b. Such small mindedness is bewildering. What made you so petty?

    EDIT: or maybe I'm identifying random knee-jerk responses to some perceived slight of something in which all of you are emotionally invested. In which case, I apologize and will resume passive reading and leave everyone to not-so-friendly debates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    All I see is the defensiveness of you dwt and you StiHacka and you reformed roadie. ESPECIALLY you dwt. You're hostile to any discussion negative of 650b. Such small mindedness is bewildering. What made you so petty?
    Not wanting to play devils advocate here but could you point to me where you find anything substantial or at least non-inflammatory in this ?

    .... loosing to someone with 1.5" less dia wheels, you mean? If this continues, someone may start racing on 26" ;-)
    OK, they could have given a better response but when you fish for insults you might get some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    I'll be riding and testing two 650b bikes. I'm interested in the wheelsize. I think it has potential

    All I see is the defensiveness of you dwt and you StiHacka and you reformed roadie. ESPECIALLY you dwt. You're hostile to any discussion negative of 650b. Such small mindedness is bewildering. What made you so petty?

    EDIT: or maybe I'm identifying random knee-jerk responses to some perceived slight of something in which all of you are emotionally invested. In which case, I apologize and will resume passive reading and leave everyone to not-so-friendly debates.
    Really? First let me get defensive against being accused of being defensive of a wheel size. Count how many of my posts where I said " there is no one size fits all" "there is no best wheel size"; "All 3 wheel sizes have strong and weak points depending on rider skill and size, terrain and intended use of the bike"; "there will always be room for 3 mtb wheel sizes."

    I am indeed hostile to those I perceive as being know it alls or having a superiority complex; 29'er cool aid drinkers; and people who come into a forum trolling and calling people "dweebs" , then accusing others of being hostile.

    Dude, you need to take a good long look in the mirror.


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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    Not wanting to play devils advocate here but could you point to me where you find anything substantial or at least non-inflammatory in this ?



    OK, they could have given a better response but when you fish for insults you might get some.
    good callout daniel- you're absolutely correct. I fished and it worked vvvvv


    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Really? First let me get defensive against being accused of being defensive of a wheel size. Count how many of my posts where I said " there is no one size fits all" "there is no best wheel size"; "All 3 wheel sizes have strong and weak points depending on rider skill and size, terrain and intended use of the bike"; "there will always be room for 3 mtb wheel sizes."

    I am indeed hostile to those I perceive as being know it alls or having a superiority complex; 29'er cool aid drinkers; and people who come into a forum trolling and calling people "dweebs" , then accusing others of being hostile.

    Dude, you need to take a good long look in the mirror.
    dwt - you're an angry man. Why I don't know. Your comments are hostile and typify the worst of judgementalism. I hope your day improves!
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