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    Ritchey P-650b build

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    Fork: Fox F100 RLC FIT 2012 15mm QR

    Headset: Cane Creek 110 drop in
    Stem: Pro XCR 110mm
    Handlebar: Pro XCR 20mm Carbon riser

    Brakes: Hope Race X2 & saw tooth 160 floating rotors- blue ano

    Shifters: XTR M970 9 Speed & Hope matchmakers
    Front Derailleur: Dura-ace & Spleen adapter
    Rear Derailleur: XTR M970GS
    Derailleur Cables: XTR
    Cassette: XT m770 11-34
    Chain: XT
    Cranks: XT 180mm m770
    Chainrings: 24 & 38t e-13
    Bottom Bracket: Chris King ceramic-blue ano
    Pedals: ATAC XS

    Hub Skewers: Hope/ Fox
    Rims: Stans ZTR crest 32 hole
    Hubs: Hope Pro 2 Evo- Red ano
    Spokes: Wheelsmith XL custom cut/threaded & Alloy nipples
    Tyres: Kenda Karma 2.0 650b

    Saddle: Charge Knife ti
    Seatpost: Enve 27.2 straight.
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    Very cool. Can't wait to see it built up.

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    Cool! What size frame and how much does the frame weight?

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    Wow, a true dream bike. Never noticed the interesting disc mount and the slight bow of the seatstays just before the dropouts...beautiful work for sure. Congrats, and be sure to update pics of the build!
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    She's a 19" frame with a 65L0012 serial number so she's pretty special.

    Weight sits around the 2kg range, I tried measuring her on the wife's digital kitchen scales but not very accurate. Built up she should be in the 11kg ball park. Pretty sweet for a steel frame 650b hardtail .

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    F'in sweet gorgeous lady, this is a girl Roy Orbison would sing about.

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    front wheel built & in the forks.

    have my front wheel build up with weights on the digital scales.

    xtr crest 650b hope Rro 2 Evo 15gr 723g
    with kenda karma 2.0, 160mm hope rotro, maxxis tube & cloth rim strip 1457g
    the old m717 disc rim hope pro 2 15gr it replaces weighs744g with a cloth rim strip.

    Pic of the wheel in the fox forks 10mm clearance from the top of a knob to the botton of the fork arch. so not really a winter ride, I don't mind that's what I have my single speed for

    a few more pics it begs the question could i have done all of this with my KHS frame, once the rear wheel is build I will check the clearance on the seat & chain stays. From all accounts it raises the BB by 20mm.
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    Man, I love those Ritchey frames. I should've got one when I had the chance (the P-29er). I have a SwissCross for CX and it's one of my favorite bikes. Beautiful.

    Good luck with the build, and make sure to post progress pics!

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    Never noticed the interesting disc mount and the slight bow of the seatstays just before the dropouts.

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    pics of the rear brake mounts on the chain/seat stays. Sweet drop outs too.
    unlike the ritchey web site pics the brake hose is run along the LH side of the top tube and down the seat stay.
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    Cool!

    Where'd you source the frame. LBS? Online?
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    through the LBS where I work Saturday mornings.

    I wanted a new frame to but didn't want a 29er so when I saw this I just had to get one. There are a few left at the importers here in NZ. But I bet they go pretty quickly once word gets out they have them.

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    curious what the frame weights?

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    well she is almost there,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Waiting for the headset, and the rear wheel to be built. The pics are less the head set & with the hope Pro 2 blue 26" rear wheel in. The new wheel will match the front red Hope Pro 2 Evo with the blue 160 rotor & blue QR.

    She feels sub 11kg............... Pretty good for a 19" steel frame. Once completed she will be going on the electronic scales
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    Looks super sweet!! I wish they did them in other colors - my wife needs a new frame and she won't go for a red white and blue scheme.

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    Big pimpin' points for the alternating red and blue hubs/qr's and the blue chainring bolts/bb cups. Well done, sir!
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    More Pic's ? What's it weigh ? Great build !

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    I have a 90's era P-23 with the rwb paint and I have to say, I'm impressed. Congrats!

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    Very nice. I rode with someone who was demoing the P- 29 version and they said the frame was not noticeably flexy, impressive for steel, they really liked it. Post up a ride report when you have some time on it.

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    finsihed the build weight 10.5kg

    will post an update once I have a few miles on her

    She's an impressive 10.5kg or 23.1lb
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    Have you taken it off any sweet jumps?

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    Nice bike and also from an extraordinary man. Tom Ritchie is about the opposite
    of Steve Jobs, yet as much popular icon one can be. He is very generous and offers frames (like the one you have) for many charity rides and events.

    Ritchey spear headed the Project Rwanda organization which does fund raising for poor
    Rwanda farmers whose families must walk for miles to water, the market and for medical attention.. It helps provides bikes and parts for those who cannot afford such luxuries.
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    Man, that turned out really nice, and at a really good weight for a steel hardtail. Only thing that could make the bike look better would be dirt plastered all over her from a long trail ride, which I'm sure you'll remedy in the near future!
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    she has been on a gravel road already so dust coated now, A session on the local single trails this pm. No mud at the moment as we are in summer in NZ 30+C everyday.

    First ride impressions she is surprisingly stiff for such small tubes, I sit more in the bike than my 26ers, yet she is very nimble and the weight or lack of it can be felt.

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    man that bike turned out SWEET. great weight, great look. Probably rides like a dream.

    My buddy just got a P29er he is building up too, going to send him this thread for inspiration.

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    Yep, I'm pretty sure that's what I want. But maybe with a different fork. I'm envious. Really nice build...

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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad View Post
    she has been on a gravel road already so dust coated now, A session on the local single trails this pm. No mud at the moment as we are in summer in NZ 30+C everyday.

    First ride impressions she is surprisingly stiff for such small tubes, I sit more in the bike than my 26ers, yet she is very nimble and the weight or lack of it can be felt.
    Tires? Are those 650 Karma's I see or was it a pic before you got your 650 wheelset built?
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Yes they are 650b Karma's, lite fast rolling tires!!

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    the Fox fork is pretty sweet, an Enve carbon rigid one would be an option that I may look into in the future if I want to drop some weight. But at the moment it's summer here and the trails are hard, fast and dusty. The enve or a niner would be perfect for winter

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    Well that's one way to eff up a good thread. Nice bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad View Post
    Yes they are 650b Karma's, lite fast rolling tires!!
    Yeah I have one in 29".

    Do you mind where you got them? Thnx
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Nice frame!
    I'm waiting to see it in person, but it hasn't arrived to Spain yet!
    It's one of the candidates for my next bike. Anyone knows the standover and BB height?
    Thanks!

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    Another Ritchey P-650b ;-)

    The steerer tube needs still to be reduced...and then it's ready!
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    Nice bike, always interesting to see a chromoly frame build.

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    I love seeing these bikes out in the wild! Handsome ride, cyclechris.

    Anybody see the fillet brazed one off at NAHBS? NAHBS 2013: Ritchey Shows Unobtanium Fillet Brazed Steel Hardtail, Plus 650B Wheels & Tires - Bike Rumor
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    Here is another one I found on the internet, this one was in Craigslist in Baltimore. It didn't have a seat in the original picture, so I photoshopped one in. I really like the all-back components look, it is what I plan to do when I pick up mine. Although my plan is for a suspension fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Yeah I have one in 29".

    Do you mind where you got them? Thnx
    I got them through my LBS where I work sat mornings. 534g per tire They are quite wide for a 2.0 tire like most kendas, but they are very sticky and g8 for dry trails.

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    After a four- or five-month wait, my 19" lobbed into the proverbial mailbox a couple of days ago. Really torn between a new school 2x10 XT-esque build-up, or pulling apart an old stager that's got some XTR M900 on it, plus a set of very old RaceFace Turbines. Didn't realise the headset was Campy drop-in, though - not a drama, but it does mean there's an extra flavour of headset in the family fleet now. Pics as I go...
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    Bump for updates on the ride, BB height, etc ...... thanks.

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    The BB height from ground to centre of the BB 310mm. 5mm lower than my steel 26" SS.
    Updates I have swapped the front Kama for a 2.1 Nev (100g heavier) with the trails now getting rain a more aggressive front tire was needed.
    I'm looking into getting a proper 650b fork for it as the Fox 32 RLC only has 12mm of clearance for mud, not enough for the sticky clay stuff I have here and there are no narrow mud tires as yet to stick on in 1.8 sizes.

    The ride is even better the more time I put on it. Blissful single track all day weapon of choice, climbs like a rocket, quick to get up to speed and it gets lots of attention being steel.

    Long term I may look at some enve rims, if my banker/wife will let me, it would benefit from stiffer wheels than the crests.
    All in all a fantastic ride.
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    Ritchey P-650b build

    I run the White Brothers Loop 120mm 650B fork on my Jamis Dragon 650. It's a great fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedalmunky View Post
    I love seeing these bikes out in the wild! Handsome ride, cyclechris.

    Anybody see the fillet brazed one off at NAHBS? NAHBS 2013: Ritchey Shows Unobtanium Fillet Brazed Steel Hardtail, Plus 650B Wheels & Tires - Bike Rumor
    It was lovely in person!

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    Conrad. I am deciding whether to order a 17 or a 19 inch frame. How tall are you and does the 19 fit you well? Thanks.

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    Conrad- how tall are you? I'm 5.11 and not sure whether to order a 17 or 19. Any help is appreciated.

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    me I'm 6'2" 90kg, the stem is a 110mm Pro xcr and the post an Enve zero offset. My xt cranks are 180mm m770 with 26/38 rings.
    I like to be centred over my bike (all my bikes are 19" ers), it's what I like/how I ride.
    The local fox importer is not bringing in any straight steerer float 32's in 650b. He will have to swap a crown etc over to build me up a fork. no white importer here, I could get some sids or maybe some DT swiss????????????????
    I might just save the $ for the enve rims. or I could get a get of demo 26" enve xc's with king hubs for my SS for $2200nz complete with 5 year warranty......................... decisions decisions

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    My 19-inch P-650b

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    Love my long-awaited P. Build one; 11-34 9spd SRAM with an ancient ESP 9.0 rear mech and X9 twisters, 38/24 Wick Werks rings on XT cranks and BB up front, some old Juicy 3s with fresh pads and fluid, Fox Float RLC 100mm w/ 15mm axle, Sun rims on Dice hubs, Ritchey stem and post. King cages, Ritchey headset. Now running Schwalbe RR 2.5s front and rear.

    Whipped up in a hurry with a heavy old SDG seat and freeridey Syncros bars, comes in at 11.7kg (25.7lb) - at 105kg, I'n not too concerned about ultra-light weight! Can easily take a kg off that, I reckon - in fact, I'm swapping the seat out for a Ritchey Marathon and the bars for some flatter Answer carbons tonight.

    First couple of rides have been great! Such a characterful bike. With a carbon post and about 26psi in the (tubed) rear, it's nowhere near as savage on my arse as I feared. It's nice and stable, too - apparently you go go 120mm on the fork, but I don't think I'd want to. Gas and go, basically... there's definitely some spring when you sprint it, but it's all part of the package. It's like driving a Lotus as compared to the WRX-esque Santa Cruz Blur XCc I've come off.

    I've always wanted a tri-colour Ritchey, and now I'm gonna ride the sh#t out of it.
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    Well done, Robbo, you've just made a bunch of us exceedingly jealous! Beautiful bike, with a well-executed build of old and new components. Have fun getting her dirty!
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    Me I;m 1.83cm or 6 foot 2 I ride with a 110mm stem & 20mm rise bars. with a 0 off set enve post. Your 3" shorter than me i would go for the 17"

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    wow that rear brake hose is hanging out there. I'm running hope race x2 and the banjo fitting makes it easy to follow the seat stay.
    G8 build enjoy it I'm running 26/38 rings on xt 180mm cranks.

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    Yeah, I know... no drama with that hose so far, but will switch to new-gen XTs with their fancy pivoting banjos when funds permit. Offends my aesthetic sensibilities, too, but waddya gunna do...
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    I,m buying one of this. What do you thing about installing a lefty on it?
    which headset do i nedd?
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    Mmmmmm I have seen pics of one with a lefty, it looked pretty good. Headset is a campy style drop in. I got a Ritchey WCS or you could bet one of those bling Cane Creek ones. I looked at them, but they had to order one from the states for me (wait 3 months ). The WCS is fine with lots of ceramic high quality grease.
    The more I ride it the more I like it. It turns heads with those uber small tubes, and my matching component spec. colour choices lol.

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    Man, this thing is gorgeous. Fantastic build.

    I have my eye on a 17" 650b.

    However, I am 5'8". I some 17's can feel a bit big on me, (I can handle a longer TT, I like being extended out a bit), but what about stand over? on my current 17, nuts to TT happens too often. But I know a 15" would be cramped...

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    stand over measurements

    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Man, this thing is gorgeous. Fantastic build.

    I have my eye on a 17" 650b.

    However, I am 5'8". I some 17's can feel a bit big on me, (I can handle a longer TT, I like being extended out a bit), but what about stand over? on my current 17, nuts to TT happens too often. But I know a 15" would be cramped...
    I have just measured my frame. Stand over at the head tube 880mm; at the seat tube 740mm. Plenty of clearance for me, but I'm blessed with long legs & a short torso. Hope this helps

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    Its irrelevant now, someone outbid me. Damn. I still want one. How tall are you?

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    me 6' 2" or 1.84m. I know there are still some here in NZ at the importers. They have only sold a 15" and my 19". From memory there is a couple of 17"s left (they only imported two of each size 15-19). Retail $1500NZ. I could sort one out for u if u are keen.

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    Thanks for the offer, but I dont want one that bad. The one I was bidding on went for 610, with a fork. It was a steal, but a budget is a budget.

    That said, I think I may go with a Pipedream, or a Cotic

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    mmmmmmmm that is a bargain.

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    Very nice builds!

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    See some nice buildouts here. Can't seem to locate a 650 susp fork with a straight 11/8" steerer, yet I see some fox forks on some of these bikes. How are you folks handling the susp fork setup?

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    I'm still on the 26-inch train up front; no issues to speak of yet. Thinking about a carbon Ritchey fork, but the dollars are scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nctrailhead View Post
    See some nice buildouts here. Can't seem to locate a 650 susp fork with a straight 11/8" steerer, yet I see some fox forks on some of these bikes. How are you folks handling the susp fork setup?
    One of the guys on here thats with White Bros(now MRP) said they can install straight 1/18th steer tube when you order from them.
    Also if your on a budget this velvet from x-fusion looks good.
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    Sid RLT3, Manitou Marvel and the Loop were the ones I was looking at. Magura may also have a 1 1/8 option.

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    Thanks for some good leads on a susp fork, sounds like it can be done. So some of you have had the bike for a few months now - what's the scoop? Would anyone care to divulge their experience with and opinion of it? How does it climb?

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    climbs like a dream :)

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    Thanks for some good leads on a susp fork, sounds like it can be done. So some of you have had the bike for a few months now - what's the scoop? Would anyone care to divulge their experience with and opinion of it? How does it climb?
    Well i have to admit I'm riding mine more and more (the SS less and less) as it is such a fun bike to ride. I looked at getting a xx1 group set but decided against it. Because I don't ride single trails as much as i used too.
    It climbs really well, nearly as well as a 29er but it is a lot easier on tight uphill switchback turns.
    Only down side is tire choice 2.2+ are just to heavy for this frame. 2.0-2.1 work best.

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    XX1 P-650b

    Here is a shot of my recently built P-650b. It's running XX1, XTR Brakes, Ritchey Superlogic Carbon bar and post, ENVE XC Hoops on DT Swiss 180 hubs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoedork View Post
    Here is a shot of my recently built P-650b. It's running XX1, XTR Brakes, Ritchey Superlogic Carbon bar and post, ENVE XC Hoops on DT Swiss 180 hubs.

    nice build

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    This is mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoedork View Post
    Here is a shot of my recently built P-650b. It's running XX1, XTR Brakes, Ritchey Superlogic Carbon bar and post, ENVE XC Hoops on DT Swiss 180 hubs.
    Very nice what kind of fork is on it?
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    g8 build

    Quote Originally Posted by shoedork View Post
    Here is a shot of my recently built P-650b. It's running XX1, XTR Brakes, Ritchey Superlogic Carbon bar and post, ENVE XC Hoops on DT Swiss 180 hubs.
    I've updated mine with the ritchey fork, SLR TT saddle and Revolution Components 30t ring with a m985 gs clutch rear d & m985 11-36 cassette. I am waiting for Revolution Components (a small NZ company but with g8 rings etc) to make me a 40t rear cog then I'm 11-40.
    The only issue I had was with my hope brakes not fitting on the ritchey fork; I just couldn't get them to not rub. So it looks likely I'll be getting a set of m987 brakes. Might as well get a set of m985 180mm cranks too. to complete the build

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    Here's mine.







    Went with sram 2x7 stuff
    White bros loop
    Dave's Wheels Custom King/Arch wheelset
    The new Avid Elixir TRAIL 7 Brakes (very nice)
    The bottle cage has the world cup rainbow which is a cool match to the Ritchey Decals.

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    got the m987 brakes on etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Pleiadian View Post
    Here's mine.







    Went with sram 2x7 stuff
    White bros loop
    Dave's Wheels Custom King/Arch wheelset
    The new Avid Elixir TRAIL 7 Brakes (very nice)
    The bottle cage has the world cup rainbow which is a cool match to the Ritchey Decals.
    nice build there

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    I built my P-650b w/ Ritchey Carbon rigid fork in spring '13
    SRAM XX1 w/ 36T CR
    XTR disk brakes
    Stan's Crest rims on DT240 hubs w/ Schwalbe Racing Ralph tubeless
    WCS CR260 Stem / WCS post / WCS Rizer carbon bar / Streem carbon rail saddle / XT clipless ped's
    20.3lbs

    Love this bike!
    But check the top tube / seat tube near the head tube often - mine has cracked just aft of the forward most cable braze-on. Warranty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
    Very nice what kind of fork is on it?


    Looks like the Ritchey fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mctee View Post
    I built my P-650b w/ Ritchey Carbon rigid fork in spring '13
    SRAM XX1 w/ 36T CR
    XTR disk brakes
    Stan's Crest rims on DT240 hubs w/ Schwalbe Racing Ralph tubeless
    WCS CR260 Stem / WCS post / WCS Rizer carbon bar / Streem carbon rail saddle / XT clipless ped's
    20.3lbs

    Love this bike!
    But check the top tube / seat tube near the head tube often - mine has cracked just aft of the forward most cable braze-on. Warranty!

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    ritchey_dave advise that no history of such P-650b issues exist. back on it later today!

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    In case anyone was curious, I found a headset that "looks" right on the ritchey fork. The fork's crown race area is 50mm in diameter, which is quite large for a 1-1/8 headset. It normally shows lip. I tried an FSA "the pig" headset on my Raleigh, perfect fit.

    I know this frame wont accept it, but I wanted to post it up as I had looked this up myself to now results. Pics if anyone wants em.

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    I am almost there, just need brakes. It has been a few months to get to this point (finding deals along the way). Can't wait to get on the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb_jeremy View Post
    I am almost there, just need brakes. It has been a few months to get to this point (finding deals along the way). Can't wait to get on the trails.

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    I've upgraded mine to 1 by 10 (xtr clutch gs rear, 11-36 cluster) with a ritchey carbon fork & m987 brakes. Popped her on the digi scales
    9.13kg just waiting for a 40t rear cog from revolution components to match my 30t thick/thin ring. Might even plum for a m9000 single ring crank set if they come in 180mm, when they get to NZ.

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    I have to be honest, I used your original build as a comparison when I was building mine up. Made a list of the parts you used and tried to get a little lighter on the weight of each component, hoping to get in the lower 22 pound range (9.9 kg). I am a little disappointed as I near the end of my build because it looks like it will be right at 23 pounds (10.4 kg). I am using tubes in the wheels for now, but I saw one note early on that you were too.

    I don't really want to give up the 2x gears or the fork, but I also can't say I am sad with the weight. The bike I am replacing is a 26" steel hardtail that is at least a half pound heavier, so beating that was the biggest goal at the end of the day.

    Did you ever weigh your frame alone? Seems like there is some variance with weights on Ritchey products. My frame (17") was 2150 grams.

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    it may be ur component mix

    Quote Originally Posted by mtb_jeremy View Post
    I have to be honest, I used your original build as a comparison when I was building mine up. Made a list of the parts you used and tried to get a little lighter on the weight of each component, hoping to get in the lower 22 pound range (9.9 kg). I am a little disappointed as I near the end of my build because it looks like it will be right at 23 pounds (10.4 kg). I am using tubes in the wheels for now, but I saw one note early on that you were too.

    I don't really want to give up the 2x gears or the fork, but I also can't say I am sad with the weight. The bike I am replacing is a 26" steel hardtail that is at least a half pound heavier, so beating that was the biggest goal at the end of the day.

    Did you ever weigh your frame alone? Seems like there is some variance with weights on Ritchey products. My frame (17") was 2150 grams.
    I'd drop the saddle for a Flite SLR ti, and go with a GS mid cage rear and a Dura-Ace 7800 front D with a Spleen top pull adaptor (85g). Front D's these days are bricks if you only want a 3x one; my m971 is 155g. Without knowing what else your specs are but tires/tubes make a big difference. My Karma's are 540g for 2.0 but the Nevegal 2.1 are 750; tubes Maxxis flyweight 26" 95g. So it all adds up/or down in this case.
    I never weighed the bare frame sorry. If you want I can send u my spec sheets for all my bikes. listing all the parts etc just pm me.

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    My finished race bike

    I finished getting everything the way that I wanted it. 20.9lbs 9.4kg

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    Ritchey bar, stem, post, seat
    Carbon rim/AC hub/CX Ray 1288g
    Next SL and X9 drivetrain

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    impressive wheel weight

    Quote Originally Posted by Drider85 View Post
    I finished getting everything the way that I wanted it. 20.9lbs 9.4kg

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    Ritchey bar, stem, post, seat
    Carbon rim/AC hub/CX Ray 1288g
    Next SL and X9 drivetrain
    Your wheels are 240g lighter than mine, well done I looked at Enve rims but the $ for saving >100g was too much to justify. What make of rim are you using and which AC hubs? My Hopes are a bit heavy but bullet proof.

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    Wow. Really nice build, D. Looks like a perfect race weapon.
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    Anyone with a Ritchey 650b running the Ritchey Vantage II wheels? Any feedback? Can get a deal on them and think they look good on a Ritchey bike.

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    I'm happy with my Hope/Stans combo a bit lighter than the Vantage II's

    Quote Originally Posted by russmu66 View Post
    Anyone with a Ritchey 650b running the Ritchey Vantage II wheels? Any feedback? Can get a deal on them and think they look good on a Ritchey bike.

    Cheers
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    My pic of my updated P-650b, just waiting to add the 40T rear cog and maybe a m9000 30T 180mm crank set when they get to NZ. Otherwise a perfect bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad View Post
    What make of rim are you using and which AC hubs? My Hopes are a bit heavy but bullet proof.
    I used Carbon MTB 27.5er Rim | Buy Online | Carbonality.com and they have been without fault. I did need to re tension the rear after a few hard rides (normal). So far after 2 races I am very pleased with the durability. I used 15mm AC front and QR rear (in 28 hole). For race day I like the AC hubs but on trail/play days at times I would prefer higher engagement.

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    I've got a few rides on this bike/build. I got the wheels for cheap. They are setup tubeless and decently light. The engagement feels a little lacking but I ride mostly 240s hubs.

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    As a side note: I had this fork already for a 9mm 26inch wheel and I found that Fox will sell you 650b lowers to ease the pain in trying to find a quality 1-1/8 steerer short travel fork. Tons of clearance up front now.
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    god news on thefork :)

    Quote Originally Posted by The SS Boz View Post
    I've got a few rides on this bike/build. I got the wheels for cheap. They are setup tubeless and decently light. The engagement feels a little lacking but I ride mostly 240s hubs.

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    As a side note: I had this fork already for a 9mm 26inch wheel and I found that Fox will sell you 650b lowers to ease the pain in trying to find a quality 1-1/8 steerer short travel fork. Tons of clearance up front now.
    I will look into the fox lower swap as I have a set of 2012 RLC lying around now and the extra clearance would be good for muddy rides.

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    frame weight

    Did you ever weigh your frame alone? Seems like there is some variance with weights on Ritchey products. My frame (17") was 2150 grams.[/QUOTE]


    I weighed my 17 - 2150g (4.74lb) - total bike is 21.25lb. Loving it (the 29er feels like a bus now) but wondering if I wouldn't be quicker with front suspension. The 29er never needed it but the jury is out on this one. My only quibble is the 1 1/8 steerer - I mean retro is good an' all, but....

    Photos attached of the goldilocks bike.
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    My frame weighted 2058g w/out bolts in size 15. I tried ridged but I like down hill speed to much . I have found that both for 29 and 27.5 I am faster with suspension. Both Fox and Magura make nice 1 1/8 forks.

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    Would someone who owns one of these be willing to do me a quick favor? Pretty please?

    I'd like to know how much width/clearance there is at the chain and seat stays. Can you tell me: 1) what size tire you have, 2)how wide it measures at the shoulder, and 3)how much room is available measured parallel to the axle rather than diagonally to the closest point on the stays? Snapshots would be appreciated too, but not necessary.

    More specifically, I am wondering if a pair of Surly 26x2.75" Dirt Wizard tires, on something like 45mm rims, might fit. Dirt wizards on Velocity Duallys appear to be about 70mm wide at the shoulder, and 27.5" tall overall.

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    Wanted to revive the thread since pictures were just posted of the 2015 model P-650b at Eurobike 2014. The frame has been updated with a tapered headtube (sad I didn't get this since fork options are limited, but not that big of a deal).

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    Ritchey 2015: new bars, stems, wheels and more from Eurobike - BikeRadar

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    I guess they're better (still not convinced about that tho) but tapered head tubes are ugly on steel frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by team_wee View Post
    I guess they're better (still not convinced about that tho) but tapered head tubes are ugly on steel frames.
    I farking love the color. Be it aesthetically pleasing or not... it is much easier to find a sus fork with a tapered headtube these days, much to my consternation. So i get the change, but I'm with you.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    I would have bought a P650b, but the straight head tube made me decide against it for the long term. I figured it would be better to wait for a tapered one so I can find a good replacement in 10 years. Good news on the tapered fork, I may build one up now!!!!

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    Ritchey P-650b build-ritchey.jpg

    Yeah, the fork thing is becoming a bit of a PITA. Amazing how quickly the straight steerer disappeared.

    Luckily, my Fox Float is still going strong (even though it's a - gasp! - 26" model), so no need to panic quite yet. X-Fusion's Velvet still comes in a straight steerer, and is a surprisingly nice fork. And there's always the rigid option.

    Some new wheels, a cassette rebuild and some tidying up for my P this weekend - pics next week.
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    nearly there, just need everything else. rigid 1x11 'di2?'
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    di2 hmmmmmmmmmm when the cost comes down

    Quote Originally Posted by real ss budgie View Post
    nearly there, just need everything else. rigid 1x11 'di2?'
    Yeah once the cost comes down xtr di2 to a reasonable level.
    I am loving my 10 spd 11-40 (Revolution Components 40T cog) 1by10, it shifts as well as my m980 cluster. Just a simple screw in the b-tension screw and all sweet to ride. Swapped on my Enve bars and stem and perfection. 10.5kg with the 2.1's and Fox 32 RLC forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conrad View Post
    Yeah once the cost comes down xtr di2 to a reasonable level.
    I am loving my 10 spd 11-40 (Revolution Components 40T cog) 1by10, it shifts as well as my m980 cluster. Just a simple screw in the b-tension screw and all sweet to ride. Swapped on my Enve bars and stem and perfection. 10.5kg with the 2.1's and Fox 32 RLC forks.
    if not di2, then cable xtr 11 speed, if i can sneak under 10ks with a ritchey carbon fork and other carbon goodies i'll be chuffed.

    next part: fork headset

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    under 10kg easy

    Quote Originally Posted by real ss budgie View Post
    if not di2, then cable xtr 11 speed, if i can sneak under 10ks with a ritchey carbon fork and other carbon goodies i'll be chuffed.

    next part: fork headset
    Mine with the ritchey carbon fork & 1by10 is 9.1kg with kenda kama 2.0's on. If i swap my m770 xt cranks for m985's or the new m9020 180's it will be close or just under 9kg. If i go with carbon Stan's valour rims it might even sneak into the 8.8 kg range.

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