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    Norco Range 650b

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    Just the marketing spew. More to come hopefully this week in between bouts of riding
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    I know I'm a tool, but I NEED the killer b-1. Amazing bike....

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    Mike Levy of Pinkbike on the Range - Norco Range Killer B - First Ride - Pinkbike
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    Cool!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    Mike Levy of Pinkbike on the Range - Norco Range Killer B - First Ride - Pinkbike
    Not wanting to diss anyone but his last statement makes no sense at all
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    Wow, some feisty arguments in the comments section on that link. Human nature to resist change but it's soooo obvious so many of the opponents to 650B on PB haven't ridden one and haven't educated themselves at all before opening their big fat mouths with nothing but opinion to back it up. Let the 3 wheel sizes rock but I'm thinking all but the downhill bikes are gonna slowly migrate away from the 26" standard. The benefits are real for 650B.
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    the bike looks awesome but what really uninspires me is that the name Killer B was already used by carver...

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    Not wanting to diss anyone but his last statement makes no sense at all
    Which statement daniel? This? "The Range did perform well in its intended environment, though, but we feel that it is down to the entire package - the sorted suspension, geometry with a DH slant, and a solid frame - rather than just the bike's 650B wheels. "
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    I agree with Manny, Killer B was already used. I'd use names like
    AbsorB, Beauty, KaboB, etc Nice bikes and tip my hat off to Norco,
    that is an expensive risk but needless to say a good one and proactive
    for future business.

    Regarding that PinkBike review, I'd have to disagree on the part about 650b
    and the meh type of summary. Its hard NOT to notice that you're riding a 26er.
    Its like someone NOT noticing that you've stepped on dogshit.
    I guess you have to ride 650b for a while to really appreciate it.

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    Do you guys really notice it? Granted it was just my first ride but it was a 1300m descent (with some odd climbs). It was so much fun I forgot what wheel size it was.
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    Some pictures







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    love that bike! you'll always have some non-believers that aren't impressed tho.
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    ^^^ possible POTD

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    I'm not going to lie, I don't notice as much as I did my 29er. In fact, I have to say that I can't recommend everybody go out and drop their 26ers in favor. I do think it's a worthwhile upgrade, and I think that if one were to buy a new bike, 650b is the way to go, but it's not a critical upgrade the way a 29er can be.

    It's a bit of a give and take though, part of the reason 650b works so well is that it doesn't make you realize you're riding big wheels. You know when you're on a 29er. You can address those concerns but you still have to deal with them. I don't _know_ that i'm on a 650b when I hop on my bike. It just feels like a mountain bike, and that's a very good thing. It just rolls a little better, and just like a 29er, it allows you to get away with less suspension and is therefore more efficient.

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    LeeL,

    Do you know if they plan on offering the green and blue Range as a frame only?

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    Is Norco going to make any 80- 120 mm travel FS 650B bikes with tighter geometry, specifically, steeper head angles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qfactor03 View Post
    LeeL,

    Do you know if they plan on offering the green and blue Range as a frame only?

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    There'll be frame only but full details and pricing won't be finalized till later in the year. Interbike? The builds are pretty nice and 650b parts are in short supply so building that frame might be a problem!
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    Quote Originally Posted by morkys View Post
    Is Norco going to make any 80- 120 mm travel FS 650B bikes with tighter geometry, specifically, steeper head angles?
    Not that I know of. Anyone else know?
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    I am an admitted SC fan boy, but I may have to make a switch..that is a really nice, well thought out bike.

    I find it difficult to understand how anyone says it's not a noticeable difference from 26" to 650b.
    A while back, after riding 650b wheels for over a year, and prior to that 650b front/ 26" rear, I had to use 26" wheels front and rear. It was immediately apparent that they lacked the roll over grip/contact of the 650b wheels...and I had a tubeless High Roller on the front! (v. a 2.35 Neo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    Do you guys really notice it? Granted it was just my first ride but it was a 1300m descent (with some odd climbs). It was so much fun I forgot what wheel size it was.
    I've been on a 29er SS since 2005 and was splitting time between that and a Turner Six Pack for a while. Sold the Turner about a year and a half ago and bought a short travel FS 29er.

    I notice the difference in wheel size between 26" and 29" but I find that most comments about wheel size I read online exaggerate those differences pretty badly compared to my experience. I imagine the real difference is even less when you're comparing to an in between size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post

    I find it difficult to understand how anyone says it's not a noticeable difference from 26" to 650b.
    A while back, after riding 650b wheels for over a year, and prior to that 650b front/ 26" rear, I had to use 26" wheels front and rear. It was immediately apparent that they lacked the roll over grip/contact of the 650b wheels...and I had a tubeless High Roller on the front! (v. a 2.35 Neo)
    I think you hit the nail on the head. It's when you have to go BACK to a 26" wheel the difference becomes obvious. Going from 26 to 650B in the front first was quite noticeable to me and a seamless transition. I think for some people it's not so noticeable because the bike still feels pretty much like a 26'r unlike when you go to 29 it's a big difference. When I had to use my rear 26" wheel recently the thing felt downright harsh compared to the 650B. Front would be even worse case IMO. I think in the case of the Norco it would be great to have a back to back test with the 26" Sight vs the 650B Sight. Real world apples to bigger apples
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    Which statement daniel? This? "The Range did perform well in its intended environment, though, but we feel that it is down to the entire package - the sorted suspension, geometry with a DH slant, and a solid frame - rather than just the bike's 650B wheels. "
    My fault, i expressed myself wrong ! I should have said "his last thoughts about the bike".
    Not just this but this guy at pinkbike puts it pretty nicely,

    "while physics prove that 650B wheels carry more momentum over bumps than smaller wheels, that doesn't mean that the bike as a whole will perform better overall on the trail."


    Is the author on crack? Just because the wheels perform better, doesn't mean the bike will perform better? Better performing wheels are the biggest improvement you can make to ANY bike. They need to compare the bike back to back with an identical 26" wheeled bike. This really is the point of 650b. You get the better rolling, and don't notice the problems as you do with 29ers.
    He just spent the entire article saying how good the bike felt and performed yet in the end all he could think of was how many times he could say that it weren't the wheels that made the bike ride how it rode.

    Has much as i enjoy reading his articles, it's hard to take any review seriously when the author is so resistive to the product he's reviewing ... to the point where he says, at this late into the size wars, that the manufacturers interest in 650b is purely driven by "curiosity".
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    I just tore down a Banshee Rune that had very little use on it and had a high end build spec. I would only need wheels/tires and fork. I'm assuming the Fox 34 160 would be the toughest component for me to find??? I'm also interested in the new Rune, but not sure about the sizing when using the 650b configuration. The 2011 that I currently have is way small for me at 6-4 due to the seat angle and reach.

    Thanks for the info.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    There'll be frame only but full details and pricing won't be finalized till later in the year. Interbike? The builds are pretty nice and 650b parts are in short supply so building that frame might be a problem!

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    So Lee do you believe that the 650b have any benefits at all or are you just catering Norco marketing to us keyboard jockeys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    So Lee do you believe that the 650b have any benefits at all or are you just catering Norco marketing to us keyboard jockeys?
    With one ride? I don't do those kinds of reviews or make those kinds of conclusions without lots more time on bike.
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    I liked you original answer with the words "BS answer" and "regurgitated pap" better, it felt a little more honest. Thanks for reporting on the latest bikes from Norco to us wankers even if I am not quite sure why you do it when 650b is such a drag,

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    The original answer seemed kind of rude. I haven't come to any conclusion about the tire size. Ideally I'd like to ride the 26" version and the 650b version of a bike back to back on the same trails to come forward with any kind of intellectually honest answer. Also I don't know why you make the comment "650b is such a drag".
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    Nevermind, please excuse the grumpy me, I did not intend to derail this thread that many must find very useful.

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    Does anyone know when the Range and Sight 650b will be available? The geometry for the Sight is bang on in my book and I would love to get a frame to move over the parts from my 650b transAM (except for the fork).

    For what its worth, I found the TransAM to be a much better bike with 650b wheels. 26ers still have their place for DJ and DH, but for trail riding they are dead to me. Maybe a few years down the line I will get a clown wheel hardtail to go with the Sight.

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    My Norco dealer is expecting October delivery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Wow, some feisty arguments in the comments section on that link. Human nature to resist change but it's soooo obvious so many of the opponents to 650B on PB haven't ridden one and haven't educated themselves at all before opening their big fat mouths with nothing but opinion to back it up. Let the 3 wheel sizes rock but I'm thinking all but the downhill bikes are gonna slowly migrate away from the 26" standard. The benefits are real for 650B.
    It won't be too long before we see how things will be playing out.

    I think another reason PinkBike readers dish 650b is because the wheel size does not have cred in the AM world yet. All kinds of theory as to why AM travel and 650b wheels are a match made in heaven, but the new AM bikes are just coming out. Mt. Dew drinking PinkBike readers need to see a bunch of pros and very cool people riding the bikes, and winning events on them, before their attitudes will change. Nino Schurter winning the WC and getting Silver Medal in the Olympics in XC on a Scale 700 HT totally off their radar.

    Either follow the crowd, or demo a bike and see personally
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandwich View Post
    I'm not going to lie, I don't notice as much as I did my 29er. In fact, I have to say that I can't recommend everybody go out and drop their 26ers in favor. I do think it's a worthwhile upgrade, and I think that if one were to buy a new bike, 650b is the way to go, but it's not a critical upgrade the way a 29er can be.

    It's a bit of a give and take though, part of the reason 650b works so well is that it doesn't make you realize you're riding big wheels. You know when you're on a 29er. You can address those concerns but you still have to deal with them. I don't _know_ that i'm on a 650b when I hop on my bike. It just feels like a mountain bike, and that's a very good thing. It just rolls a little better, and just like a 29er, it allows you to get away with less suspension and is therefore more efficient.
    Exactly correct. Of course 650b is not as noticeably different from 26" as a 29'er is. But it is different. So the question for each rider trying bigger wheels is whether they like or need going all the way to the wagon wheel, or whether the tweener is the best of both worlds. Many used to 29" will not be impressed with the tweener -and will call it the worst of both worlds .Heavier ands less agile than 26, but not near enough extra roll as the 29"

    Which is why there will be 3 wheel sizes available for the foreseeable future. I see no need or any of them to go extinct. Different strokes, different terrain, different rider size, different rider ability, and all that.
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    Norco bikes look fantastic

    Not sure what all the angst about the Norco reviews on Pinkbike is all about. They sounded pretty stoked on the bikes. They posted some nice pictures. I personally am thrilled there are more choices and that Fox has added 650b to their line-up of components. I've ridden 26ers since early 80's tried and ridden 29ers and have been riding a 650b bike since January 2012. The 650b wheel size and bike geometry fit my riding style personally and I won't be buying either of the two sizes now or in the future. It is great 650b is catching on in the mainstream. There will be more bikes and components to choose from. The greatest thing to come of the Norco bikes is more people will see them, want them and ride them. I'm really confident once people try a 650b they will want one of their own. I don't want any size to go away it just gives every size, shape, weight, style rider that perfect bike for them. More is better! That's the american way isn't it?
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    Nice bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    Some pictures


    Is it me, or is there a striking resemblance here?

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    Perhaps some, but there is only so many variations on the same thing...that can be created. Lots of bleed-over between manufacturers, and bike geometry/suspension design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    Pretty funny and I would have to agree

    My daughter has a 2010 Safire Comp which looks like the Norco and my GF has a 2012 Safire Comp that looks like the new Altitude. Guess you can only do so much with FSR (Horst Link) suspension and make it look really different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    Looks like a Trek
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    Looks like a Trek
    Other than the curved downtube at the BB, split in the TT where it joins the seat tube and Horst-link...sure.
    Doesn't share the bulging tapered headtube, but then tapered forks weren't ubiquitous the way they are now.

    While there are only so many variations you can do with a Horst-link bike, if you look at the evolution of the Spesh Enduro, it seems they have tried them all.

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