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    my '10 specialized epic comp carbon 650b

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    tires are kenda nevegal 2.35 front and 2.1 rear

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    That looks nice. Seems to have lots of room.

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    thanks. definitely a lot more clearance than i thought it would have.

    i haven't ridden it yet except in front of the house on the street and it definitely feels taller. can't wait to get it on the dirt.

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    The only problem I see is a little slower steering and not as stable since the COG (center of gravity) is about .75 inches taller now. Be interested to see how it handles.

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    so i finally took it out for a short ride...

    first, i'm coming from 2.2 racing ralphs' front/rear when it was 26" so i should have picked up the same tires instead of the 2.35 nevegals in front and 2.1 in the rear for a better comparison. i did shop for 29ers but looking at a small frame, it just didn't feel right. i looked at the BMC team elite and i think it was the salsa spearfish and the usual trek and specialized products. didn't like any of them.

    anyway, from my house, it is about a 2 mile uphill ride on the road to the trail. i definitely felt taller and really noticed the bigger 2.35 tires up front. i didn't notice a difference in the ride and almost questioned if it was worth the change to 650b.

    once i hit the dirt....WOW...what a difference. i was on a pretty technical single track with packed dirt with random rodent/snake holes throughout the trail with some areas on slick rock/boulder. i used to have to lift the front wheel slightly to go over holes, up through the rocky section or when ruts cross the trail. but now, i felt it just rolled over everything. it was smoother and less work.

    on the downhill, it did feel it reacted a bit slower but at the same time, i didn't feel i had to avoid all the holes, ruts and rocks i used to because of the smooth rollover. the downhill is where i felt the higher center of gravity as well. the best way to describe it is if your 26" bike is like standing on the lowest step on a ladder, 650b feels like i'm on the 2nd or 3rd step on a 6 step ladder. not bad enough to throw you off balance but noticeable.

    overall, i'm really happy with the change and feel like the epic works great with 650b. can't wait to do more rides this weekend.
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    Nice. I'm about to get it on as well. 2009 Epic Expert Carbon, 650b Flows, Ralphs and a new Rock Shox 650b Revelation. Very excited to get this bike built and on the trails.
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    thanks junglekid5!

    GC...you wont be disappointed. it gets better every time i ride it. make sure you post up a pic of yours when you're done.
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    Here's the before...
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    I wish it was so easy to convert a '10 Epic Expert. The SID fork it comes with makes it a bit more annoying to do.

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    nice starting point GC..

    yeah, converting to 650b was the only time i was happy i didn't get the expert (more like couldn't afford LOL). my buddy bought an expert the same time i bought my comp.
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    So, i'm trying to figure out how the Specialized Epic range fits together.

    anyone willing to assist a bit, looking at the 2010 2011 and 2012 models.
    including the S-works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgelza View Post
    So, i'm trying to figure out how the Specialized Epic range fits together.

    anyone willing to assist a bit, looking at the 2010 2011 and 2012 models.
    including the S-works.

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    I am not sure exactly what you are asking. I can tell you that the best fit for 650b is any 2010 Epic with an alloy rear triangle (basically any Epic but the S works which does not fit 650b). The 2010 has tons of room and will fit any currently available 650b tire with room to spare. For 2011 and 2012 all models fit 650b in the back, but it is tight and you likely cannot fit any of the larger tires like a Nevegal 2.3, Neo 2.3 or Wolverine 2.2. You may also want to check out my thread here which has info and pics of various years.

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    LJS.

    thanks for the information. very valuable. interesting about what you saying about the 2011/2012, pity, would have loved a newer frame.

    when I mentioned: how the range fits together. I understand the comp is the value model, followed towards the top of the line s-works.

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    LJS has a lot of information in his thread if you want to convert an epic. for carbon, comp is the lower model, then expert and s-works is at the top. both expert and s-works use a rock shox fork so it might not take 650b.

    my bike is pretty much stock except for stem, bars and seatpost. all i did was swap the wheels with no other adjustments.

    let me know if you have any other questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by georgelza View Post
    LJS.

    thanks for the information. very valuable. interesting about what you saying about the 2011/2012, pity, would have loved a newer frame.

    when I mentioned: how the range fits together. I understand the comp is the value model, followed towards the top of the line s-works.

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    The models have changed slightly over the years, but it basically looks like this:

    Epic
    Epic Comp
    Epic Expert
    Epic Marathon
    Epic S Works

    Comp and Expert are full alloy models, and each has a carbon version with a carbon front triangle with rear alloy triangles. Components are basically the same between a carbon and alloy of the same designation. Marathon has a carbon front and alloy rear and I think most, if not all of the s works parts. The carbon front triangle may also be a higher end carbon like the s works.

    Fox and Specialized Future Shocks fit 650b. The Expert models have the SID which does not fit. But it is easy enough to sell the SID and get something that fits.
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    Hi LJS

    thanks, exactly what I was looking for.

    And basically you're saying stick to 2010.
    for 2011/2012 the back is fine? problem is with the front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    The models have changed slightly over the years, but it basically looks like this:

    Epic
    Epic Comp
    Epic Expert
    Epic Marathon
    Epic S Works

    Comp and Expert are full alloy models, and each has a carbon version with a carbon front triangle with rear alloy triangles. Components are basically the same between a carbon and alloy of the same designation. Marathon has a carbon front and alloy rear and I think most, if not all of the s works parts. The carbon front triangle may also be a higher end carbon like the s works.

    Fox and Specialized Future Shocks fit 650b. The Expert models have the SID which does not fit. But it is easy enough to sell the SID and get something that fits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgelza View Post
    Hi LJS

    thanks, exactly what I was looking for.

    And basically you're saying stick to 2010.
    for 2011/2012 the back is fine? problem is with the front?

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    2011/2012 the back fits, but is tighter than the 2010. For all years the front depends on what fork you get. If it is a Fox or Specialized fork then it will fit.

    2010 is best if you want to be able to run any available tire in the rear.

    2011/2012 is best if you want an S Works, because the 2010 S Works won't fit 650b in the back but 2011/2012 will.
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    Question around the Fork and Shock,

    Ok shock is a special Specialized shock, no explanation needed there.

    forks: whats different, I'm guessing you can always pull the Specialized fork and replace with a Fox, all standard mounting anyhow.

    ok, so: options:

    2010 epic, comp, Marathon, but skip S Works
    2011/2012 rather go S Works, (although the others will work back => tighter, might need a fork change)

    You say tighter in rear, at what point are we saying bad idea, 2.35? or even with 2.2's on ZTR Crests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgelza View Post
    Question around the Fork and Shock,

    Ok shock is a special Specialized shock, no explanation needed there.

    forks: whats different, I'm guessing you can always pull the Specialized fork and replace with a Fox, all standard mounting anyhow.

    ok, so: options:

    2010 epic, comp, Marathon, but skip S Works
    2011/2012 rather go S Works, (although the others will work back => tighter, might need a fork change)

    You say tighter in rear, at what point are we saying bad idea, 2.35? or even with 2.2's on ZTR Crests.

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    You can use the Specialized fork, it just doesn't have as much room as a Fox. Some models came with a SID and that won't work at all.

    I have never test fitted a 2011/2012 myself. All the pics I have seen are with a Racing Ralph 2.25 and it looks kind of tight. So you might be able to fit a 2.3 Neo because its not very tall. But I don't think you are going to be able to fit a 2.3 Nevegal or 2.2 Wolverine in back and certainly not the massive tires that are coming out like the Nobby Nic or Mega Moto.
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    Personally, I'd only worry about the rear, chances are that whatever model you get will have a 9mm qr fork anyway, sell the fork and upgrade to a 15mm model, the wheelset you buy will likely be convertible to 15mm and that does allot to enhance the ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madsedan View Post
    Personally, I'd only worry about the rear, chances are that whatever model you get will have a 9mm qr fork anyway, sell the fork and upgrade to a 15mm model, the wheelset you buy will likely be convertible to 15mm and that does allot to enhance the ride.
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    Top Fuel

    Any thoughts on converting a 2010 Trek Top Fuel? I have a Fox float G2 model with a slight off set (not exactly sure how much).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentPhatrick View Post
    Any thoughts on converting a 2010 Trek Top Fuel? I have a Fox float G2 model with a slight off set (not exactly sure how much).
    Not enough room on the seat stay arch. I have a 650B rear wheel and it isn't even close to fitting. I was bummed. I'm thinking of going with a Santa Cruz XCc which will convert easily. I'm will still continue to make the downtube guards for the Top Fuel and Fuel EX. I may keep it as a back up frame.

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    I missed the reference to LJS thread, where is this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cursor718 View Post
    LJS has a lot of information in his thread if you want to convert an epic. for carbon, comp is the lower model, then expert and s-works is at the top. both expert and s-works use a rock shox fork so it might not take 650b.

    my bike is pretty much stock except for stem, bars and seatpost. all i did was swap the wheels with no other adjustments.

    let me know if you have any other questions.

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    I have 2010 Epic Expert, that has F32 100's on it, got the frame and rear shock off a mate second hand - will try a 650b wheelset now I know it will work. I just sold an Air 9 hardtail that I built up to fund a CX build couldn't justify 2 XC bikes and prefered the Epic for our local trail types

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgelza View Post
    I missed the reference to LJS thread, where is this?

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    http://forums.mtbr.com/650b/what-yea...ml#post7901156
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    Cursor, what front derailleur do you have? Mine is a Sram X0. I have a 2.25 Racing Ralph on the rear and it rubs against the back of the derailleur body. Yours seems to be a lot smaller than the one on my bike.

    Here's my thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GChambers View Post
    Yours seems to be a lot smaller

    i posted in your thread as well but i have the shimano SLX front derailleur with nevegal 2.1 and have plenty of room.
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    Hi cursor.

    Can you comment on the attached frame, apparently it's a 2009,
    Will it work as a 650 base.



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    before

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    after w/ stans crest - thanks pro bike supply
    tires are kenda nevegal 2.35 front and 2.1 rear

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgelza View Post
    Hi cursor.

    Can you comment on the attached frame, apparently it's a 2009,
    Will it work as a 650 base.



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    Word has it that the S-Works frames have carbon rear triangles which don't have as much clearance as the aluminum triangles on the other frames. If I were you I'd find someone with a 650b wheel that you can borrow to test fit. Make sure the front derailleur is mounted before you test it. That's where mine hit.

    Mine is a 2009. Here's my thread. Take a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgelza View Post
    Hi cursor.

    Can you comment on the attached frame, apparently it's a 2009,
    Will it work as a 650 base.



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    as GC mentioned, the carbon rear and the '09 model will be a tight fit. it will probably so close that i will depend on what front derailleur and rear tire you choose.
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    This looks like a great interim conversion for those impatiently waiting for the 650 xc's to take off. Do the fsr's look better with 650B's or is it just me?

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    cursor, can you see if your front derailleur has a part or model number on it? I would greatly appreciate it.
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    Shimano SLX FD-M660
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    You're the man! I am convinced that my clearance problems can be easily fixed with a different front derailleur. The body on this SLX derailleur looks significantly different(Much larger) than the body of yours. Not only is it bigger but the derailleur body sits much further back from the seat tube than yours. I believe the one I have is a much older version. I'm going to order a new one tomorrow. I'll post up when I get it on the bike. I REALLY want to get this 2.25 Racing Ralph on the rear of this bike.
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    glad i could help. i really want to replace my nevegals with racing ralphs....maybe at the beginning of the year. it would be interesting to see how much clearance i have after the switch.
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    tire update...

    hated the nevegals ever since i put them on but they were the cheapest to see if my epic would convert to 650b. just replaced them with kenda karmas 27.5 x 2.00 front and rear. i don't have a scale so i didn't weigh them and my first ride will be tomorrow.

    here's some pics

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    FWIW, I'm very pleased with a Nobby Nic front and the Pacenti Quasi Moto rear.
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    Karma 650's? Nice. They look pretty descent volume to. Where did you get them??
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    that's good to know GC. i rode with the karmas yesterday and so far i'm really happy. the trail was dry and had a few areas that was very deep loose dirt (from the fires at Castaic socal area) and i could instantly feel the difference.
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    FWIW, I'm very pleased with a Nobby Nic front and the Pacenti Quasi Moto rear.
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    pricepoint had them on sale for $36. i should have taken a pic side by side with the 2.1 nevegals. but you're right, they seem to be similar in volume.
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    Karma 650's? Nice. They look pretty descent volume to. Where did you get them??
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    I'm running CrossMarx now but would have got the Karmas if they were available earlier. Going to run these for awhile maybe I'll buy for next set.
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    Went for it finally and took it out on its first test ride which ended up being 18 miles and about 2600+ feet climbing in all kinds of conditions. First 9 miles out was great - nice dry trail technical climbing switchbacks and couple wet spots here and there. Boy the ride back was a totally different scenario. Started down pouring on me - the trail turned to muck and was wet and sloppy. All i have to say is the bike did great in both directions - will see how it goes after a couple more rides but so far Iím glad I went for it

    Fork set at 80mm - wheels are Stan's Crest and tires are Kenda Slant 6.

    Have a 30ish minute race tonight and on Sunday is the Six Hours of Mt. Hood.

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    that looks awesome! i'm glad you're happy with the conversion.
    how do you like the Slant 6 tires?
    i really like the de-stickered wheels.....looks great. i might have to do the same.
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    Nitro, very nice.

    I think you'll like that fork extended out to 100mm. It will slow the steering down quite nicely.
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