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    (From Eurobike (Pinkbike article) -Thursday show report


    The excuse many people keep citing about there being a not enough 27.5" tires to choose from is quickly losing credit. Maxxis is the latest tire giant to join the 27.5" club, with their well-liked Highroller II and Ardent models bridging the gap between 26'' and 29'' sizes. Aggressive riders will be stoked to see that the Highroller II comes in a high volume 2.4" width, complete with Maxxis' ST (Super Tacky) rubber compound. The faster rolling Ardent will be available in a slightly smaller 27.5'' x 2.25'' size, but uses Maxxis' EXO Protection sidewall to greatly limit the chance of cutting the tire's casing on sharp edges.
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    Here is the link to the article: Thursday Randoms - Eurobike 2012 - Pinkbike

    The comments are quite entertaining, too.

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    The 650B mother ship is steaming along quite nicely now with more and more tire and bike choices......much to displeasure of the total idiots commenting over on PB. Some of those people have their heads stuck so far up their 26" rules the world butts it's not even funny.
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    Speaking of new tires, any comments on the Vredestein brand?

    http://www.vredestein.com/tweewieler...-eurobike-2012

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    Any news re: release date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    Any news re: release date?
    Those were protos. Expect them towards the turn of the year
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    nice!!!! I wished Minion DHF for long........it`s closer now!!

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    I would prefer Ignitors in B size. That was my favorite tubeless 29er race tire. It's interesting the broad scope 650b encompasses. Hopefully it will continue to grow laterally to include full on XC and AM/DH.

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    Def see it going to DH in time.....(maybe within a year as KHS and others already announcing 650B DH sleds...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Here is the link to the article: Thursday Randoms - Eurobike 2012 - Pinkbike

    The comments are quite entertaining, too.
    Ah yes, the deep and powerful wisdom of the PB comments section. Such great insight and visionary stuff. HA!

    Thanks for sharing, my decision to go 650b just got better with Maxxis coming aboard too.
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    That's it, if you can get High Rollers in 650b, 650b has officially hit the big time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheous View Post
    Def see it going to DH in time.....(maybe within a year as KHS and others already announcing 650B DH sleds...)
    Logan Bingelli is racing the KHS 650b DH sled at Worlds this weekend!

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    Baa-zing! ...just need Mavic to chime in....then get the DH leaders to start testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage View Post
    Logan Bingelli is racing the KHS 650b DH sled at Worlds this weekend!

    at LEOGANG BIKE PARK in Leogang, Austria - photo by meagerdude - Pinkbike
    It doesn't confirm that is the case...just speculates. I'd love to see it.
    It'd be great if he did better than and had a high placing with them. He could run an CRF450 and would lose to Gwin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    I would prefer Ignitors in B size. That was my favorite tubeless 29er race tire. It's interesting the broad scope 650b encompasses. Hopefully it will continue to grow laterally to include full on XC and AM/DH.
    I hated the Ignitor in 26" as the 2.1 version was too narrow and the 2.35 too heavy.......but surprisingly it's been a great 29" front tyre to me....

    I was hoping Maxxis might do a 650b Ikon and Ignitor straight up....

    The Ardent is a good rear tyre and I've never liked the slow rolling Highrollers.

    Hopefully more tyre announcements from Maxxis soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    It doesn't confirm that is the case...just speculates. I'd love to see it.
    It'd be great if he did better than and had a high placing with them. He could run an CRF450 and would lose to Gwin...
    "KHS has a 650 prototype DH bike, and Bingelli is rocking a Dorado--a fork that will take a 650b wheel..."-Colin Meagher

    Eyewitness photographer there right now, confirmed right there in his description of the photo. He's one of the best in the photo journo's in the biz and I'll take his word for it.

    There's only about 3 people who stand a fair chance against Gwin, and no, Logan is not one of them. But he is capable of a top 20 which says alot.
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    Schwalbe and Maxxis are on board, just wish WTB would commit.
    TCS Bronson 650b would be great.
    I think the Hans Dampf will be the next experiment when the Neo I have wear out/flat beyond repair.

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    Those 2.4 HRIIs might finally be what I need to try a 650b DH bike. Awesome. Hope the casing is burly enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtails Are Better View Post
    Those 2.4 HRIIs might finally be what I need to try a 650b DH bike. Awesome. Hope the casing is burly enough.
    Just run DH tubes in them, beefs up many a marginal FR tire...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsavage View Post
    "KHS has a 650 prototype DH bike, and Bingelli is rocking a Dorado--a fork that will take a 650b wheel..."-Colin Meagher

    Eyewitness photographer there right now, confirmed right there in his description of the photo. He's one of the best in the photo journo's in the biz and I'll take his word for it.

    There's only about 3 people who stand a fair chance against Gwin, and no, Logan is not one of them. But he is capable of a top 20 which says alot.
    http://gp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb8599357/p4pb8599357.jpg

    This is another image of him.

    The fact they have a prototype and he is running a compatible fork does not make it a 650b bike...I think Meagher would have flat out said it was if that were the case.

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    Sure hope Binggeli isn't on that 650b because his Timed Run came in at 3rd to last place

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    Uhmm. I think you need to scroll down...

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    RR,
    Yes I guess page 1 of 3 means just that!!!! Crap! My bad. So then 45th out of 116 is awesome!!!!! Thanks for correcting me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEyedHito View Post
    RR,
    Yes I guess page 1 of 3 means just that!!!! Crap! My bad. So then 45th out of 116 is awesome!!!!! Thanks for correcting me!

    No worries...caught me at first too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    http://gp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb8599357/p4pb8599357.jpg

    This is another image of him.

    The fact they have a prototype and he is running a compatible fork does not make it a 650b bike...I think Meagher would have flat out said it was if that were the case.
    I guess he wasn't on 650b. According to KHS he was running 26" but they verified that he'll be running 650b at Rampage for sure.
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    Thanks for the good news which is now actually bad news. Now I can't wait for the Highrollers for my 650b Stinkys, And currently rolling on Kenda Nevagoes, makes me feel like I'm standing still.
    I hope a release date will be soon, but then again who's going to carry them at a reasonable price?

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    Intense just posted up the M9 27.5......

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    anyone spotted the Maxxis Crossmark at his LBS yet ?

    Was supoposed to be released during September.

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    Noticed that they are listed on Maxxis website now but not on bti-usa... I sent my lbs an email to see if they can order them for me. Won't know till Monday. 27.5X2.10 ( 53-584 ) Black 120 FOLDABLE 510 SINGLE 65 eXC. I hope these can be run tubeless.

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    Did you get an answer ?

    I also sent a question to Maxxis customer service - let's see what their response will be

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    I am hoping for good news at Interbike.

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    Well, sent them the question on Sunday - no reply yet :-(

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    Sorry I couldn't remove the bike but here's a couple of pics from Interbike. I've been waiting for some tight center tread 650b tires before I convert my Dean Colonel and it looks like the Crossmark will do the trick.




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    that crossmark also looks like ticket, low knobs, big body.

    That quad seater bike may cause some unnecessary strife as
    4 people on a 'group ride'. What if one of them needs to go poo poo?
    Worrying about one other rider is bad but 3 more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post
    Sorry I couldn't remove the bike but here's a couple of pics from Interbike. I've been waiting for some tight center tread 650b tires before I convert my Dean Colonel and it looks like the Crossmark will do the trick.
    Check out the Vredesteins too.

    Interbike 2012: Vredestein Adds 27.5/650B Mountain Bike Tires, Adds 25c TriComp Road - Bike Rumor

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    Looks good ti-triodes.

    Have they said when the Crossmark can be ordered ? Was supposed to hit the stores this month.

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    I want some High Rollers and Ardents NOW god darnit !
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    my lbs owner just came back from interbike a few days ago and he told me maxxis said mid october which to him means late october.

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    Any ideas how the 2.25 Ardent may compare size wise to the 2.3 Neo Moto?

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    Thanks Brad.

    Too bad for me though - was planning to finish my build this month - now need to decide if I want to wait or buy something else.

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    OK, didn't have time earlier to reply, just wanted to share what I can on the Crossmark and Ardent from my experience testing them.
    - Ardent is similar in size to the 2.25" 29er Ardent, but it's the new 2.25" version which has the bigger intermediate block, about the same size as the 2.4", so, much better in cornering. Airs up really easily tubeless on Stans Flow rims, bit tight initial fit (might require a tyre lever), but to me that's a good thing. EXO casing, what else can I say Will agree on the "they should do a 2.4" version" comments, it is what I said in my feedback as well, so hopefully they'll listen and it'll be coming in short order.
    - Crossmark, same as the Ardent it is of similar size to it's 29er brotherin, all traits of the Crossmark made it across, so if you have ridden a 29er version and liked it, you'll like the 650B one as well (assume the 26" version is the same, never ridden one so can't say).

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    If they had done 2.4 Ardents, then I would be making a Maxxis purchase soon.

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    12 days now since I sent the question to Maxxis customer support :-(

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    I've been reading reviews of the Crossmark and there seems to be problems with QC. Weak sidewalls and lots of problems with tires bubbling. I hope Maxxis fixes this when the 650b version comes out. In any case it will probably be a good idea to test them with tubes since Maxxis is not honoring the warranty if they're run tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post
    I've been reading reviews of the Crossmark and there seems to be problems with QC. Weak sidewalls and lots of problems with tires bubbling. I hope Maxxis fixes this when the 650b version comes out. In any case it will probably be a good idea to test them with tubes since Maxxis is not honoring the warranty if they're run tubeless.
    That's because people use the punny non LUST versions, i always used the LUST versions of Crossmarks ( and other tires ) and never had a problem, no weak sidewalls. Unfortunately people are weight weenies even when they say they're not and prefer the weaker tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    That's because people use the punny non LUST versions, i always used the LUST versions of Crossmarks ( and other tires ) and never had a problem, no weak sidewalls. Unfortunately people are weight weenies even when they say they're not and prefer the weaker tires.
    based on their web site, there will be not LUST or EXO version for the 650b version

    maxxis.com/Bicycle/Mountain/CrossMark.aspx

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    I rode the normal 29er Crossmarks tubeless and had no issues with them except getting the pinholes to seal, but I never held that against them because they're not designed to be a tubeless tyres, they're designed to be a lightweight XC race type tyre meant to be run with a tube. They make the LUST version if you want tubeless and there's a reason for that, because despite the fact that you can run them tubeless, they are definitely not a good option if you ride in rocky terrain, sidewalls will gets sliced easily, just like the paper thin Racing Ralph normal version.

    Right now I'd be guessing the Crossmark is being rolled out for the XC racers who want 650B and the Ardent for the ones who want more Trail use type tyres. I'd also put money that they'll be rolling out more tyres and probably options as wel,l since a lot of the other big brands like Schwalbe have fully committed to the 650B idea and it's obviously a market that's going someplace, so why miss out

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    I've been reading reviews of the Crossmark and there seems to be problems with QC. Weak sidewalls and lots of problems with tires bubbling. I hope Maxxis fixes this when the 650b version comes out. In any case it will probably be a good idea to test them with tubes since Maxxis is not honoring the warranty if they're run tubeless.
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    Still no reply from Maxxis customer service on the Crossmark availability :-(

    I love their tires, but such "support" really s**k

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    Always liked the Maxxis tyres, use to run them on my quads.

    The Ardent also sounds like exactly what I've been looking for, now to just become available.

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    The excuse many people keep citing about there being a not enough 27.5" tires to choose from is quickly losing credit. Maxxis is the latest tire giant to join the 27.5" club, with their well-liked Highroller II and Ardent models bridging the gap between 26'' and 29'' sizes. Aggressive riders will be stoked to see that the Highroller II comes in a high volume 2.4" width, complete with Maxxis' ST (Super Tacky) rubber compound. The faster rolling Ardent will be available in a slightly smaller 27.5'' x 2.25'' size, but uses Maxxis' EXO Protection sidewall to greatly limit the chance of cutting the tire's casing on sharp edges.

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    650b monorail and ikon pleaseeeeee

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    Anymore news from the Maxxis camp and 650b tyres.....what they are first giving the market are some of my most disliked of their tyres.

    Crossmark is the worst tyre they've ever done, highroller is too wide (should call it the slowroller) and the Ardent can only be trusted as a rear....

    C'mon Maxxis....

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    anyone spotted the Maxxis Crossmark at his LBS yet ?

    Still waiting - they were supposed to be released back in September :-(

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    I contacted Maxis a couple weeks ago and they said the ardent is available now. If you can,t get your LBS to order them you can get them from Maxis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetman46 View Post
    I contacted Maxis a couple weeks ago and they said the ardent is available now. If you can,t get your LBS to order them you can get them from Maxis.
    Yes - I can get the Ardent, but it will not fit as a rear on my frame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetman46 View Post
    I contacted Maxis a couple weeks ago and they said the ardent is available now. If you can,t get your LBS to order them you can get them from Maxis.
    Picked up a pair of Ardents from LBS last weekend.
    Finished mounting last night...
    Zero sidewall seeping with EXO; nice and tight on my Flow rims.

    Not sure how soon I will get to test them, since my fork is Fox seems to had sh!t the bed.
    Might be an excuse to get a Loop so I can fit a High Roller 2 when it comes out.

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    Do you have measurements?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    I hated the Ignitor in 26" as the 2.1 version was too narrow and the 2.35 too heavy.......but surprisingly it's been a great 29" front tyre to me....

    I was hoping Maxxis might do a 650b Ikon and Ignitor straight up....

    The Ardent is a good rear tyre and I've never liked the slow rolling Highrollers.

    Hopefully more tyre announcements from Maxxis soon.
    What version of the Ignitor are you running up front? I have the 2.1 that weighs 710g, but on Maxxis website they only list 2 29" versions and both are under 600g. I am wondering if I have an older heavier model, and if it will hook up tubeless to my UST Havens.

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    Finally the Crossmark is in too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    Anymore news from the Maxxis camp and 650b tyres.....what they are first giving the market are some of my most disliked of their tyres.

    Crossmark is the worst tyre they've ever done, highroller is too wide (should call it the slowroller) and the Ardent can only be trusted as a rear....

    C'mon Maxxis....
    Speak for yourself. The High Roller is a really, really good DH tire, and I'm very much looking forward to it. I know it's not for everyone, but calling it a bad tire because it's intended for a different riding style/conditions is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtails Are Better View Post
    Speak for yourself. The High Roller is a really, really good DH tire, and I'm very much looking forward to it. I know it's not for everyone, but calling it a bad tire because it's intended for a different riding style/conditions is stupid.
    I did.....that's what "my" means.....

    DH tyre yes....but that's about it!

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    And on the Ardent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    I did.....that's what "my" means.....

    DH tyre yes....but that's about it!
    Why not trusting as a front tyre? Looks like a good tracking/biting tyre to me.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Speak for yourself Gripo, but I tested the 29er HR2, never having ever ridden any previous version in any wheel size and found that for the grip it offered it rolled damned fast. I'd put the grip above the Rampage or Nev and to me it rolled as well. Now maybe that's going as a front tyre, as that's the most I tried it as, but I did try it on the rear a bit and really was surprised at how well it rolled.

    As to the Crossmark being the worst tyre they've produced, I suggest you learn to ride, it is one of the best XC tyres out and coupled with the Ignitor had to be the most popular tyre combo recommended for 29ers. I absolutely love it and despite riding more aggressive than I did back when I first started on them I still use one as a rear tyre coupled with anything from an Ikon to the HR2 upfront.

    As to the Ardent, my feeling somewhat mirror yours, but then I suspect like myself you don't really aggressively lean your bike into corners and that's what it requires as the transition knobs aren't many. If you've been running a 2.25", give the 2.4" a try or the newer 2.25" which has had the transition knobs sized increased to match the 2.4"s. Run at the right pressure I actually am coming to like the 2.4" Ardent, especially when volume is needed, rear have done for a while, the front took a while after having a wash out using an old 2.25", but then after reading the packaging on my 2.4" I realise it really wasn't geared to the surface I was on when it washed out, but still transition knobs were too small and Maxxis heard the cry.

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    ........Crossmark is the worst tyre they've ever done, highroller is too wide (should call it the slowroller) and the Ardent can only be trusted as a rear....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtails Are Better View Post
    Speak for yourself. The High Roller is a really, really good DH tire, and I'm very much looking forward to it. I know it's not for everyone, but calling it a bad tire because it's intended for a different riding style/conditions is stupid.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    I did.....that's what "my" means.....

    DH tyre yes....but that's about it!
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    Why not trusting as a front tyre? Looks like a good tracking/biting tyre to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Speak for yourself Gripo, but I tested the 29er HR2, never having ever ridden any previous version in any wheel size and found that for the grip it offered it rolled damned fast. I'd put the grip above the Rampage or Nev and to me it rolled as well. Now maybe that's going as a front tyre, as that's the most I tried it as, but I did try it on the rear a bit and really was surprised at how well it rolled.

    As to the Crossmark being the worst tyre they've produced, I suggest you learn to ride, it is one of the best XC tyres out and coupled with the Ignitor had to be the most popular tyre combo recommended for 29ers. I absolutely love it and despite riding more aggressive than I did back when I first started on them I still use one as a rear tyre coupled with anything from an Ikon to the HR2 upfront.

    As to the Ardent, my feeling somewhat mirror yours, but then I suspect like myself you don't really aggressively lean your bike into corners and that's what it requires as the transition knobs aren't many. If you've been running a 2.25", give the 2.4" a try or the newer 2.25" which has had the transition knobs sized increased to match the 2.4"s. Run at the right pressure I actually am coming to like the 2.4" Ardent, especially when volume is needed, rear have done for a while, the front took a while after having a wash out using an old 2.25", but then after reading the packaging on my 2.4" I realise it really wasn't geared to the surface I was on when it washed out, but still transition knobs were too small and Maxxis heard the cry.
    Yeah, I did say "MY".....

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    Yeah sorry I overlooked the my somehow. Fair enough. And I do agree, besides the HR2I'm not very interested in any of their 650 offerings. A good trail tire would be cool but doesn't sounds like it's happening yet.

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    what was the hieght measurment on the crossmark?

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    Wow, that's some good clearance on that RM Vertex, looks like a most definite 650B conversion frame, could maybe even fit the Ardent 2.25" in there.
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