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    Diametric difference between the different B tires?

    I have a 650b stan's 355 wheel with a Nevegal 2.35, and the rear seat and chain stays on my GF's FS bike are plenty wide for it, but the center knobs just barely rub the CS brace. This tire is pretty tall in the knobs though.

    Q for Kirk or anyone else: Is the absolute diameter different from tire to tire? Specifically, is the Quasi, with its smaller knobs, a smaller diameter than the Nev? I'd guess yes, but I'm sure someone can confirm. I will probably try my Neo on there for kicks soon just to see if it clears.


    Oh, and the frame in question?: A 16" Motobecane Fantom DS -- heavy, but fairly plush. After trying my wheel in there, I measured from the rear axle to the brace, and got 348mm; this distance won't change during active travel, as there are no pivots between these two points. Also, the stays seem pretty stout, so maybe a bit of grinding would suffice. If anyone out there has one of these frames sitting around, give it a go.
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    Yes different tires are different outside diameters even though they may both listed as the same size. eg a 26*2.25 maxxis will be taller than a 26*2.25 schwalbe
    The same tire on different rim widths are also different diameters.
    See Shiggy's site for info on max radius

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    Quote Originally Posted by gte819s
    Yes different tires are different outside diameters even though they may both listed as the same size. eg a 26*2.25 maxxis will be taller than a 26*2.25 schwalbe
    The same tire on different rim widths are also different diameters.
    See Shiggy's site for info on max radius
    Thanks, gte. Kinda figured so, but no one should dump a few hundred into a hunch, right?

    Found Shiggy's 27.5" specs. I take it I'm looking at the casing height measurement?

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    Yes or look to the left there should be a column "Axis to Tread Tallest Point" as a radial measurement in MM. That should be it...

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    neve's have tall center knobs, get clipping and make yourself a beefy semi-slick and take back your clearance!
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    Oh, Duh...

    Quote Originally Posted by gte819s
    Yes or look to the left there should be a column "Axis to Tread Tallest Point" as a radial measurement in MM. That should be it...
    Not sure how I missed that. Thanks for bringing attention to it. Looks like the Quasi sits significantly closer to the rim than the others. Geez, a full cm shorter than the 2.35 Nev. I'm am certain that will clear the center portion of the CSs. Very good to know!

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    i'm new

    I just rode my first 650B, rigid Yipsan, I must say I am a believer now. I have a 2010 fsr stumpjumper and was wondering if it would be possible to put on 650 wheels and ride it?

    I started to wade through all the posts but did not have time. Great site btw.

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    Does anyone know if the Cannondale Moto would fit 650b? Its not on the list but maybe no one has tried it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dekoffer

    I have 650b wheels on my 2009 Stumpy FSR. Works fine with the stock fox talas fork. Rear wheel fit is very tight between the seat stay bridge & kenda nevegal's however. Maybe clearance enough to insert 2 or 3 pennies stacked together. Front derailleur clearance is fine.
    Hmmmm, I have the 2010 FSR Stumpy Elite, sounds like maybe 650b would work on my ride also? How does it ride? BB height a problem?

    I often wish I had just a tad more clearance.

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    2006 TNT rear 5 spot

    The 06 5 spot rear fits a 650b 2.2 RR. The 08' TALAS 140 clears a 2.35 nev no problem. This results in a BB height of around 13.75". Note that the 06 spot claims a 13.25" BB whereas the 08 claims a 13.6" BB height. This is due to the seatstays on the 08 spots being longer then on the 06.

    Once i found that it worked I began experimenting with some parts i have from the sultan conversion. I replaced the 06 chainstays with 08 chainstays and the 06' 5.3 rockers with 08' 5.5 rockers. I used the 06' seatstays though.

    The 08 chainstays improved the tire clearance. The 5.5 rockers conbined with the 06 seatstays kept the BB @ around 13.75 - 8"s. Tire clearance at the seatstay is about the same. I still some little stuff to do before i can ride it but man it looks great. Ill post pics when im done sometime this weekend.

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    ummmmmmm

    on a lark I tossed a 29x2.1 nano into the back of my new orange patriot 6.6.
    can compress the shock to the bottom out bumper without the wheel hitting.

    guess that makes it a go for 650b.

    approx 15" bb height with 6" talas and 2.6x 26 gazzi up front, 29x2.1 nano out back.
    (no I'm not going to ride it like this)
    shock's an oddball length, 2.5" spring, so I'm wondering if I just ran a 2.3" spring and cranked the collar down to shorten the available travel, if that'd allow a 29x 2.2 out back.
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    Smile

    Got some used wheels, Thanks Mark, 2010 Stumpy M5 confirmed fits 650b. Sort of tight on the upper seat stay cross member, plenty of clearance on the chainstay cross member.







    I did notice the neo-moto tires seem to seat deep on the rim in one spot causing the tires to wobble at that spot. They are used tires if that makes any difference. I tried to air them down and pull the bead out while pumping them back up which helped some but not entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottybinwv
    Got some used wheels, Thanks Mark, 2010 Stumpy M5 confirmed fits 650b. Sort of tight on the upper seat stay cross member, plenty of clearance on the chainstay cross member.







    I did notice the neo-moto tires seem to seat deep on the rim in one spot causing the tires to wobble at that spot. They are used tires if that makes any difference. I tried to air them down and pull the bead out while pumping them back up which helped some but not entirely.
    Lookin good Scott - enjoy.

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    Transition TransAm will fit the NeoMotos. Officially they clear 26 x 2.5s but the 2.5 clearance is all the way to the seat and chainstay bridge points, which is 14" from axle center with the axles run all the way forwards in the dropouts (they're rear entry with an optional derailleur hanger mount).

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    Good job!

    Just a quick update, got to ride the stumpy with the 650b wheels/tires. In spite of a slightly higher BB which to me was barely noticeable the bike performed flawlessly. I rode almost the same loop trail on 26" brand new exiwolf tires then switched over to the 650 w/neomotos Roll over was improved, several log piles were no touch where I had some trouble with a few on the 26". Pedal strikes went way down, we have tons of rocks/roots and timing along with a tad more clearance was key. All in all I like it, it give me some flexibility with picking the the wheel/tire combo that will work the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottybinwv
    Just a quick update, got to ride the stumpy with the 650b wheels/tires. In spite of a slightly higher BB which to me was barely noticeable the bike performed flawlessly. I rode almost the same loop trail on 26" brand new exiwolf tires then switched over to the 650 w/neomotos Roll over was improved, several log piles where no touch where I had some trouble with a few on the 26". Pedal strikes went way down, we have tons of rocks and timing along with a tad more clearance was key. All in all I like it, it give me some flexibility with picking the the wheel/tire combo that will work the best.
    Thanks Scotty, did you notice any slower feedback in steering or any downsides?

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    The steering was fine, part of the trail I rode was very tight single track in the trees called "knuckle buster". I was able to weave through same as before. On other parts of the trail I was able to pick my line no problem.

    I can not really say there is a down side for riding, lack of tire and wheel choices, we already know that. I did adjust my forks(Fox talas) down to 110 when on the 650s.

    Being an older(47) biker I welcome the advantage of the 650 with out the feeling I am on stilts like on a 29.

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    Great to read Scott!
    Quote Originally Posted by scottybinwv
    Just a quick update, got to ride the stumpy with the 650b wheels/tires. In spite of a slightly higher BB which to me was barely noticeable the bike performed flawlessly. I rode almost the same loop trail on 26" brand new exiwolf tires then switched over to the 650 w/neomotos Roll over was improved, several log piles where no touch where I had some trouble with a few on the 26". Pedal strikes went way down, we have tons of rocks and timing along with a tad more clearance was key. All in all I like it, it give me some flexibility with picking the the wheel/tire combo that will work the best.

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    Santa Cruz Heckler and 650B wheels

    I saw at the beginning of this thread that the SC Heckler can be modified to take 650B wheels. Anyone done it? I just got a great deal on a Trek 69er and love it. I am wondering if the geared version of the bike will also take a 650B rear. Thanks.

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    So far loving my 650b Heckler... the BB might be high for some but even with the 55 fork its lower than my Gemini with 2.5 tires


    The Fox Float R shock stinks on it! do a search... they where not exaggerating, its really hard or you just blow through you travel on 2 foot drops


    Quote Originally Posted by spitfire111
    I saw at the beginning of this thread that the SC Heckler can be modified to take 650B wheels. Anyone done it? I just got a great deal on a Trek 69er and love it. I am wondering if the geared version of the bike will also take a 650B rear. Thanks.

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    Anybody tried to convert a Roscoe?

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    Add the new steel Salsa Ala Carte to the list of 650b compatible frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcpedaler
    Add the new steel Salsa Ala Carte to the list of 650b compatible frames.
    Have you personally tried this or just assuming? I ask because I was considering that frame.

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    Ordered a XS for the wife...when I went to pick up the frame, the shop owner and I were curious if 650b's would fit, so we took the back wheel off from a Beasley with Neo Moto tires (not sure of the size, but they were fat) and the wheel fit fine. Had plenty of room between the tire and the seat stay and chain stay braces, and a little less than 1/4" on either side.

    Not sure if this is true throughout all the sizes, but I assume it is. It may be worth asking the Salsa crew before making the purchase.
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    I did, I they said that they wouldn't recommend anything other than 26" since that's what it was designed for.

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    2002 Titus Switchblade a 650b will fit but there isn't much spare room with a 2.1. It looked like the tire/wheel would flex and hit the chainstay. With a real stiff wheel it might work.
    Here's to sweat in your eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    From my personal findings and other's. This list ill also be on my blog if y'all haven't been to it yet: http://650bpalace.blogspot.com also found at www.650Bpalace.com


    Surly 1x1, no confirmation but I'm sure the Pugsley would work too.
    VooDoo Bokor (newer with sliders)
    VooDoo Wanga (newer with sliders)
    Soul Cycles Titan
    Ibex Atlas
    Haro Sonix LT
    Haro Xeon
    Specialized Myka
    Cannondale Prophet (2007+ checked)
    Gunnar Ruffian (older with horizontal dropouts)
    Gary Fisher Fat Possum
    Scott Spark 30
    Marin Rift Zone
    Kona Unit (with sliders)
    Ventana El Chamuco
    Azonic Revenge
    Specialized Enduro Elite (checked on 2007 model)


    If I missed something that someone has confirmed, please add it!!!
    TIA
    are you sure about the scott spark 30,iam considering buying a frame to convert to 650b
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    Here is a photo of the Scott Spark 30.
    http://bp0.blogger.com/_vCsr3j7w4Yg/...scottspark.jpg
    http://650bpalace.blogspot.com/2007/...ng-plauge.html
    (tested on a 2008 Scott Spark 30.)

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    Out riding with Chayse Marshall (Knolly rider) and tried a IRD XC Pro 650b (2.1) on the back of his Endorphin and it's a confirmed fit but might be tighter for a Nevagal 2.1.

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    2007 thru 2009 RM Blizzard frames will clear the Quasimoto 2.0s. There's about 5mm to spare on top of the tire and about 4mm on either side. Actually the side clearance is probably better by 1mm than you get with 26 x 2.3s.

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    1993 Norco Rampage Team Issue

    My 1993 Norco Rampage Team Issue hardtail (Tange prestige concept/ultrastrong downtube) fits the Quasi-moto nicely.

    There is about 5mm clearance at the chainstays and 8mm at the seat stays. The cs and ss bridges are at about 8mm from the knobs. Hope this may help someone.

    The rims are Sun EQ27 650B.

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    I'm glad more people are rocking 650b. I put 650b wheels on my second stumpy fsr and boy is it sweet. I just picked up a '10 Stump fsr expert carbon and didn't even ride it with 26rs.

    I've got some new 2.1 tires on the way (Neo or Quasi, I forget) for the SM100 this weekend.

    WOOHOO!

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    someone should grab one of those Santa Cruz blurs for 999 on chainlove and build it up 650b

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    No doubt, I have seen them come up 3 times now.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottybinwv
    someone should grab one of those Santa Cruz blurs for 999 on chainlove and build it up 650b

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    Still rocking My Weyless XP XT from 2004. (Supergo Heckler clone) Works great. the 650B is the wheel of the future for MTB. (BTW I now have both types of Pacenti tires, they both work no prob. (Neo and Quasi Moto)

    2015 Budnitz MTB Ti Limited 650B
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    Nice "strip job" on that Weyless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro
    I've seen the blue pig converted to 650b, fwiw.

    I just took delivery of a mmmBop frame (alum version of the BP) and my 2.2 Wolverine clears OK but I could see a 2.35 Nevegal being tight around the three finger chainstay bridge.
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    Bump from the stone ages

    Hey Davis, or anyone else with an answer:

    Can you post pics of a aluminum 96er frame with a chunky 650b REAR wheel mounted -- emphasis on the chainstay and seatstay clearances? Interested in this as my next possible project.

    I thought some posted pics of this already, but my searches came up empty.

    Thanks a ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entrenador
    Hey Davis, or anyone else with an answer:

    Can you post pics of a aluminum 96er frame with a chunky 650b REAR wheel mounted -- emphasis on the chainstay and seatstay clearances? Interested in this as my next possible project.

    I thought some posted pics of this already, but my searches came up empty.

    Thanks a ton.

    -E
    I fit a Neomoto 2.3 on a Alex XD lite rim on mine- but with very little wiggle room at the seat stay brace area of the frame.

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    Ragley mmmbop fits 650 b rear just fine, dont have pics right now, too busy.

    ridiculous price at chain reaction
    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=39113

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    anyone know if a TNT- Turner Flux can be converted with a different rear triangle?{Perhaps a RFX- 6 pack rear}....or even a Sultan rear.

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    I'm wondering if a Santa Cruz Butcher would accept 650B...

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    Ragley 650B

    I'm building up a 650b Ragley mmmbop, its a 3lb aluminum long travel hardtail frame. The steel blue pig version should have even better clearances. Also available in Ti. These are designed for a 150mm travel fork, so with a lower travel fork the bottom bracket should come down a bit. The head angle is very slack at 67d w/ 150mm travel fork. They are also designed for a short stem (50-70mm) to improve handling. So with a shorter fork say 100mm travel, the bottom bracket height should be pretty low, head angle around 69d. With a layback seatpost, the relation ship of seat to bars should be pretty much dead on too. I'll post pics when I get it done, having delays getting the headset faced. Hardly any shops in my area have a reamer/facer for the 1.5" headtube.

    Cheers, Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Lee
    I'm building up a 650b Ragley mmmbop,...

    Cheers, Jim
    Sweet. I thought about the Ragleys and their geometry as well, and at least in theory, it's good. Thanks for taking the leap of faith. Definitely report back and post some pics. Sounds potentially perfect.
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    The late 90s Schwinn Homegrown frames (the ones that had the bassboat colours with the wishbone seatstay and the machined plate section joining the chainstays behind the BB shell (like on Manitou hardtail frames) will fit 650Bs. There's easily an inch above a 26" tire clearance on the seatstays and about 1.5" height clearance at the chainstays.
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    Nice, What tire (kind/size) did you have mounted when you tried the 650b wheel?
    Any pics?
    Thanks

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    How about the 2010 santa cruz Blur Xc carbon? Seems plausable other than the front derailleur cable interference?

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    Anyone know if the Litespeed Kitsuma is 650b-able?
    Steel is real...Ti is fly...carbon fiber is good for constipation.

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    Ragely Piglet Ti 2011

    I think this will rock!

    http://www.shedfire.com/2010/09/24/t...n-transit-now/

    I already own a Ragley Ti and have a set of 650b which i switch to whenever i like.

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    My 650B Heckler

    Blunt Rims White Industry Hubs put together by Dave Thomas at Speed Dream Wheels.List of 27.5 Compatible 26ers-650b.jpg

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    2010 santa cruz Blur Xc carbon - GOOD 650b

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    : Great fit with Quasimoto & no changes, just barely taps the FD cable at full bottom with no seat tube buzz ever, good mud room. Neomoto will fit, but might require shock shim (3-4mm should be fine) to elimante seat tube buzz. Net BB height quasi/neo measured ~13.2" (a wee bit high) and the HT angle is just a touch slack for perfect trail handling, but the bike rides REALLY well as full 650b - an enduro rolling machine that sucks up the semi-rough.

    This frame is about as perfect as a 26" gets for this application. I have proof pics, but am pinched for time to figure out the upload/hosting deal. Sorry.

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    Does the Transition TransAm fit 2.3 Neos in the rear? Does anyone know?

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    Santa Cruz Butcher rear

    Was thinking about a new Butcher to replace my Prophet and was just wondering.....I found this pic. Looks to have some nice clearance

    2013 Banshee Spitfire V2 650b

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    Santa Cruz Blur XC carbon confirmed

    Confimed: 650b fits well. Test rig is a SM 09 Blur Xc c. Rims are ZTR 355:

    QuasiMoto: fits with no modification. At full bottom, the Quasi barely kisses the FD cable stop, and will knock your cable raincoat off. There is ample room for a NeoMoto 2.3, but you will need to shim the rear shock ~3-5mm (see Derby's posts). Fit all around is considerably better than a Mojo.

    Blur XC<<<<THIS>>>>Tallboy

    Enjoy.



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    How does it perform?
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    According to my fuzzy math, since the SC Blur ships w/ a Maxxis X-mark tire (fairly large profile w/ an axle to tread height of 341-343), the Racing Ralph at 349 should only raise the BB by 349 minus 342 = 7 mm or so (.027 inches). Given that the BB height (stock) is a rather low 12.8" this puts it at 13.0", very acceptable. Given also, the fact that more BB drop (27.5/2= 13.75 vs 26/2= 13) is realized due to the taller axle height should allow the bike to ride quite nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scsamoyan
    How does it perform?
    Wife's bike. She likes the traction & said it "mellowed everything out". That's the closest we"re going to get for a ride report, since it's too small for me. Methinks the slightly slack 69d head angle will be a tad sluggish for ripping buff, turny single track, but should be nice for steeper rubble fields...

    I think it's pretty reasonable to claim that this combination will be a endurance racer's dream, or turn the XC into a more AM/Backcountry friendly rig. We ride some pretty primitive stuff here in Idaho and she does quite well in the tech bits. The Quasi is under equipped for anything truly rocky & rubbley, so I'll get a Neo on there with a shim for next season.

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    buggyman,

    Sorry for the omission. Measured BB height is 331mm (aboot 13.05") for this combination, so your guess is pretty spot-on. The BB drop does not change, that's fixed by the frame design.

    I agree, this should be a great set-up and I'm awfully tempted to find a MD frame for myself!

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    I agree the frame BB drop does not change, however the BB drop relative to the axle centerline is lower, a desirable trait of both 650b and 29er wheels, right?

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    Alas, if that were true, we would be extra happy. That desireable trait (and it is desireable!) of having extra relative drop on 650b & 29er's only applies to frames designed specifically for those wheel sizes.

    But BB drop is the dimension from BB center to axle centers, measured perpendicular to the gound, and is fixed by the frame design. It is independent of wheel diameter. Changing the wheel diameter moves both the axle and BB centers up by the same amount.

    Don't sweat it. The 650b will still be great on the Blur!

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    Nice this looks like the perfect bike for where I ride regularly Henry Coe SP. I was thinking lately of how I could make a Superlight work for 650B when this makes it work so much better. I agree the Quasi Moto is a true XC/Race tire the Neo is way better for all conditions.

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    Add another big travel bike to the list, the Kona CoilAir series frames clear NeoMoto 2.35s with lots of mudroom at the chainstays (about 20mm all around) and acceptable room (about 10mm on the side, 6 or 7mm on top) at the seatstays. I just got one in trade for a Norco B-line, and I'm wishing it was bigger than an 18" size because then I'd probably keep it for myself. I could certainly enjoy having 7.4" of travel with 650Bs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    Add another big travel bike to the list, the Kona CoilAir series frames clear NeoMoto 2.35s with lots of mudroom at the chainstays (about 20mm all around) and acceptable room (about 10mm on the side, 6 or 7mm on top) at the seatstays. I just got one in trade for a Norco B-line, and I'm wishing it was bigger than an 18" size because then I'd probably keep it for myself. I could certainly enjoy having 7.4" of travel with 650Bs.
    this bike?

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    Pipedream sirius

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...d=131226129024

    They have pics with a 2.1 Neo w/ plenty of room.

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    Yes that bike. Also add the 2010 Cannondale F4, loads of clearance on top. The chainstay/seatstay bridges are about 14.5" from axle center.
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    I don't think I entered it into this thread - but did post pics in another - but the Azonic Steelhead is a go with 650bs (heck it is a go with 24, 26, or 650b). Not bad for a frame you can find used on the cheap and if you don't mind the weight of the frame!

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    650B front only on a Trance?

    I wonder if a larger wheel up front would cure all my handling woes...(steers too quick and washes out AND I'm a crappy fireroad descender)
    Ive a '05 Trance with a Fox 90-130mm TALAS.. can i just buy a 650B wheel and tire and bolt it on?
    thx....

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank6262
    I wonder if a larger wheel up front would cure all my handling woes...(steers too quick and washes out AND I'm a crappy fireroad descender)
    Ive a '05 Trance with a Fox 90-130mm TALAS.. can i just buy a 650B wheel and tire and bolt it on?
    thx....

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    Frank,

    Go for it!

    First ride on 650b today

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    http://picasaweb.google.com/scsamoya...93691230152066


    copy and google above link......my scott spark30 650b i cant believe how fast this bike is.
    it's so much better then when it was a 26er.it handles like a 26er but rolls very similar to a 29er,but accelerating out of turns is where it really shines,and it tracs perfect with the trac loc rear susp.havnt had it on any long climbs yet.soon.
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    I work at a Trek dealer and was wondering if anyone has found which 2010 or 2011 26ers will work?

    Thanks!

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    Sounds like your the man to figure it out Brandon measure those frames against this wheel tire/diagram and tell us what you find out!
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    You can add a 2004 Weyless 67 All mtn/FR bike to the list. Built this up last week, running 160mm travel F/R no issues at all. ****Kirk, how about some FR/DH duty 650B tires? (even if just beefier sidewalled Neo 2.3s?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheous
    ****Kirk, how about some FR/DH duty 650B tires? (even if just beefier sidewalled Neo 2.3s?)

    Soon I hope...

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    650b Trek Remedy

    Hi all,

    I was thinking about purchasing a 2011 Trek Remedy 9.8 and was wondering if anyone knew about 650b tire clearance?

    It looks like the fox fork should be fine... I would like to run Nevegal 2.3 up front.

    The rear end has clearance for up to a 2.5 x 26.

    Anyone tried this yet?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheous
    ****Kirk, how about some FR/DH duty 650B tires? (even if just beefier sidewalled Neo 2.3s?)
    +100

    Been watching the Kona Air Coil Frames on CL and thinking about how to put together a 650B AM/light free ride rig.

    Stans 650 flow hoops = money
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    I just picked up a 98 Kona Cinder Cone that will undergo torch therapy to install the Paul Component s/s horizontal dropouts. Now I'm thinking to go bigger up front. Would the 650 or 29 work up front you think? Bring on the comments! Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike A.
    I just picked up a 98 Kona Cinder Cone that will undergo torch therapy to install the Paul Component s/s horizontal dropouts. Now I'm thinking to go bigger up front. Would the 650 or 29 work up front you think? Bring on the comments! Thanks!
    Jah, dood. Lots of things to consider. One is that rim brake compatibility could be an issue on your sled. Since you are getting those hos strapped onto the bike, I am going to suppose a rigid fork with disc tabs taint too crazy.

    So the other shits and giggles to think about. First is that your bike is designed a fork of a certain length. Since 650b and 29er are a wee bit taller, it means your steering is going to change. 650b will be less noticeable. Most (probably all) 26" rigid forks fit 650b. Not all 26" forks fit 29er, though I find this hard to believe. I think my fork is about 410a-c (MC Flight 26") and it fits a 2.1 29er tire and it is a shorter fork.

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    yah...beer...this pup came with the Surly fork that is disc ready...beer...so maybe that's what I do....beer.....go with a 650b up and do the disc brakes. gonna have some fun...beer....with this project!

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    Pivot Mach 5

    Don't know if anyone threw this in yet, but I tried the stock wheel from a Jamis 650b (Kenda Nevegal) in a Pivot Mach 5 and it cleared. Not tons of room but seemed like it would work. As the shop guy chuckled; "Hope you don't run into any mud."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike A.
    I just picked up a 98 Kona Cinder Cone that will undergo torch therapy to install the Paul Component s/s horizontal dropouts. Now I'm thinking to go bigger up front. Would the 650 or 29 work up front you think? Bring on the comments! Thanks!
    It'll work in front and back with something like a Quasi-Moto!

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    What do you guys think about turning a 1998 Kona Cinder Cone in b26'er or whatever you call it? I'm going singlespeed (Paul Comp. horizontal drops will be welded on in a week or so), and then I'm thinking 650b up front with Surly Instigator fork (already have that) and 26in in the rear. Tell me what you think about dat!

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    cross post My new custom Siren and the San Jacinto Enduro
    Quote Originally Posted by veloreality
    threw my 650b's on there to check the clearence before he buys some wheels.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/somuchforsale/5200988958/" title="dans siren by veloreality, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5200988958_3872699dd7_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="dans siren" /></a>

    his manitu minute 2.00 fork has tight clearance with a 2.3 neo moto but i dont think he didnt plan on running a tire that large anyways.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/somuchforsale/5200396987/" title="IMG_9002 by veloreality, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5243/5200396987_8f33dfa36f_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="IMG_9002" /></a>

    killer clearance on the rear with a 2.00 quasi moto and the sliders pretty much slammed.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/somuchforsale/5200989372/" title="dans siren by veloreality, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5200989372_fdcef166f9_b.jpg" width="683" height="1024" alt="dans siren" /></a>

    who thinks the white wheels looks badass on this beast? i think some purple i9 to white blunts would suite it well

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    [QUOTE=who thinks the white wheels looks badass on this beast? i think some purple i9 to white blunts would suite it well [/QUOTE]

    Would even look better with a Lefty and some Red Project321's...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat
    Don't know if anyone threw this in yet, but I tried the stock wheel from a Jamis 650b (Kenda Nevegal) in a Pivot Mach 5 and it cleared. Not tons of room but seemed like it would work. As the shop guy chuckled; "Hope you don't run into any mud."
    Which size of Nevegals did you try? 2.1 or 2.35?

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    There was some discussion of Mojo HD compatibility with 650b. I'm a bit skeptical. I had a regular QR hub instead of a 12mm, so it wasn't possible to truly test the fit, but the fit didn't look any better than the regular Mojo in my opinion.

    Edit 12/28: Just took delivery. Since the rear QR hub won't fit from my current wheelset, I held my front wheel in the swingarm with the thru-axle roughly aligned. It's close, but even with a NeoMoto 2.3 the fit looks feasible enough to justify building up a wheel and giving it a shot. Also, I did find a post by Derby elsewhere claiming that the Neo 2.3 fits fine on the HD. It may be awhile before I have time to build up a wheel, but if it fits I'll follow up with pictures.
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    Since I was unable to get another set of Quasi-Moto's I went for the Kenda Nevegal 2.1. Fits the Scott Spark30 the same. I'm glad it works because I really didn't want to go back to 26". No pics yet because my new camera is on order but I will update with pics soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mofoki
    Since I was unable to get another set of Quasi-Moto's I went for the Kenda Nevegal 2.1. Fits the Scott Spark30 the same. I'm glad it works because I really didn't want to go back to 26". No pics yet because my new camera is on order but I will update with pics soon.
    Quasi-moto's are not available?

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    what do you guys think about the possibility of a 98 Kona Cinder Cone going full 650b? I'll have no prob going 650b fore, but what about going 650b aft with the use of Paul Comp horizontal drops? (I'm converting it to singlespeed)

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    Oh I measured one of the newer rocky mountain frames last week, a 16.5" 2009 Vapour, which is very entry level model and the Neo 2.35 fits fine..
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    [confirmed] 2003 cannondale gemini b9er
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    i dont have any pics yet, but i picked up a trek fuel 9.9 frame, and my 650b nevegal 2.1's clear with maybe a little more than 1/8" of room. The tires are pretty damn new.
    Also, i have a 2005ish manitou minute 2:00 and a Manitou R7, both 100mm, and they both clear as well. I did hear the front tire rub on the r7 on an extremely hard hit, one where i thought i was dead anyways. It did not stop the wheel at all. Neither fork has ever rubbed other than that.

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    hey, that be mine!

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    r7 fit

    im really disappointed my new WTB LaseDisc Trail650B with a Wolverine 2.2 didnt fit my Manitou R7 100mm Competition front fork on my 2nd bike..

    i love the 650B up front on my Trance with a Fox fork.. but on the R7 it rubs on the fork brace.. yet i read it fit for others..?

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    Anyone try 650's on a transition Trans am? Just picked up a small frame & I have a fox 120 rl waiting to be ridden!

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    '05 - '06 Rockhopper frames are a Go!

    Feeling a bit late to the party, but hopefully the keg's not dry yet.

    Just picked up a 19" 2005 Rockhopper, and had to do a double take when I got into the rack -- I couldn't believe how much room there is.:

    With my 2.1 Motoraptor:


    I pulled my front ZTR355 and tubeless mounted 2.35 NEVEGAL front wheel, and had my wife hold it in the drops using a long allen wrench as a through bolt, and I gave the wheel a spin -- plenty of clearance! Check this out:

    ~3mm at the seat stays:


    And about the same at the chain stays:


    I need to go ride this bike with the little wheels to make sure I can fit it (~1/2 short ETT than I usually ride), but will promptly have a wheel built up if the bike works for me. Even if it fits me, I won't be using a 2.35 Nev in the rear, but I posted these pics because a) this was the tire I had on hand, and b) because it pretty dramatically shows that any 650b tire available will work in the back of this bike. I figure if I can have 3mm clearance with this behemoth tire, I should have oodles of good, muddy crud clearance with a 2.1 or so.

    Oh, and the BB height? Stock with 26" wheels sits at 299mm, which is just of shy of 12", which should leave it sitting nicely with 650b tires, don't you think?... Swan Dive!
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    I remember hearing my Titus Eleven was a 650b, any truth to that?

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    bmxpimp, I have an X-small Titus Eleven with a fox fork and 650b fit in the front and rear.

    I posted some photos on page 4 of this thread on 1-9-2010 and 1-10-2010.

    I liked the way the big wheel slowed the steering down just a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    Transition TransAm will fit the NeoMotos. Officially they clear 26 x 2.5s but the 2.5 clearance is all the way to the seat and chainstay bridge points, which is 14" from axle center with the axles run all the way forwards in the dropouts (they're rear entry with an optional derailleur hanger mount).
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    Good job! 2010 Jamis Xam2 / 650b

    You can add 2010 JAMIS XAM2 6" AM bike....just christened it on a full moon night ride. No issues with fit(Neo 2.3s), no rubs, no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entrenador
    Feeling a bit late to the party, but hopefully the keg's not dry yet.

    Just picked up a 19" 2005 Rockhopper, and had to do a double take when I got into the rack -- I couldn't believe how much room there is.:

    With my 2.1 Motoraptor:


    I pulled my front ZTR355 and tubeless mounted 2.35 NEVEGAL front wheel, and had my wife hold it in the drops using a long allen wrench as a through bolt, and I gave the wheel a spin -- plenty of clearance! Check this out:

    ~3mm at the seat stays:


    And about the same at the chain stays:


    I need to go ride this bike with the little wheels to make sure I can fit it (~1/2 short ETT than I usually ride), but will promptly have a wheel built up if the bike works for me. Even if it fits me, I won't be using a 2.35 Nev in the rear, but I posted these pics because a) this was the tire I had on hand, and b) because it pretty dramatically shows that any 650b tire available will work in the back of this bike. I figure if I can have 3mm clearance with this behemoth tire, I should have oodles of good, muddy crud clearance with a 2.1 or so.

    Oh, and the BB height? Stock with 26" wheels sits at 299mm, which is just of shy of 12", which should leave it sitting nicely with 650b tires, don't you think?... Swan Dive!
    I was searching for the specs. I found that your 06 rockhopper's chainstays are 426mm and my 07 stumpjumper's are 424mm. I still would like to see it 650B would fit on the rear.
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