• 01-27-2013
    Motomatt
    KHS Sixfifty Team 650B Carbon Frame
    My new 650B 1x11 17.28 lb / 7850 kg






  • 01-27-2013
    FNFAL
    Looks fantastic. I'm wanting to build up a hardtail much like this, but will probably go 1x10 for now.

    I see you're on Strava. What do you race? Cat1? XCO?
  • 01-27-2013
    smellurfingers
    Cool road bike.
  • 01-27-2013
    talabardio
    Hey sweet this must be a new design? It doesn't have the goofy curved top tube like the current one.
  • 01-27-2013
    musikfan
    that fork looks weird. Appears to have not enough rake.
    only downside to this frame is the cables run outside of the frame, the under side of the downtube is cupped, meaning it will hold mud and dirt like crazy.
    It's a nice frame though and I think will be around for awhile.
  • 01-28-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FNFAL View Post
    Looks fantastic. I'm wanting to build up a hardtail much like this, but will probably go 1x10 for now.

    I see you're on Strava. What do you race? Cat1? XCO?

    Thank you :thumbsup: My Last race was in 10/7/07 Geoladders -- INCYCLE / SC-Velo Challenge, Bonelli - 10/7/07
  • 01-28-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talabardio View Post
    Hey sweet this must be a new design? It doesn't have the goofy curved top tube like the current one.

    Thank you :thumbsup: My is a Small :), I have not seen the Medium, or large yet.
  • 01-28-2013
    sjones
    Frame cost?
  • 01-28-2013
    reformed roadie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smellurfingers View Post
    Cool road bike.

    I'll take the 2 pound weight penalty for a SID and have better comfort, stability, traction, etc.

    ...and still be well under 20lbs! Maybe sub-19#.
  • 01-28-2013
    Axe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smellurfingers View Post
    Cool road bike.

    Bollocks. Those are not showroom weenie special tires or rims or drivetrain.. And plenty people race rigid forks. I would have replace those skewers though with bolt-on Control-techs.. The only bit I would not trust on this build. ;)
  • 01-28-2013
    Hurricane Jeff
    Thats an awesome bike, although I don't buy into the fully rigid idea. I believe comfort, control and reliability trumps weight anytime.
  • 01-28-2013
    Axe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    Thats an awesome bike, although I don't buy into the fully rigid idea. I believe comfort, control and reliability trumps weight anytime.

    Rigid fork are pretty darn reliable I would say. Don't remember having to rebuild one. ;) And control is good with a proper tire and an appropriate trail.
  • 01-28-2013
    FNFAL
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    Thats an awesome bike, although I don't buy into the fully rigid idea. I believe comfort, control and reliability trumps weight anytime.

    there's more to comfort than suspension.
  • 01-28-2013
    Hurricane Jeff
    While true, a rigid fork is relieable, I was covering a broad range of weight savings while talking about relieability, not necessarily the fork. The fact is, I've been riding mtbs( since 1982) before most on this site were born, and yes fully rigid, I swore to never ride rigid off road again after the advent of suspension forks but, to each his own.
  • 01-28-2013
    mudfoot124
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Motomatt View Post
    My new 650B 1x11 17.28 lb / 7850 kg
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    sweet looking ride. Enjoy
  • 01-28-2013
    Axe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    I swore to never ride rigid off road again after the advent of suspension forks but, to each his own.

    So fatbikes and trial bikes are not for you? ;)
  • 01-28-2013
    Hurricane Jeff
    All I said is, fully rigid is not for me,.I believe on some situtions they can be more effient, most of so. cal is not one of those places. Like I said, to each his own.
    Are you talking fully rigid trail bikes? havent seen one of those, fat bikes arent they suspended?
    I ride a 650b SC Blur and a hardtail ss....my road bike is fully rigid though
  • 01-28-2013
    Axe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    fat bikes arent they suspended?

    No.

    No need for suspension with 4"+ wide 5psi tires.
  • 01-28-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    I'll take the 2 pound weight penalty for a SID and have better comfort, stability, traction, etc.

    ...and still be well under 20lbs! Maybe sub-19#.

    Ben there, I love rigid:thumbsup:
  • 01-28-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    Thats an awesome bike, although I don't buy into the fully rigid idea. I believe comfort, control and reliability trumps weight anytime.

    Thank you:thumbsup:
    I rode the hell out of my last Ritchey WCS-Carbon fork, Works great for my riding :)I am not a all mountain rider
  • 01-28-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Rigid fork are pretty darn reliable I would say. Don't remember having to rebuild one. ;) And control is good with a proper tire and an appropriate trail.

    Very true :)
  • 01-28-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mudfoot124 View Post
    sweet looking ride. Enjoy

    Thank You :thumbsup:
  • 01-28-2013
    Hurricane Jeff
    I was thinking about picking up the very same frameset, same XX1, but with a suspension fork. I mostly race XC, Cat 1 50+ in So.Cal. My race bike is a converted ( to 650b) SC Blur XCc, wouldn't mind a hardtail for some races. Like I said, your bike is pretty damn awesome!
  • 01-29-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    I was thinking about picking up the very same frameset, same XX1, but with a suspension fork. I mostly race XC, Cat 1 50+ in So.Cal. My race bike is a converted ( to 650b) SC Blur XCc, wouldn't mind a hardtail for some races. Like I said, your bike is pretty damn awesome!

    Thank you :thumbsup: Where do you usually ride ?
  • 01-29-2013
    iamspartacus
    Love this new KHS design. I was looking at the model under this one. I am becoming a big fan of the 650b wheels too. They ride like my 26", but you do feel likeyou can roll over anything. Someday, someday soon!!!!........but so hard to go HT after loving my FS. I need another bike!!!!!
  • 01-29-2013
    michael9218
    Sweet looking bike!

    My large Hong-Fu 650b weighs in at 17.7lbs, also a 1x, but I did opt for some cushion in my saddle. :)

    I also went rigid, but really only because there isn't yet a low weight short travel 650b fork. I'm waiting for the SID World Cup. In the meantime I built a 29" front wheel mounted to a 465mm rigid fork. I have to admit, the rollover of the 29" paired with the 650b rear is pretty sweet. Still a bit bouncy over big hits, though, so I'm not sure yet on the rigid thing.
  • 01-29-2013
    Hurricane Jeff
    I'm a So Cal local, I live in Big Bear and do most of my riding up there. I occassinally ride down in Marshall Canyon, Chino Hills, GMR, etc.
    I know tons of riders in your area, used to live in La Verne.
  • 01-29-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by michael9218 View Post
    Sweet looking bike!

    My large Hong-Fu 650b weighs in at 17.7lbs, also a 1x, but I did opt for some cushion in my saddle. :)

    I also went rigid, but really only because there isn't yet a low weight short travel 650b fork. I'm waiting for the SID World Cup. In the meantime I built a 29" front wheel mounted to a 465mm rigid fork. I have to admit, the rollover of the 29" paired with the 650b rear is pretty sweet. Still a bit bouncy over big hits, though, so I'm not sure yet on the rigid thing.

    Thank you :thumbsup: My last bike I built a 650B front wheel on a Ritchey carbon fork, loved that ride for 3 yrs
  • 01-29-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    I'm a So Cal local, I live in Big Bear and do most of my riding up there. I occassinally ride down in Marshall Canyon, Chino Hills, GMR, etc.
    I know tons of riders in your area, used to live in La Verne.

    5-7 yrs ago I used to race the Rim Nordic series, I would drive up on Tuesdays and ride the track That was great , Now I ride Caron Canyon, Fullerton Loop, Whiting Ranch,etc.
  • 01-31-2013
    Axe
    Kinda fitting that this thread is being spammed by sex toys peddlers.
  • 02-02-2013
    Motomatt
    1ST ride on KHS Sixfifty Team SRAM XX1 , Great ride :thumbsup:, love the bike :-)
  • 02-06-2013
    jochribs
    Your bike looks great. A look at the KHS site shows a ridiculously curved top tube though. I'm guessing that the larger sizes have this? I'll fire off an email to KHS to see what's going on with that.
  • 02-06-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    Your bike looks great. A look at the KHS site shows a ridiculously curved top tube though. I'm guessing that the larger sizes have this? I'll fire off an email to KHS to see what's going on with that.

    Thank you:thumbsup: If the small had a curved top tube it would have ruined the stand over for me.
  • 02-07-2013
    jochribs
    The sizes medium and large do infact have an upward curving toptube.
  • 02-07-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    The sizes medium and large do infact have an upward curving toptube.

    I am glad I'm a small :thumbsup::)
  • 02-08-2013
    jochribs
    Ha! I hear ya. I'm not sure why they did that curve, in my humble opinion. Bit of a bummer. I'm looking for a XC type 650 hardtail frame to build up and would have strongly considered this one, if not for that.
  • 02-11-2013
    iamspartacus
    Motomatt, can we get more photos of the top and downtube? Print ads don't really show scale, size or shap of these. Thanks!
  • 02-11-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iamspartacus View Post
    Motomatt, can we get more photos of the top and downtube? Print ads don't really show scale, size or shap of these. Thanks!

    Do you want a close up of the top and downtube?
  • 02-11-2013
    iamspartacus
    Yes. I want to be able to distinquish the shapes. Also, if you can put a scale in place to reference the sizes of the tubes, that would be great. When I go 27.5, I want this bike!!!
  • 02-11-2013
    JMac47
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    Ha! I hear ya. I'm not sure why they did that curve, in my humble opinion. Bit of a bummer. I'm looking for a XC type 650 hardtail frame to build up and would have strongly considered this one, if not for that.

    No doubt for structural integrity due to tt length.
  • 02-11-2013
    jochribs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    No doubt for structural integrity due to tt length.

    Please elaborate on your thinking behind this.
  • 02-11-2013
    JMac47
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    Please elaborate on your thinking behind this.

    Sure as long as there's a disclaimer that I don't have any engineering behind it. Coming from a construction way of thinking of it as a truss/beam, longer the member/span, more need for camber/arch, or bracing of some kind.

    Pretty much the same in most of the bike lines.
  • 02-11-2013
    jochribs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Sure as long as there's a disclaimer that I don't have any engineering behind it. Coming from a construction way of thinking of it as a truss/beam, longer the member/span, more need for camber/arch, or bracing of some kind.

    Pretty much the same in most of the bike lines.

    I get what you're saying, but if that were the case, I would think that every top tube on just about every bike out would be arched up like that. Those top tubes aren't any great deal longer than anything else out right now. I tend to think these look way different than most bike lines right now, thankfully.

    I don't mean to knock it, or your possible reasoning behind it, just ain't my thing.
  • 02-11-2013
    JMac47
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    I get what you're saying, but if that were the case, I would think that every top tube on just about every bike out would be arched up like that. Those top tubes aren't any great deal longer than anything else out right now. I tend to think these look way different than most bike lines right now, thankfully.

    I don't mean to knock it, or your possible reasoning behind it, just ain't my thing.

    Take a look at the carbon bikes that are out, ht or fs, most have some type of curve, exagerated or not.
  • 02-12-2013
    jochribs
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Take a look at the carbon bikes that are out, ht or fs, most have some type of curve, exagerated or not.

    Yes Jmac47, there is some sort of shaping, carbon or aluminum (hydroforming), generally up toward the headtube area. Makes sense and always has, as this acts as a gusset of sorts for the headtube. I am aware of this. My Stumpjumper HT has it a touch. I get the point you are trying to relay.

    I think the point to make here can be made more clear using the term you used..."exaggerated". I haven't taken note of any that are so "exaggerated" with not a hint of any straight section, anywhere over the length of the top tube, such as the medium and large size offerings of this frame. And honestly, I can't see it really providing any huge structural necessity. I can't see that evenly radiused, arching top tube doing anything for strength in terms of where it would count, and that would be in helping to stabilize the headtube I surmise. I could be wrong, as I don't fully know the engineering of bike frames, but it would be my strong guess that they only thing that top tube would help with is when you are sitting on it, and placing downward force on it.

    I come from a construction background myself, and rafters and joists are place crown 'up', so they resist sagging in the other direction, because loads are being placed on them in that direction, not from one end or the other. Same goes for trusses and arches.

    Anyway, I don't really care about this that much, and we are detracting from the OP's thread, who has a really awesome bike.
  • 02-12-2013
    Motomatt
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    Originally Posted by iamspartacus View Post
    Yes. I want to be able to distinquish the shapes. Also, if you can put a scale in place to reference the sizes of the tubes, that would be great. When I go 27.5, I want this bike!!!

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  • 02-12-2013
    iamspartacus
    Motomatt, incredible photos! So the top tube is almost flat? When you ride, does this frame seem incredibly stiff? Do you feel any absorption in rear stays? The more of this bike I see, the more I want one. Thanks again!!!
  • 02-12-2013
    jochribs
    That thing is really sharp Matt.
  • 02-12-2013
    JMac47
    All said and done.
    Probably just some new marketing design strategy....
  • 02-12-2013
    Motomatt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iamspartacus View Post
    Motomatt, incredible photos! So the top tube is almost flat? When you ride, does this frame seem incredibly stiff? Do you feel any absorption in rear stays? The more of this bike I see, the more I want one. Thanks again!!!

    Thank you :thumbsup: Yes top tube is almost flat, I am loving the ride of this bike, Very stable,confidence inspiring ride. I notice quite a bit more absorption compared to my Azonic.