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    Ibis Mojo HDR 650B??

    Ibis is announcing a new bike 6/10. There is a lot speculation by the ibisians but the concesus is that it is a Mojo HD-R 650B. Details sleuthed from the ibis website:

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    130mm travel with 650b wheels
    • 160mm Post Mount Rear Brake, 180/185 rotors work with adapters
    • BB height w/ 2.3" tires: 352mm (13.8")
    • Geometry measured with 140mm 650b 34 Fox fork, 534.4 Axle to Crown height
    • Trail: 100mm

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    If that's the speculation, I'll stick with my 650b Mojo HD 140. Where did that travel number come from? I personally would have expected a 150mm bike.

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    agreed those specs seem weak given what the current HD converted to 650b has...

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    It's not going to be 130mm

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    what's wrong with 130mm, especially if it fits all manner of tires without issue or need for travel reduction on the stock shock? works for loads of very popular bikes. seems a 'win' to me. especially if you can still get a 140. /shrug

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    130=not going to happen.

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    HD and 130 don't belong in the same sentence. The HD 650 is going to be a Bronson competitor, not an XC bike.

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    why don't they just come out with a new rear triangle that fits HD160 frame and accommodates bigger tires/full travel? wouldn't that be great...

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    It doesn't work like that, plus they might be doing updated layups and different linkages. A lot of us that have rode the HD in the 650B config don't like it as much. You cannot just design a new rear and fit it to the front and call it a day. Ibis knows this. Again if the frame is even an HD update. Again nobody knowsssssssss till Monday, but I will see it Monday.

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    we'll just hold our breath and cynical replies till June 10....;-)

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    I am about to pull the trigger on a long travel AM bike, still trying to decide on a 29er or a 650b. I rode the HD and the Ripley, liked the HD, loved the Ripley but wanted at least 140mm of travel. Frankly the amount of time Ibis takes to put out a bike is very disapointing to say the least, case and point the Ripley! People have been demanding a 650b HD for years now. That is the bike I want, the bike I will not hesitate to pull the trigger on. Yet having to wait all summer without a ride, well thats just cruel!

    Meanwhile Santa Cruz has put out the Bronson and Solo in addition to their Tallboy LT! All of which seem to be readily available!

    So my question is ... realistically when can I expect to have the Mojo HD 650b in my hands and on the trail?

    Should I just go get the Bronson and put an end to this endless wait? Also interested in the Enduro 29er, but even though it has been released no shops have em! Why is the bike industry dragging its feet in a massive cluster f@$% of logistics?<k of="" logistics?<="" html=""></k>

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMjunky View Post
    So my question is ... realistically when can I expect to have the Mojo HD 650b in my hands and on the trail?
    How can we know? You can convert a 26" HD 140 to 650b today, that setup is approved by Ibis. Besides that, anything we have is speculation. Speculating is fun but I would not use it as a decision factor for planning a bike purchase. We might know more on Monday when Ibis makes their announcement.

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    My sense is you will not have to wait that long, but it may be difficult to get one until later in the summer. I still don't understand why everyone got so uptight about the Ripley--they showed a protoype version and specifically stated it would not be available for some time. When they finally did release it, frames were ready and out the door pretty much immediately. Ibis has said that they are moving towards a model of being more secretive about new bikes until they are ready to ship. Personally, I prefer knowing whether something is coming because I can wait. Others seem to take that so much harder.

    On the bike itself, seems that the best speculation is a 150/130 limbo chipped HD-R 650b with some of the frame design elements developed with the SLR.

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    I think in the case of the Ripley it was developing and ironing out all the kinks in the eccentrics which changed multiple times and then they had to switch up carbon manufacturers to meet the expected QC. Long travel eccentrics might prove difficult. Do they have to increase in size to get the needed travel??? Maybe we will still see little links still but the eccentrics are very slick. Hard to believe they would drop the travel to 130mm either. HD owners and fans will cry foul. I see no reason why it couldn't be 140, 150, or 160. Pick the right shock length combined with limbo chips and bingo, have it your way.

    All I know is if the newly revealed bike is a slick new HD 650B my new Banshee Spitfire V2 frame might never leave the shipping box. No other new bike frame but a true 650B HD would make me think of doing something that crazy. Now the wait until Monday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    All I know is if the newly revealed bike is a slick new HD 650B my new Banshee Spitfire V2 frame might never leave the shipping box. No other new bike frame but a true 650B HD would make me think of doing something that crazy. Now the wait until Monday!
    LOL Skidad! Do not be crazy and build that bad baby already, I want to see it in action. I am with you btw., a 130mm HD is not happening. This is a super exciting year for 650b fans, is not it?

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    Interesting. I was wondering when Ibis would hit the 650B officially. So many tough choices in the 650B and 29'er enduro bike market right now!

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    Changing the HD to 130mm travel, is as good of an idea as a breast reduction for cosmetic reasons. Its almost never a good idea to kill the fun factor in favor of practicality.

    140mm HD 650b - NO!
    150mm HD 650b - OK, fine I'll take it!
    160mm HD 650b - YES Please!
    170mm HD 650b - HMMMMM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMjunky View Post
    Changing the HD to 130mm travel, is as good of an idea as a breast reduction for cosmetic reasons. Its almost never a good idea to kill the fun factor in favor of practicality.

    140mm HD 650b - NO!
    150mm HD 650b - OK, fine I'll take it!
    160mm HD 650b - YES Please!
    170mm HD 650b - HMMMMM?
    Definitely 160mm is the most interesting possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msimmons View Post
    Ibis is announcing a new bike 6/10. There is a lot speculation by the ibisians but the concesus is that it is a Mojo HD-R 650B. Details sleuthed from the ibis website:

    HD-R b-Sample
    130mm travel with 650b wheels
    • 160mm Post Mount Rear Brake, 180/185 rotors work with adapters
    • BB height w/ 2.3" tires: 352mm (13.8")
    • Geometry measured with 140mm 650b 34 Fox fork, 534.4 Axle to Crown height
    • Trail: 100mm
    Im betting this too, but also the ability to throw in 26in wheels and out it back to 160mm

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    I love the way my Mojo SL 650B handles! But...I have had my eye on a new Ripley. And now the possibility of an HD-R 650B. TOUGH choices!!!

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    The problem is, a 650b bike with less than 150mm of travel wouldn't be interesting. It wouldn't be a bike Ibis would be willing to make. Ibis wouldn't release a second 140mm bike with slight geometry differences and fairly similar wheel sizes. A shorter travel 650b bike would be silly, with the Ripley as nimble as it reportedly is. The most compelling case for a 650b full-suspension bike is the longer-travel AM bike, and Ibis is farsighted enough (and sensitive enough to its customers) to know this. That points to an updated HD at around 160mm.

    Between the Ripley and the SL/SL-R, I cannot imagine Ibis being stupid enough to release a 130mm trail bike. It won't happen, and if it's what's released tomorrow, I will go to goodwill and purchase a hat just so I can eat it.

    Addendum: I meant the above to only consider full-suspension bikes. Personally I think a 650b Tranny built into a 17lb rocketship would be a barrel of fun too, but I don't think anyone's seriously expecting that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazarus2405 View Post
    The problem is, a 650b bike with less than 150mm of travel wouldn't be interesting. It wouldn't be a bike Ibis would be willing to make. Ibis wouldn't release a second 140mm bike with slight geometry differences and fairly similar wheel sizes. A shorter travel 650b bike would be silly, with the Ripley as nimble as it reportedly is. The most compelling case for a 650b full-suspension bike is the longer-travel AM bike, and Ibis is farsighted enough (and sensitive enough to its customers) to know this. That points to an updated HD at around 160mm.

    Between the Ripley and the SL/SL-R, I cannot imagine Ibis being stupid enough to release a 130mm trail bike. It won't happen, and if it's what's released tomorrow, I will go to goodwill and purchase a hat just so I can eat it.

    Addendum: I meant the above to only consider full-suspension bikes. Personally I think a 650b Tranny built into a 17lb rocketship would be a barrel of fun too, but I don't think anyone's seriously expecting that.
    Will you eat the hat if it is 130-150 adjustable travel?

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    Mojo HDR 650B released!

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    Re: Ibis Mojo HDR 650B??

    Quote Originally Posted by pdumas View Post
    Will you eat the hat if it is 130-150 adjustable travel?
    Have you ridden the Ripley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    Have you ridden the Ripley?

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    I have not. My 29er is a hardtail and will stay that way. My 26er is an HD and will stay that way. I just had a feeling that the new 650b bike would be 130-150 travel, as did others. I was simply curious if the man would eat the hat in that case. I think he owes it to us to eat the hat.

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    I am getting an Unauthorized Access message to that link... also from the Ibis email newsletter :-(
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    Somehow a deflating event for me. The 150 mode is exactly the same as the 160 mode, you have to shim the shock to prevent rear tire from hitting the seat tube. The 130 mode drops the BB by about 1/2" and obviously uses a slightly different leverage ratio curve via new limbo chips. The rear triangle seems be offering exactly the same amount of room for rear tires as the HD; chain stays have the same length and site says some of the 2.35 tires will fit (meaning many of the 2.25 tires will not).

    Good thing is, I am not tempted to hand over cash for new stuff!

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    Actually, there is a bunch more room / the swing arm has been retooled for 650b clearance. Sorry, we didn't make that clear, it's important ; )
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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Somehow a deflating event for me. The 150 mode is exactly the same as the 160 mode, you have to shim the shock to prevent rear tire from hitting the seat tube. The 130 mode drops the BB by about 1/2" and obviously uses a slightly different leverage ratio curve via new limbo chips. The rear triangle seems be offering exactly the same amount of room for rear tires as the HD; chain stays have the same length and site says some of the 2.35 tires will fit (meaning many of the 2.25 tires will not).

    Good thing is, I am not tempted to hand over cash for new stuff!

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    130mm = FAIL.

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    seems like a lot of R & D was done by the folks on here who converted to 650b...

    Hans, I am curious if the swing arm was retooled why didnt y'all get the max advantage and modify to get full 160mm travel out of it? as StiHacka said I am not tempted by this over my HD160 650b conversion...this doesn't seem like a big improvement
    just sayin'...nice lookin bike in any case

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    Actually, there is a bunch more room / the swing arm has been retooled for 650b clearance. Sorry, we didn't make that clear, it's important ; )
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    Thank you Hans. Yep, you should highlight that as one of the major improvements, moar space for tires is critical! Will we be able to retrofit the new triangle to existing HD frames? I managed to gauge the yoke pretty bad.

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    Wow, initial impression, what a disappointment!!!! 130mm on an HD is blasphemy! Hard to imagine a bigger build up and FAIL!

    Still reading all the specs, but how is this different than the previous HD than you could shim down to 150mm?

    Now its covered by warranty and is slightly lighter. Was a 160mm 650b HD that hard to make? Norco had no problems doing it!

    Oh yeah and internal cable routing would have been nice.

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    The HDR swingarm does not directly retrofit on to the HD.
    Yet.
    In addition to adding a more tire clearance, we offset the link attachment points to get more clearance for FD and ISCG. We are planning on making some retrofit swing arms for people would want to put them on HDs. It will be several months away before we can do it, maybe around the end of the year, but we're planning on it. It is a 2mm shift in the suspension pivot tubes, so we can make a special run of swing arms for retrofit. Then you'd have more tire and chain clearance.

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    Thank you Hans! Best of luck to HDR and I am looking forward to seeing a dedicated 650b trail monster with eccentric links at some point in the future.

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    I've been fortunate to have an Ibis Mojo HDR since mid May. I headed over to Melrose South Australia for a few weeks to check it out and with the bike's release am now able to post a few stories on it!

    It's been a whole load of fun... and amongst other things a perfect opportunity to explore 26" vs 650b back to back. I was blown away by what followed...!

    Links to stories:

    Ibis Mojo HDR First Look | Ibis Mojo HDR

    Ibis Mojo HDR ISCG Mount | Ibis Mojo HDR

    Ibis Mojo HDR 26" to 650b Conversion | Ibis Mojo HDR

    Ibis Mojo HDR 650b vs Mojo HDR 26" | Ibis Mojo HDR

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    to call this new bike a FAIL - without throwing a leg over it - is pretty ridiculous. I - and most likely many of you - have ridden many a bike that either punched above their weight class or failed to live up - based on the paper spec - im intrigued for many reasons and will reserve any/all "judgement til a ride.

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    Pete - Curious if there are any changes/tweaks to the suspension curve compared to your existing HD? or does it ride the same (nothing wrong with that

    Quote Originally Posted by digitalhippie13 View Post
    I've been fortunate to have an Ibis Mojo HDR since mid May. I headed over to Melrose South Australia for a few weeks to check it out and with the bike's release am now able to post a few stories on it!

    It's been a whole load of fun... and amongst other things a perfect opportunity to explore 26" vs 650b back to back. I was blown away by what followed...!

    Links to stories:

    Ibis Mojo HDR First Look | Ibis Mojo HDR

    Ibis Mojo HDR ISCG Mount | Ibis Mojo HDR

    Ibis Mojo HDR 26" to 650b Conversion | Ibis Mojo HDR

    Ibis Mojo HDR 650b vs Mojo HDR 26" | Ibis Mojo HDR

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    Many of us haven't tried or seen a HD 650b conversion, but know the complaints. High BB and little tire clearance. Does anyone know how the new 13.5 bb height compares to the prior converted HD's?

    Also for the 130 shock mode. I am somewhat confused. If say you bought a 650b HDR frame with the cane creek shock would this be a 130mm DB air shock going through all it's travel, or a 160mm shock that was limited in some way from using the full stroke.

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    26" Mojo HD 140: BB height 13.5" (posted on Ibis site)
    650b Mojo HD 140: BB height 14.0" (approx., 650b wheels raise the BB by 1/2")
    650b Mojo HDR 130: BB height 13.5" (posted on Ibis site)

    26" Mojo HD 160: BB height 13.8" (posted on Ibis site)
    650b Mojo HD 160: BB height 14.3" (approx., 650b wheels raise the BB by 1/2")
    26" Mojo HDR 160: BB height 13.8" (posted on Ibis site)
    650b Mojo HDR 160: BB height 14.3" (approx., 650b wheels raise the BB by 1/2")

    If you convert between 160 and 140/130 modes, you need two sizes of shock - 8.5"/2.5" for 160 or 7.875"/2.0" for 140 and 130.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seleniak View Post
    Pete - Curious if there are any changes/tweaks to the suspension curve compared to your existing HD? or does it ride the same (nothing wrong with that
    Previously I was running the original release of Mojo HD for 2 1/2 years so changing over to the HDR (setup as a 26" 160mm) a few things were in play. Performance-wise the new shock for example was a significant upgrade to my old one. Yep rode a bunch better. Probably the biggest thing overall though is the 'feel' of the HDR frame which has changed for the better imo. I'd reckon the change over to the use of SL-R molding technology and related weight reduction plays a part in this. I've ridden the HD, HDR and SL-R back to back and in terms of how the frame feels you do notice some of the positive characteristics of the SL-R present in the HDR, which the HD lacks. A friend who has also ridden HD's over the last couple of years along with SL-R and earlier Mojo's immediately commented on the same thing.

    I also rode the HDR set up as a 26" 160mm and a 650b 130mm back to back which TBH really blew me away as I was quietly expecting the 26" to rule, the trails however had other ideas!

    In terms of suspension curves and stuff, that'd be one for Ibis to comment on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    The HDR swingarm does not directly retrofit on to the HD.
    Yet.
    In addition to adding a more tire clearance, we offset the link attachment points to get more clearance for FD and ISCG. We are planning on making some retrofit swing arms for people would want to put them on HDs. It will be several months away before we can do it, maybe around the end of the year, but we're planning on it. It is a 2mm shift in the suspension pivot tubes, so we can make a special run of swing arms for retrofit. Then you'd have more tire and chain clearance.
    Hans,

    This is good news. That said, I have to say I'm kinda disappointed that there wasn't at least a bit of a warning to dealers (My dealer had no clue when I told them about the new model) about the HDR. I just received my HD 140 last week (still in the box) but might have ordered the HDR for the slight weight reduction and tire clearence. Hopefully the retrofit will be reasonably priced since many of us just shelled out some serious coin on a brand new HD. On a related note, will the rear triangle be available in the current HD colors (love my matte black/grey)?

    JR

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    I can't tell you how psyched I am Ibis announced the HD-R 650B and made it 130mm travel. I live in Michigan and really don't need anything over 100mm of travel but it is impossible to find a 650B bike with 100mm of travel. So 130mm will have to do. It is as close as I am going to get. I also want an Ibis bike bad. I love the lines on the bikes and all the reviews I have read have been stellar. I would not have even considered a 650B bike with 150mm of travel so when I opened up the Ibis homepage and saw the new 650B was 130mm of travel I was estatic. Going to order one as soon as they become available to competitive cyclist. Unfortunately we don't have any Ibis dealers in Michigan.

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    I'm amazed at how many people see this as a fail. What exactly do you want? The HD itself is an incredible bike and I can't really think of any other model out there that surpasses it (meaning overall better, not roughly the same but different characteristics like Nomad, Slayer, Firebird, Chilcotin, etc. etc.). All Ibis did was to improve a few of the minor issues--ISCG, frame construction, etc--and add capacity for 650b wheels. That's an awesome job in my book--recoginzing that you don't need a brand new item, just a steady improvement on an already top notch product!

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    It sounds like the HDR frame is going to be very versatile and can be built up several ways for 650b.
    I hope Ibis or someone can come up with a list of variations and head angles/BB height on all the variations.
    I assume 130mm, 140mm and 150mm is going to be possible on the rear with 130mm, 140mm, 150mm and 160mm up front..?

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    i feel like many people are hating on this bike because it has the wrong name. ibis essentially just released a 130mm 650 bike and a 160/ 140mm 650 bike once the new triangle is ready to go.

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    I agree with this 100%. Kudos to Ibis for offering a bike that I really wanted. For the people who wanted more travel can't help you on that. Just so glad the bike was offered in 130mm of travel. Can't wait to order my Coral Blue HD-R 650B with the XT kit.

    Quote Originally Posted by thorkild View Post
    I'm amazed at how many people see this as a fail. What exactly do you want? The HD itself is an incredible bike and I can't really think of any other model out there that surpasses it (meaning overall better, not roughly the same but different characteristics like Nomad, Slayer, Firebird, Chilcotin, etc. etc.). All Ibis did was to improve a few of the minor issues--ISCG, frame construction, etc--and add capacity for 650b wheels. That's an awesome job in my book--recoginzing that you don't need a brand new item, just a steady improvement on an already top notch product!

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    i feel like many people are hating on this bike because it has the wrong name. ibis essentially just released a 130mm 650 bike and a 160/ 140mm 650 bike once the new triangle is ready to go.
    Actually, my sense is that the really just released a an updated HD--like the SL-R was an updated SL--with the following:

    (1) New rear triangle with increased capacity to allow 650b x 2.35 tires
    (2) Stronger lower linkage
    (3) Revised linkage placement, plus splined BB shell to allow ISCG adaptor
    (4) Revised frame construction to reduce weight and strength.

    What that gives us now is the same HD that we know and love, updated, and with full capacity to run 650b as 150mm or 130mm.

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    Not hatin just a bit disappointed. I was super stoked that it was coming out, I convinced myself it would be a totally new dedicated 160mm 650b HD. After all why would you do anything else with the HD? Especially when you have 2 140mm Mojo models to play with. Their bike lineup looks very redundant now.

    With the silhouette teaser pic they had up on the website with a 180mm fork, I was sure that this would be the 160mm 650b some of us wanted so bad for so long. I prefer a balanced suspension, same amount of travel up front and back. 150mm back 160mm front is kind of neither here nor there. The bike is trying to kill 3 birds with one stone. Though if that stone happens to be a boomerang you might be able to do it! Makes sense from a manufacturing point of view in this economy, but then you see the price...

    On a positive note I love the blue!

    What are the chances of seeing a 150mm 650b model to rival the entry level Bronson Carbon R AM? Ideally with a RS Pike/Lyric up front and a Sram drive train, or maybe a Special blend 150mm 650b? Under 4k? In the next few weeks on shop floors? Am I asking too much?

    Entry level bikes at 4K, what is the world coming too?

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