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    Guerilla Gravity Megatrail. Any Thoughts?

    Saw this vid on vitalmtb.com and went to their website to check it out:

    Trevor Trinkino Introduces the Guerrilla Gravity MEGATRAIL - Guerrilla Gravity - Mountain Biking Videos - Vital MTB

    Looks kind of interesting. Vitalmtb even has a review of it:

    Guerrilla Gravity Megatrail Frame - Reviews, Comparisons, Specs - Mountain Bike Frames - Vital MTB

    I haven't heard it discussed on here, so I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it.

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    If I remember correctly the smallest size has a 24=" top tube so I can't even consider buying one; looks interesting though.

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    Thanks for the link StiHacka. I'll check it out.

    I wonder if this single pivot is as good as they make it sound. They claim no bobbing while climbing.

    I sent an email to Guerrilla Gravity asking a few questions, and suggesting they offer a different color. They sent me a link to their paint shop and said you could choose any color they offered. I thought that was pretty cool.

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    I think the bike and company are awesome. I've had many discussions at races with the designer and he's got possibly the best head in the industry concerning geometry and common sense design. Especially at their price point this bike is a top contender. If you're concerned about the "modern geo" with the long front shoot him an email and he'll get you stoked on it. Also, as was mentioned above they have great customer service and infinite component and color options so you can get exactly what you want for much less $$ than if you bought a frame and built it up yourself. Also, MADE IN THE USA!
    Keep the Country country.

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    I wonder if the single pivot suspension can really be as bob free as they claim. If so it seems like a winner.

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    Also wonder how much of the great suspension is related to the CCDBA, and how much to the suspension design. Is it as good with a fox or X-Fusion shock on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    I wonder if the single pivot suspension can really be as bob free as they claim. If so it seems like a winner.
    I'm Matt, the engineer at GG.

    The marketing departments in the MTB industry have been trying to convince people for years that the pivot point of the suspension must move throughout the travel in order to pedal well, or that you need some sort of lockout on the shock. That's just simply not the case.
    WHERE the pivot point is located (despite whether it moves throughout the travel or not), combined with the leverage curve, frame stiffness, amount of travel and geometry are the biggest factors to making a bike climb well.
    In the VitalMTB review, they actually ended up not even using the Climb Switch on the DB Air CS when climbing in Trail Mode. Their preference was to leave the shock open in Trail Mode, and use the Climb Switch when climbing in Gravity Mode.

    Long story short, the Megatrail is designed to climb well, despite the lack of acronyms or patents. Come on down to GG and ride one to see for yourself.

    And, the geometry, if you go back through the Ridemonkey thread posted above, you can see the same questions come up about length. Lots of people have complained that the Megatrail is too long....until they rode one. And, then, I can't think of a single example where somebody has disagreed with the sizing after riding. Even people that are on the cusp between two sizes more often than not go with the larger choice. Again, come down to GG and hop on one to see for yourself.

    Feel free to ask any more questions as well.

    And, thanks Leland for the props!

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    I've got a medium megatrail. Coming off a carbon enduro. I'm pretty stoked on the new bike. It pedals better without a doubt. I think most of that is in the design because when I ride in "trail mode" I hardly ever turn on the climb switch. Doing so makes the rear end almost too stiff for techy climbs. When climbing in gravity mode that's different, it's needed, but that's gravity mode.

    Apples to apples I feel like the megatrail is a better all around bike than the enduro was and I've been stoked on it so far.

    If it matters I went from a large enduro to medium megatrail.
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    Ive been on my 650b Megatrail for about a month...came of a Giant Reign X prior..

    Bike really is incredible..pedals very well even with the shock open and I ride it exclusively in Gravity Mode..I do use the climb switch on long pedals to the top but my Giant wallowed more when hammering short punchy climbs mid descent..

    I ride really rough, tractionless tech that I used to ride a downhill bike on and it is really night and day better than the Giant..it just eats up square edge hits so good and the amount of traction at the rear wheel is also improved drastically...

    As far as the geometry goes I also pretty much wrote it off due to it seeming too long..After trying it at Sea Otter I couldn't believe how much better it felt than my Giant (23.2" TT)..I'm 5'10 and the medium is perfect..I'm running a 40mm stem and I could run a 50mm no problem..the riding position is wayyy more comfortable for climbing and it makes for a very centered feel on the bike on the way down..being able to move around without the seat up your ass and the stem in the way allows you to pump downsides and manual much easier....another word I would use to describe it is "balanced"...It is very predictable which makes for a very confidence inspiring ride...

    I really cant stress how good this bike is....Its so burly that I know its going to last me for years but if it ever needs to be replaced it will be with another one...Also to top it off the guys at GG are awesome to work with..they will answer whatever you need to know...its pretty cool being able to talk to the guys that build and design your bike instead of some huge company..not to mention its also nice to have something different than everyone else

    heres my bike...I also wrote a fairly in depth review on vitalmtb..think it is linked under the official vital review..for reference Im 5'10 190lb expert..been riding for almost 15years now and my trails are a mix of everything except loam but with an emphasis on gnar..




    If anybody lives in Southern Ca and wants to try mine you are more than welcome..I live in Santa Barbara..just pm me

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    Switched to a megatrail

    Quote Originally Posted by jurichar View Post
    I've got a medium megatrail. Coming off a carbon enduro. I'm pretty stoked on the new bike. It pedals better without a doubt. I think most of that is in the design because when I ride in "trail mode" I hardly ever turn on the climb switch. Doing so makes the rear end almost too stiff for techy climbs. When climbing in gravity mode that's different, it's needed, but that's gravity mode.

    Apples to apples I feel like the megatrail is a better all around bike than the enduro was and I've been stoked on it so far.

    If it matters I went from a large enduro to medium megatrail.
    I switched from a med intense tracer to a med GG megatrail. The cockpit is a tad longer and I like it. As for climbing ability, it beats my old tracer hands down climb switch on or off. One of the best atteibutes of the GG is the righty of the rear end. I knew my tracer was flexy, but after switching to the GG I didn't realize how much. In trail mode the GG does not seam as "plush" as the tracer but on the trail it just works. In gravity mode it is plush and shreds like a DH bike. At the end of the day it's a super fun bike made in Denver co from a group of guys the love riding fun bikes. It climbes better then most descends like my DH bike.

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    Just to be clear I'm no affiliated with Guerrilla Gravity in any way aside from being a happy customer...

    I know I've been singing it's praises on several websites and it deserves every word of it...I'm confident in saying I believe this is the best bike on the market hands down..When I decided to get a new bike I went all out pretty much building my dream bike..after researching everything on the market this thing was the winner in my mind..You really cant beat a well made single pivot..the small bump compliance/traction is on another level than the vpp bikes I've ridden including a similarly setup Intense Tracer 275c..

    This new style of geo is the future..wait a few years and all the big companies will start to go this direction..if you ride fast and aggressive on gnarly terrain once you ride a sub 66deg head angle you can't go back...The other day I let this thing loose on this high speed singletrack section that spits you into a rockgarden..I couldnt believe how good it felt at speed...when I checked my data after the ride it was 43mph and it felt rock solid..my old bike was so sketchy on that trail...After my third ride on this thing I was faster on every trail

    The big companies are already starting to go this way..they are just doing it slowly..look at the kona process and the new nomad...

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    I've been racing dh professionally for the past 4 years with a variety of companies, and this bike can damn near beat every dh bike I've ever ridden but it can also climb like a champ. There's nothing on the market that comes close to it in my opinion especially for the price, the ability to change the bike from trail mode to gravity mode basically gives you two very different bikes in one. I guarantee if you go down to the shop and give one a test ride with a proper suspension setup you will agree 100% with me. This bike continues to blow me away every time I ride it.

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    I got my Megatrail two days before my first enduro race of the season and the bike was perfect! It took no time at all to adjust to and it blew my Specialized Enduro out of the water in terms of performance both up and down the mountain. Most of the time I don't even bother using the climb switch on the DB-Air. My Enduro had a longer travel fork (170 Lyrik DH) but the Megatrail felt much more bottomless and in control on drops and steep descents.

    Also another really important point is that everyone at GG was great to work with when it came to choosing my build. This is something you don't get with the big companies and it can really make purchasing a bike much more pleasurable

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    I've got a med 650b (I'm a hair under 6'1" and will run a 50mm stem and wide bars)on order and should see it in a couple of weeks. My frame is being welded this week in fact. I'm beyond stoked!
    Thus far I cannot say enough good things about the group of people that is GG. It's been nothing but good, quick service and the ability to completely customize your build is so cool (even down to nipple/spoke color on wheel build).
    I had been shopping aggressive 6" bikes for a while to replace a Pivot Mach5.7 with nothing really getting me that excited. Once I came across the Megatrail though I was hooked. Made in US, modern geo, grassroots company, competitive price point, versatile design with an emphasis on getting rowdy. Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. I happened to be going through denver back in may and made sure to stop in their shop. Everyone was super nice and helpful and genuinely stoked on what they were doing. What really got me though was that just by doing a parking lot test (albeit a "technical" parking lot test on the hills and ledges behind the shop) I was ready to throw down money then and there. The bikes really feel THAT GOOD. I've been riding since the late 90's and have had/ridden a lot of nice rigs, but hot damn! I've never been on anything that just instantly felt so comfortable and stable and ready to get rowdy, yet also very willing to make tracks uphill too. Again, this is all from 15 minutes of urban dicking around, and I'm comfortable making those claims.
    All in all I won't know for sure until I have mine in hand and dialed in with some trail time, but I've had absolutely ZERO hesitancy or doubt with my purchase thus far.

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    Curious about the megatrail

    Quote Originally Posted by NAUBoone View Post
    I've got a med 650b (I'm a hair under 6'1" and will run a 50mm stem and wide bars)on order and should see it in a couple of weeks. My frame is being welded this week in fact. I'm beyond stoked!
    Thus far I cannot say enough good things about the group of people that is GG. It's been nothing but good, quick service and the ability to completely customize your build is so cool (even down to nipple/spoke color on wheel build).
    I had been shopping aggressive 6" bikes for a while to replace a Pivot Mach5.7 with nothing really getting me that excited. Once I came across the Megatrail though I was hooked. Made in US, modern geo, grassroots company, competitive price point, versatile design with an emphasis on getting rowdy. Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. I happened to be going through denver back in may and made sure to stop in their shop. Everyone was super nice and helpful and genuinely stoked on what they were doing. What really got me though was that just by doing a parking lot test (albeit a "technical" parking lot test on the hills and ledges behind the shop) I was ready to throw down money then and there. The bikes really feel THAT GOOD. I've been riding since the late 90's and have had/ridden a lot of nice rigs, but hot damn! I've never been on anything that just instantly felt so comfortable and stable and ready to get rowdy, yet also very willing to make tracks uphill too. Again, this is all from 15 minutes of urban dicking around, and I'm comfortable making those claims.
    All in all I won't know for sure until I have mine in hand and dialed in with some trail time, but I've had absolutely ZERO hesitancy or doubt with my purchase thus far.
    Hi. I came across the MEGATRAIL in some obscure web page somewhere and decided to try to find out more about it from people who own them. First, how long have you been waiting for your bike from the time your ordered it...? [please accurate about this], And also, I see that you are over 6 foot, and yet you're buying a Medium..??? I myself usually ride medium bikes, I'm 5'8". Every time I've tried a 'small' frame size, I've always regretted it due to how twitchy it ended up being at speed. A few weeks back, I had a bike on order but got cold feet at the last minute...it was a custom Ibis Mojo HDR build up. I had narrowed it down to three bikes aside from the possibility of the 'Megatrail' : Ibis Mojo HDR, EVIL UPRISING, or YETI SB-66....all in 26" format. The EVIL kind of scares me a bit : 1. crappy tire clearance in back, 2. no proven track record yet in terms of longevity / maintanance. The fact that the Yeti seems to need frequent bearing overhauls doesn't bother me, I've wrenched on motorcycles / and mountain bikes for years myself. The Ibis is nice, if a little twitchy, the Yeti is very nice all around, the EVIL I have not ridden, but hear it is super nice to ride.

    Of course, if the wait time is more than a month tops for delivery, I'd have to pass on it because the summer would be half over by then...and being in New England I only have so many nice days to ride before the shitty cold weather sets in for half the year again.

    I like the fact that the bike is a no-gimmick, stout, simple, adjustable design. So I'm curious about some input on this bike before I decide to commit to another bike....

    Thanx in advance for your input.

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    Howdy, I put in my deposit at the end of May and at that time I was told the end of June for delivery, and things are pretty much on schedule for that to happen. So, basically a month. Considering my frame had yet to be built at the time of my deposit and all parts needed to be ordered and assembly still to take place I'd consider a month to be pretty damn good. They build frames as they receive orders, and don't keep a big stock. So, again, I'm pretty pleased with the time frame considering everything that has had to happen in that time.

    Their sizing is completely different. The medium has a 25" effective top tube. That's over half an inch longer than the ETT on my large Pivot mach5.7. Being 5'8" you'd ride a small megatrail. Their Large is for REALLY tall people. I feel somewhat cramped on my Pivot, and on a medium Megatrail with a 50mm stem I felt completely comfortable. Not too stretched out, not cramped. Juuuuust right.

    I looked at all the bikes you are and more, and none of them really got me that excited. The Megatrail got me excited. Besides, most of the popular usual suspects in the category are either completely unavailable or have a wait time too. During my wait time my frame is being hand built in Denver and I'm giving business to a great group of folks who is trying to do something different.

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    Thanks for the input NAUBoone. So the Pivot Mach 5.7 didn't do it for you I guess...?

    I agree with you fully in regards to supporting company's that keep the whole process within the USA. But given time...with enough 'success', it's certain that this company would do the exact same thing as everyone else. Thus, I wish them success, but not TOO MUCH success.

    Regarding availability. Yes, a months not bad. But all of the bikes I listed formerly, including the EVIL are all available now. In fact, I can pick up a Yeti SB-66 right now for $1,500 including shock. And the EVIL comes with the new Fox X.

    Wish I could ride one of these Megatrails. No luck on that because no one sells them.

    I'll have to think about it for a bit. Might just go with the Yeti deal. But I'll give it more thought... The bike looks nice and I am in fact interested in it. Up until a few days ago I'd never heard of this company. And I've been online for MONTHS looking into just about everything out there, and never did I come across it until just recently...

    Thanx again. Have fun man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skrool View Post
    Thanks for the input NAUBoone. So the Pivot Mach 5.7 didn't do it for you I guess...?

    I agree with you fully in regards to supporting company's that keep the whole process within the USA. But given time...with enough 'success', it's certain that this company would do the exact same thing as everyone else. Thus, I wish them success, but not TOO MUCH success.

    Regarding availability. Yes, a months not bad. But all of the bikes I listed formerly, including the EVIL are all available now. In fact, I can pick up a Yeti SB-66 right now for $1,500 including shock. And the EVIL comes with the new Fox X.

    Wish I could ride one of these Megatrails. No luck on that because no one sells them.

    I'll have to think about it for a bit. Might just go with the Yeti deal. But I'll give it more thought... The bike looks nice and I am in fact interested in it. Up until a few days ago I'd never heard of this company. And I've been online for MONTHS looking into just about everything out there, and never did I come across it until just recently...

    Thanx again. Have fun man.
    Skrool, I work at GG. Send us an email, Bikes@RideGG.com. Depending on what size, etc you're looking for, the lead time might not be too bad. We've recently made some new fixtures that speed up the manufacturing process, and the lead times have been coming down.
    And, if you have any other questions about ride, sizing, setup, component build, feel free to ask.
    Where do you live? If there's any way we can set up a test ride, we'd like to have you try one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Skrool, I work at GG. Send us an email, Bikes@RideGG.com. Depending on what size, etc you're looking for, the lead time might not be too bad. We've recently made some new fixtures that speed up the manufacturing process, and the lead times have been coming down.
    And, if you have any other questions about ride, sizing, setup, component build, feel free to ask.
    Where do you live? If there's any way we can set up a test ride, we'd like to have you try one.
    Hey that's funny. I'm already exchanging emails with 'Will'. I'm waiting to hear back from him about a few questions I had. I like the geometry of the bike very much. I was automatically planning to build it up as a 26" bike, but now I'm questioning if this bike is a good candidate for 650B, or should I just stick with what seems to be just rite for me. I'm not a tall guy at 5'8", and the 26" wheels feel a bit more flickable to me, but then again the 650B seems to compensate by simply rolling up and over stuff a bit more fluidly.

    The bike's geometry, simplicity, adjustability and burly no ******** design / fabrication is very appealing to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skrool View Post
    Hey that's funny. I'm already exchanging emails with 'Will'. I'm waiting to hear back from him about a few questions I had. I like the geometry of the bike very much. I was automatically planning to build it up as a 26" bike, but now I'm questioning if this bike is a good candidate for 650B, or should I just stick with what seems to be just rite for me. I'm not a tall guy at 5'8", and the 26" wheels feel a bit more flickable to me, but then again the 650B seems to compensate by simply rolling up and over stuff a bit more fluidly.

    The bike's geometry, simplicity, adjustability and burly no ******** design / fabrication is very appealing to me.
    Excellent. The Bikes@RideGG emails go straight to Will, so you're talking to the correct guy.
    He's about your same size, and for his personal Megatrail, he went with Medium 26" and a shorter 35mm long stem. I'm a few inches taller and ride a medium 27.5" with a 50mm stem.
    We've done a lot of back to back riding with 26" and 27.5". They ride a bit different, we describe it as "two clicks of wheel size" difference. It is subtle, but its there. Like you say, the 26" can be thrown through tight corners a little quicker, but 27.5" rolls a little easier over rocks as well as prefers to roll through corners vs square them off.
    As a side note, 27.5" is more popular and tends to have a shorter lead time. That sounds like it may be a factor for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Excellent. The Bikes@RideGG emails go straight to Will, so you're talking to the correct guy.
    He's about your same size, and for his personal Megatrail, he went with Medium 26" and a shorter 35mm long stem. I'm a few inches taller and ride a medium 27.5" with a 50mm stem.
    We've done a lot of back to back riding with 26" and 27.5". They ride a bit different, we describe it as "two clicks of wheel size" difference. It is subtle, but its there. Like you say, the 26" can be thrown through tight corners a little quicker, but 27.5" rolls a little easier over rocks as well as prefers to roll through corners vs square them off.
    As a side note, 27.5" is more popular and tends to have a shorter lead time. That sounds like it may be a factor for you.
    Sounds like I could go with a small OR a medium depending on how I were to set it up. Also, I put in a question to Will about 27.5 build. I've not yet owned a 27.5. The only 650B bike that 'felt' close to a 26" to 'me' was the Ibis. All other 27.5 feel distinctly different to me than the 26". Being 5'8" or under, it seems to me that the only negative to going to 650B would be that it makes the bike a bit less comfortable to 'jump' and pop around. I kind of pop around and jump a lot, and though I don't have enough time on a 650B bike build to see if I COULD adjust and end up liking it better...as of right now, I kind of already KNOW that 26" is very predictable feeling to me for my 20 year's worth of 26" experience. Not saying I think 650B is out of the picture, just nervous about having regrets should I do it an end up wishing I had gone with 26" build. I can't afford to make a error in judgement on this issue.

    When you say 'they ride a bit different', can you be a bit more specific...??? For instance, from YOUR perspective, the bike @ 27.5 end up being a BETTER jumper once you get used to it...? Also, I don't mind that the 27.5 style of turning is less 'square' / more 'flowy', but I WOULD frown upon it if it took away my ability to 'pop' around. I tend to 'endo' and 'wheely' my way down tight technical stuff, and, almost as if I were on a BMX bike [which I used to ride well before my 20 years experience with MTB.]

    At the risk of writing a novel here...I dare do push the point : What should I do ? Money comes hard to me, and I'm no richy rich. For instance, I myself will never buy a four-bar linkage bike ever again. For 'me' personally, they are harder to manual / wheelie, and pop around on. My old single pivot Heckler by far outperformed my Knolly on technical, sloppy climbs and decents only because for 'me' personally, I found it sucked the life / energy out of me if I tried to pop it around like my single pivots and hardtails. Do you get my drift brother...?

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    The Pivot is a great bike! I can't take that away from it, and I rode the piss out of it for 3 years. I'd recommend it to anyone that is looking for a lightweight, efficient, pedally semi-agressive trail bike. It can even punch above it's weight class pretty well as I often made it do. For an all-arounder when I lived in AZ it was great. I'm an aggressive rider, but the terrain there just couldn't justify a bigger bike. It would have been a hindrance in fact. I moved to southern Oregon back in the fall though and that thing is pretty under gunned for the kind of riding I do here. BIG descents, aggressive trails. Made some build spec changes to make it more "enduro", but ultimately doing so just took away from the bike and tried to make it something it's not. It was no longer a pleasure to ride. So, I began shopping for legit 6" AM bikes. After a lot of searching and looking I came across the Megatrail and it really ticked all the boxes for me. Then once I got the chance to see the thing in person, spend a little time on it and meet the guys behind the brand I was sold.

    There are a lot of awesome bikes out there these days, especially in this category, but for me the Megatrail just really stood out as something kickass and different.

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    Guerilla Gravity Megatrail. Any Thoughts?-1514588_691863510855532_7818790894933613644_n.jpg
    Quote Originally Posted by Skrool View Post
    Sounds like I could go with a small OR a medium depending on how I were to set it up. Also, I put in a question to Will about 27.5 build. I've not yet owned a 27.5. The only 650B bike that 'felt' close to a 26" to 'me' was the Ibis. All other 27.5 feel distinctly different to me than the 26". Being 5'8" or under, it seems to me that the only negative to going to 650B would be that it makes the bike a bit less comfortable to 'jump' and pop around. I kind of pop around and jump a lot, and though I don't have enough time on a 650B bike build to see if I COULD adjust and end up liking it better...as of right now, I kind of already KNOW that 26" is very predictable feeling to me for my 20 year's worth of 26" experience. Not saying I think 650B is out of the picture, just nervous about having regrets should I do it an end up wishing I had gone with 26" build. I can't afford to make a error in judgement on this issue.

    When you say 'they ride a bit different', can you be a bit more specific...??? For instance, from YOUR perspective, the bike @ 27.5 end up being a BETTER jumper once you get used to it...? Also, I don't mind that the 27.5 style of turning is less 'square' / more 'flowy', but I WOULD frown upon it if it took away my ability to 'pop' around. I tend to 'endo' and 'wheely' my way down tight technical stuff, and, almost as if I were on a BMX bike [which I used to ride well before my 20 years experience with MTB.]

    At the risk of writing a novel here...I dare do push the point : What should I do ? Money comes hard to me, and I'm no richy rich. For instance, I myself will never buy a four-bar linkage bike ever again. For 'me' personally, they are harder to manual / wheelie, and pop around on. My old single pivot Heckler by far outperformed my Knolly on technical, sloppy climbs and decents only because for 'me' personally, I found it sucked the life / energy out of me if I tried to pop it around like my single pivots and hardtails. Do you get my drift brother...?
    Both wheel sizes jump and pop very easily. The front end comes up very fast on the 26", but the 27.5" is also easy to pop, manual, etc, albeit the front end comes up slightly slower. My preference is the 27.5" in that regard, as the 26" front end comes up so fast, I actually prefer the stability of the 27.5". The video in the original post of Trevor riding is on a medium 27.5", if you want to see it in action. I do wheelies and endos all the time as well (although not quite trials hops around corners), and I went 27.5". The physics is still such that it will always be easier to flick around a smaller wheel, but the rider feedback has been that the 27.5" is still lively and pops well.

    As much as I hate to agree with the bike industry, I prefer 27.5" for my riding. And, that includes a lot of hopping, wheelies, etc. The 27.5" rolls and climbs slightly better, and that's pretty sweet. The industry has also basically switched to 27.5", so tire, rim selection, etc will be better as time goes on.

    TL;DR: the 27.5" version is lively, pops well, manuals well. The pic is Trevor boosting at Sea Otter on it.

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    Both wheel sizes jump and pop very easily. The front end comes up very fast on the 26", but the 27.5" is also easy to pop, manual, etc, albeit the front end comes up slightly slower. My preference is the 27.5" in that regard, as the 26" front end comes up so fast, I actually prefer the stability of the 27.5". The video in the original post of Trevor riding is on a medium 27.5", if you want to see it in action. I do wheelies and endos all the time as well (although not quite trials hops around corners), and I went 27.5". The physics is still such that it will always be easier to flick around a smaller wheel, but the rider feedback has been that the 27.5" is still lively and pops well.

    As much as I hate to agree with the bike industry, I prefer 27.5" for my riding. And, that includes a lot of hopping, wheelies, etc. The 27.5" rolls and climbs slightly better, and that's pretty sweet. The industry has also basically switched to 27.5", so tire, rim selection, etc will be better as time goes on.

    TL;DR: the 27.5" version is lively, pops well, manuals well. The pic is Trevor boosting at Sea Otter on it.
    Many thanx for the input. I'll have to give it some thought. I have yet to decide which direction to go with, EVIL, Ibis, Yeti, or the Megatrail. I'm having a hard time deciding.

    I like small companies. I like stuff that's actually made in the USA [rare as it may be nowadays]. But most of all, I'm really attracted to the stout, simple, adjustable geometry and design approach.

    Hmmm....

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    The Megatrail is definitely still on my short list.

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    Ive found my 27.5 megatrail is a better jumper than my old 26" bikes...

    I dont feel it is any harder to pop off things and it is so stable with the longer cockpit and wheelbase that it is very confidence inspiring to air into rock sections and whatnot.....the megatrail combined with the bigger wheels makes my last bike feel very sketchy and skidish when airing and manualing at speed....I would definitely recommend 27.5 if you arnt transferring your old parts over from a 26" bike

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    I had a nice chat with Theron last night from GG. I had a million questions regarding this bike and the company. I found out about this company solely from this thread, but upon further Googling, found some more incredible reviews and comments in regards to the Megatrail. In is indeed an interesting bike. I will definitely be following this thread, as well as the other threads on other forums.
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    Good to see the interest in this bike. I'm currently still deciding what to do. I've narrowed down now to two bikes : Evil Uprising, or Megatrail. They're the exact same price. The one issue I am having is this : You can only run a single chainring on the Megatrail. On the Evil, you can run 2. As much as I DO like the 'look' of a single ring up front, I myself very much doubt that I would be happy with a single ring setup. I do a LOT of all day epic loop rides....that unavoidably involve miles of flats, along with steep, technical climbing. So you really can't have both. You can set up for high gear, OR low. Obviously I'd have to set up for low gear ability. But this wouldn't be good for me. So, due to this single issue, I'll likely end up going with the Evil....which is a super fun bike to ride, carbon, low center of gravity, and dual ring compatible.

    This single issue is somewhat of a deal breaker for me. Other people are inclined to tell me I'd 'adjust'. But it's not a question of 'adjusting'. It a question of sacrificing my high end, OR low end. There is no way in hell that a single ring can substitute for a dual ring setup. As it is, when I went from 3 rings to 2, I found that I missed having the big ring for hauling ass on the flats....which are sometimes miles long. Not to mention the times that I actually take my rig out for coffee in town...wherein I tend to use the big rings A LOT in city type riding. So that is why I might just have to pass on the Megatrail. The people at GG are real good people it seems. And their product is definitly bomb proof and well designed.

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    ^XX1 has a pretty big range. Do the math on gear ratios and you may find that it covers your uses. A note on the Evil is my friend was racing enduro on one last year and send it descends like a mini DH bike but on the flats and climbs he was losing time cuz it felt like a mini DH bike there too.
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    Obviously I'm biased towards GG, but I was always a strong proponent of 2x drivetrains, but I've been riding the Megatrail 1x with our BFC and a 32T chainring for awhile now, and haven't needed any more gears. In Trail Mode, the Megatrail climbs very well, which was the difference for me. I'm not sure where you're located, but one of my main riding spots is White Ranch in Golden, CO, which has 1700' of loose, technical climbing in 3 miles. I clear much more of the climb now than before on a 2x and pre-Megatrail.
    And, the Sram X01 and XX1 systems have a little more top end range yet than the 1x10 with BFC setup.

    And, as far as CoG, yep, it's important. But, BB height is going to be a larger factor than where the shock sits in the frame (although is sits about mid-shin height on the MT). Comparing Trail Mode on the MT to the tall setting on the Uprising, the MT is 0.28" lower. And, in Gravity Mode, the MT is 0.3" lower than the Uprising in it's low setting. And, that change on the MT can be done in 30 seconds or less with a 6mm hex key that's on any multi-tool. In other words, people actually use both settings on a regular basis.

    More info, for what it's worth. If we can help with any other questions, feel free to ask.

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    How does changing the geometry compare to the Rocky Mountain Ride-9 system?

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    As I understand, the Ride 9 system is designed for the rider to tune the ride for how they want, by moving two nested square eccentric pieces on each side of the front shock mount. One direction changes geometry, and the other direction changes travel and leverage shape. It seems like it isn't designed to be changed often.

    The Megatrail has two modes: Trail and Gravity. Each setting feels like a different bike. In Trail Mode, it climbs very well, and features aggressive geometry in a 150mm travel package.
    Gravity Mode rides like a 160mm travel DH bike that you can pedal. The change between them is to move the rear shock mount bolt with a 6mm hex key on a multi tool, and there are no eccentrics to drop or lose if you want to change it out on the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    As I understand, the Ride 9 system is designed for the rider to tune the ride for how they want, by moving two nested square eccentric pieces on each side of the front shock mount. One direction changes geometry, and the other direction changes travel and leverage shape. It seems like it isn't designed to be changed often.

    The Megatrail has two modes: Trail and Gravity. Each setting feels like a different bike. In Trail Mode, it climbs very well, and features aggressive geometry in a 150mm travel package.
    Gravity Mode rides like a 160mm travel DH bike that you can pedal. The change between them is to move the rear shock mount bolt with a 6mm hex key on a multi tool, and there are no eccentrics to drop or lose if you want to change it out on the trail.
    You get the same amount of travel in all 9 settings but the suspension rate changes.

    They say you can change it on the trail but with the amount of small pieces it seems like you could lose one on the trail. Perhaps its because I've only changed it a couple times that it takes me awhile but it really does change the feel of the bike a great deal. So I don't really change it on the trail. plus riding in Florida it isn't really needed. That's great that its so simple to change because loosing a small washer on the trail is not something I would want to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skrool View Post
    Many thanx for the input. I'll have to give it some thought. I have yet to decide which direction to go with, EVIL, Ibis, Yeti, or the Megatrail. I'm having a hard time deciding.

    I like small companies. I like stuff that's actually made in the USA [rare as it may be nowadays]. But most of all, I'm really attracted to the stout, simple, adjustable geometry and design approach.

    Hmmm....

    I don't know if you have made any decisions yet, but wanted to give you my input. I just got the Megatrail on June 26th, I have taken it out on over a dozen rides consisting of cross country, enduro, and DH. I demoed a lot of bikes in the past year before making the decision to buy the Megatrail. Here are my thoughts. The Megatrail is one of the best bikes I have ever ridden, I have kept it in "gravity mode" for my climbs and just use the climbing switch on the CCDB and it climbs better than any other bike I demoed. The downhill aspect of this bike is also just amazing, it is VERY stable at high speeds and can corner better than any bike I demoed as well. Along with how great the bike rides; working with everyone at GG was a great experience. I asked so many stupid questions and they always answered timely and were always happy to help. Overall my experience with this bike has been second to none.

    I demoed most of the bikes you are looking at and they were all great rides, but the Megatrail stood out more than the others, and I highly recommend it.

    I am 5'8" and went with the small frame with 650Bs.. and did a blue paint coat with yellow decals, it looks super dirty... I couldnt be happier with my size choice and color.
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    Hey thanx for the input. No, I still haven't made up my mind yet. There is, however, another bike I'm considering now : 'Canfield Balance'. For $2,100 it includes the CCDB CS, and for an additional $700 you get RockShox Pike dual air. Also, I've pretty much opted out of the Ibis and Yeti, but I've taken interest in the Knolly Warden, which is a very stout bike and good technical climber as well.

    The Megatrail is still very interesting to me. If I bought it, it would be my first single ring set up, and I'm still not too sure I'll be happy with a single ring, but I could be wrong. What I REALLY like too, is the fact that it's actually, truly, made in the USA. I also very much like the fact that it's overbuilt...even more so than the Knolly perhaps. Meanwhile, the summer is fast passing me by. The only bike I could actually purchase and ride in a weeks time would be a Knolly or Evil. At this point, I'm kind of just accepting the fact that I may not even be able to ride much this season by the time I get a bike, but nor do I want to make the wrong decision for 'My' own personal riding habits and needs.

    I'm 5'8" too, and I'd thought to go with the medium Megatrail with a short stem ? How do you find the small frame size...? is it stable when ridden down tight, chunky single-track...? I've been opting for next size up frames w/short stems for years now, mostly because I got sick of going over the bars due to a frame being too stubby to accomplish my intended lines through technical chunk. But in the Megatrails case I'm not too certain. I guess I could go either small or medium.

    Thanx again for the input. Much appreciated.


    Quote Originally Posted by Clifflane3 View Post
    I don't know if you have made any decisions yet, but wanted to give you my input. I just got the Megatrail on June 26th, I have taken it out on over a dozen rides consisting of cross country, enduro, and DH. I demoed a lot of bikes in the past year before making the decision to buy the Megatrail. Here are my thoughts. The Megatrail is one of the best bikes I have ever ridden, I have kept it in "gravity mode" for my climbs and just use the climbing switch on the CCDB and it climbs better than any other bike I demoed. The downhill aspect of this bike is also just amazing, it is VERY stable at high speeds and can corner better than any bike I demoed as well. Along with how great the bike rides; working with everyone at GG was a great experience. I asked so many stupid questions and they always answered timely and were always happy to help. Overall my experience with this bike has been second to none.

    I demoed most of the bikes you are looking at and they were all great rides, but the Megatrail stood out more than the others, and I highly recommend it.

    I am 5'8" and went with the small frame with 650Bs.. and did a blue paint coat with yellow decals, it looks super dirty... I couldnt be happier with my size choice and color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skrool View Post
    Hey thanx for the input. No, I still haven't made up my mind yet. There is, however, another bike I'm considering now : 'Canfield Balance'. For $2,100 it includes the CCDB CS, and for an additional $700 you get RockShox Pike dual air. Also, I've pretty much opted out of the Ibis and Yeti, but I've taken interest in the Knolly Warden, which is a very stout bike and good technical climber as well.

    The Megatrail is still very interesting to me. If I bought it, it would be my first single ring set up, and I'm still not too sure I'll be happy with a single ring, but I could be wrong. What I REALLY like too, is the fact that it's actually, truly, made in the USA. I also very much like the fact that it's overbuilt...even more so than the Knolly perhaps. Meanwhile, the summer is fast passing me by. The only bike I could actually purchase and ride in a weeks time would be a Knolly or Evil. At this point, I'm kind of just accepting the fact that I may not even be able to ride much this season by the time I get a bike, but nor do I want to make the wrong decision for 'My' own personal riding habits and needs.

    I'm 5'8" too, and I'd thought to go with the medium Megatrail with a short stem ? How do you find the small frame size...? is it stable when ridden down tight, chunky single-track...? I've been opting for next size up frames w/short stems for years now, mostly because I got sick of going over the bars due to a frame being too stubby to accomplish my intended lines through technical chunk. But in the Megatrails case I'm not too certain. I guess I could go either small or medium.

    Thanx again for the input. Much appreciated.
    I really like the single ring on the GG, they also have their BF cog which helps out alot with the single ring.

    For the sizing, I almost did the same thing with a medium and a shorter stem just for the extra cockpit room but was leaning toward the 26" wheel on that build. But I made the choice to go with the small frame and bigger wheels. Once I got the front suspension dialed in I have had no issues what so ever with tight, technical single track. I live in Jackson Hole and have been riding some really rocky steep terrain and have actually been shocked at how comfortable I am going as fast as I have been. Either sizing option would be fine for you, but I really like the small frame for my size, I've been picking lines like I'm on my DH bike.

    One other thing that is kinda cool about GG is their wheels are hand made in house too, and they look cool and are really nice. For my front suspension I went with the MRP Stage, it was a tough decision to pick over the pike, but I have been very happy with it. It is easy to dial and they have some pretty cool new technology in it.

    Hope this helps man, if you live in Colorado, I would definitely try to demo one, it's an impressive bike from the moment you get on it. Guerilla Gravity Megatrail. Any Thoughts?-bike.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skrool View Post
    Hey thanx for the input. No, I still haven't made up my mind yet. There is, however, another bike I'm considering now : 'Canfield Balance'. For $2,100 it includes the CCDB CS, and for an additional $700 you get RockShox Pike dual air. Also, I've pretty much opted out of the Ibis and Yeti, but I've taken interest in the Knolly Warden, which is a very stout bike and good technical climber as well.
    Both the Megatrail and the Balance are great deals. Check the Ibis forum though, there is an interesting spy picture of what looks like a new long legged frame discussed there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Both the Megatrail and the Balance are great deals. Check the Ibis forum though, there is an interesting spy picture of what looks like a new long legged frame discussed there.
    Thanx StiHacka. I'll check it out. However, I seem to be having my doubts about going with a carbon frame. It seems that every single producer of aggressive carbon MTB frames has issues at a FAR higher percentage than issues for owners of aluminum frames. For the type of people who get a new bike every two to three years, I suppose it would make more sense to go carbon, but I tend to keep my bikes for no less than 4 to 6 years. And I don't care what anyone 'online' says, an overbuilt aluminum frame is still, at this point, a far smarter decision for someone who intends to beat on a bike for years. Both the Megatrail, Canfield Balance, and Knolly Warden, though surely heavier than carbon, would secure a stiff, trouble free, worry free ride for countelss years time I'm sure.

    I've learned that you really can't take people's advice online too much to heart in most cases regarding frame selection, because what might feel 'fantastic' to me, might not feel as such to some one else...and vice versa. For instance, I figured I'd LOVE the Santa Cruz Nomad, or Bronson...but I rode them and did NOT like VPP at all. It felt constipated' in it's travel [it's the only apt word that comes to mind to describe how 'less' fun it feels compared to a single pivot design.]. I don't CARE in the least that they 'climb' better, because today's shocks allow us to compensate for any pedal bob that such designs used to suffer from.

    I may just end up taking my time and waiting to see how good the Balance turns out, and then compare it to the Megatrail. Gotta take my time because once my money is gone...that's it. And I've already once purchased a bike on impulse...and REGRETTED my decision after the fact. So this time I'm forcing myself to take my time and preferably TEST RIDE every single bike before I throw my $$$ at it.

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    Has anyone who's ridden a Megatrail also ridden a Kona Process 153?

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    i gotta say - had this bike been rideable when i was buying - i'd given it a serious look and ride. i love the idea of what these guys are all about - and being within a couple miles is pretty cool - still might give it a demo to compare - as Im pretty sure if it blew my mind - i'd have no problem selling my other bike... kudos to GG for following the dream and passion

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    If you demo one I'd love to here your impressions of the bike.

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    indeed - now I feel compelled to give it a shot -

    My riding buddy and bf of 20+ years is demoing bikes now - I've tried to get him to consider this one - but he's hung up on buying "carbon". Now as a guy who this season bought a carbon bike - i get it - but i think this bike could be perfect for how, what we ride and what he wants out of a bike - he demoed the Piv M6 yesterday and wasnt overwhelmed by it - but also needs the next size up - so could make a diff. Im riding w him later - and will try to plant a seed stating - if I grab one - will you ride it?

    so - ill keep posted here what transpires...

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    I got a chance to ride with Matt n Will when they just finished building the first Megatrail ( I rode Matt's 27.5 I think). The main bike I ride is one of those carbon VPP thingies, and I also ride a GG/DH (which I love).

    We rode on a very techy rolly trail (Dakota Ridge in Golden) I rode it back and forth on several sections. I was truly blown away by how it pedals in the rough. On paper, it doesnt seem like it should with being low and slack, and I struggled to make the connection between a 65.5* HA (I rode it in gravity mode), and the ability to stand and mash up a techy boulder field. The wheels definately help roll, but GG has the geo dialed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpre View Post
    Has anyone who's ridden a Megatrail also ridden a Kona Process 153?
    That is the other bike I'm looking at too! Process is certainly cheaper and includes the rear shock but that low bb of the megatrail keeps me coming back to it.

    I just sold by reignx and transition bandit and I'm riding a process 111 with a pike and loving the hell out of it for the socal steep and loose stuff but I want a longer travel 650b for the rides that overwhelm the 111.

    I prefer the idea of the process 153's 16.7 CSs VS the 17.3s on the 650b megatrail but other than that the megatrail looks like it would be my ideal bike.

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    Having the shortest chainstays possible isnt always a good thing..

    The megatrail is plenty flickable but it still feels solid at top speed....I have never felt like I needed a shorter rear end... my buddy has a process 153 and I'd say the front end comes up easier on my bike

    Quote Originally Posted by marti163 View Post
    That is the other bike I'm looking at too! Process is certainly cheaper and includes the rear shock but that low bb of the megatrail keeps me coming back to it.

    I just sold by reignx and transition bandit and I'm riding a process 111 with a pike and loving the hell out of it for the socal steep and loose stuff but I want a longer travel 650b for the rides that overwhelm the 111.

    I prefer the idea of the process 153's 16.7 CSs VS the 17.3s on the 650b megatrail but other than that the megatrail looks like it would be my ideal bike.

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    Thanks, made up my mind yesterday. Preorder is in! I'm building up a set of wheels with the light bicycle hookless 35mm rims. How do you like yours?

    Quote Originally Posted by wydopen View Post
    Having the shortest chainstays possible isnt always a good thing..

    The megatrail is plenty flickable but it still feels solid at top speed....I have never felt like I needed a shorter rear end... my buddy has a process 153 and I'd say the front end comes up easier on my bike

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    What color did you go with? They allow you to pick any color from the place they use to paint them. I spent forever one day just looking at the colors on the website they gave me. There are really some awesome colors on there, and you can make your bike unique.

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    I've always wanted a raw bike so I'm leaving it raw. I do love bright green bikes though so RADiation was tempting!

    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    What color did you go with? They allow you to pick any color from the place they use to paint them. I spent forever one day just looking at the colors on the website they gave me. There are really some awesome colors on there, and you can make your bike unique.

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