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    Which frame: New Flux or 5010 Carbon?

    Tormenting myself over this one... I like the 5010c because it's a little lighter, but I love the ride of the DW-Link on the Flux 27.5.

    Thoughts...

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    The flux may have a nicer suspension on the rear but how much is "a little lighter".
    Pricing the same between the models you are looking at?
    I rode a 650b SC Nickel most of this year and loved it, and it was the more budget friendly SC suspension so I'd imagine the 5010 would be even better, more efficient. But my friends with Turner's love them, like forever lol
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    I love the Solo but as madsedan said, I have never met anyone who rode a Turner who didn't absolutely LOVE it. I have rode a Turner and have to agree. High on my list for my next bike.

    That being said so is the Solo (I can't call it 5010 yet). Both awesome rides but I would have to ride both and then compare.

    If I I opt for a frame in that travel range (still considering a 140-150 travel bike as well) those are at the top of my list. Keep us posted.

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    Yeah, keep us posted. just looked at the specs, and a med Flux is only 5.75 lbs. Pretty good! Again makes me wonder why the alum Solo and Bantam are so heavy. Back to topic, seems like both bikes are pretty versatile (can be built up light, but also go up to 140mm forks). Geo is pretty similar. Flux is a little longer in the rear 17.4 v 17.1, but both have the slack but low geo otherwise. Sounds like two really good bikes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by madsedan View Post
    ...but how much is "a little lighter".
    Probably approaching about 3/4 of a pound lighter for the Solo (5010).

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    I'd go with the Flux.

    I've ridden DWL for a few years and recently got a SC Bronson in addition. The VPP is nice--eats up rough terrain like mad, handles well--but the sprightly, fun feeling of DW isn't there. Just chatted with my LBS about this, and they admit VPP has a bit of a "dead" feeling to it. I thought of that term to describe it to them, but they beat me to it.

    Plus, made in USA is cool.

    When it's time to upgrade the wife's ride, it's gonna be DW and very likely Turner.

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    I think Turner said in MTBR's interbike videos something along the lines of the Flux frame being built "as light as prudent", and not as stiff and strong as the Burner, which makes sense of course. But I wonder how it would hold up under more abusive conditions vs the carbon Solo. That's a tough one....American made alum w/ DW Link and Turner mystique, vs badass SC Carbon. The guys at my local shop are 29er zealots and they're raving about how good the Solo is. Of course, the Turner dealer right down the street, which is another awesome IBD, is probably feeling the same way about the Flux.

    Any chance of test riding both?

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    As a DW Link and VPP2 owner I'd say go with the frame that fits you better. I've learned the hard way (read: expensive mistakes/learning lessons) that frame weight and suspension design take a back seat to proper fit. I just don't fit on some frames. I'd rather have a slightly heavier frame if it fit me like a glooooove.

    If you like the DW Link ride better I'd find a frame with Dave's design, and make sure if fit.

    On a somewhat related subject, I sold a VPP frame because the stack wasn't enough, and I purchased a DW Link 29er frame which was about 1 pound heavier than the lightest option (Rocky Mountain 999 RSL) because the geometry was spot on and I am DW Link fanboy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    Any chance of test riding both?
    I wish. I've spent a day on VPP (a Tallboy) and a day on DW-Link (an Ibis Mojo) and I have a slight preference towards the spirited "get-up-and-go" feeling of the DWL.

    Pulling the trigger on one of them today. My wife thinks I'm being lame for letting 3/4 of a pound affect the decision.

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    That 3/4 pound paralysis by analysis will disappear once you realize there is no buyer remorse going with a DW Link bike. If you're not racing for money or battling for podium then a 3/4 pound difference is a moot point. Don't let marketing and trail ego decide bike purchase.

    When I beat a buddy up a climb it's never because of 3/4 pound frame diff. It's because I'm in better shape. And when someone annihilates me on a bike weighing 6 pounds more and with a supposedly inferior rear suspension design it's a simple case of them being a better rider. Buy the bike that speaks to you, makes you open the door to the garage and go "oh, yeah, time to ride!"

    Beside, it gives you more reasons to buy other bike stuff to lose that 3/4 pound....bonus points to me for not writing "lose that 3/4 pound off your body", ha.

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    Yeah, these guys are right on, and I forgot about the Turner being made in the states, I would go with the Turner for sure!
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    No brainer, DWL instead of VPP. but again im bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    ...bonus points to me for not writing "lose that 3/4 pound off your body", ha.
    Major bonus points, but I certainly wouldn't have held it against you for going there. Yeah - I need to dump that negligible weight factor from the decision process. Good advice.

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    And the Turner Flux 27.5 is the winner! Just ordered.

    I think I knew it, but you guys certainly helped confirm it.

    Thanks to all, and I'll post a pic and ride report later on!

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    Awesome choice. I gotta be honest I REALLY wanted to say Turner, however I refuse to do that due to the fact that it's up to you and I wouldn't want you second guessing.

    I have an obsession with Turner bikes for some odd reason. I love SC as well but there is just something about a Turner.

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    Flux with the special edition chrome finish!!

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    I chose the Flux, all I need now is for the wheelbuilder to finish up and I'll be reporting back on how it rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crawdad View Post
    I wish. I've spent a day on VPP (a Tallboy) and a day on DW-Link (an Ibis Mojo) and I have a slight preference towards the spirited "get-up-and-go" feeling of the DWL.

    Pulling the trigger on one of them today. My wife thinks I'm being lame for letting 3/4 of a pound affect the decision.
    Keep in mind everything I've read about DWL is that can be very different from Manufacturer to Manufacturer. Dave even says it in interviews. When he works with a company on their bikes a lot depends on what they want of the bike, plusher ride or more firm etc.. So riding a Mojo DW link is not the same as riding a Turner is not the same as riding a Pivot.

    And yes 3/4 of a lbs is a lame way to decide.
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    3/4 pounds gets my attention but it is one of many factors.

    650b wheels lighter than 29er wheels was something I could directly feel accelerating out of the turn and that was 8-12 oz.
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    Congrats on the new bike. I'm sure you'll love it. I'm a big fan of Turner bikes and loved the Burner. Haven't ridden the Flux yet but hoping they have it at Outerbike. The 5010 I rode at Interbike was very, very good and I've got these two bikes at the top of my list as well so let us know what you think once you get it and get some rides in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    ...so let us know what you think once you get it and get some rides in.
    Will do!

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    Which kit did you get? I can't decide if I want to spend another almost $2000 for xt/stan's over the mix with mavics and the oe fox fork. Turner said its still a great fork, just lacks the adjustability.

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    I agree with most of the posters, the Turners just ride incredible. I ride a converted SC Blur XCc, which I love and have no complaints, but if and when Turner decides to make a carbon( like their Czar) 27.5 bike, I'm on board.

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    Just getting the frame. Here's the parts: Fox Kashima 120 Fork, CK Headset, I9 wheels (32-hole laced to Arches), Ardent 2.25 Tires, X.9 1x10 drivetrain with e13 XCX chainguide (it will be XX1 later), XTR brakes, Enve Sweep Bar, Thomson Stem and Post, etc, etc...

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    Wow, sounds like a great build. Please post pics and give a good RR when you have her built up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    3/4 pounds gets my attention but it is one of many factors.

    650b wheels lighter than 29er wheels was something I could directly feel accelerating out of the turn and that was 8-12 oz.
    unsprung weight is always more noticeable, especially if it spins.

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    Ride Report and Pics...

    Well, got the Medium Flux 27.5 all built and here's a quick ride report...

    For reference, I've been riding for about 25 years or so, and have been riding/racing various 29ers (mostly hardtails) for the past 8 years, so that's the bike type I'm used to.

    When the frame arrived, I weighed it and it came to just a hair over 6 pounds, so at first I was a little concerned that I wouldn't be as fast or as efficient as I'm used to. Well, I'm pleased to say that this is not at all the case. This bike gets up and goes! I had the Kashima shock in descend mode during the whole climb and it felt very lively and plenty fast. I was really hoping that the DW-Link on this bike would feel like the DW-Link on the Ibis that I rode a few years back and loved, and it does. Coming from a hardtail, there should really be no surprise that the downhills were phenomenal with full suspension. It was really nice to be able to use the suspension to launch more easily over obstacles. The change in wheel size from a 29er to a 27.5er is also quite noticeable in the corners. What I particularly liked was that I was able to maintain a greater speed through tight and twisty singletrack because I wasn't constantly overshooting corners, like I had been on a 29er. I'm really going to have to get used to being able to go faster in these situations.

    Overall it's just a ton of fun to ride. It's nimble, quick, and exactly what I was hoping for. Goldilocks is happy.

    Here's a few pics. And thanks again to all in this thread who helped me to figure this out.

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    Sweet Bike!! I'm in the same boat. Shopping for my first FS and with goldilock sized wheels. I'm on a GF Big Sur hardtail from 1998. The flux is in my top 3.

    How's the BB height for you? Been hitting anything? Its been a complaint of the 5010 (SoLow), and the flux has a lower BB height.

    Again. congrats. Gets me hype to start my build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldberm View Post
    How's the BB height for you? Been hitting anything?
    Went for a longer ride today with plenty of baby head rock gardens and ample opportunity for pedal strikes, and I didn't hit a single time. Now granted, I have I9 hubs with fantastic engagement, and I'm pretty good at ratcheting over things when I think a pedal strike is a possibility. That slightly lower bottom bracket height really helps make the bike more nimble in the corners. Keep that Flux in your top three!

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    I have both bikes in hand right now because I've got the same question. I traveled from the Big Island of Hawaii to CA so I can do some riding. Drove down to The Path bike shop yesterday and picked up a small Solo C and then on to Turner to pick up a med Flux. Turner did not have a small at the moment. I did a short ride yesterday and a short 25 mile road/offroad ride on the Turner today. I spend a lot of today cleaning the bikes and making measurements. I'll report full later when I get all the information and pictures together. So far I am liking the Turner more. Tomorrow's more of a technical ride out in Palos Verdes, we will see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmats View Post
    Tomorrow's more of a technical ride out in Palos Verdes, we will see.
    Can't wait to hear your report! any difference note in BB height or chainstay length? Flux has lower BB and longer chain stays. Thanks!!

    BTW, just demoed Norco Sight. Great bike. Fantastic geometry, but a little too much squish for my needs. The 120mm is the sweet spot for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crawdad View Post
    Well, got the Medium Flux 27.5 all built and here's a quick ride report...

    For reference, I've been riding for about 25 years or so, and have been riding/racing various 29ers (mostly hardtails) for the past 8 years, so that's the bike type I'm used to.

    When the frame arrived, I weighed it and it came to just a hair over 6 pounds, so at first I was a little concerned that I wouldn't be as fast or as efficient as I'm used to. Well, I'm pleased to say that this is not at all the case. This bike gets up and goes! I had the Kashima shock in descend mode during the whole climb and it felt very lively and plenty fast. I was really hoping that the DW-Link on this bike would feel like the DW-Link on the Ibis that I rode a few years back and loved, and it does. Coming from a hardtail, there should really be no surprise that the downhills were phenomenal with full suspension. It was really nice to be able to use the suspension to launch more easily over obstacles. The change in wheel size from a 29er to a 27.5er is also quite noticeable in the corners. What I particularly liked was that I was able to maintain a greater speed through tight and twisty singletrack because I wasn't constantly overshooting corners, like I had been on a 29er. I'm really going to have to get used to being able to go faster in these situations.

    Overall it's just a ton of fun to ride. It's nimble, quick, and exactly what I was hoping for. Goldilocks is happy.

    Here's a few pics. And thanks again to all in this thread who helped me to figure this out.

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    Your background sounds all too familiar... I've been riding rigid 29ers (steel and alum) for the last several years and want to get back to FS. Right now I'm torn btw the czar and flux. The czar due to that 29er that I'm so used to plus I'd be shaving weight with carbon, then, adding suspension for better descending which, taken together, means my riding just got faster. On the other hand, the flux 27.5 is tempting for the reasons you described (cornering, wheel weight) and to be honest, I feel my riding is a good blend of XC/trail which is what Turner markets the flux as. And...I still want to be somewhat competetive in the field but I ain't going pro here. Any comments on the czar vs flux would be greatly appreciated here.

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    Good info here. Both these bikes are on my short list. AL vs plastic are not much of a concern but the low bottom bracket height worries me, and travel to a lesser extent.

    My older Specialized Enduro with low bb height made some rocky climbs like walking on pedals.

    I wonder how Flux and 5010 are for small drops and table tops??? The interesting thing about travel is my hard tail park bike and my 140 mm AM dual suspension bike behave like they're watching out for me. No racier type bike or 29r I tried had that feel. I hope these two do.

    Thanks again for that info, and any more about these or similar bikes.

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