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    Fattest 650b tire?

    I'm running a 2.35" Nevegal right now, which I like, but have the room and desire to go fatter and taller.

    Any other options?

    I'm thinking about the Hans Dampf, but not sure if that is any bigger.

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    The 2.35 Hans Dampf is probably the biggest 650b tire out right now. I think someone measured it to be almost 27.75"

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    The HD is super sweet. Large volume, squishy soft nobs, awesome traction. No wonder many stores sell out of them, even at the $90 price. If you like loads of squishy traction, you won't be disappointed!
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    believe the 2.35 NN is the tallest at 27-13/16 (27.87 in.) but the HD may be the widest available until we see the 2.4 Pacenti Mega-motos.
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    So, no doubt the HD is an awesome tire, but I'd still like some numbers on how wide and tall the beast is.

    Anyone care to take a ruler to the top of a knob from the ground up, and take the calipers to the widest part (be it casing or side knob)?

    As for the NN, this tire is on a heavy duty trail/AM bike, with wide rims, and tires are run at low pressure. I need something with more meat to prevent squirm.

    Actually, the Nev does a great job, tubeless and all, at an amazing price (sounds like a comercial, I know). But again, still looking for a step up in size and burliness.

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    Cutting transition knobs

    Cuting the transition knobs on the nevegals (front only) is a real eye opener......

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptjack View Post
    Cuting the transition knobs on the nevegals (front only) is a real eye opener......

    I run the 29" Nev up front and really like it. No complaints at all. Might think about it though as I've done this with other tires in the past.

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    HD 2,35" (61mm wide, diameter around 710mm) - on a ZTR Flow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kili@n View Post
    HD 2,35" (61mm wide, diameter around 710mm) - on a ZTR Flow
    That sounds to tall for the HD from other posts I've seen measuring it more in the 704/5 range. Would be nice if it's really that tall which is right at the NN height of 27.875" or 708mm (I just measured yet again).

    The NN is advertised as a 2.35" but measures 2.3" just like a Neo Moto.

    Bigger meats are on the way but apparently the re-design and production of the Mega Moto 2.4" is moving to slow for Kirk's pleasure.
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    Anyone know the diameter of the Maxxis Ardent 27.5 x 2.25?

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    How is the rolling resistance on the HD and Nobby Nic compared to the Nevegal?. Obviously they are going to roll better but by how much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kili@n View Post
    HD 2,35" (61mm wide, diameter around 710mm) - on a ZTR Flow
    Just measured the Nev 2.35 and it comes in extremely close to those measurements. Maybe a mm or two less on both height and width at most. That is to the side and top of the knobs.

    That is on a Flow EX.

    The side tread on the Nev protrudes significantly farther out than the sidewall. A good thing I'd say.

    I doubt I'd get much more volume out of the HD. Still might give it a shot if I find a good deal on one. But, for the price the Nev is hard to beat if grip is what you need most.

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    Quick thread related hyjack

    Quote Originally Posted by GChambers View Post
    How is the rolling resistance on the HD and Nobby Nic compared to the Nevegal?. Obviously they are going to roll better but by how much?
    GC what mtb tires did you run in the back of the Reken before you urbanized it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    GC what mtb tires did you run in the back of the Reken before you urbanized it?

    Thanks in advance
    It's been an urban bike since I built it. It has a 1.5in Continental Tour Ride on it now. I'd guess there might be enough room for the Racing Ralph. When I get a chance I'll see if it fits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GChambers View Post
    How is the rolling resistance on the HD and Nobby Nic compared to the Nevegal?. Obviously they are going to roll better but by how much?
    Never run the Nevegal before but I feel the NN rolls better than a 2.3 Neo Moto which from all reports rolls a good bit better than a Nevegal. Hows that for scientific I'm very happy with the NN so far. Just gotta set it up tubless now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Never run the Nevegal before but I feel the NN rolls better than a 2.3 Neo Moto which from all reports rolls a good bit better than a Nevegal. Hows that for scientific I'm very happy with the NN so far. Just gotta set it up tubless now.
    The HD rolls well, also. I can confirm it measures 705mm dia.

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    One thing to remember comparing Kenda to Schwalbe is the majority of Schwable's tires are casing wide / tread narrow where Kenda is the other way around. Nevagals may compare in terms of overall width to the biggest Schwalbes but they're doing it with fat poor rolling tread. Myself, I'd rather have the extra air volume and faster rolling / smaller knobs of the schwalbe. The only Kenda tires of note that are measured casing width without over hanging tread are the Karma and Slant Six.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    I doubt I'd get much more volume out of the HD. Still might give it a shot if I find a good deal on one. But, for the price the Nev is hard to beat if grip is what you need most.
    I have used the Nevegal for some time and moved to the 2.35 HD recently. Although the tires are not that different in size (the HD is about 2mm wider) the behaviour is night and day. The Nevegal is not too bad in dry conditions, but it wipes out on loose terrain and does not give confidence on the wet, specially while on the brakes.

    The HD is one of the grippiest tires I have ridden (my background is on High Rollers, Minions, Bontrager XR4, Stick-E Nevegals, etc.). Good in the dry, incredible in the wet, never wipes, amazing braking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyN View Post
    I have used the Nevegal for some time and moved to the 2.35 HD recently. Although the tires are not that different in size (the HD is about 2mm wider) the behaviour is night and day. The Nevegal is not too bad in dry conditions, but it wipes out on loose terrain and does not give confidence on the wet, specially while on the brakes.

    The HD is one of the grippiest tires I have ridden (my background is on High Rollers, Minions, Bontrager XR4, Stick-E Nevegals, etc.). Good in the dry, incredible in the wet, never wipes, amazing braking...
    No doubt the HD is a higher quality tire.

    I'm running the tire, rear, on a Flow EX, and like the "big rubber" feel you get on a DH tire with low air pressure and good sidewalls. While I know there is not a lot of love out there for the Nevegal it seems to give a great "cushion" feel without feeling flimsy in the sidewall even at very low pressure. Can I suspect at least the same out of the HD, if you follow my very subjective descriptions?

    The HD weighs in somewhat heavier, and is almost definitely a higher quality tire and as long as it is at least the same size I'm interested in giving it a shot.

    Pace or Trail version?

    Where to buy online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Never run the Nevegal before but I feel the NN rolls better than a 2.3 Neo Moto which from all reports rolls a good bit better than a Nevegal. Hows that for scientific I'm very happy with the NN so far. Just gotta set it up tubless now.
    Will you be mounting th NN"S on your A C BXC wheels? Interested very much, will be waiting for your report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GChambers View Post
    It's been an urban bike since I built it. It has a 1.5in Continental Tour Ride on it now. I'd guess there might be enough room for the Racing Ralph. When I get a chance I'll see if it fits.
    Thanks. Must have been thinking of someone elses build. I'll soon find out what works best as I'm going to order frame in next couple days along with an IRD Fire XC and a set of CrossMarks. Plus I can try my Quasi, 2.1 Neo and Nevegal. Doubt the Wolverine will fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridezum View Post
    Will you be mounting th NN"S on your A C BXC wheels? Interested very much, will be waiting for your report.
    Nope, those have been put aside with the stock 2.2 Wolverine's. I've got the NN mounted on a Flow in the back and a TL28 in the front. Have about 50 miles on the tires and the shock on the Jamis puked oil all over itself (besides not getting full travel). Rock Shox replaced the shock under warranty, upgraded it to a RT3 and gave me the tune I wanted and I just got it back today. I guess there is a god after all. Anyway the tires are really nice, roll great, grip rocks good and seem to get decent traction even though I've got em at 30psi and they get bouncy like that. I've need to set em up tubeless and drop the pressure and they'll be better. I'm gonna run them awhile but I'm thinking a HD on the front and a NN on the back might be an awesome combo to try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    No doubt the HD is a higher quality tire.

    I'm running the tire, rear, on a Flow EX, and like the "big rubber" feel you get on a DH tire with low air pressure and good sidewalls. While I know there is not a lot of love out there for the Nevegal it seems to give a great "cushion" feel without feeling flimsy in the sidewall even at very low pressure. Can I suspect at least the same out of the HD, if you follow my very subjective descriptions?

    The HD weighs in somewhat heavier, and is almost definitely a higher quality tire and as long as it is at least the same size I'm interested in giving it a shot.

    Pace or Trail version?

    Where to buy online?

    Thanks.
    I am using the HD at the front, so I do not have a precise feelibg of the cushioning of the tire, although I would say itnis very similar to the Nevegal.

    I am using the Trailstar compound which I would say feels grippier that Kenda's Stick-E. I bought the tire out of ebay because it was the first place where it was available, but now I would buy it from oje of the German shops that retail it for 36,90€, like bike-discount.de.

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    Check this baby out Vee Rubber Trail Taker 650Bx2.4

    it's BIG! and it's out on ebay

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxdeals View Post
    Check this baby out Vee Rubber Trail Taker 650Bx2.4

    it's BIG! and it's out on ebay
    wow! How tall is it on an average rim?

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    Hmmm...maybe just my eyes, but that VR Trailtaker looks extremely similar to the last picture that I saw of the KP Mega-moto. It even has the beehive stuff on the side. Any reason for the resemblance?

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    Wow they really do look a lot like the mega-moto... hmm Well Vee Rubber Trail taker is here and available. Wonder if VR is making the mega-moto....

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    Looks exactly the same as the mega, wonder what's going on.

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    Bit of an update on the Vee TT: weighs 735g, sidewalls are thin but have a protection layer. Gorgeous tread pattern with rounded profile and actual-by-god side knobs! 2.45" wide at the outside of the knobs, but 2.2" wide casing. Fits pretty nicely on the back of the Mojo HD (torn down at the moment). Just barely clears my old Lyrik fork (on an 08 ReignX). It may rub in the center if it swells overnight. Hopefully not because I really really want to ride on it tomorrow.

    Oh, and the tire says Pacenti on the side. I wonder what that is about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by g3rG View Post
    Bit of an update on the Vee TT: weighs 735g, sidewalls are thin but have a protection layer. Gorgeous tread pattern with rounded profile and actual-by-god side knobs! 2.45" wide at the outside of the knobs, but 2.2" wide casing. Fits pretty nicely on the back of the Mojo HD (torn down at the moment). Just barely clears my old Lyrik fork (on an 08 ReignX). It may rub in the center if it swells overnight. Hopefully not because I really really want to ride on it tomorrow.

    Oh, and the tire says Pacenti on the side. I wonder what that is about...

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    g3rg thank you so much for that update. I did not realize they actually say Pacenti on the sidewall... So my thought are probably correct that the Vee Rubber Trail Taker is the Pacenti Mega-moto. Another thing that rang my attention is that they are lighter than expected so that is a great thing.

    Hopefully you get to ride tomorrow, should be nice out...

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    Interesting stuff and looking forward to your impressions. Can you measure the diameter for us please.

    Would be nice if KP would chime in about this tire.
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    Sounds like the same 2.4 Casing as the Vee Rubber Fluids and Flow in 2.4, see below pics for the Fluids. Ride report tomorrow Aus time.

    These measure in at 710mm in Height, and 61mm tread width.





    They mount up tubeless real nice and easy too, due to them being Sealant compatible.
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    Nobby Nic 2.35 on a TL28, Fox Float RLC 120.



    Not a ton of clearance (can almost jam my pinky through), but I thought it would be less given how many people said it was a huge tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g3rG View Post
    Bit of an update on the Vee TT: weighs 735g, sidewalls are thin but have a protection layer. Gorgeous tread pattern with rounded profile and actual-by-god side knobs! 2.45" wide at the outside of the knobs, but 2.2" wide casing. Fits pretty nicely on the back of the Mojo HD (torn down at the moment). Just barely clears my old Lyrik fork (on an 08 ReignX). It may rub in the center if it swells overnight. Hopefully not because I really really want to ride on it tomorrow.

    Oh, and the tire says Pacenti on the side. I wonder what that is about...

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    Thank you for the update. What rim are yours on? My Lyrik will not take a bigger tire than a NN 2.25 on a wide rim (p35).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rice rocket View Post
    Nobby Nic 2.35 on a TL28, Fox Float RLC 120.



    Not a ton of clearance (can almost jam my pinky through), but I thought it would be less given how many people said it was a huge tire.
    That gap at the very top is only about 2-3mm on the 140 Float I checked with. Your pic makes it look like more. Be aware the tire will hit the crown at bottom out but a 5mm wide zip tie on each fork leg would make a crude but effective shim/safety stop so you could use the tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Thank you for the update. What rim are yours on? My Lyrik will not take a bigger tire than a NN 2.25 on a wide rim (p35).
    Vee Rubber was going to be the manufacturer for the Mega all along, like Panaracer was for the Neos and Quasis... You could see it was different from the Panaracer made tires from the start, the honeycomb pattern being one sign.
    My guess is that while KP wasn't happy with the design, or possibly the execution, Vee Rubber went ahead with production.
    If they have a mold in 650b size, and there is a sudden demand for more 650b tires, why not run some tires and make a buck?

    I am curious about the compound. I have seen Vee Rubber tires and they seemed to have been made from melted down superballs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    That gap at the very top is only about 2-3mm on the 140 Float I checked with. Your pic makes it look like more. Be aware the tire will hit the crown at bottom out but a 5mm wide zip tie on each fork leg would make a crude but effective shim/safety stop so you could use the tire.
    Yeah, I'm not sure why the discrepancy, the lowers should be the same on all 32mm forks, this is with a 15QR. If I had to guess, I'd say 5-7mm. I don't think my air pressure was over 25 psi.

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    It did stretch overnight. It now touches the arch at the center hard enough to buzz to a stop when I spin the wheel. If I drop the pressure to 20psi (yikes) it just rubs lightly. I can ride that. Ideally I would wear down the centers on the back of another bike, then put it on the Lyrik. Unfortunately I am waiting for parts for the MHD.

    I checked average diameter using the pi-tape method. I get 27.85 inches.
    Width at knobs is up to 2.50"
    Mounted on a Stan's Flow inflated to 25psig.

    I will take some clearance shots later.

    The casing has a DC logo, meaning dual compound. Hopefully they will hold up better than the Maxxis stick-e Minion that is crumbling apart on the back of the bike.

    I need to seal the one on the back of the MHD and let it stretch for awhile. I really hope it can hold clearance.

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    A brief update. The tire is now properly broken in. 2100ft of climbing and descent in the Arizona funky chunky. I ran it on the front of an 08 ReignX with a Lyrik fork (pictures tomorrow). Rear was a 2-ply Minion on a Deemax, 'cause I sort of tear up rear tires for some reason.

    I started out with a rub problem. Even with only 20 psi in the tire it made a growling noise. As I sped up and slowed down it said something like "oh long johnson" (go search in youtube if you don't get the reference). Fortunately that only lasted a few miles, then it quieted down to a contented purr. I am not sure yet whether something wore in, or the tire spread out a bit. I will take a closer look tomorrow.

    From the saddle this tire is perceptibly larger than the Neo-moto. It felt almost like I had a wide 29 up there. It also felt a bit squishy, probably because I normally run 30psi in tires this soft.

    Rock spitting was not much of a problem. There was none initially, but it started doing it occasionally when I hit the loose stuff. Also it actually had enough clearance to roll rocks under the fork arch. It made a soft thump rather than the sharp pop that I have gotten with other combinations. Probably a combination of pressure and compound.

    Grip was stellar. Climbing was very good, and downhill cornering was a blast. The farther I put the bike over the better the grip. Caveat: we had a bit of rain last night, so the trails were nice and tacky. Still, I was going into many turns without trimming any speed.

    Looking at the tire post-ride I could see that I wore off a lot of the whiskers. It usually takes me a few rides on hard compound tires to do that. I also put some visible wear on the side knobs. However, there were none of the radial striations that I get from most of my other tires from cornering on the sidewalls. The sidewalls were in almost new condition. I am thrilled about that. fwiw I am not some uber downhiller, but I do work on turning technique every chance I get.

    It did take a couple of hard oblique hits in a couple of sections where I screwed up my line. No problem for the tire, although I still have to do a close inspection.

    That is it for now. Happy New Year to everyone!

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    Thanks so much for that update. I know it's early in it's creation but check out my650b.com for these tires and soon lots more...

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    Very encouraging review. Thanks Looking forward to some pics of the beast (is this not the biggest 650 tire currently available?)
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    ReignX in 7x6 config with VTT up front:

    The tire:

    The tread:

    Clearance(?):


    The best part, clearance on the back of my MojoHD:


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    I have just ordered the VTT for my HT, it should be a good winter tire.

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    Great pics

    Have you checked the bottom out crown clearance on the Lyric?

    Personally (and this is just me) I would have no qualms milling some more clearance into the arch of that fork.
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    I like the looks of that Vee Rubber Fluid, closest yet to a Minion? Where to buy?
    Want to stick with what I'm used to, Minions, but don't think I have the patience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Great pics

    Have you checked the bottom out crown clearance on the Lyric?

    Personally (and this is just me) I would have no qualms milling some more clearance into the arch of that fork.
    Oh aye! I let the air out of the Lyrik and rode around trying to get a rub on the crown. It cleared just fine. As for milling the crown (oops, I meant arch), the combination of tacky rubber with loose quartz provides excellent in-situ machining. Normally it works against me, but in this case it will fix the clearance problem ;-)

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    Some shallow angle shots to show that the knobs stick out past the sidewall:
    The front VTT:

    ...and the rear Minion 2.5...

    Scales and angles not perfect, sorry.

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    Fit on F36 Fork?

    Can anyone confirm if the 2.35 HD and NN will definitely clear the crown on a Fox36 at full compression? I have a lot of room w/ a NM2.3 on a Flow Ex rim and want to go taller, but don't want any rubbing at all. I suspect the HD would be fine, but would prefer the slightly taller NN if it would definitely fit. Thanks

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    All Fox forks come with bottom-out bumpers, you just never see them because they live at the bottom of your lowers. If you're buzzing, find another pair (or any other similar rubber donut) and drop them in.

    Some people limit travel with zip ties on their stanchion, which might work too, but I'd be afraid of destroying your oil seals.

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