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    Fattest 650b tire?

    I'm running a 2.35" Nevegal right now, which I like, but have the room and desire to go fatter and taller.

    Any other options?

    I'm thinking about the Hans Dampf, but not sure if that is any bigger.

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    The 2.35 Hans Dampf is probably the biggest 650b tire out right now. I think someone measured it to be almost 27.75"

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    The HD is super sweet. Large volume, squishy soft nobs, awesome traction. No wonder many stores sell out of them, even at the $90 price. If you like loads of squishy traction, you won't be disappointed!
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    believe the 2.35 NN is the tallest at 27-13/16 (27.87 in.) but the HD may be the widest available until we see the 2.4 Pacenti Mega-motos.
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    So, no doubt the HD is an awesome tire, but I'd still like some numbers on how wide and tall the beast is.

    Anyone care to take a ruler to the top of a knob from the ground up, and take the calipers to the widest part (be it casing or side knob)?

    As for the NN, this tire is on a heavy duty trail/AM bike, with wide rims, and tires are run at low pressure. I need something with more meat to prevent squirm.

    Actually, the Nev does a great job, tubeless and all, at an amazing price (sounds like a comercial, I know). But again, still looking for a step up in size and burliness.

    Thanks.

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    Cutting transition knobs

    Cuting the transition knobs on the nevegals (front only) is a real eye opener......

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptjack View Post
    Cuting the transition knobs on the nevegals (front only) is a real eye opener......

    I run the 29" Nev up front and really like it. No complaints at all. Might think about it though as I've done this with other tires in the past.

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    HD 2,35" (61mm wide, diameter around 710mm) - on a ZTR Flow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kili@n View Post
    HD 2,35" (61mm wide, diameter around 710mm) - on a ZTR Flow
    That sounds to tall for the HD from other posts I've seen measuring it more in the 704/5 range. Would be nice if it's really that tall which is right at the NN height of 27.875" or 708mm (I just measured yet again).

    The NN is advertised as a 2.35" but measures 2.3" just like a Neo Moto.

    Bigger meats are on the way but apparently the re-design and production of the Mega Moto 2.4" is moving to slow for Kirk's pleasure.
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    Anyone know the diameter of the Maxxis Ardent 27.5 x 2.25?

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    How is the rolling resistance on the HD and Nobby Nic compared to the Nevegal?. Obviously they are going to roll better but by how much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kili@n View Post
    HD 2,35" (61mm wide, diameter around 710mm) - on a ZTR Flow
    Just measured the Nev 2.35 and it comes in extremely close to those measurements. Maybe a mm or two less on both height and width at most. That is to the side and top of the knobs.

    That is on a Flow EX.

    The side tread on the Nev protrudes significantly farther out than the sidewall. A good thing I'd say.

    I doubt I'd get much more volume out of the HD. Still might give it a shot if I find a good deal on one. But, for the price the Nev is hard to beat if grip is what you need most.

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    Quick thread related hyjack

    Quote Originally Posted by GChambers View Post
    How is the rolling resistance on the HD and Nobby Nic compared to the Nevegal?. Obviously they are going to roll better but by how much?
    GC what mtb tires did you run in the back of the Reken before you urbanized it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    GC what mtb tires did you run in the back of the Reken before you urbanized it?

    Thanks in advance
    It's been an urban bike since I built it. It has a 1.5in Continental Tour Ride on it now. I'd guess there might be enough room for the Racing Ralph. When I get a chance I'll see if it fits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GChambers View Post
    How is the rolling resistance on the HD and Nobby Nic compared to the Nevegal?. Obviously they are going to roll better but by how much?
    Never run the Nevegal before but I feel the NN rolls better than a 2.3 Neo Moto which from all reports rolls a good bit better than a Nevegal. Hows that for scientific I'm very happy with the NN so far. Just gotta set it up tubless now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Never run the Nevegal before but I feel the NN rolls better than a 2.3 Neo Moto which from all reports rolls a good bit better than a Nevegal. Hows that for scientific I'm very happy with the NN so far. Just gotta set it up tubless now.
    The HD rolls well, also. I can confirm it measures 705mm dia.

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    One thing to remember comparing Kenda to Schwalbe is the majority of Schwable's tires are casing wide / tread narrow where Kenda is the other way around. Nevagals may compare in terms of overall width to the biggest Schwalbes but they're doing it with fat poor rolling tread. Myself, I'd rather have the extra air volume and faster rolling / smaller knobs of the schwalbe. The only Kenda tires of note that are measured casing width without over hanging tread are the Karma and Slant Six.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    I doubt I'd get much more volume out of the HD. Still might give it a shot if I find a good deal on one. But, for the price the Nev is hard to beat if grip is what you need most.
    I have used the Nevegal for some time and moved to the 2.35 HD recently. Although the tires are not that different in size (the HD is about 2mm wider) the behaviour is night and day. The Nevegal is not too bad in dry conditions, but it wipes out on loose terrain and does not give confidence on the wet, specially while on the brakes.

    The HD is one of the grippiest tires I have ridden (my background is on High Rollers, Minions, Bontrager XR4, Stick-E Nevegals, etc.). Good in the dry, incredible in the wet, never wipes, amazing braking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyN View Post
    I have used the Nevegal for some time and moved to the 2.35 HD recently. Although the tires are not that different in size (the HD is about 2mm wider) the behaviour is night and day. The Nevegal is not too bad in dry conditions, but it wipes out on loose terrain and does not give confidence on the wet, specially while on the brakes.

    The HD is one of the grippiest tires I have ridden (my background is on High Rollers, Minions, Bontrager XR4, Stick-E Nevegals, etc.). Good in the dry, incredible in the wet, never wipes, amazing braking...
    No doubt the HD is a higher quality tire.

    I'm running the tire, rear, on a Flow EX, and like the "big rubber" feel you get on a DH tire with low air pressure and good sidewalls. While I know there is not a lot of love out there for the Nevegal it seems to give a great "cushion" feel without feeling flimsy in the sidewall even at very low pressure. Can I suspect at least the same out of the HD, if you follow my very subjective descriptions?

    The HD weighs in somewhat heavier, and is almost definitely a higher quality tire and as long as it is at least the same size I'm interested in giving it a shot.

    Pace or Trail version?

    Where to buy online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Never run the Nevegal before but I feel the NN rolls better than a 2.3 Neo Moto which from all reports rolls a good bit better than a Nevegal. Hows that for scientific I'm very happy with the NN so far. Just gotta set it up tubless now.
    Will you be mounting th NN"S on your A C BXC wheels? Interested very much, will be waiting for your report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GChambers View Post
    It's been an urban bike since I built it. It has a 1.5in Continental Tour Ride on it now. I'd guess there might be enough room for the Racing Ralph. When I get a chance I'll see if it fits.
    Thanks. Must have been thinking of someone elses build. I'll soon find out what works best as I'm going to order frame in next couple days along with an IRD Fire XC and a set of CrossMarks. Plus I can try my Quasi, 2.1 Neo and Nevegal. Doubt the Wolverine will fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridezum View Post
    Will you be mounting th NN"S on your A C BXC wheels? Interested very much, will be waiting for your report.
    Nope, those have been put aside with the stock 2.2 Wolverine's. I've got the NN mounted on a Flow in the back and a TL28 in the front. Have about 50 miles on the tires and the shock on the Jamis puked oil all over itself (besides not getting full travel). Rock Shox replaced the shock under warranty, upgraded it to a RT3 and gave me the tune I wanted and I just got it back today. I guess there is a god after all. Anyway the tires are really nice, roll great, grip rocks good and seem to get decent traction even though I've got em at 30psi and they get bouncy like that. I've need to set em up tubeless and drop the pressure and they'll be better. I'm gonna run them awhile but I'm thinking a HD on the front and a NN on the back might be an awesome combo to try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    No doubt the HD is a higher quality tire.

    I'm running the tire, rear, on a Flow EX, and like the "big rubber" feel you get on a DH tire with low air pressure and good sidewalls. While I know there is not a lot of love out there for the Nevegal it seems to give a great "cushion" feel without feeling flimsy in the sidewall even at very low pressure. Can I suspect at least the same out of the HD, if you follow my very subjective descriptions?

    The HD weighs in somewhat heavier, and is almost definitely a higher quality tire and as long as it is at least the same size I'm interested in giving it a shot.

    Pace or Trail version?

    Where to buy online?

    Thanks.
    I am using the HD at the front, so I do not have a precise feelibg of the cushioning of the tire, although I would say itnis very similar to the Nevegal.

    I am using the Trailstar compound which I would say feels grippier that Kenda's Stick-E. I bought the tire out of ebay because it was the first place where it was available, but now I would buy it from oje of the German shops that retail it for 36,90€, like bike-discount.de.

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    Check this baby out Vee Rubber Trail Taker 650Bx2.4

    it's BIG! and it's out on ebay

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxdeals View Post
    Check this baby out Vee Rubber Trail Taker 650Bx2.4

    it's BIG! and it's out on ebay
    wow! How tall is it on an average rim?

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    Hmmm...maybe just my eyes, but that VR Trailtaker looks extremely similar to the last picture that I saw of the KP Mega-moto. It even has the beehive stuff on the side. Any reason for the resemblance?

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    Wow they really do look a lot like the mega-moto... hmm Well Vee Rubber Trail taker is here and available. Wonder if VR is making the mega-moto....

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    Looks exactly the same as the mega, wonder what's going on.

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    Bit of an update on the Vee TT: weighs 735g, sidewalls are thin but have a protection layer. Gorgeous tread pattern with rounded profile and actual-by-god side knobs! 2.45" wide at the outside of the knobs, but 2.2" wide casing. Fits pretty nicely on the back of the Mojo HD (torn down at the moment). Just barely clears my old Lyrik fork (on an 08 ReignX). It may rub in the center if it swells overnight. Hopefully not because I really really want to ride on it tomorrow.

    Oh, and the tire says Pacenti on the side. I wonder what that is about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by g3rG View Post
    Bit of an update on the Vee TT: weighs 735g, sidewalls are thin but have a protection layer. Gorgeous tread pattern with rounded profile and actual-by-god side knobs! 2.45" wide at the outside of the knobs, but 2.2" wide casing. Fits pretty nicely on the back of the Mojo HD (torn down at the moment). Just barely clears my old Lyrik fork (on an 08 ReignX). It may rub in the center if it swells overnight. Hopefully not because I really really want to ride on it tomorrow.

    Oh, and the tire says Pacenti on the side. I wonder what that is about...

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    g3rg thank you so much for that update. I did not realize they actually say Pacenti on the sidewall... So my thought are probably correct that the Vee Rubber Trail Taker is the Pacenti Mega-moto. Another thing that rang my attention is that they are lighter than expected so that is a great thing.

    Hopefully you get to ride tomorrow, should be nice out...

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    Interesting stuff and looking forward to your impressions. Can you measure the diameter for us please.

    Would be nice if KP would chime in about this tire.
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    Sounds like the same 2.4 Casing as the Vee Rubber Fluids and Flow in 2.4, see below pics for the Fluids. Ride report tomorrow Aus time.

    These measure in at 710mm in Height, and 61mm tread width.





    They mount up tubeless real nice and easy too, due to them being Sealant compatible.
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    Nobby Nic 2.35 on a TL28, Fox Float RLC 120.



    Not a ton of clearance (can almost jam my pinky through), but I thought it would be less given how many people said it was a huge tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g3rG View Post
    Bit of an update on the Vee TT: weighs 735g, sidewalls are thin but have a protection layer. Gorgeous tread pattern with rounded profile and actual-by-god side knobs! 2.45" wide at the outside of the knobs, but 2.2" wide casing. Fits pretty nicely on the back of the Mojo HD (torn down at the moment). Just barely clears my old Lyrik fork (on an 08 ReignX). It may rub in the center if it swells overnight. Hopefully not because I really really want to ride on it tomorrow.

    Oh, and the tire says Pacenti on the side. I wonder what that is about...

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    Thank you for the update. What rim are yours on? My Lyrik will not take a bigger tire than a NN 2.25 on a wide rim (p35).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rice rocket View Post
    Nobby Nic 2.35 on a TL28, Fox Float RLC 120.



    Not a ton of clearance (can almost jam my pinky through), but I thought it would be less given how many people said it was a huge tire.
    That gap at the very top is only about 2-3mm on the 140 Float I checked with. Your pic makes it look like more. Be aware the tire will hit the crown at bottom out but a 5mm wide zip tie on each fork leg would make a crude but effective shim/safety stop so you could use the tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Thank you for the update. What rim are yours on? My Lyrik will not take a bigger tire than a NN 2.25 on a wide rim (p35).
    Vee Rubber was going to be the manufacturer for the Mega all along, like Panaracer was for the Neos and Quasis... You could see it was different from the Panaracer made tires from the start, the honeycomb pattern being one sign.
    My guess is that while KP wasn't happy with the design, or possibly the execution, Vee Rubber went ahead with production.
    If they have a mold in 650b size, and there is a sudden demand for more 650b tires, why not run some tires and make a buck?

    I am curious about the compound. I have seen Vee Rubber tires and they seemed to have been made from melted down superballs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    That gap at the very top is only about 2-3mm on the 140 Float I checked with. Your pic makes it look like more. Be aware the tire will hit the crown at bottom out but a 5mm wide zip tie on each fork leg would make a crude but effective shim/safety stop so you could use the tire.
    Yeah, I'm not sure why the discrepancy, the lowers should be the same on all 32mm forks, this is with a 15QR. If I had to guess, I'd say 5-7mm. I don't think my air pressure was over 25 psi.

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    It did stretch overnight. It now touches the arch at the center hard enough to buzz to a stop when I spin the wheel. If I drop the pressure to 20psi (yikes) it just rubs lightly. I can ride that. Ideally I would wear down the centers on the back of another bike, then put it on the Lyrik. Unfortunately I am waiting for parts for the MHD.

    I checked average diameter using the pi-tape method. I get 27.85 inches.
    Width at knobs is up to 2.50"
    Mounted on a Stan's Flow inflated to 25psig.

    I will take some clearance shots later.

    The casing has a DC logo, meaning dual compound. Hopefully they will hold up better than the Maxxis stick-e Minion that is crumbling apart on the back of the bike.

    I need to seal the one on the back of the MHD and let it stretch for awhile. I really hope it can hold clearance.

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    A brief update. The tire is now properly broken in. 2100ft of climbing and descent in the Arizona funky chunky. I ran it on the front of an 08 ReignX with a Lyrik fork (pictures tomorrow). Rear was a 2-ply Minion on a Deemax, 'cause I sort of tear up rear tires for some reason.

    I started out with a rub problem. Even with only 20 psi in the tire it made a growling noise. As I sped up and slowed down it said something like "oh long johnson" (go search in youtube if you don't get the reference). Fortunately that only lasted a few miles, then it quieted down to a contented purr. I am not sure yet whether something wore in, or the tire spread out a bit. I will take a closer look tomorrow.

    From the saddle this tire is perceptibly larger than the Neo-moto. It felt almost like I had a wide 29 up there. It also felt a bit squishy, probably because I normally run 30psi in tires this soft.

    Rock spitting was not much of a problem. There was none initially, but it started doing it occasionally when I hit the loose stuff. Also it actually had enough clearance to roll rocks under the fork arch. It made a soft thump rather than the sharp pop that I have gotten with other combinations. Probably a combination of pressure and compound.

    Grip was stellar. Climbing was very good, and downhill cornering was a blast. The farther I put the bike over the better the grip. Caveat: we had a bit of rain last night, so the trails were nice and tacky. Still, I was going into many turns without trimming any speed.

    Looking at the tire post-ride I could see that I wore off a lot of the whiskers. It usually takes me a few rides on hard compound tires to do that. I also put some visible wear on the side knobs. However, there were none of the radial striations that I get from most of my other tires from cornering on the sidewalls. The sidewalls were in almost new condition. I am thrilled about that. fwiw I am not some uber downhiller, but I do work on turning technique every chance I get.

    It did take a couple of hard oblique hits in a couple of sections where I screwed up my line. No problem for the tire, although I still have to do a close inspection.

    That is it for now. Happy New Year to everyone!

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    Thanks so much for that update. I know it's early in it's creation but check out my650b.com for these tires and soon lots more...

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    Very encouraging review. Thanks Looking forward to some pics of the beast (is this not the biggest 650 tire currently available?)
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    ReignX in 7x6 config with VTT up front:

    The tire:

    The tread:

    Clearance(?):


    The best part, clearance on the back of my MojoHD:


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    I have just ordered the VTT for my HT, it should be a good winter tire.

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    Great pics

    Have you checked the bottom out crown clearance on the Lyric?

    Personally (and this is just me) I would have no qualms milling some more clearance into the arch of that fork.
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    I like the looks of that Vee Rubber Fluid, closest yet to a Minion? Where to buy?
    Want to stick with what I'm used to, Minions, but don't think I have the patience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Great pics

    Have you checked the bottom out crown clearance on the Lyric?

    Personally (and this is just me) I would have no qualms milling some more clearance into the arch of that fork.
    Oh aye! I let the air out of the Lyrik and rode around trying to get a rub on the crown. It cleared just fine. As for milling the crown (oops, I meant arch), the combination of tacky rubber with loose quartz provides excellent in-situ machining. Normally it works against me, but in this case it will fix the clearance problem ;-)

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    Some shallow angle shots to show that the knobs stick out past the sidewall:
    The front VTT:

    ...and the rear Minion 2.5...

    Scales and angles not perfect, sorry.

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    Fit on F36 Fork?

    Can anyone confirm if the 2.35 HD and NN will definitely clear the crown on a Fox36 at full compression? I have a lot of room w/ a NM2.3 on a Flow Ex rim and want to go taller, but don't want any rubbing at all. I suspect the HD would be fine, but would prefer the slightly taller NN if it would definitely fit. Thanks

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    All Fox forks come with bottom-out bumpers, you just never see them because they live at the bottom of your lowers. If you're buzzing, find another pair (or any other similar rubber donut) and drop them in.

    Some people limit travel with zip ties on their stanchion, which might work too, but I'd be afraid of destroying your oil seals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_t_smith View Post
    Can anyone confirm if the 2.35 HD and NN will definitely clear the crown on a Fox36 at full compression? I have a lot of room w/ a NM2.3 on a Flow Ex rim and want to go taller, but don't want any rubbing at all. I suspect the HD would be fine, but would prefer the slightly taller NN if it would definitely fit. Thanks
    How many mm's of crown space do you have with the Neo 2.3" at bottom out? If you have 4-5mm you should be fine with a NN.
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    g3rg, impressed that the HD clears such a big tyre. What travel are you using, 140?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    g3rg, impressed that the HD clears such a big tyre. What travel are you using, 140?
    I am thrilled that it clears! The amazing thing is that the profile of the rear yoke matches the tire almost perfectly. The Neo had more clearance in the center
    I haven't checked travel yet. My frame has the 160mm chips. I had a Monarch Plus limited to 150mm, but the rear suspension was awful in the chunk. I have a new RC4 ready to rock. I will limit it as required. Hopefully I can get the back of the bike to work as well as the front.

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    I've got a gash in my Neo right now (happened at the end of my very first ride on it) so I can't measure clearance w/o booting the tire and sticking in a tube. I may just roll the dice and try the NN knowing a zip tie on the stantion tube would restrict travel a few mm's (I wouldn't have thought of that were it not for the post above.) I've always run a zip tie on one side anyway to measure sag and travel, so i guess I've already got a travel restrictor in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    g3rg, impressed that the HD clears such a big tyre. What travel are you using, 140?
    You and I have different definitions of "clears".

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    Thumbs up for the Vee Rubber Trail Taker! I did seven miles with the TT in the front (2011 Velvet) on packed snow / ice today and it behaved great, the mighty side knobs got me out of trouble many times. I may have to get one for the rear, too. The casing does not feel that much bigger than the Neo Moto and the pattern is somehow similar but it grips much better in winter conditions. Mine was almost exactly 750g, love the sidewall protection and in general, it feels like a high quality tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Thumbs up for the Vee Rubber Trail Taker! I did seven miles with the TT in the front (2011 Velvet) on packed snow / ice today and it behaved great, the mighty side knobs got me out of trouble many times. I may have to get one for the rear, too. The casing does not feel that much bigger than the Neo Moto and the pattern is somehow similar but it grips much better in winter conditions. Mine was almost exactly 750g, love the sidewall protection and in general, it feels like a high quality tire.
    StiHacka, how does the compound compare to the Neo? How wide of a rim? With the position of the side knobs, I figure a narrow rim would not work well.

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    StiHacka, how does the compound compare to the Neo? How wide of a rim? With the position of the side knobs, I figure a narrow rim would not work well.
    I did only about 15 miles on the TTs so far and the trails looked like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImDAaV5tjqM (that is actually the TT in the video) and my biggest concern was keeping my wobbly arse in the saddle so it is too early to compare the two. The TT is a dual compound (Soft/Medium on the label) thread with the center (and inner transition knobs?) of medium rubber and outer transition and side knobs of soft rubber and the soft knobs feel definitely more sticky than the Neo Moto. The TT worked better in packed snow than the Neo, the mighty side knobs got me out of trouble many times. Rolling resistance - hard to compare snow vs snow, the jury is still out on that one. Their weight is about the same, mine was about 750g. I like the side wall protection of the TT. If your fork/bike can take the TT, I suspect you may like it better than the Neo.

    Since the casing of the TT is only 2.1-2.2" wide, it works quite well on a narrow rim. I currently run it on Alex XD Lite with only 19mm of inner width and it is just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    I did only about 15 miles on the TTs so far and the trails looked like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImDAaV5tjqM (that is actually the TT in the video) and my biggest concern was keeping my wobbly arse in the saddle so it is too early to compare the two. The TT is a dual compound (Soft/Medium on the label) thread with the center (and inner transition knobs?) of medium rubber and outer transition and side knobs of soft rubber and the soft knobs feel definitely more sticky than the Neo Moto. The TT worked better in packed snow than the Neo, the mighty side knobs got me out of trouble many times. Rolling resistance - hard to compare snow vs snow, the jury is still out on that one. Their weight is about the same, mine was about 750g. I like the side wall protection of the TT. If your fork/bike can take the TT, I suspect you may like it better than the Neo.

    Since the casing of the TT is only 2.1-2.2" wide, it works quite well on a narrow rim. I currently run it on Alex XD Lite with only 19mm of inner width and it is just fine.
    Petr, this sounds like a pretty darn nice tire and one to add to the list. Especially as a front. Good on you for getting out in the snow on the bike. I went to the XC skis and snowshoes.

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    Um clearance, where do you see clearance in either of those 2 photos? There's not even enough room there for the tyre to pick up even some grass or leaves, let alone if you even smell mud That to me is crazy and an easy way to practice your superman impression.
    Quote Originally Posted by g3rG View Post
    ReignX in 7x6 config with VTT up front:
    Clearance(?):


    The best part, clearance on the back of my MojoHD:


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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post

    Since the casing of the TT is only 2.1-2.2" wide, it works quite well on a narrow rim. I currently run it on Alex XD Lite with only 19mm of inner width and it is just fine.
    I would have thought that with the side knobs so low on the side of the the casing, that a narrow rim would have them pointing to the side, requiring an (even more) extreme lean angle to have them bite. A wider rim would make for a flatter/squarer profile. Glad to hear they work well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Um clearance, where do you see clearance in either of those 2 photos? There's not even enough room there for the tyre to pick up even some grass or leaves, let alone if you even smell mud That to me is crazy and an easy way to practice your superman impression.
    What are these grass, leaves, and mud of which you speak? My trails are made of jagged and bloodthirsty rocks of various size. Occasionally one gets pulled through the arch, but at only 20psi the tire just deflects out of the way. I have ridden a stock 26" bike that was worse about that.

    I did have a problem a few nights ago when I accidentally tried to jam a 2ft boulder through there. Fortunately I was able to dodge the thing at the last second (credit to the front grip) and save myself from a painful launch, but the tire took a hell of a side hit. The noise was awful, and I expected to see sealant spray from a torn tread or sidewall. No such bad luck. The tire is tougher than I thought.

    TBD what happens with the close clearance on the back of the Mojo (still waiting for a part). I don't expect it to be any worse than the Neo was back there. Hopefully it will be more durable.

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    Some Tire Measurements

    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    Anyone know the diameter of the Maxxis Ardent 27.5 x 2.25?
    Don't know if you ever got an answer. I just mounted one up and made some measurements, along with a bunch of other tire/rim combos I accumulated recently. Here's what I have so far (last pair of numbers in each row are my measurements, in inches, all made at 30psi):

    Maxxis Ardent EXO 27.5x2.25, Flow EX: 27.88x2.29
    Kenda Nevegal 27.5x2.35, Flow EX: 27.75x2.43
    Pacenti NeoMoto 27.5x2.1, Flow EX: 27.63x2.21
    Pacenti NeoMoto 27.5x2.3, Flow EX: 27.56x2.41
    Kenda Nevegal DTC, 27.5x2.1, Crest: 27.53x2.24

    Yes, I know the diameters of the two NeoMotos look like they are swapped, but that's what I measured. The 2.3 only had about 40 miles on it before I ripped the sidewall on a rock, so they didn't have much wear either. They were the only tire measured using a tube (all others were converted tubeless) but I can't imagine how that would make any difference.

    The Ardent and NeoMoto2.1 had zero miles on them. They were inflated at 40psi for two days before making the measurements. The Nevegal had the most miles on it, but still less than 200, and looked almost brand new (lucky to live on the peninsula of the bay area with trails in the loam and shade of the redwoods.

    The Ardent's diameter was a bit of an unpleasant surprise for me. I was hoping it would be smaller than the Nevegal 2.35, which is the biggest diameter tire I would personally use on a Fox 36 fork.

    Just for fun, I measured a few 26 inch tires for comparison:

    Maxxis Ardent 26x2.4, Flow: 27.19x2.42
    Specialized Control S-Works 26x2.3, Arch EX: 26.81x2.26
    Maxxis Ardent 26x2.25, Flow: 26.81x2.23
    Kenda Nevegal StickE 26x2.1, Arch EX: 26.63x2.17

    The Nevegal had zero miles on it, but was inflated at 30-40psi for a few weeks, as I waited for it to seal! The Spec Control and both Maxxis' had <50 miles on them (new bikes, purchased right before winter...).

    I measured diameters using a stand I rigged up with T-squares to try to ensure accuracy and repeatability. I'd estimate my numbers are good to better than +/-1mm (0.04"). Widths were measured at the fattest part of the tire using calipers.

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    Well you're a lucky guy I guess, we've got loads of mud (clay based), leaves,small rocks and loads of crap on our trails - quite varied, can't complain. Still I wouldn't be trusting either of those combos if they were mine, I say you're lucky the rocks have made it through and not gotten stuck, might be because you've no mud to stick them hard to the tyre.
    Quote Originally Posted by g3rG View Post
    What are these grass, leaves, and mud of which you speak? My trails are made of jagged and bloodthirsty rocks of various size. Occasionally one gets pulled through the arch, but at only 20psi the tire just deflects out of the way. I have ridden a stock 26" bike that was worse about that.

    TBD what happens with the close clearance on the back of the Mojo (still waiting for a part). I don't expect it to be any worse than the Neo was back there. Hopefully it will be more durable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lixxfe View Post
    Don't know if you ever got an answer. I just mounted one up and made some measurements, along with a bunch of other tire/rim combos I accumulated recently. Here's what I have so far (last pair of numbers in each row are my measurements, in inches, all made at 30psi):

    Maxxis Ardent EXO 27.5x2.25, Flow EX: 27.88x2.29
    Kenda Nevegal 27.5x2.35, Flow EX: 27.75x2.43
    Pacenti NeoMoto 27.5x2.1, Flow EX: 27.63x2.21
    Pacenti NeoMoto 27.5x2.3, Flow EX: 27.56x2.41
    Kenda Nevegal DTC, 27.5x2.1, Crest: 27.53x2.24

    The Ardent's diameter was a bit of an unpleasant surprise for me. I was hoping it would be smaller than the Nevegal 2.35, which is the biggest diameter tire I would personally use on a Fox 36 fork.
    Thanks a bunch for those numbers. I'm also disappointed in the size of the Ardent. I have a new set ready to mount when my wheels arrive, but it looks like they might be too big for my conversion (Blur TRc with Fox 32 fork).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    Thanks a bunch for those numbers. I'm also disappointed in the size of the Ardent. I have a new set ready to mount when my wheels arrive, but it looks like they might be too big for my conversion (Blur TRc with Fox 32 fork).
    You're welcome. I think you will indeed find the Ardent to be too big for a Fox 32. I found the Nev2.35 already too big and had to resort to using a Fox 36. With the Nev2.35 and Fox 32, I had 1-2 mm of clearance to the Arch, and contact at the Crown. With the Fox 36, I had 6 mm clearance to the Arch, and about 3mm clearance to the Crown. That's about as tight as I want to get.

    On my converted Mojo HD140, The 2.3NeoMoto is about as big as I would dare to run, so the Ardent won't work there either!

    It's been an interesting (and quite expensive) experiment with full 650b conversion for me. I think I'm going to buy a dedicated 650b fork and just run 650b/26 on the Mojo. With all the extra parts I ended up with, maybe look for an end of the year sale on a 650b frame (next year). Or better yet, maybe Ibis will release a 650b rear triangle this year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lixxfe View Post

    Maxxis Ardent EXO 27.5x2.25, Flow EX: 27.88x2.29
    Kenda Nevegal 27.5x2.35, Flow EX: 27.75x2.43
    Pacenti NeoMoto 27.5x2.1, Flow EX: 27.63x2.21
    Pacenti NeoMoto 27.5x2.3, Flow EX: 27.56x2.41
    Kenda Nevegal DTC, 27.5x2.1, Crest: 27.53x2.24
    Anyone know where the Nobby Nic 27.5x2.25 would fit in, height-wise?

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    I have a new RC4 ready to rock. I will limit it as required. Hopefully I can get the back of the bike to work as well as the front.

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    I just set up some 2.35 hans dampfs on pacenti tl-28's pm my bystickel with a Fox Float 36. Plenty of clearance with the arch, and about 2-3mm clearance with the crown at full compression. I gotta say I am impressed with the volume on these....biggest 650b I have seen.



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    i would also be interested in similar images with trail taker and fox 36.

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    I would like to find the Vee Mission 2.3 tires... I have bought both the Nobby Nic and Hans Dampf in the 2.35 and neither will work with my current build that I am trying to complete. SC Nickel and a Fox 32 Talas 150-120mm

    I would think the Mission 2.3 just might be the ticket. I have been waiting on the Hans Dampf 2.25, but just spoke with Schwalbe and they said it will probably be the end of February till they hit the store shelves. I have had my build all complete except for the damn tires!!! Hate to waist money on Neomotos or Nevegals, when I know the sidewalls are not gonna be tough enough for our east coast rocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by shutterbug67 View Post
    Hate to waist money on Neomotos or Nevegals, when I know the sidewalls are not gonna be tough enough for our east coast rocks
    As someone who has ridden both those tires, tubeless, in the rocky glacial deposit mess that makes up our Connecticut trails, I wouldn't consider either tire a waste of money. The sidewalls might not be as thick as the Schwalbe snakeskin, but both are far from flimsy and more than stout enough to do tubeless conversions and run low pressure. IMHO anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shutterbug67 View Post
    Hate to waist money on Neomotos or Nevegals, when I know the sidewalls are not gonna be tough enough for our east coast rocks
    Quote Originally Posted by apat13 View Post
    As someone who has ridden both those tires, tubeless, in the rocky glacial deposit mess that makes up our Connecticut trails, I wouldn't consider either tire a waste of money. The sidewalls might not be as thick as the Schwalbe snakeskin, but both are far from flimsy and more than stout enough to do tubeless conversions and run low pressure. IMHO anyway.
    I've ridden the Nevegal 2.35 as front tire for some time in two bikes: a Blur LT and a On One 456. Although I did think that sidewalls were weak, I dared to use them as front tire. However, my experience has not been very good. I've cutted the sidewalls and I've suffered severe burping, specially when doing drops (small ones, max half a meter, not more). I could not recommend this tire to be ridden tubeless at all. Moreover, its grip is not very good when compared with true AM tires. I would say it is ok for trail ridind, but definitely not for AM.

    However, my experience with the Hans Dampf is just the oposit. Great AM tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyN View Post
    I've ridden the Nevegal 2.35 as front tire for some time in two bikes: a Blur LT and a On One 456. Although I did think that sidewalls were weak, I dared to use them as front tire. However, my experience has not been very good. I've cutted the sidewalls and I've suffered severe burping, specially when doing drops (small ones, max half a meter, not more). I could not recommend this tire to be ridden tubeless at all. Moreover, its grip is not very good when compared with true AM tires. I would say it is ok for trail ridind, but definitely not for AM.

    However, my experience with the Hans Dampf is just the oposit. Great AM tire.
    Without knowing which version of the tire you were running and on which rim with which tubeless system I really cannot comment on your issues with burping. I set up the 27.5x2.35 DTC version up tubeless for people all the time (most commonly on Flows, Pacenti, or American Classic) and nobody has had any issues with burping doing much bigger stuff (6-10ft) than what you have referenced. The cheap OEM version are a different tire with different casing and different rubber so I cannot speak to those. As far as grip is concerned, I am honestly quite surprised that you think the nevegal is lacking as it is a grip standard by which a lot of other tires are judged. In fact, if anything they are too grippy--resulting in poor rolling characteristics--which is why many people looks for tires like the dampf and nobby nic which offer similar grip but much better rolling and in the case of the NN lighter weight. For most of the riders around here, where the terrain is rocky, chunky, rooty, wet, and slimy (there is more root and rock than dirt on most trails) the Nevegal is the default tire people run.

    Personally I am a much bigger fan of both the Hans Dampf and Nobby Nic for a lot of reasons, but even so I gotta defend the Nevegal. It is a good all around performer that most people love; so when I hear about repeated burping off of stuff most riders wouldn't even consider a drop it is usually due to user error in setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apat13 View Post
    Without knowing which version of the tire you were running and on which rim with which tubeless system I really cannot comment on your issues with burping. I set up the 27.5x2.35 DTC version up tubeless for people all the time (most commonly on Flows, Pacenti, or American Classic) and nobody has had any issues with burping doing much bigger stuff (6-10ft) than what you have referenced. The cheap OEM version are a different tire with different casing and different rubber so I cannot speak to those. As far as grip is concerned, I am honestly quite surprised that you think the nevegal is lacking as it is a grip standard by which a lot of other tires are judged. In fact, if anything they are too grippy--resulting in poor rolling characteristics--which is why many people looks for tires like the dampf and nobby nic which offer similar grip but much better rolling and in the case of the NN lighter weight. For most of the riders around here, where the terrain is rocky, chunky, rooty, wet, and slimy (there is more root and rock than dirt on most trails) the Nevegal is the default tire people run.

    Personally I am a much bigger fan of both the Hans Dampf and Nobby Nic for a lot of reasons, but even so I gotta defend the Nevegal. It is a good all around performer that most people love; so when I hear about repeated burping off of stuff most riders wouldn't even consider a drop it is usually due to user error in setup.
    The only 650b 2.35 Nevegal available to buy is the non-tubeless DTC version, which is the one I have, bought at Jenson. The two rims in which I have used the tire are a 650b Flow and a 650b Pacenti TL28. I always run the fron tire at 26 psi to 28 psi.

    BTW, I've been setting up tubeless tires for years, and this is the only tire with which I have got burping problems. Believe me, I am no newbe on that matter. I have got these burps when falling slightly sideways after small drops and finding a root or rock on the way of the tire, which has happened to me several times. With the Hans Dampf all of this has stopped 100%.

    For me, having the same problem with the same tire and two different wheel and bike setups, and then stopping the problem when changing the tire means the tire is the problem.

    For the grip thing: I guess grip feeling is very personal, but IMHO the grip from a Nevegal and the grip from a Hans Dampf are day and night, specially when it comes to wet conditions but also to lateral grip, where the Nevegal is known to be just acceptable by many people. This is why they use the Steve Peat modification (cuttong out transition knobs to allow the tire to really bite laterally) to make it a slightly better tire. I have even done the modification myself and the tire is marginally better, but nowhere near the Hans Dampf and the Maxxis Minion which are my winners.

    I have even done the same trails with the Nevegal and then doing them again the next day with the Hans Dampf, cause I like to try things and build up my criteria. Boy! What a difference in grip!! Besides that, yes, the casing of Schwalbe tires plays in another leage. I love the way it rolls!

    Riders, riding style, conditions... everything plays its role, so its very difficult to talk on absolute basis here. I just tell my experience so others can judge by themselves.

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    Well, if the only tire you have ever had burping problems with is your particular nevegal, and your sample size is just your particular nevegal, I think you may have just gotten a bad tire. I have set up dozens of them with great success and would consider your experience to be an anomaly. I am not even a huge fan of the nevegal personally (doesn't roll fast and is kinda heavy) but I stock them based on user demand. People love them and I sell more nevegals (regardless of wheel size) than any other tire. That said, I just installed HD's on my rig and would have gotten NN's were they availible at the time. The 26x2.4 NN is freaking enormous and I am very curious to see how the 650b version looks in person.

    Also, I am curious why you are hating so hard on the nevegal now when just a few months ago you were posting about how they have been running "flawlessly" for you....tubeless and all.
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    I have used some 26 2.35 Stick-E Nevegals, with less but some burping and moderate grip and two 650b Nevegals both with bad burping problems when pushed hard laterally and weaker grip than the Stick-E ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apat13 View Post
    Also, I am curious why you are hating so hard on the nevegal now when just a few months ago you were posting about how they have been running "flawlessly" for you....tubeless and all.
    Because at that time it was like this. It was the wider tire available for 650b and my tires had not started burping. But some time after that I began to have cuts in the sides and burping problems. I guess it was when the sides got more use and weakened but I cannot be sure.

    After some time the HD become available and I also discovered how much grip I had been loosing by using the Nevegals.

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    BTW, now that you have your own HD tell us what you thobk when compared to the Nevegals!

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    One thing I forgot to consider as well is that the 26" nevegal uses a 60 tpi casing while the 650b uses a 120 tpi casing....so in theory the 26 should have a little "tougher" sidewall giving it better tear resistance but the 650b should have a more "supple" casing giving it better traction at low pressures. FWIW, WTB uses 120 tpi is all their tubeless tires, while maxxis only uses it in their lightweight race tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyN View Post
    BTW, now that you have your own HD tell us what you thobk when compared to the Nevegals!
    Haven't ridden the 650b version yet but I have done a fair amount of comparision of the 26" and 29" versions. Overall I prefer the Hans Dampf, mainly because it has more predictable driftability and rolls a little better. I always felt like nevegals were too grippy. They feel kid of slow to pedal (to me) and I could not break them free to drift with any consistancy (under hard cornering where I wanted to slide it seemed like the tire would hold on too tight then let go all of a sudden at extreme angle and slide out). The HD's feel a little faster pedaling (although not as fast a NN) but have a more predictable drift curve, by which I mean they gradually let go and let me power slide instead of holding on until the last minute then washing out.

    The one place I think the nevegal kicks the crap out of both the Nobby Nic and the Hans Dampf is in terms of durability. The trailstar compound wears really fast, heck, even the single durometer cheaper versions wore down really fast, whereas nevegals seem to outlast just about everything. I gave my friend a set of season old nevegals at the beginning of this season and he is still running them, while one of my buddy's is now on his second rear tire (HD) after getting about 3 months out of the first one.
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    this guy has them along with missions

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    Agree...

    Quote Originally Posted by apat13 View Post
    Without knowing which version of the tire you were running and on which rim with which tubeless system I really cannot comment on your issues with burping. I set up the 27.5x2.35 DTC version up tubeless for people all the time (most commonly on Flows, Pacenti, or American Classic) and nobody has had any issues with burping doing much bigger stuff (6-10ft) than what you have referenced. The cheap OEM version are a different tire with different casing and different rubber so I cannot speak to those. As far as grip is concerned, I am honestly quite surprised that you think the nevegal is lacking as it is a grip standard by which a lot of other tires are judged. In fact, if anything they are too grippy--resulting in poor rolling characteristics--which is why many people looks for tires like the dampf and nobby nic which offer similar grip but much better rolling and in the case of the NN lighter weight. For most of the riders around here, where the terrain is rocky, chunky, rooty, wet, and slimy (there is more root and rock than dirt on most trails) the Nevegal is the default tire people run.

    Personally I am a much bigger fan of both the Hans Dampf and Nobby Nic for a lot of reasons, but even so I gotta defend the Nevegal. It is a good all around performer that most people love; so when I hear about repeated burping off of stuff most riders wouldn't even consider a drop it is usually due to user error in setup.
    Kenda tire beads and Stans have traditionally mated extremely well, and the Nev in both 275 and 29 have worked perfectly for me. I burp and roll a lot of beads on a lot of tires, but never the Nev.

    Never tore a sidewall.

    If someone is getting poor grip out of a Nev something is wrong. Perhaps it is being run at too high a pressure. I run mine very low, and again, despite that, never burp or roll them. Maybe it is not the grippiest tire out there, but it is close.

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    SitHacka, can you take a picture of that Trail Taker from above (like you're standing over it)? I want to see the top profile of the tire- meaning, is it more of a rounded profile or is it flatter and wide?

    I have a pair of 2.2 Wolverines on my Blur LT right now and I'd like to put something wider on the front. I have plenty of room width-wise, and about 1/4-3/8" in height. The TT looks like the ticket.

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    Vee Rubber trail trackers... Is there a preferred rotation direction? I could not find a rotation marker on the sidewall.

    The central knobs have a blunt end and a sloped end. I mounted the trail tracker such that the blunt end faces forward at the top
    of the tire. All the pictures in the thread have it the other way.

    Thinking about it for a bit, for braking performance I should have it the other way around. Any reason to leave it the way it is?

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    Hmmm, kind of curious there is no rotation arrow.

    Anyway, at least on the Neo Moto 2.3's I have the sloped section faces forward with the tire rotated to the top position. Pretty sure it's to aid in better rolling transition and I would assume the same for the TT. Think I might flip it around.

    EDIT...Isn't the TT the Pacenti design? Is there something referencing Pacenti on the side of the tire as I thought someone mentioned that. Think I would mount it like the Neo Moto so the sloped section makes contact with the ground first as it rolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbense View Post
    Vee Rubber trail trackers... Is there a preferred rotation direction? I could not find a rotation marker on the sidewall.

    The central knobs have a blunt end and a sloped end. I mounted the trail tracker such that the blunt end faces forward at the top
    of the tire. All the pictures in the thread have it the other way.

    Thinking about it for a bit, for braking performance I should have it the other way around. Any reason to leave it the way it is?
    Funny, I've been thinking about this too. Because the TT's were the hardest tire to mount that I've ever handled, I took my front into a shop to have them set up tubeless. They mounted it with the sloping side of the tread facing backwards... which I thought was strange. However, after riding them a couple of times, I haven't noticed a decrease in speed or traction and they seem to work well.

    I noticed in this month's Bike mag that the new High Rollers are the same way- blunt end forward, slope side facing back.

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    For sure the HR2 should be mounted when looking from ontop the bike so that the ramped side is facing forward, this is how it was designed, helps with rolling resistance and then the squared off side provides the braking. I would imagine if your V Rubber tyre is of similar design it should also be mounted this way. Only time you run ramps at the back is to increase climbing traction on the rear, but your braking traction will suffer.

    A little FYI for Maxxis for sure and maybe a few other tyre manufacturers...the Maxxis logo is on both sides of the tyre, the tyre name is only on one side, which is the drive side.

    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Funny, I've been thinking about this too. Because the TT's were the hardest tire to mount that I've ever handled, I took my front into a shop to have them set up tubeless. They mounted it with the sloping side of the tread facing backwards... which I thought was strange. However, after riding them a couple of times, I haven't noticed a decrease in speed or traction and they seem to work well.

    I noticed in this month's Bike mag that the new High Rollers are the same way- blunt end forward, slope side facing back.
    Quote Originally Posted by bbense View Post
    Vee Rubber trail trackers... Is there a preferred rotation direction? I could not find a rotation marker on the sidewall.

    The central knobs have a blunt end and a sloped end. I mounted the trail tracker such that the blunt end faces forward at the top
    of the tire. All the pictures in the thread have it the other way.

    Thinking about it for a bit, for braking performance I should have it the other way around. Any reason to leave it the way it is?
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    i have mounted mine in similar fashion as my rear neo-moto as it is similar design. ramped side facing forward. my trail taker says pacenti on one side too. i love this tire as front tire so far. havent tried it on rear yet.

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    I mount the front so that the ramps hit the ground first. This gives the lowest rolling resistance, but more importantly, better braking.

    I mount the rear the other way, for better bite when climbing. It makes quite a difference.

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    i think its the matter of preference which way to mount, but rolling resistance is more noticeable on rear tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g3rG View Post
    I mount the front so that the ramps hit the ground first. This gives the lowest rolling resistance, but more importantly, better braking.

    I mount the rear the other way, for better bite when climbing. It makes quite a difference.

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    Makes a lot of sense, I can't remember why I thought the other way was right... Maybe I just need more sleep.

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    Just to add something to the Nevagal Debate. I tried to run lighter non tubeless version of the Nevagal and had nothing but problems. Burping then a tear in the sidewall. they worked for only a few rides. I then moved on to the UST Version of the tire. HUGE improvement. It still burped once and a while but I'm 240lbs all geared up. tire lasted about two year's. It performed best once the center knobs wore out. Best grip, low rolling resistance, and cornered nicely. It wouldn' t hold tubeless anymore and about three weeks after having a tube in it I got this tumor and had to retire it. I would run 30-32 psi rear tubeless with it.

    Now I have 650B stuff and wouldn't even consider a nevagal. I have Hans Damp, Nobby Nic, and Racing Ralph. Rolling resistance is Great. Grip is top notch and cornering is predictable. The Ralphs However are not Snakeskin. I Ripped one open and will only use them for the smoother flowy trails. I have been running the Nic on the front, and Hans on the back. Loving that combo. I had the ralph on the rear and it was working very well until I tore it.

    The Nevagal's had their time in MTB History and People need to move on! There are better tires in the market now.
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    Re: Fattest 650b tire?

    Whenever I have a tire like that I mount it with sloped side fwd in front for better rolling & facing back in the rear for better grip on the climbs.
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    With almost no rubber left on the tire I am not surprised you had the casing blow out (honestly I am kind of amazed it didn't just explode). At 240 lbs I am also pretty surprised you got 2 years out of the tire considering most guys I know riding about 160-180 get at most a season out of a DTC before the tread is worn down and the performance greatly diminished.

    Regarding the nobby nics, I will add that I have had to warranty three of the 26x2.4" trailstar tires (all for different reasons) in the last month. Two were never even ridden (one had a tear in the casing right on the bead straight out of the box, another with a very 'wobbly' and uneven rubber lay) and the third was ridden maybe 30 miles before all the side nobs started tearing off at the base. Despite how much I love the NN's performance I am starting to worry about quality control on the latest batches.

    My 650b Hans Damps however are pretty nice. A little on the heavy side but HUGE and grippy and rolling pretty darn well. Too soon to tell in terms of durability but I expect they will have accelerated wear given how soft and sticky the trailstar rubber is. Oh well, if I wanted a tire that would last for years I wouldn't have purchased a soft compound! Can't have it all

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracer650 View Post
    Just to add something to the Nevagal Debate. I tried to run lighter non tubeless version of the Nevagal and had nothing but problems. Burping then a tear in the sidewall. they worked for only a few rides. I then moved on to the UST Version of the tire. HUGE improvement. It still burped once and a while but I'm 240lbs all geared up. tire lasted about two year's. It performed best once the center knobs wore out. Best grip, low rolling resistance, and cornered nicely. It wouldn' t hold tubeless anymore and about three weeks after having a tube in it I got this tumor and had to retire it. I would run 30-32 psi rear tubeless with it.

    Now I have 650B stuff and wouldn't even consider a nevagal. I have Hans Damp, Nobby Nic, and Racing Ralph. Rolling resistance is Great. Grip is top notch and cornering is predictable. The Ralphs However are not Snakeskin. I Ripped one open and will only use them for the smoother flowy trails. I have been running the Nic on the front, and Hans on the back. Loving that combo. I had the ralph on the rear and it was working very well until I tore it.

    The Nevagal's had their time in MTB History and People need to move on! There are better tires in the market now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Whenever I have a tire like that I mount it with sloped side fwd in front for better rolling & facing back in the rear for better grip on the climbs.
    Interesting... I'm more concerned with traction in the front and rolling speed in the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stu44 View Post
    Sounds like the same 2.4 Casing as the Vee Rubber Fluids and Flow in 2.4, see below pics for the Fluids. Ride report tomorrow Aus time.

    These measure in at 710mm in Height, and 61mm tread width.





    They mount up tubeless real nice and easy too, due to them being Sealant compatible.
    YO Stu, what happened to your review?!

    I'm very interested in how the Fluid and Flow turn out, as I'm building a rear Flow now to run a 650 Flow wheel set on my Session 88. How about some stats and what terrain your riding on. What do you think about them? Do you know where one can buy them online?

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    It only lasted two years because I go back and forth between bikes. It probably should of exploded but for whatever reason it held tight.

    I always wanted to try that stans crow tire out. After riding the nevagals with only side nobs left I can see how a basically bald tire can still work well on a mtb. Too bad there is no 650B yet and they always seemed way to flimsy for my fat ass.

    Regarding wobbly rubber lays. I have mounted many Conti Trail Kings in the 26x2.4 Black Chili tubeless version. They pretty much all have a slightly uneven lay. My friends that run them don't mind. Their actually not to much smaller then a 650B Racing Ralph when mounted. I would also love to try that tire in a 650B. Might be good for a DH bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by apat13 View Post
    With almost no rubber left on the tire I am not surprised you had the casing blow out (honestly I am kind of amazed it didn't just explode). At 240 lbs I am also pretty surprised you got 2 years out of the tire considering most guys I know riding about 160-180 get at most a season out of a DTC before the tread is worn down and the performance greatly diminished.

    Regarding the nobby nics, I will add that I have had to warranty three of the 26x2.4" trailstar tires (all for different reasons) in the last month. Two were never even ridden (one had a tear in the casing right on the bead straight out of the box, another with a very 'wobbly' and uneven rubber lay) and the third was ridden maybe 30 miles before all the side nobs started tearing off at the base. Despite how much I love the NN's performance I am starting to worry about quality control on the latest batches.

    My 650b Hans Damps however are pretty nice. A little on the heavy side but HUGE and grippy and rolling pretty darn well. Too soon to tell in terms of durability but I expect they will have accelerated wear given how soft and sticky the trailstar rubber is. Oh well, if I wanted a tire that would last for years I wouldn't have purchased a soft compound! Can't have it all

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