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    This company is eventually pretty clueless. They should take this publicity provided by this forum; stand behind their product and improve the design. Offer some kind of upgrade program at least for the full suspension frame (rear triangle replacement for cost?). They could sell a lot of frames by creating some kind of "premium" Chinese brand. They have the engineering knowledge, but communications and focus is nil.

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    Hi Peter,

    I owe you some feedback. The dropouts are exactly the same as on the pictures you posted. Also, the Shimano axle you have suggested works properly. However, you did not provide feedback about the set screw used.

    Nevertheless, the structural problem of the junction is still there, you can not fix that with a new hanger.

    Thanks for your help and good luck.

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    If possible. Could you dismount the dropouts (both left and right pieces)? And take some pictures and send them to my email ? My concern is maybe the left side piece is not matching for your right dropout.

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    Ok so I think I want to swap my nickel frame for a hardtail carbon frame. I want tapered BSA 135mm. So many on ebay I'm confused. Fr501 what is the ip 136? After looking aound it seems My nickel frame is 7.5 lbs so I will drop around 5 lbs!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by halyho View Post
    This company is eventually pretty clueless. They should take this publicity provided by this forum; stand behind their product and improve the design. Offer some kind of upgrade program at least for the full suspension frame (rear triangle replacement for cost?). They could sell a lot of frames by creating some kind of "premium" Chinese brand. They have the engineering knowledge, but communications and focus is nil.
    And now you understand the concept of Name Brands with regional Distribution channels and representation. The only way to make any profit selling a $700 carbon full suspension frame is to not have any costs tied up in administration, R&D, Customer Support, warranties, etc. I'm all for direct to consumer products, but the big catch is that you're gonna have to deal with whatever gets shipped to you.
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    halyho you have to build and ride first then abuse it to find out IF there is any problem.
    It is not the first frame that the dropout are attached with 2 small screws and you are not the first one who buy this frame.

    The fact that you don't like this system doesn't make it bad

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    It would be great if you would bring up some arguments (preferably engineering) instead of your opinion. Please convince me; you did not so far.

    Selling more of the same product does not make it automatically good or bad. Just think about religion and automobile recalls

    Quote Originally Posted by em2 View Post
    halyho you have to build and ride first then abuse it to find out IF there is any problem.
    It is not the first frame that the dropout are attached with 2 small screws and you are not the first one who buy this frame.

    The fact that you don't like this system doesn't make it bad

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    I agree the swappable dropout system looks less stiff than a standard 142. However, it likely won't lead to a failure* and the difference in stiffness may or may not be felt when using these frames for their intended purposes (XC/Trail riding). At this time and price point they must have felt that accommodating 135QR was neccessary. In the future I bet they change to a full wrap carbon, 142 only dropout with only a removable derailleur hanger.

    *If they were seeing significant failures it wouldn't be economically feasible to keep producing them.
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    The two attachment screws is to just to have the dropout in the right place
    The structural support is provided by the 15Nm tightening force of axle.

    Now convince everyone that you are able to feel any flex down there when you riding 2.2 tires with low pressure

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    I see this thread took a slight curve in the direction it was headed. All good information none the less.

    I thought I would share my impressions of this bike having now owned and ridden it for about 2 months.

    I have the FR-502 frame. It was shipped to my door for $350.00. I think the quality of the frame is very good for that dollar amount spent. It arrived quickly and the build went together no problem.

    On my first time out, I took a nice spill and bent the rear derailleur hanger. Easy enough fix to bend back and it shifts just fine now. However, I did order 4 new pieces direct from Flyxii.com for $21.00 and received 8 within a week. Maybe 4 means 8 in Chinese????

    My problem with this frame is 2 fold and both issues are because of me and my riding ability - which is not very good.

    1. I ordered the wrong size. I ended up going with a size 17" because I normally ride a medium or right now, an 18" steel hardtail. This bike feels really really small. As a result, I can't get comfortable on it. I'm 5'9" 155 lbs.
    2. This bike is too light for my ability. On a rough decent I cannot keep enough momemtum up to get back up a hill if it is rooty or rocky. Because I'm not a good rider, I'm on the brakes alot. When I head back up and hit some roots, done! No momentum, not getting back up the hill. Very aggravating.

    With that said, the lightweight is great for smooth climbs. It accelerates hard and is stiff enough that it flys up the hills. I'm sure this makes a great bike for someone with more ability than me.

    Just thought I'd share.
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    Here's my FR-502. Cost me $1700. I already had the post, bars, and pedals. 19.3lb with the flat pedals, a little less with SPDs. I'm using it as a townie, for little trail rides with the dog, and it may see the occasional XC race when the course suits it.
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    So I'm 5"9 180 and I should get a 19 it seems.

    But what is the difference in the 501 and the ip 136? I think building a hardtail might get me where I want to go. A all purpose bike as I have a set of wheels built with road tires and I only ride 12-15 miles now a week on the trails. Plus I'd drop 5 lbs off my current nickel build.

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    Definitely go with the 19" if you are considering the Flyxii bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by champsk View Post
    very nice build! Do you have the total amount that you paid for all that?
    Sorry, haven't been on here for a while. All told, the complete bike was around $4k USD.

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    Anybody try one of the non internal routed frames??

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    ^Normally internal routing is a pain. You gotta remember to always have the straw or cable going through or it's a nightmare to re-thread. However, the FR-502 has built in guides running through the frame so running cables is as easy as an external bike.
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    Q...Help Will the whippet frame and reba convert to a 650b??


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    you may be lucky with the frame but with not with the fork

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    you may be lucky with the frame but with not with the fork

    Quote Originally Posted by eischman View Post
    Q...Help Will the whippet frame and reba convert to a 650b??


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    I do have a fox float RLT 80mm I could use and heard that would convert. My other q.....is should I go with the 456 or the whippet? the 456 seams a little more durable

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    That Whippet frame won't fit 650 mtn tires. It says it only fits 2.2" 26" tires.
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    Re: Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition

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    That Whippet frame won't fit 650 mtn tires. It says it only fits 2.2" 26" tires.
    This dude says otherwise



    My Whippet Single Speed


    I do have a fox float RLT 80mm I could use and heard that would convert.
    Should, yes.

    should I go with the 456 or the whippet?
    Depends on how you ride. The Whippet is more XC, the 456 more AM.
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    Um I think this discussion is in the wrong thread but while I'm here I'd go the 456, more options for both tyre and geo choice and a far more robust frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    So I'm 5"9 180 and I should get a 19 it seems.

    But what is the difference in the 501 and the ip 136? I think building a hardtail might get me where I want to go. A all purpose bike as I have a set of wheels built with road tires and I only ride 12-15 miles now a week on the trails. Plus I'd drop 5 lbs off my current nickel build.

    First the IP-136 is the newest design in 650B bicycle. now the 135mm QR and 142*12mm Thru Axle can be interchangeable.

    the available size for you is 18". now UD black matt sold well.

    i can send the geometry to you checking, pls contact me via email: bella@xmiplay.cn, my skype: bella-xmiplay.

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    Problem 1, and likely problem 2 are both related to geometry: Too small a frame for Problem 1. These frames all have pretty steep head tube angles (slackest I've seen was still over 70deg), which will make it feel twitchy and unsettling, which will in most cases cause a rider to brake more than if it were a more stable bike. My initial interest in these frames has subsided due to 1) more name brand availability coming down the pipe ("Hello, Kona!") and 2) the steep head tube angles.

    Thanks to all the guinea pigs on here for providing useful feedback.
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    Both bikes will have a high bottom bracket, which will raise your center of gravity significantly. If you ride a lot of rooty areas where you need the clearance, then this won't be a bad thing. The Whippet frame is long and low, so expect either a racy cockpit set up or lots of spacers under the stem. Clearance for the wheels is plenty, but I would wait for a dedicated 650b frame to help keep the COG lower.
    Quote Originally Posted by eischman View Post
    I do have a fox float RLT 80mm I could use and heard that would convert. My other q.....is should I go with the 456 or the whippet? the 456 seams a little more durable
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaiMTB View Post
    I've been dealing with a lot of different Chinese companies, purchasing different technical products and materials, but never bicycles or bicycle parts.

    The e-mails above look very familiar. Chinese companies are currently trying very hard but their product quality is not quite there yet. I have never got a refund on anything and the companies always say that you are the only one with this issue. They are very good with e-mails but that's about it. Most of the people you deal with in English are agents possibly working for many different companies not necessarily understanding much on the product itself.

    Just from my experience, if you ordrer anything from China, there's a 10% chance you get what you wanted and 100% chance you won't get a refund if it's not.

    I'm now purchasing very little stuff from China and after all the time wasted concentrate on other countries instead. In fairness I have to say that there still are two great companies from China I still work with, but that must be the 10%.

    If you can't afford to buy a replacement for the one you are planning to buy from China in case it turns out to be crap, don't waste your money but buy something from closer to home.
    Funny how we Asians understand China and the rest of the world does not......I have been preaching for people to be careful....They think dealing with China and Tawian is the same....

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    I think most Americans are wary of Chinese products and the business ethics of Chinese people. However, when you can save $1000 buying a Chinese product over something else it's worth the risk to many people. For many of us it's the difference between having a carbon frame or wheelset or not being able to afford one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    I think most Americans are wary of Chinese products and the business ethics of Chinese people. However, when you can save $1000 buying a Chinese product over something else it's worth the risk to many people. For many of us it's the difference between having a carbon frame or wheelset or not being able to afford one.
    Well I am glad you understand....once you hand your money over the deal is done...unless you can put them in a position to lose future business.... I have dealt and know a lot of people that have dealt with Chinese companies and it can be an absolute nightmare. On a general note Americans are very trusting and think everyone can be trusted if "one" deal goes through without problems.....Caveat Emptor..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    Hope you enjoy yours. I never got mine set up where it was comfortable for me. It's delegated as the wife's bike now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Hope you enjoy yours. I never got mine set up where it was comfortable for me. It's delegated as the wife's bike now.
    Too small, too big, or just never felt "right"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    Too small, too big, or just never felt "right"?
    I never got it "just right" - and trust me I tried. It wasn't too small because I normally ride an 18" and this was a 17.5". I tried different stem lengths, seat positions, and even bars.

    Believe it or not I actually think the bike was too light for me and my riding ability. It was very twitchy down hill bouncing all over the place and the front tended to lift and wander going up. Because it was all over the place going downhill I couldn't keep any momentum when it was time to go up.

    I do not have this problem on my steel Sirius which also has 27.5" wheels.

    It's a nice bike, looks cool, but I'm disappointed with the outcome, but at least I tried.

    I hope others can enjoy this bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterque520 View Post
    Did you contact Flyxii about the problem?
    What problem? That their bike is too light for my riding style or local trails. I'm not sure what they could help me out with?
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    ^Sounds like you'd benefit from a little suspension and a slacker headtube angle. While my bike is mostly used as a townie I've been taking it on timed runs on the trails I usually ride on my trail and enduro bikes. The light weight and stiffness certainly encourage out of the saddle efforts and I can usually take 30+ seconds out of my usual climbing times but much more concentration and effort is required to stay on line and clean rocky sections. On downhills I lose 1-2 minutes and suffer major arm pump while barely maintaining control. A rigid ultralight bike is a fun novelty but there's almost no situation* where I'd take it over my 25lb Ibis Mojo.

    *Here in Breckenridge, CO. I might feel differently in the Midwest or Texas.
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    Looks like the frame i got and the one you got are differnt models. The 17 i got has a toptube length of 590 wich is almost the same as my nickel.

    How long did shipping take?

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    peterque520 would you consider making the above frame with a internal routing for a dropper post?

    Also will the above frame available in a 142 x 12 rear drop out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trd620 View Post
    peterque520 would you consider making the above frame with a internal routing for a dropper post?
    I used a 1x drivetrain so I routed the dropper hose through the front derailleur holes. It would be simple with a cable operated seatpost but with my Reverb I had to drill out the cable stops and guide tube. It all fell out the headtube.
    Last edited by Lelandjt; 08-21-2013 at 03:39 PM.
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    I bought a fr503 650b frame from ebay.(flyxxi,a baygoods zgr9) and it arrived today in one week. Fit and finish are great. We put a light down the tubes and it is for sure all carbon. Mine is a dead knock off of the limited edition nino replica.wil have build pics in a day or so. My mechanic lifelong friend and 25 year pro mechanic was very impressed with the frame.

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    Built this for a friends son. He got second at nationals 15-18 CAT1

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    I am very interested in the details of the frame and what you did there.

    Where/when did you get the frame?

    what size is it?

    what kind of dropouts? (there have been some design issues raised on the forum about the interchangeable 135 to 142 drop-out design)

    what kind of rear shock?

    I am trying to decide between a 27.5 FS chinese direct carbon frame and a 27.5 anthem alloy frame, so any weaknesses you saw n this frame would be of interest to me.

    Thanks in advance

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    It is a 17.5 frame. It came from HungFu. Bought it earlier this year. Standard 135 mm dropouts (not interchangeable). Rockshox Monarch RT3 Mid/Mid.

    I rode it before handing it over to give it a shakedown run and it performed well. Almost a identical copy of the scott. Only issue so far is that one of the nuts for the swingarm came off. Other than that the end user has been happy with it. I ride a 2011 Anthem X 0 29er, a 2011 Reign 0 (converted 650b) and a 2010 Faith 0. So I like the Giants. If I did not have those in my stable I would get one of these.

    Thinking about importing these and offering a 2 year warranty (deal with me in the US vs the Chinese manufacturer) and making custom builds. You pick from a pool of mid to high end parts to complete your build at a fraction of the cost.
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    Hello,

    Do you know which Q-Factor i do use on de FM136 frame with BSA botom bracket?
    It is for Sram XX or Sram XX1 cransket. 156 or 168mm?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibo971 View Post
    Hello,

    Do you know which Q-Factor i do use on de FM136 frame with BSA botom bracket?
    It is for Sram XX or Sram XX1 cransket. 156 or 168mm?

    Thanks.
    I put an XX1 on my FM502 and used 168
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    I put an XX1 on my FM502 and used 168
    Will a 156 fit or is there not enough clearance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedraceratl View Post
    It is a 17.5 frame. It came from HungFu. Bought it earlier this year. Standard 135 mm dropouts (not interchangeable). Rockshox Monarch RT3 Mid/Mid.

    I rode it before handing it over to give it a shakedown run and it performed well. Almost a identical copy of the scott. Only issue so far is that one of the nuts for the swingarm came off. Other than that the end user has been happy with it. I ride a 2011 Anthem X 0 29er, a 2011 Reign 0 (converted 650b) and a 2010 Faith 0. So I like the Giants. If I did not have those in my stable I would get one of these.

    Thinking about importing these and offering a 2 year warranty (deal with me in the US vs the Chinese manufacturer) and making custom builds. You pick from a pool of mid to high end parts to complete your build at a fraction of the cost.

    Would like a low price build with xfusion fork and shock

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    Thinking about importing these and offering a 2 year warranty (deal with me in the US vs the Chinese manufacturer) and making custom builds. You pick from a pool of mid to high end parts to complete your build at a fraction of the cost.

    Would like a low price build with xfusion fork and shock

    When will you have your "pool of mid to high end part" selections that we can choose from? Are you buying them in bulk to offer discounts?

    Also, I'd like to know how much for shipping in the US? Standard rate, or adjusted for location. I'm in Michigan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedraceratl View Post
    Built this for a friends son. He got second at nationals 15-18 CAT1

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    What a great looking build. what does it weigh?

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    Found this interesting. Check out the drop-out on the Haibike Heet 29er:
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    Looks like a slightly better design. If I interpret the picture correctly, the two screws holding the drop-out also hold a plate in place that is a separate part and has a captive geometry, all good. Can't tell if they would use a metal insert (embedded in the carbon arm) below the plate. That would be certainly good news.

    BTW, that linkage in the chain stay makes me nervous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    Do you have a pic of finish bike?

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    Pulled the trigger on the IP-156 frame. Bought it from Peter @ xmiplay.com, he has been extremely helpful. Got some other parts as well, all in UD matte. Can't wait until it arrives, really excited. I will post pics and updates once the frame arrives and I start the build.

    Have not decided yet on XT or XX1, any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Kjellberg View Post
    Have not decided yet on XT or XX1, any thoughts?
    I LOVE XX1 on my Scalpel, it's simple and provides me with the gearing that I need, if you're strong enough and have the cash I'd say go for it.

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    If anyone is interested in one of these HT 650b frames PM me. I picked one up but decided to go a different direction. I have one of the newer designs.

    A few specs
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    142x12
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    Seatpost included
    Tapered headtube

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    I Love this thing. went from a Nickel to this. I was expecting to get beat up but its soooo fast and the carbon soaks up alot of bumps. After i got about 60 miles on it i was dialed. every pedal stroke equals forward excleration

    Weighs 21.9 as it sits

    Frame...Fr-503 uni directional carbon size med. from ebay. seller was zgr9 to my door in 8 days
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    vizsladog, that's a nice looking bike. You say size med, is that 17 or 19? Are your brakes set up moto style? Can you post some pics of the cable routing along the downtube and chainstayes? Also is did you go 142 on the rear?

    Thanks!

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    Its a 17 med. the fr503 run perfect for medium sizing. Yes i run my brakes moto style. It a normal 135 rear and the only cable run internal is the rear der. The brakes are external. Ill get some more pics up soon. You cN go to ebay and search fr503 to see the geo. Its veeeerrryyy close to the nino replica from scott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    What a great looking build. what does it weigh?
    24lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    Its a 17 med. the fr503 run perfect for medium sizing. Yes i run my brakes moto style. It a normal 135 rear and the only cable run internal is the rear der. The brakes are external. Ill get some more pics up soon. You cN go to ebay and search fr503 to see the geo. Its veeeerrryyy close to the nino replica from scott.
    Great thanks so much. I'm 5'8" so I think the 17 will work well. I'm thinking of going with the fr503 with a rigid fork and single speed until I can get more funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJaYx2P View Post
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    Nice looking bike

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    Peter, do you have a geometry sheet for the 650b full suspension model? I am interested in building one up over the winter. Thanks.

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    Here is mine that I just built up yesterday. Had to drop it off at the local bike shop to get the brake cables shortened.


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    greta looking bike. Is it a fr 503 ebay bike?? i like the gloss and your build looks similar to mine.

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    Here is my hong fu carbon frame, it was my first build I did everything except tuning the gears and cutting and running the brake lines
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    Re: Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition

    Are there any carbon frames that have a slacker head tube angle? Maybe 69 or 68 degrees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    greta looking bike. Is it a fr 503 ebay bike?? i like the gloss and your build looks similar to mine.
    Yes, it is the FR-503 frame. I was planing my build when I saw your build thread. Mine ended up being about the same weight as your too.

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    this is a carbon soft-trail frame 27.5 working well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterQ View Post
    We have all sizes of IP-136 in UD matt with both BSA and BB30 in stock. These IP-136 frames are all mounted swappable dropouts for 135mm QR or 142mm thru axle.

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    what is the cost for a carbon 650b hardtail? I do not see prices on your website. Thx

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    Re: Chinese Carbon Frames - 650b edition

    The geometry of the FM156 Full suspension carbon frame is base on how much suspension travel??

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    Does anybody know of any single speed versions of these frames?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJaYx2P View Post
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    So you didn't sell it then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pucked up View Post
    So you didn't sell it then?
    I built it up since I had the parts already. Still for sale tho cause it's too big for me.

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    Has anyone built one of the superlight frames at ~1000g yet?

    Please post some pictures and/or comments. The full suspension frame review would be cool too.

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    The frame suspension is determined by the frame shock dimension that is 165mm (eye-to-eye). Such a shock will give you about 38mm travel that will result in 108mm rear axle travel for this particular frame (as you can see on the drawing).

    Fork travel is recommended at 120 mm -- again, see the drawing.

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    The geometry of the FM156 Full suspension carbon frame is base on how much suspension travel??

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    Intense Carbine 275 -- 2013 models on sale now for about $1600. Also, 150 mm travel

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    Are there any carbon frames that have a slacker head tube angle? Maybe 69 or 68 degrees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by halyho View Post
    The frame suspension is determined by the frame shock dimension that is 165mm (eye-to-eye). Such a shock will give you about 38mm travel that will result in 108mm rear axle travel for this particular frame (as you can see on the drawing).

    Fork travel is recommended at 120 mm -- again, see the drawing.
    Anyone know if this is the same shock length as the Scott Spark 700? Scott claims 120mm travel on their bike. The IP 156 looks very similar.

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    First off great thread with lots of info for newbie. I'm looking to build up one of these carbons and have been looking at the Flyxii FR-503 and the Xiamen IP-136. I am leaning towards the FR-503 (kinda like the external cables), but would like to hear some opinions on both or others. Also which BB are most running with the BB30 or BSA? I have to admit i'm a little weary of BB30 due to the tight machining spec needed.

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    I went with the FR-503 and really like the frame. (yet to be assembled so no test ride) It appears to be great quality. I've heard some complain about the finish but mine was fine (matte). Its stupid light coming from an alum bike.

    I went with the BSA but only because I plan to use the bb and cranks off my old bike. I don't think you would have a problem either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverPar View Post
    First off great thread with lots of info for newbie. I'm looking to build up one of these carbons and have been looking at the Flyxii FR-503 and the Xiamen IP-136. I am leaning towards the FR-503 (kinda like the external cables), but would like to hear some opinions on both or others. Also which BB are most running with the BB30 or BSA? I have to admit i'm a little weary of BB30 due to the tight machining spec needed.
    I went with a threaded BSA BB for a couple reasons. I wanted to be able to mount a chain guide using the external cups, I could install the threaded BB myself, and I' a bit leery of the creaking issues associated with the press fit type of BB.

    I built up an FM 136 which I believe is the same frame as the IP 136. I like the internal cable routing. The frame has held up great. I rode it all year in an endurance racing series. The bike is awesome.

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    Thanks for the reply guys. What brand/travel fork you using. Michael did you go 1x9 or 1x10 and with what brand? Im thinking of going with the Zee setup, good choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverPar View Post
    Thanks for the reply guys. What brand/travel fork you using. Michael did you go 1x9 or 1x10 and with what brand? Im thinking of going with the Zee setup, good choice?
    I ended up building another asymmetric bike...meaning 29" front and 650b rear. So I went with a Fox Float 29" Terralogic fork reduced to 65mm travel. This fork is a natural fit to a hardtail, whether you go 650b or 29". Of course, I'm a big fan of larger front wheel than rear...it just works.

    For the drivetrain, I went with Shimano shadow+ der in 1x10 configuration with a Rotor QRing crankset and e13 chain guide. Formula R1 brakes...

    The bike weighs in at 19 lbs 11 oz.

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    Thats light.....nice.

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    When they come out with a more trail-oriented 650b frame, I'll for sure get one.

    Hopefully something similar to the carbon Sight or Troy will come out.

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    Does anyone know of a slack carbon frame for the Fox Talas fork? =P

    The FR503 mentioned earlier has an extremely steep head angle. Looking for something in the range of 67-69 degrees, something other than 456.

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    Promotion! Xiamen Iplay IP-088 27.5er frame in 18'' with BSA in UD matt for 142x12 thru axle frame, absolutely best price.

    Anyone has interest, please feel free to contact me.

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    Took me a while but I got her together a few days ago.
    Frame FR-503 UD "Flyxxi" 17 inch tapered headset BSA bb
    Velocity Blunt SL rims Shimano XT hubs
    Kenda Negegal/Slant Six tires set up ghetto tubeless
    Rockshox 30 gold tk 120 mm
    Headset Flyxii
    Cranks Shimano SLX Race Face w/n chainring 36t with Time Roc Atac Alum pedals
    Slx 9 speed shifter/xt rear derailer 9 speed with 11/34 cass
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    Stem FSA OS 190
    Bars Bontrager Race carbon
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    This is my first build. I used the seat, brakes, cranks and bb off my 26 inch Focus. Everything went together really well. Hardest part was setting up the tires tubeless. It was hard to get a feel for how it rides in the slick snow. It feels much lighter than the Focus, esp on the rear end. I weighed it (on bathroom scale) and she comes in a 25 lbs.





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    how do you like the 30 gold? Is it worth spending a little more and getting something else?
    Also, I see you got the 120 travel version, is the fr503 designed for a 100 travel or the 120 works good, seems like some builds here use 100 travel.
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    With just one ride in it seems like a good fork. I really need to get it out and drive it through some gullys to get a feel for it. It feels very much like my 26 inch hard tail with a Reba SL fork. The most noticeable difference is the size of the tire and the angle it hits the ground. The roll over seems better with this set up.

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    I've been considering a fs 650b carbon for my wifes new bike. She's 5' 3" so a 29 seems like an impossible proposition, especially since standover us a major concern for her. Any long term issues cropping up for those who have had them a while? Bearings of decent quality? 100 or 120mm of travel would be plenty, she's no hucker. She's so light, she's never even worn out a set of tires let alone broken anything on her bikes in 25 years of riding.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by man and machine View Post
    Took me a while but I got her together a few days ago.
    Frame FR-503 UD "Flyxxi" 17 inch tapered headset BSA bb
    Velocity Blunt SL rims Shimano XT hubs
    Kenda Negegal/Slant Six tires set up ghetto tubeless
    Rockshox 30 gold tk 120 mm
    Headset Flyxii
    Cranks Shimano SLX Race Face w/n chainring 36t with Time Roc Atac Alum pedals
    Slx 9 speed shifter/xt rear derailer 9 speed with 11/34 cass
    Seat Focus concept
    Brakes Hayes Stroker Ryde
    Stem FSA OS 190
    Bars Bontrager Race carbon
    Seatpost Bontrager Race carbon
    ESI grips

    This is my first build. I used the seat, brakes, cranks and bb off my 26 inch Focus. Everything went together really well. Hardest part was setting up the tires tubeless. It was hard to get a feel for how it rides in the slick snow. It feels much lighter than the Focus, esp on the rear end. I weighed it (on bathroom scale) and she comes in a 25 lbs.
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    That's a nice looking ride! I'm thinking of getting the frame with BB30 for an SS build.

    Where did you find the Kenda Slant tire? What width is it?
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    Thanks! I bought the tires on ebay. Both the Nevegal and Slant Six were $30-35 each. The Negeval in front is 2.35 and the Slant six rear is 2.10. I'm a big fan of the Nev-its what I have on my 26 in both front and rear. It super grippy but sounds like a Mack truck rolling down the highway. I went with the Slant in rear this time to try to reduce some of the rolling resistance. First impressions are good of the Slant on the rear with its tighter-less raised knobs. It seemed to get along well in the snow. We'll see how it does in 6 months after its been worn on some hardpack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    I Love this thing. Weighs 21.9 as it sits
    Sick! With a capitol S!

    Are you sure those are only 600 wide bars?
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    thanks! They are actually 700 wide. Must have miss typed. And i still love the bike

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    I'm considering getting the FR503. I have a 130mm Fox Fork laying around. I believe the geo's indicate this frame is suited for something more around 100mm than 130. I know that using a 130mm fork will change the geo but other than that (and I think I'm fine with that) but would using a fork with that much travel be more likely to cause a frame failure?

    Any thoughts and the pros/cons of using a longer travel fork would be much appreciated.

    Thanks in advance!
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    I emailed flyxii just to make sure the fr503 was designed for a 100 travel fork & it is.

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    Do the 29er and 27.5 bikes have different dropouts? Now is it possible to switch out dropouts, if they fit, to give more length to the 27.5 wheelbase. I like the look of of the lP-156 but want 140+ wheel travel. I heard there was a way by adding a longer shock and offset bushings and by using 26in wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    When they come out with a more trail-oriented 650b frame, I'll for sure get one.

    Hopefully something similar to the carbon Sight or Troy will come out.
    Astro Engineering has one with 150mm of travel:
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    If i could find it for sale or get a response from them I would already own one.

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    Does anyone know what size headset the FR-503 takes? Is it an integrated style?

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    I don't remember what size it is but its integrated. The top and bottom races that came with the headset had the diameters stamped on them but I didn't think to write them down. The bottom one I had to press in, the top fit in without having to press it, just sat in. They fit perfectly flush once in the head tube.

    I know others have said that the "flyxii" brand headset that comes with the bike is junk but I didn't see any problem with the quality of mine. Even if it doesn't last you can always replace it.

    It comes with a compression type deal that the top screw tightens into instead of a star nut that you drive into the fork tube. It was a little heavy and seemed a little questionable so I used a star flanged nut. I know those won't go anywhere..

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    Well I put my money where my mouth is and ordered the FR-503 with fork. I went 17" (I'm 5'10") and the BSA BB. My build kit is on the way - SRAM X7 2x10. This will be my daily commuter and XC race bike and as such is getting the drop bar treatment - Salsa Woodchippers. Really looking forward to getting this thing built up!

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