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    Hi, I bought them by number. A mail order bike shop had 12 in stock, so I left them with 4.

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    Did they do a kit Joel or did you order by number?

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    Coolio.

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    Got the new bearings in and bike back together. I made a bearing press using one of the old bearings. I ground down the inner race so that the outer races would be in contact. Even with the DIY press, bearings did not want to go in straight. I found it was better to tap them in with my plastic hammer then set them with the press. Now I just need the ice to go away so I can ride.

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    I got my Imust S7 frame the other day. With the Rockshx Monarch XX rear shock.


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    I got my Imust S7 27.5er frame with the Rockshox Monarch XX Rear Shock.


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    Nice

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    Also, I had a Rockshox Revelation RCT3 DP Air 150mm tapered 27.5 fork delivered on Friday.

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    Make sure you post your build.

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    Also, I had a Rockshox Revelation RCT3 DP Air 150mm tapered 27.5 fork delivered on Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alucke View Post
    Also, I had a Rockshox Revelation RCT3 DP Air 150mm tapered 27.5 fork delivered on Friday.
    I will, now waiting on the components.

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    was out riding mine again today, discovered a bit of a flaw, rear tyre clearance! always rolled with a 2.35 Hans Dampf on the back, but under hard cornering it is rubbing the frame, also it caught the chain at one point and pulled it into the frame!

    so looks like I will have to downsize to a 2.25 tyre

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    Yeah tyre clearance is an issue, I've changed my rear tyre to a 2.25.

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    otherwise, it rides really great, my pivot bolts seem to be staying put (I was liberal with the loctite)

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    When I bought my frame, ICAN told me not to use over 2.3" in the back. I have used a Minion DHRII and a HighRoller II in the back both 2.3", have not had a rubbing issue ( other than debris getting pulled around ). I suppose wheels and frame are the two big players.

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    Yeah I have 35mm rims and that makes the tyres stick out that little bit more.

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    27.5ER AM FM336 and 29er FM356

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel_l View Post
    Make sure you post your build.
    I received all the components this past Monday. Now waiting for when I have time to take to my lbs to get the bike built.

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    If you are mechanically inclined, you might have them press the headset and bottom bracket in and give it a go yourself. It's a great way to learn how your bike works and learn how to set it up.

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    I received all the components this past Monday. Now waiting for when I have time to take to my lbs to get the bike built.

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    @ Alucke: I also agree with building it up yourself. It's not that hard and you'll learn a lot.

    I took it to my local bike co-op to get the bearings pressed in (I literally have only used a bearing press/drift 3 times in my life) but other than that everything else I did myself with my basic hand tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tier1 View Post
    @ Alucke: I also agree with building it up yourself. It's not that hard and you'll learn a lot.

    I took it to my local bike co-op to get the bearings pressed in (I literally have only used a bearing press/drift 3 times in my life) but other than that everything else I did myself with my basic hand tools.
    I don't have the tools to put the bike together, myself.

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    You are going to want to be able to keep the bike maintained. You don't need much in terms of tools. Metric allen wrench set will do 90% of it. Depending on if it's even something you want to do, you are not talking about a big investment in tools to assemble and maintain your bike.

    If you are thinking about doing it yourself, the other thing you would probably want to do is have the bike shop cut the steering stem to length one you figure out where you want it. I left mine slightly long and had some spacers on top so I could make adjustments. Came in handy when I went to a shorter stem and wanted to raise it some.

    What ever you do assembly wise, have fun with the bike. Look forward to seeing the finished project.

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    I don't have the tools to put the bike together, myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alucke View Post
    I don't have the tools to put the bike together, myself.

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    Just go to Harbor Freight spend like $20 on some basic tools and it'll get you like 90% of the way. Even if you use the tools like 3 times before they fall apart and comically catch fire it's still worth it to learn by physically doing it.

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    What kind of rear 12*142 thru axle does the frame use, as I forgot to get a 12*142 thru axle

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    I use one like this, there is a counter sink hole so you can't use the STD Shimano one. https://goo.gl/images/qrDvYr

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    I use one like this, there is a counter sink hole so you can't use the STD Shimano one. https://goo.gl/images/qrDvYr

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    So what kind of 12*142 thru axle do I use, that link took me to a website list of hubs and stuff

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    Can you guys weigh your bikes?

    Anyone want to chime in with total weight, with or without pedals?

    I am thinking of doing a parts swamp from a Giant Stance to one of these frames. I mean transferring as much as I can from my existing bike to a lighter carbon FS frame. 27.5 Crest wheels, 1 1/8 tapered fork, stem/handle bar, brakes, 2x10 drivetrain etc.

    But right now I am at 29lbs, and kind of don't want to go blindly buying a frame to save 1 or 2lbs. Yes I know it will depend on what my bare frame weighs, but I have no way of measuring that. Also concerned about loosing some of my 68° of head tube slackness.

    So let's hear it...

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    I bought the Shimano version of this,

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Doesn't look like Amazon has them anymore, but the axle itself is very good. It comes with two threaded ends, I had to swap the mounted one for the other that was supplied to work with threaded insert nut.


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    So what kind of 12*142 thru axle do I use, that link took me to a website list of hubs and stuff

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    Mine is just under 29lbs ready to ride. The frames are 68 or 68.5 degrees depending on frame size. Some of us have put different head sets on to loosen it up to 66ish degrees

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    I ordered one from AliExpress.com. It should be here in 20 days. That will give me a little time to find a bike repair stand and some bike repair tools on Amazon.com

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    mine weighs in at 30.5 lb but it is perhaps a more Enduro based build rather than XC

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    Just a heads up here concerning frame quality.

    Just found that my lower pivot has come loose from the carbon. The metal insert has debonded. So far the play is minimal but I can clearly feel it moving. Have now epoxied the edge around the sleeve where it meets the bonding and tried to force the glue into the crack. I don't think it will hold up in the long run, but it will hopefully give it a couple of more rides.
    Will contact HF for warranty claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LasseB View Post
    Just a heads up here concerning frame quality.

    Just found that my lower pivot has come loose from the carbon. The metal insert has debonded. So far the play is minimal but I can clearly feel it moving. Have now epoxied the edge around the sleeve where it meets the bonding and tried to force the glue into the crack. I don't think it will hold up in the long run, but it will hopefully give it a couple of more rides.
    Will contact HF for warranty claim.
    thanks for the heads up, will keep an eye on it

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    Update: Initial repair did not work out. The play between carbon an alu insert is back after 3 hrs ride. Will try next step. Drill into metal insert and press epoxy from the inside out. Fingers Crossed. Hong Fu is on some chinese holiday for another week...

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    Is anyone rocking a CC Angleset headset or similar? After some saddle time on my bike I kind of feel the bike is a bit steep and "twitchy". I'd like to slacken it up a bit.

    According to the spec sheet it's supposed to be 68 degrees. I've got a 150mm fork and 200x57mm shock on it right now not sure exactly what the final angle is. I'm thinking of using the CC Angleset -1.5 degree kit to get it down to 66.5 degrees and make it more of a Freeride/Enduro trail slayer.

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    Yes I run a angle set, mine is a -2 from Superstar Components, it's been brilliant and changed the feel, made me much more confident.

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    Im also running the same angled headset as vwsurfbum, -2 Ive had it since I built the bike, very happy with it all so far (except the rear tyre clearance issue)

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    I asked chemical bikes about the "all new" 2017 models and what was new on Instagram. They asked what I would like to see, I said more rear tyre clearance. Not had an answer lol

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    Hi,

    I have that very headset on mine. If you search you will find comments on the Crane Creek "creak". If do you get the CC one, watch their installation video, it is helpful. I did get mine installed creak free. Because the adjustable cup on the CC unit is on the bottom, your forks will be extended about 1/2". This will get you a little more than the 1.5 degrees the CC set gives.

    I will be the opposite of the other comments so far, I did not notice a big difference in the slacker head angle. Now, I did not ride it a lot before putting the headset on, but it did not jump out at me as being better. Still, in the end, I left it on and am happy with the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tier1 View Post
    Is anyone rocking a CC Angleset headset or similar? After some saddle time on my bike I kind of feel the bike is a bit steep and "twitchy". I'd like to slacken it up a bit.

    According to the spec sheet it's supposed to be 68 degrees. I've got a 150mm fork and 200x57mm shock on it right now not sure exactly what the final angle is. I'm thinking of using the CC Angleset -1.5 degree kit to get it down to 66.5 degrees and make it more of a Freeride/Enduro trail slayer.

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    I would be careful about trying to fix it, might make Hong Fu not replace it.

    The CF should have been tightly layed up around the lug. Trying to just fill the void with epoxy is precarious at best. Also need to be careful of what epoxy you use. If you still insist on trying to fix it, I would probably mix some chopped fibre into the epoxy ( just don't breath it ).

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    Update: Initial repair did not work out. The play between carbon an alu insert is back after 3 hrs ride. Will try next step. Drill into metal insert and press epoxy from the inside out. Fingers Crossed. Hong Fu is on some chinese holiday for another week...

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianr View Post
    Hi Chukie,
    still not finished as I'm not hurry but here's a pic:

    awesome paint job - how did you do it? im thinking of using plasti dip, in case i wanna change the colour scheme...

    how tall are you? im debating between the 15.5 and 17.5... im 5'6" but have shorter legs and longer torso... like a really elongated midget

    and whats your fork's specs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SO_DOGE View Post
    awesome paint job - how did you do it? im thinking of using plasti dip, in case i wanna change the colour scheme...

    how tall are you? im debating between the 15.5 and 17.5... im 5'6" but have shorter legs and longer torso... like a really elongated midget

    and whats your fork's specs?
    go with the 17.5

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    Took my S7 out for a ride today. We have been having some unusually warm winter weather that has melted off most the snow in the foothills. First ride since swapping out the pivot bearing a bit ago. All worked well ( even my body ). Did start running into slushy snow and mud as I climbed. The single track down had plenty "hidden" runs of snow, ice, and mud. I tried my best to pick line that did not tear up the trail and think I did a good job of it. Was nice to get in a winter ride and still be able to make the climb. Guess the skiing once a week is kelping a bit.

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    anybody knows any of these chinese brands making 27.5 frames with 65° HA with 150-170mm travel?

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    Not seen one, seen DH bikes but not an all mountain like that.

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    yeah, just seen 68°-69° frames like 90% of the time.

    somebody should say to them they'd make mountains of monies if they update. I already like the basic visual designs they use. plus - how do the linkages and suspension work? I see they almost unanimously use almost the same design? that some kind of VPP thing? looks like to me...

    to be honest, got tired of 3500-5000€'s frames.

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    is anyone using offset bushings? considering getting a set to compliment the slackerizer headset?

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    I did ask them (dengfu) exactly that:

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    hi. I am looking for a 27.5 or 26 MTB frame that has front fork travle of more than 140mm and smaller HA angle than 68*. All I found on your websites was 68*. Do you have full suspensions frames with a lower angle than 68*?
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    Hello Ibo,
    
    Our smaller HA angle is 68* for full suspensions frame.
    And only FM288 has front fork travle of more than 140mm and HA angle 68*.
    Is ok for you?
    I figured that is standard. If you want more angle, you can use angleset, or off spec size rear shock, longer forks.

    this guy describes how he did that with the schock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySAKcRrsOXI&t=208s

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    Can someone please tell me the shock bushing size, of the Imust/Ican S7 frame. I am still waiting for imust-sports to reply to my email about the shock bushings on the S7.


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    I use a slakeizer

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    For my Fox CTD I used 8mmx22.2 front and back.

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    Can someone please tell me the shock bushing size, of the Imust/Ican S7 frame. I am still waiting for imust-sports to reply to my email about the shock bushings on the S7.


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    OK thank u

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    Quote Originally Posted by SO_DOGE View Post
    I did ask them (dengfu) exactly that:

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    Hi Kelsey Xiao
    hi. I am looking for a 27.5 or 26 MTB frame that has front fork travle of more than 140mm and smaller HA angle than 68*. All I found on your websites was 68*. Do you have full suspensions frames with a lower angle than 68*?
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    Hello Ibo,
    
    Our smaller HA angle is 68* for full suspensions frame.
    And only FM288 has front fork travle of more than 140mm and HA angle 68*.
    Is ok for you?
    I figured that is standard. If you want more angle, you can use angleset, or off spec size rear shock, longer forks.

    this guy describes how he did that with the schock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySAKcRrsOXI&t=208s
    it seems to me its just too much of a hassle, really.
    the frames are getting better and better, but still, I'll wait for some updated enduro geometry chinese carbon frames - I'm pretty sure they are going to start produce those very soon.

    plus - this guy's yt channel has nazi SS insignia as an avatar. is he insane? I really cannot fathom any irony, joke, or even remotely humoristic about that. that's just plain wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashas View Post
    it seems to me its just too much of a hassle, really.
    the frames are getting better and better, but still, I'll wait for some updated enduro geometry chinese carbon frames - I'm pretty sure they are going to start produce those very soon.

    plus - this guy's yt channel has nazi SS insignia as an avatar. is he insane? I really cannot fathom any irony, joke, or even remotely humoristic about that. that's just plain wrong...
    hahaha i noticed that too...he seems to not be that intelligent, but he did make a point. smaller size shock, slacker head angle

    no idea how carbon frame manufacturing in china is regulated, warranted and permitted. You could be right

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    Quote Originally Posted by SO_DOGE View Post
    hahaha i noticed that too...he seems to not be that intelligent, but he did make a point. smaller size shock, slacker head angle

    no idea how carbon frame manufacturing in china is regulated, warranted and permitted. You could be right
    I really can not understand why they didn't already start to produce slacker, lower, and longer frames.

    so about shorter E2E - what does that do actually? not only for slacker HA, but for kimenatics, BB height and so on... sorry for n00bness... (plus - for how much does it slacken the HA?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashas View Post
    I really can not understand why they didn't already start to produce slacker, lower, and longer frames.

    so about shorter E2E - what does that do actually? not only for slacker HA, but for kimenatics, BB height and so on... sorry for n00bness... (plus - for how much does it slacken the HA?)
    theres def people here that can answer as professionally as trumps lawyers, but from my imagination, the BB would come lower, travel of the frame would be shortened, so you bottom out sooner. it would angle the bike better for downhill and worse for climbing. think about it - you got two moving triangles connected at one of their vertices (near BB).

    look at the image i attached, imagine the shock shorter. it would pul the back wheel into the frame, a little bit up, wont it
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    My 2.5 cents,

    I think there is too much angst over the Chinese frame geometries. The 68 degrees is not horrible for the frame and general usage. There are options that work well to get to 66 degrees if you like. Some here have done that and are happy with the new handling. In my case, I did not notice so much a difference and enjoy the ride either way. I used a CC angleset that was 1.5 degrees and because the adjustable cup is on the bottom, it pushed my forks out another 1/2" which put me about 2 degrees slacker in total.

    Bottom line, I think most that have actually bought/ridden the FM336/S7 frames are happy with them and there is room for tuning if you want. I am thrilled with mine.

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    Yep loving mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel_l View Post
    My 2.5 cents,

    ...
    Bottom line, I think most that have actually bought/ridden the FM336/S7 frames are happy with them and there is room for tuning if you want. I am thrilled with mine.

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    Yep loving mine

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    here is my bike. The frame came with a rockshox monarch XX. Built the frame up with Truvativ holzfeller 50mm stem, holzfeller handlebars, along with a rockshox revelation rct3 27.5. The wheels are mavic crossride 27.5, 12x142 rear. Had to buy a xd driver for the wheel. The drivetrain is sram gx 1x11 components. The brakes are sram level disc brakes.


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    nice, ill be getting my frame hopefully tmr, ill be looking at both of your builds...

    is it me or just mountain bikes look better muddy and dirty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SO_DOGE View Post
    theres def people here that can answer as professionally as trumps lawyers, but from my imagination, the BB would come lower, travel of the frame would be shortened, so you bottom out sooner. it would angle the bike better for downhill and worse for climbing. think about it - you got two moving triangles connected at one of their vertices (near BB).

    look at the image i attached, imagine the shock shorter. it would pul the back wheel into the frame, a little bit up, wont it
    ok, I understand, thank you.
    what kind of linkage does chinese frames use? looks like VPP to me. that's not half bad if true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel_l View Post
    My 2.5 cents,

    I think there is too much angst over the Chinese frame geometries. The 68 degrees is not horrible for the frame and general usage. There are options that work well to get to 66 degrees if you like. Some here have done that and are happy with the new handling. In my case, I did not notice so much a difference and enjoy the ride either way. I used a CC angleset that was 1.5 degrees and because the adjustable cup is on the bottom, it pushed my forks out another 1/2" which put me about 2 degrees slacker in total.

    Bottom line, I think most that have actually bought/ridden the FM336/S7 frames are happy with them and there is room for tuning if you want. I am thrilled with mine.

    Joel
    the thing is I got used to riding 170mm forks (160-165 rear travel) on all my bikes for a decade now, and I want to continues doing so, so these frames can't support that. or can they?

    second, I currently ride Capra with Lyrik 170 which is now lower than 64.5° HA (MBR states its as low as 64.1°). plus the numbers say that BB height for Capra is 350 - from my experience it is waaaay lower when riding. I like that a lot. best bike I ever had.

    the thing I really want is actually Capra frame with longer TT, more reach, somewhere around Strive Pro sizing - but would prefer 77-78° seat angle. now that would make Capra the ultimate bike...

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    ordered myself a pair of offset bushings, combined with the slackerizer headset, should slacken it out nicely! been riding a lot of dh/enduro stuff recently so looking for some slackness, currently at 66.5 should drop me another degree to 65.5

    will post my findings.

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    Hi,

    Seems you are looking for a different bike than what the FM336/S7s are. With these frames, I think the max you will get out of the read is 150mm. The front maybe a bit more, but then I would be cautious about the load change on the head tube if you push the forks out too much past 150mm. I'm at 155mm, someone else is at 160mm and seems OK. Every increment changes the loading. Just pushing the forks out makes the HA slacker but also the seat tube.

    Seems you are looking more for a DH bike which these frames are not. Not sure what Chinese company is making a long travel DH bike.

    The Capra looks interesting, have you tried a longer stem? Won't change the seat tube angle but will get you more reach. Depending on how you like the handling now, longer reach could be a don't care, a plus, or a minus.

    Personally I find a lot of these geometry changes in the don't care category.

    Quote Originally Posted by ashas View Post
    the thing is I got used to riding 170mm forks (160-165 rear travel) on all my bikes for a decade now, and I want to continues doing so, so these frames can't support that. or can they?

    second, I currently ride Capra with Lyrik 170 which is now lower than 64.5° HA (MBR states its as low as 64.1°). plus the numbers say that BB height for Capra is 350 - from my experience it is waaaay lower when riding. I like that a lot. best bike I ever had.

    the thing I really want is actually Capra frame with longer TT, more reach, somewhere around Strive Pro sizing - but would prefer 77-78° seat angle. now that would make Capra the ultimate bike...

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    Im currently 160 on front, no issues. but agree with Joel, I think anymore would be pushing it, these are really trail bikes rather than full on enduro or dh bikes.

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    too bad they don't make the frames I'd be into. I think they would really make a lot of money if they enter Enduro segment, especially if they would experiment with new direction geometry wise. I really think longer and slacker bikes are going to become standard. that geo really improves riding experience and is better for higher speed, more steep stuff.

    well, going through the posts here it seems these frames would makes for a perfect 110-120mm back travel, 130 front travel trail bikes. don't know what the default travel is for 336/s7 frames. what is the BB height for 336/s7? plus, is that VPP linkage?

    I already have 170-165 bike, and don't need another, so that smaler travel bike would be something to think about, for those all day all mountain days. I'd defo go for that bike.

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    My bike is set up with 150mm travel front and back ( front is pushed out a bit because of the angleset headset ),so actually thinking of it, I'm closer to 163mm unloaded.

    The bikes do have a VPP and it works well. My bikes BB height unloaded is 355mm to crank center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel_l View Post
    My bike is set up with 150mm travel front and back ( front is pushed out a bit because of the angleset headset ),so actually thinking of it, I'm closer to 163mm unloaded.

    The bikes do have a VPP and it works well. My bikes BB height unloaded is 355mm to crank center.

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    thanx for the info.
    is 150 travel default travel of the frame? and BB height is measured after angleset, right?

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    150mm is the default, for the rear that is using a 200x57mm shock. I think some have used 200x50mm, less travel slacker front.

    the 355mm BB height is with the angleset installed.

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    thanx for the info.
    is 150 travel default travel of the frame? and BB height is measured after angleset, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel_l View Post
    Seems you are looking more for a DH bike which these frames are not. Not sure what Chinese company is making a long travel DH bike.

    Personally I find a lot of these geometry changes in the don't care category.
    I agree with this. These are AM bikes for getting up and down a mountain not DH/FR/Enduro slaying machines where all the trails are lift assisted. The geo is what it is and follows a tried and true formula that might be a bit older but we know works. Not designed to be groundbreaking in any technology or the longest, lowest, slackest, DH gnar sled.

    At most, I'd say these bikes are "North Shore bikes" aggressive enough HTA and nice pedaling platform that you can actually go uphill but slack and playful enough on the downhill that you can still get down a decently gnarly trail with some tech skill. eg. the same class as a Rocky Altitude, Kona Heihei, Process 134, or Mach 4 (just barely reaching/touching the enduro category).

    With all that said, I have also taken this bike down some flowy blue trails at Whistler bike park. It doesn't inspire that much confidence compared to a real DH rental bike (eg. a Rocky Maiden that's designed with coil shock, 4 bar linkage, slack 63 degree HTA, etc.) where I just point it in a direction and ride it out but I was still able to get down the trails on this thing and have fun. I'd probably want to slacken the HTA up a bit to 66 or 66.5 degrees but the 68 HTA was fine as long as you know the limits of the bike and aren't trying to do crazy things like Schleyer or Canadian Open DH.

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    agree with tier. except id argue that theres people in this thread who have successfully pushed their builds into enduro territory. but dont be buying it for DH

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    Quote Originally Posted by panzer103 View Post
    Imust Carbon 27 5 Full Suspension MTB Frame XP07 M Size BSA Rear 12x148mm | eBay
    This frame looks awesome! I would sport the crap out of it.
    Hi ppl, anyone have luck on this frame,care to share more info?
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    It's funny, my first full suspension bike was a Specialized Enduro Expert I bought new in 2004. It had 100mm rear and about 127mm in the front and a you could select a 70.5 degree HA with a 13.2" BB height or 69.5 degree HA with a 12.8" BB height by flipping a link. That was an enduro bike back then. Today, the FM336/S7 is in cross over territory from trail to AM with an HA of 68 and travel of 150mm F&R.

    I still remember my first "mountain" was a Fuji Suncrest all steel bike 18 speed.

    I guess the bottom line is don't get so wrapped up on labels and whats trendy this week ( I think a lot of that crap is to generate new bike sales ). Get what you like and have fun with it.

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    agree with tier. except id argue that theres people in this thread who have successfully pushed their builds into enduro territory. but dont be buying it for DH

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    Quote Originally Posted by microbike View Post
    Hi ppl, anyone have luck on this frame,care to share more info?
    That's going to crack at the seat tube, right above the pivot bolt. Unless it's REALLY thick, overbuilt carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SO_DOGE View Post
    I demand side profile pictures guys (your bikes, not you)
    and one of me side on

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    and one of me side on
    lol your back "light"

    is that 26" wheels? and 150mm travel fork?

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    I just ordered Scott's new 100mm travel cross country racing frameset and noticed that its head angle is the same as this "all mountain" bike. This bike was intriguing during the lead up, disappointing once it was released, and now a flat out joke a year later. Its geometry is wack, the price isn't that good, and people are having bearing problems. The market is flooded with barely used Bronsons and the like that you can buy for the same money as building up one of these.
    Keep the Country country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    The market is flooded with barely used Bronsons and the like that you can buy for the same money as building up one of these.
    just went thru pinkbike buy/sell canadian section. cheapest bronsons i found were 2015 $3,250, $3,500 and upward of $4k. So i dont know. How much do you think one of these builds is?

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    New Bronsons start at $3000. Perhaps middle of winter the used market isn't as busy but come riding season it shouldn't be hard to find a great used bike for $2000-$3000. It wasn't from May to October last year. That's what I'd guess people are spending on these Chinese "AM" bikes. It's almost beside the point though. This bike won't provide the ride experience "AM" promises. The segment is mature enough that your choices are no longer leading brands like Santa Cruz or hoping a Chinese immitation can be made to work. There are so many great bikes from budget oriented brands like Norco and Kona* too. When this frame was announced I was suspicious the manufacturer could get geometry and durability in line with what this segment requires and I was proven right.

    *I just got a Precept 150 as a beater to keep in Hawaii and it feels like a heavier version of my Bronson. Suggested retail is $2100. My Colorado shop will be selling our demos at the end of this summer for $1400.
    Keep the Country country.

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    meh, I only needed the frame. For the money, I could get a couple of year old Alu bike (with even more dated geo), or I was able to buy this, brand new Carbon frame (slightly dated geo, but for the price of a angle headset and offset bushings I could adjust), I thought its worth a shot, loving it so far, I had a Trance 650b before this, and the Ican rides better, I ride everything from all mountain ride through to DH on it, I see many big brand carbon frames dying within a few years, so I expect this will be the same, the difference is the outlay is a lot smaller so I can move on to something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SO_DOGE View Post
    lol your back "light"

    is that 26" wheels? and 150mm travel fork?
    Cheers
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    I agree with D@Z build quality is very similar to the Santa Cruz and I must say I'm enjoying not having to pay the massive premium for the use of the VPP.
    Great bike, well worth the money and the chance to prove how good it actually is.

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    Do most here have the ICAN frame or are there others? So far I have one season on mine, a couple of tumbles, and no damage. I've only heard of one separation at the lower pivot but don't know if that was ICAN or some one else. I ended up paining mine with Lacquer because it shows cracks well.

    How long have some of you had yours? Not sure how long the S7/FM336 has been out.

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    I agree with D@Z build quality is very similar to the Santa Cruz and I must say I'm enjoying not having to pay the massive premium for the use of the VPP.
    Great bike, well worth the money and the chance to prove how good it actually is.

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    Ive stacked mine a few times so far, still holding up ok lol. I have had mine since around November

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    Quote Originally Posted by d@z View Post
    Ive stacked mine a few times so far, still holding up ok lol. I have had mine since around November
    side view pic please

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    Quote Originally Posted by SO_DOGE View Post
    side view pic please
    looks like the rest posted on here!

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    Anyone got any more info on the P9 advertised on the front of iCanBike's page? Look's quite heavy at 2.6kg but fairly sturdy.

    I'm thinking the CS-FS27 is still a better option for XC. Unless anyone can recommend anything else for a 650B XC FS bike trying to get under 10KG.

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    http://www.icanbikes.com/html/MTB/27_5ER_frame/338.html

    I think it is a transition ? A sub 10kg full suspension MTB, that's going to be near on impossible? It would need to be a soft tail short travel xc machines not something like that


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    this new 2017 Enduro Frame P9 look great, and the numbers are now on par with the most big brands bikes out there. nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashas View Post
    this new 2017 Enduro Frame P9 look great, and the numbers are now on par with the most big brands bikes out there. nice!
    Only doubt I have is on the chainstay lenght which appears a bit long at 452mm.
    Except this they made finally a frame with modern geometries and threaded rear hanger.

    Let's see if will be available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianr View Post
    Only doubt I have is on the chainstay lenght which appears a bit long at 452mm.
    Except this they made finally a frame with modern geometries and threaded rear hanger.

    Let's see if will be available.
    yeah, didn't look at chainstay, was concentrated on HA, SA and reach. bit long, yes, but I know some people will prefer that.

    would love to try this frame though...

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    That Ican P9 looks like its got some serious potential, especially that weight, at 2400grams!!? I wish they had designed it with a 31.6 post size at least though.

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    Also take into account that those numbers are based on having a 180mm fork fitted (571mm axle to crown) so for most people it'll be running a little lower / steeper

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weedling View Post
    Also take into account that those numbers are based on having a 180mm fork fitted (571mm axle to crown) so for most people it'll be running a little lower / steeper
    yes, true, was confused when I realized that as well.
    a bit disbalanced having 150mm in the back and 180 front...

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    Frame price is 730$ + shipment.

    I've asked for the CADs sheets so I can understand better the whole geometry.

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