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    Changing the name of the forum to 27.5

    Looks like battle has been won and this new wheel size is going to be called 27.5 by the vast majority in the future.

    To help the unification and to avoid confusing readers, we're planning on renaming this forum to 27.5.

    Good idea, bad idea? I'd also like to suggest to everyone to start using 27.5. It's just so much easier moving forward.

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    Simpler for sure, 650b for nostalgia

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    My norco killer b is sure to have an identity crisis

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    Jamis is still using 650b. They started early and still use the term. If the term is in use, it should remain.

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    I think the should be called 27.5ers

    Seriously, 650b rolls off the tongue better.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    to help the unification and to avoid confusing readers, we're planning on renaming this forum to 27.5.
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    What about sixfiddy, 6fiddy or 55/2?

    Who cares, its 6 of one or half dozen of another (650 of one or 27.5 of another).

    Some think anything but 26 is gay!

    Not that there's anything wrong with that

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    Those who are late to the party are calling it 27.5. 650b is more distinctive. It's what we've always called it on this forum. I vote we leave it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael9218 View Post
    650b is more distinctive.
    ...and more Euro, which has to count for something.
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    Today I typically say "650b" but 27.5 is the way I thought of it from the beginning (July 2007).
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    Go with it, I've changed to 27.5 when I refer to the wheel size.

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    Leave it as is for at least another year. I am a 650b diehard.

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    Keep 650b. I think only a certain country in North America calls em 27.5.

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    6 fiddy.

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    It's currently called the 650b/ 27.5 forum, is there something wrong with continuing to use both for now?

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    My new Hans Ds read 27.5 so Schwable knows whats up. The industry seems to be slowly getting away from "650b" due to new comers being a bit confused.

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    Nothing wrong with an increased vocabulary and understanding. Leave it.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    I vote to leave it as it is. MTBR should continue to strive to lift itself above the mainstream ignorance and marketing gumpf.

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    why are mountain bikes broken out by wheelsize in the first place?

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    I'm not going to stop calling them 650Bs. If a mega tire maker like Kenda or Schwalbe can label their tires as 650B and 27.5 at the same time then I don't see why the forum can't remain named as it is. Especially since only a handful of tire models for the wheelsize actually measure out to 27.5". Calling it that made sense when there was only ONE tire option available. There are dozens of options now and there are examples closer to 27.2" as well as some pushing into the 28er range.
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    I vote 27.5

    Typical conversation...

    dude looking at my wheels: Whats with the wheels?

    me: 650b

    dude: 650 wha?

    me: 27.5"

    dude: oh

    So now I just say 27.5 from the start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hill-Pumper View Post
    It's currently called the 650b/ 27.5 forum, is there something wrong with continuing to use both for now?
    +1 - Nope. If people can't figure that out they shouldn't be allowed to ride 'em or read about 'em.
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    ^this

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    You could name it 584 and be both trendy and accurate.

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    You could always rename it "the best wheelsize" because that is what it is. At least that is what marketing departments are telling me.

    Or possibly "26" wheel replacement"

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    "the best wheelsize" ...possibly, but subjective

    "26 wheel replacement" ...No.

    584 ...ok, but then all other wheel sizes should be so named and good luck with that.

    Juan Carlos ...hmm, maybe we're on to something here...
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    650b is the name, 27.5 is the johnny come late to the party to vapid to understand name.
    Leave it 650b please.
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    650b seems to be what people are calling it around here (North shore). I vote leave it alone.

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    Makes more sense. New to the sport riders have 26 and 29ers . 27.7 is easier to explain.

    Plus Giant specified that all the tires they buy say 27.5.....

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    To me 650b sounds a lot better than 27.5

    Don't really care what they call it though.

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    I think it is a bad idea to remove 650B as having both in the name will kinda clarify what 650B is to someone who doesn't know etc (being the same as 27.5).

    Plus 650B is way nicer to say.

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    In another thread, I got talked into simply: 27". Not on the theory that they measure 27" with the tire mounted ( they don't; 27.5" holds consistently with different rims, tires and tire sizes), but because so called 26" wheels are also closer to 26.5" but called 26" for the sake of simplicity, so why not use the same abbreviation for the tweener? 26, 27, and 29 is internally consistent and simple & still illustrative of "small", "medium" and "large" wheels. Decimal not only inelegant and cumbersome, but inaccurately puts the tweener wheel in the exact middle of the three nominal sizes. As various OCD math geeks and engineers have so often, insistently (and pointlessly) argued over and over in this and other forums, the tweener wheel really IS closer to (so called) 26 than 29 and is NOT EXACTLY in the middle, for whatever that fact is worth in actual performance.

    27", though used by Scott, is a losing argument, I admit, so it looks like 27.5" is the best compromise and pretty much a fait accompli & used by most bike and component companies anyway.

    Gotta admit, too, whatever designation is used is a triviality not worth getting panties in a bunch. Unless you have an entire run of frames, forks, tires or rims already produced with one or an other label already painted, decaled, clear coated, imprinted or embossed. The public will figure it out whichever. "In between" not a difficult concept to understand and all that is necessary to convey. From there, you can market Goldilocks, happy medium, perfect balance, best of both or whatever, and the haters can retreat to their caves and stew about how much they actually suck in comparison to whatever wheels cooler, better, and smarter riders ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hill-Pumper View Post
    It's currently called the 650b/ 27.5 forum, is there something wrong with continuing to use both for now?
    +1 I think it will be easier for folks new to the sport to search for info and get up to speed if it keeps it's current moniker.

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    No good Why Why Why?

    Why try to change the wheel? 650B is 650B!



    Why are People saying that they DO NOT make or sale 650B? when 27.1's (27.5") are all 650B

    650B are a good size for Cycle Touring and Small People (under 5 foot)

    O' and to sale more Bicycles

    Just waiting for 24" Mountain Bikes to come back

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    Maybe reverse the name to 27.5/650b? I also think keeping both for now is a good idea.

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    [QUOTE=Hill-Pumper;10717997 is there something wrong with continuing to use both for now?[/QUOTE]

    It strains the mtbr servers a bit too much.
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    Man...I just replaced my "29ers 4 Life" face tattoo with "650b 4 Life"....crap...now I will have to get that removed. Also, the "650b Life" giant rear window sticker on my car will need to get replaced. Sheesh.
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    With the trend for most bike companies switching to mostly 27.5/650b frames, maybe the discussion should be about losing this forum altogether and starting a 26er forum for those of us holding onto our dinosaurs.

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    Whether it is 650B or 27.5 please don't add er to the end. I can not stand it when people say "26er"...that is goofy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigrocks View Post
    Whether it is 650B or 27.5 please don't add er to the end. I can not stand it when people say "26er"...that is goofy.
    +1

    I still like 650B the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    In another thread, I got talked into simply: 27". Not on the theory that they measure 27" with the tire mounted ( they don't; 27.5" holds consistently with different rims, tires and tire sizes), but because so called 26" wheels are also closer to 26.5" but called 26" for the sake of simplicity, so why not use the same abbreviation for the tweener? 26, 27, and 29 is internally consistent and simple & still illustrative of "small", "medium" and "large" wheels. Decimal not only inelegant and cumbersome, but inaccurately puts the tweener wheel in the exact middle of the three nominal sizes. As various OCD math geeks and engineers have so often, insistently (and pointlessly) argued over and over in this and other forums, the tweener wheel really IS closer to (so called) 26 than 29 and is NOT EXACTLY in the middle, for whatever that fact is worth in actual performance.

    27", though used by Scott, is a losing argument, I admit, so it looks like 27.5" is the best compromise and pretty much a fait accompli & used by most bike and component companies anyway.
    27" is already a wheel size, and has been for decades. In fact, an old 27" wheel is slightly larger than a 28"/700c wheel.

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    Yo B, Keep it 650b, B!

    27.5 is for rednecks and imperialists who cant/wont rekanize the metric system.

    26er and 29ers can keep their inch standards. We who ride 650b are special and have the right to rub it in everyone’s faces. We are the music makers, the trend-setters and innovators and we have every right not to conform. Oh and while we are at it can we please start measuring mtb components in grams, not more of this oz and pounds nonsense!

    Truth b told I call them 275 every now and then, it’s the dumbed down version of 650b. Please don’t dumb things down for the simpletons. They will both be around for a while, alas in the end I fear 275 will win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    ...and more Euro, which has to count for something.
    Only if your are a roadie.
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    I am just so over the Imperial system...

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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    It strains the mtbr servers a bit too much.
    Dopey me, what was I thinking? I'll have to come clean, I want to keep the 650B term around for selfish reasons. I own a Norco Killer B which of course refers to the 650B. Killer B sounds cool and mean. Killer 27.5, well ......not so cool and mean.

    Now for a crazy idea. How about having both, a 650B AND 27.5 forum. I know this will cause more strain on the server, but MTBR can double up on advertising space because of the confusion.

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    Changing the name of the forum to 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by john.b View Post
    27" is already a wheel size, and has been for decades. In fact, an old 27" wheel is slightly larger than a 28"/700c wheel.
    For that matter, 650b is also an existing size and has been for decades.

    Therefore, 27.5 it is, as the most accurate number not already taken by some other application
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    For that matter, 650b is also an existing size and has been for decades.
    But aren't the "new" 650b and "old" 650b sizes the same: 584 mm BSD? <shrug>

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    Changing the name of the forum to 27.5

    In my opinion, Cousin Oliver, was just added to this forum to try and extend its life.
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    Leave it the way it is until the marketplace finally figures out what they want to call it.

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    Why isn't there a 26" forum?

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    This change kinda make sense on a mountain bike forum, but keep in mind that there are 650b bikes that are nowhere near 27,5" (touring bikes etc).

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    Changing the name of the forum to 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by bob_m View Post
    Why isn't there a 26" forum?
    It's called All Mountain? Or AM/26?
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    Changing the name of the forum to 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by john.b View Post
    But aren't the "new" 650b and "old" 650b sizes the same: 584 mm BSD? <shrug>
    Suppose so. All that matters is that the rims and tires are interchangeable whatever a company calls the size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    It's called All Mountain? Or AM/26?
    Really, are all 26" bikes considered all mountain?

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    Really does no matter to me,I use both and all I care about is the ride!

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    Changing the name of the forum to 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by bob_m View Post
    Really, are all 26" bikes considered all mountain?
    No. I was trying a funny, the point being that the riders who post in the AM forum appear to be majority 26" die hards. Wheel qualities such as stiff, light, and nimble trump stable and superior rollover for their preferred fast, technical and getting air riding style. Being able to clean difficult terrain downhill, sideways and uphill, without needing the "crutch" of better rolling wheels is a point of honor. Finally, when threads predicting the ultimate demise of 26" in favor of 27.5" and 29"wheels crop up, the AM forum people go ballistic.
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    Leave it as 650b because that's what they've always been WAY before they became mainstream.
    Don't have to change stuff just for the sake of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binrat View Post
    Keep 650b. I think only a certain country in North America calls em 27.5.
    Just like "soccer" !! The rest of the world calls it football

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    It's like when mtbr changed to the new/current format a year or three ago; all hell broke loose....for about 4 days. I figure a sub-forum name change is very minor relatively speaking.

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    Am I too assume that this is no longer the forum to talk about 69ers, 36ers and other alternative wheel sizes?

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    Alex I will take 27.5 for 200

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    I see the name has changed. Don't mean to be rude but that is a stupid idea simply because it breaks links and bookmarks.

    *edit*
    Unless I have this wrong? I got a dead link but it appears to be working now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sil3nt View Post
    I see the name has changed. Don't mean to be rude but that is a stupid idea simply because it breaks links and bookmarks.

    *edit*
    Unless I have this wrong? I got a dead link but it appears to be working now.
    They just changed it by putting the 27.5 first, then the 650B. The cool thing is that now it puts the 27.5/650 forum on top of the 29er forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hill-Pumper View Post
    They just changed it by putting the 27.5 first, then the 650B. The cool thing is that now it puts the 27.5/650 forum on top of the 29er forums.
    Changed back already so no longer on top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IDysterDimma View Post
    Changed back already so no longer on top.
    It should be on top of 29er

    It's kind of flaky right now since there's a couple servers that are fighting with each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    It should be on top of 29er

    It's kind of flaky right now since there's a couple servers that are fighting with each other.

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    Evidently you have a pro 29er server that does not want to admit that the 27.5/650B should be on top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hill-Pumper View Post
    Evidently you have a pro 29er server that does not want to admit that the 27.5/650B should be on top.
    Ha, ha, ha... resistance is futile.

    I love my 29ers but every time I get on a 27.5 I have a bigger smile.

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    Re: 650b links and bookmarks

    Looks like this a case of fixing something that wasn't broken and now it's broken...

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Ha, ha, ha... resistance is futile.

    I love my 29ers but every time I get on a 27.5 I have a bigger smile.

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    Exactly...

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    Changing the name of the forum to 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Ha, ha, ha... resistance is futile.

    I love my 29ers but every time I get on a 27.5 I have a bigger smile.

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    Last year and the year before, literally every mt biker and LBS employee where I live thought I was looney tunes with my 27.5's, throwing every cliche we've heard over and over in these forums at me. Now I'm looking like a visionary, particularly with the Giant and Santa Cruz dealers. The Spesh dealer still thinks I'm a putz. We'll see how long that attitude lasts.

    I do usually ride my 29'er when I ride with others on theirs, but when I go out solo, I always pick the 27.5 trail bike. There are a few situations where it does not perform as well as the Tall Boy, but those are outweighed by the many more situations where it is simply more playful and fun.
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    With the name change, there's still a broken link the forum menu at the top of each page pointing to the old name.

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    Just a case of changing something for the sake of changing something. It has caused issues and achieved absolutely nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    +1

    Last year and the year before, literally every mt biker and LBS employee where I live thought I was looney tunes with my 27.5's, throwing every cliche we've heard over and over in these forums at me. Now I'm looking like a visionary, particularly with the Giant and Santa Cruz dealers. The Spesh dealer still thinks I'm a putz. We'll see how long that attitude lasts.

    I do usually ride my 29'er when I ride with others on theirs, but when I go out solo, I always pick the 27.5 trail bike. There are a few situations where it does not perform as well as the Tall Boy, but those are outweighed by the many more situations where it is simply more playful and fun.
    hehe oh I'm no longer sold on 29ers. I still like my 29er HT but I prefer the small wheels for a number of reasons.

    The thing that impressed me most about 27.5...is how the wheels felt "invisible"...that is really key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    +1

    Last year and the year before, literally every mt biker and LBS employee where I live thought I was looney tunes with my 27.5's, throwing every cliche we've heard over and over in these forums at me. Now I'm looking like a visionary, particularly with the Giant and Santa Cruz dealers. The Spesh dealer still thinks I'm a putz. We'll see how long that attitude lasts.

    I do usually ride my 29'er when I ride with others on theirs, but when I go out solo, I always pick the 27.5 trail bike. There are a few situations where it does not perform as well as the Tall Boy, but those are outweighed by the many more situations where it is simply more playful and fun.
    Best to take opinions of LBS employees with a grain of salt or two … or three. Often they are no better than car salesmen – Local Bull S#!t artists with profit motive gleaming ever so brightly in their eyes. Though a few are very helpful indeed, them I salute!

    No surprise with Specialized, they look like greedy corporate lemmings herders carefully calculating the most safe and profitable route. 650b is too much of a risk for them for now. Gotta give them kudos for the Enduro 29er though.

    The benefits of 650b are not to be denied, my Bronson proves this to me every time I ride. Having said that I am currently salivating over 29er XC and fat bikes. Probably just a case of wanting what you don’t have, the grass is always greener on the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmonooit View Post
    I am just so over the Imperial system...
    Same with the ROW!

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    gotta sell stuff!

    Quote Originally Posted by sil3nt View Post
    Just a case of changing something for the sake of changing something. It has caused issues and achieved absolutely nothing.
    It achieves the desired cohesion within bike company marketing departments, which are what keep the money coming in to mtbr and the food on Francis' table.
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    I could be wrong, but in 5 years, I predict that we will never/rarely hear the industry use the term "650b".

    So, lets get it over with and just call it 27.5 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Ha, ha, ha... resistance is futile.

    I love my 29ers but every time I get on a 27.5 I have a bigger smile.

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    Hmmmm ... pronouncing "SixFifftyBeee" versus "TwentySevenPointFive" ... I still prefer First for the Sake of sounding a lot cooler, regardless of Market or a Forumsname.

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    The 650b wheel size has been around for decades, just not on MTB's. I'm pretty sure it's been called 650b the whole time. I can't believe this is being talked about like it's some great new revelation. Go ride and stop debating!
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    In all actuality a 650b is NOT halfway between a 26 and 29.
    650b is closer to a 26" wheel. Here's a quote from dear ole'
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    "They are trying to get people to call it "27 five." I strongly urge readers to resist this foolish jargon, and to use either the traditional "650B" designation, or, better yet, the internationally-standardized "584 mm" designation"

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    Please keep 650B
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Hmmmm ... pronouncing "SixFifftyBeee" versus "TwentySevenPointFive" ... I still prefer First for the Sake of sounding a lot cooler, regardless of Market or a Forumsname.
    Drop the "point" part like everyone else. Flows much better that way ")

    ie TwentySevenFive

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    Drop the "point" part like everyone else. Flows much better that way ")

    ie TwentySevenFive
    Well, it may sound better this Way, but:

    Quote Originally Posted by StJoeRider View Post
    In all actuality a 650b is NOT halfway between a 26 and 29.
    650b is closer to a 26" wheel. Here's a quote from dear ole'
    Sheldon himself:
    "They are trying to get people to call it "27 five." I strongly urge readers to resist this foolish jargon, and to use either the traditional "650B" designation, or, better yet, the internationally-standardized "584 mm" designation"
    27.5 suggests a right-in-the-Middle Wheelsize, which it is not. We all know it, but remember all this "boring" or "lame" Threads here to the next Hype of the 27.4 or 28.635471 Tire-Size ... somehow missleading and a Mix of incorrect Numbers due to outer Tire-Diameters in Inch, same as 29er, if you ask me.
    650B may sound unfancy, but is simply the accurate Term. In the End I don´t really care, but would personally stick to this to avoid confusion.

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    27b

    Nicole Formosa, Managing Editor of Bike Magazine, interviewed me recently and coined the phrase "27B"... I could live with that. But I am pretty certain the industry will settle on 275.

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    I suppose an argument can be made that 27.5 could mean tire size, not rim size, and that could perhaps make asking about and purchasing a tire easier. I also suppose that the traditional 650b term could then be used to describe the equivalent road tire. IMO, there is nothing wrong with either term and I think it best if everyone on 2 wheels could just get along. I'm just ok with 27B, but only because it gets KP's vote. I do hope though that we will begin to limit possible terms to a reasonable number, we're not eskimos describing snow for cryin' out loud.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Changing the name of the forum to 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by StJoeRider View Post
    In all actuality a 650b is NOT halfway between a 26 and 29.
    650b is closer to a 26" wheel. Here's a quote from dear ole'
    Sheldon himself:

    "They are trying to get people to call it "27 five." I strongly urge readers to resist this foolish jargon, and to use either the traditional "650B" designation, or, better yet, the internationally-standardized "584 mm" designation"
    A lot of apples and oranges get mixed up when we discuss wheel size. Are we describing rim size, tire size, or tire mounted on rim size? Another reason so called 27.5" wheels are not exactly half way in between 26" and 29" wheels, as simple math suggests , is because most wheels with tires mounted designated as 26" measure greater than 26" in diameter, closer to 26.25" or even 26.5". So with the 27.5" and 29" wheels measuring consistently according to their label, 27.5" is closer to 26", and while factually in between the two standard sizes, is not "exactly" half way in between. Of course, what real world difference does such hair splitting make? None.

    Best course for consumer, if they have the resources, is to demo all wheel sizes, on bikes with similar suspension and geo, in the same terrain.
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