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    Long as more new bikes keep coming I could really care less
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    This excerpt from Bicycling Magazine explains much

    Can we just call it 27.5?-imageuploadedbytapatalk1353078990.150093.jpg


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    My new 2.35" NN tires measure 28" tall or maybe just a ball hair under 1/2" taller than my Neo Moto's.

    I think I would really call that 1/2 way between the 2 sizes now Still might not be enough to shut up the nay sayers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    my new 2.35" nn tires measure 28" tall or maybe just a ball hair under :d 1/2" taller than my neo moto's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LowOnO2 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Schwalbe Nobby Nicks
    The sign of a veteran around here - RR, NN, RoRo are all clear as day...

    They effed up a good naming scheme with Hans Dampf though. Should have been some Hairy Hans of something.. I like my Muddy Mary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    TShould have been some Hairy Hans of something.. I like my Muddy Mary.
    Just don't mix the two though ... i would hate going to the LBS and ask to buy an Hairy Mary
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    Muddy Hans does not sound appealing either.

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    My Vote is 27.5 inch

    I own a bike shop and i am constantly having to explain 650B.
    27.5 inch is just easier to explain to someone who does not know.
    A customer walks in looking for a mtn bike, not sure what he is looking at.....
    "This is a 26 inch wheel, this is 650B wheel, and that is a 29 inch wheel".....
    "what is 650B" they say......
    "it is a 27.5 inch".....they look at me and say......."oh i see"
    If someone comes in and knows 650B...then no issue...and no questions.
    But these people are experienced in the world of cycling and need no explanation.
    27.5 assumes a particular size tire on a 650B rim...but so does 26 and 29....why split hairs.
    I sell Jamis who has been in the 650B world for 4years and again....i need to explain it a lot.

    Actually.......i like Tall, Grande, & Venti.........but i would probably have to explain that also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickt30 View Post
    I own a bike shop and i am constantly having to explain 650B.
    27.5 inch is just easier to explain to someone who does not know.
    A customer walks in looking for a mtn bike, not sure what he is looking at.....
    "This is a 26 inch wheel, this is 650B wheel, and that is a 29 inch wheel".....
    "what is 650B" they say......
    "it is a 27.5 inch".....they look at me and say......."oh i see"
    If someone comes in and knows 650B...then no issue...and no questions.
    But these people are experienced in the world of cycling and need no explanation.
    27.5 assumes a particular size tire on a 650B rim...but so does 26 and 29....why split hairs.
    I sell Jamis who has been in the 650B world for 4years and again....i need to explain it a lot.

    Actually.......i like Tall, Grande, & Venti.........but i would probably have to explain that also.
    My guess is that those of us who have been into 650b since 2008 or so will continue to call it 650b, and with manufacturers using 27.5 almost exclusively new arrivals will say 27.5. I'm not opposed to 27.5 but when I talk about it, I automatically say 650b...

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    can we agree that Scott calling it "27 inch" is crazy. I prefer 650B, and don't hate 27.5, but just 27 seems absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombinate View Post
    can we agree that Scott calling it "27 inch" is crazy. I prefer 650B, and don't hate 27.5, but just 27 seems absurd.
    Yes. And can we agree that Scott's marketing strategy is nuts as well?

    Let's see, their guy Nino Schurter wins the overall XC WC, receives an Olympic Silver medal, and then wins the World Championship on the revolutionary Scale 700. His success was a huge part of the 650b publicity avalanche which inundated the mtb market in spring and summer 2012.

    So what does Scott do? First, they DO NOT offer a production model of Nino's bike for sale to the public on either side of the Pond to scarf up like seagulls on French fries. Huh?

    Second, agreeing with the conventional wisdom that 5-6" travel is the sweet spot for the wheel size, they do come up with various Genius configurations that entice and excite the mtb public, then reportedly don't produce very many for the public to actually buy. Which is the manufacturing equivalent of cock teasing. F**k that noise.

    Third, they blindly don't jump in and fill a gaping void in the bike choices offered in the wheel size: 4" carbon XC bike. Nobody sells one. Therefore, a Spark 700 seems like it would be a no brainer that would immediately sell as well as the Genius would - that is if they actually produced either bike in quantity for retail sale anywhere on the planet.

    WTF? is all I can say.

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    ... and if we just ...

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    Third, they blindly don't jump in and fill a gaping void in the bike choices offered in the wheel size: 4" carbon XC bike. Nobody sells one.
    You never learn my friend. Why would anyone want a short travel XC 27,5 bicycle and not a 29er? Don't even start this hogwash about upside down stem problem concerning Nino. Other manufacturers have racer far shorter than Nino excelling on 29ers.

    How exactly 27,5 would outperform a 29er in XC field? We might as well say that 26 outperfoms a 29er in XC, which is now far from truth. You still believe in magic that all goodness like traction, lower centre of gravity ends with 584mm rim and no more goodness can be felt from even a bigger 622mm rim?

    Why anyone would like to take a step back wards (from a 29er 38mm to 584mm) more than a step forwards from a 26er (25mm to 584mm rim).
    Either you'are a deaf fanatic or you're paid for advertizing 584mm rim. Don't repeat your story how you caught a deal on your 650b trike. It is especially so when so push on XC right after 559mm has been deemed as slow for XC and less racers racer it. Out of the blue just a 25mm bigger rim is hugely faster and 29ers are slower as well. I believe in math, you in illusoire sect-like marketing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Yes. And can we agree that Scott's marketing strategy is nuts as well?

    Let's see, their guy Nino Schurter wins the overall XC WC, receives an Olympic Silver medal, and then wins the World Championship on the revolutionary Scale 700. His success was a huge part of the 650b publicity avalanche which inundated the mtb market in spring and summer 2012.

    So what does Scott do? First, they DO NOT offer a production model of Nino's bike for sale to the public on either side of the Pond to scarf up like seagulls on French fries. Huh?

    Second, agreeing with the conventional wisdom that 5-6" travel is the sweet spot for the wheel size, they do come up with various Genius configurations that entice and excite the mtb public, then reportedly don't produce very many for the public to actually buy. Which is the manufacturing equivalent of cock teasing. F**k that noise.

    Third, they blindly don't jump in and fill a gaping void in the bike choices offered in the wheel size: 4" carbon XC bike. Nobody sells one. Therefore, a Spark 700 seems like it would be a no brainer that would immediately sell as well as the Genius would - that is if they actually produced either bike in quantity for retail sale anywhere on the planet.

    WTF? is all I can say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    You never learn my friend. Why would anyone want a short travel XC 27,5 bicycle and not a 29er? Don't even start this hogwash about upside down stem problem concerning Nino. Other manufacturers have racer far shorter than Nino excelling on 29ers.

    How exactly 27,5 would outperform a 29er in XC field? We might as well say that 26 outperfoms a 29er in XC, which is now far from truth. You still believe in magic that all goodness like traction, lower centre of gravity ends with 584mm rim and no more goodness can be felt from even a bigger 622mm rim?

    Why anyone would like to take a step back wards (from a 29er 38mm to 584mm) more than a step forwards from a 26er (25mm to 584mm rim).
    Either you'are a deaf fanatic or you're paid for advertizing 584mm rim. Don't repeat your story how you caught a deal on your 650b trike. It is especially so when so push on XC right after 559mm has been deemed as slow for XC and less racers racer it. Out of the blue just a 25mm bigger rim is hugely faster and 29ers are slower as well. I believe in math, you in illusoire sect-like marketing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    You never learn my friend.
    Look. A village idiot is back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Look. A village idiot is back.
    Who keeps pos repping him? After my neg rep (and a kind request to leave and never come back) he was down to two chiclets yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Look. A village idiot is back.
    I consider him like that really dumb friend that we love to hear because he's funny but no one takes him serious since he never says anything meaningful or coherent. Just laugh it off and keep him talking to himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    You never learn my friend. Why would anyone want a short travel XC 27,5 bicycle and not a 29er? Don't even start this hogwash about upside down stem problem concerning Nino. Other manufacturers have racer far shorter than Nino excelling on 29ers.
    ........
    I want a XC 650B with shorter travel... 4 or 4.5" would be great...

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    Maybe call it a 28er. Then people with 29er envy won't feel so bad?

    "b" sounds more like a bra size. What's a 29er a "D"

    Who cares about 1/2 an inch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Who keeps pos repping him? After my neg rep (and a kind request to leave and never come back) he was down to two chiclets yesterday.
    AZ and a few misguided people who listen to AZ and think that it is funny.

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    We should really use ETRO standards- they make SO MUCH sense.

    559-26"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    You never learn my friend. Why would anyone want a short travel XC 27,5 bicycle and not a 29er? Don't even start this hogwash about upside down stem problem concerning Nino. Other manufacturers have racer far shorter than Nino excelling on 29ers.
    Yeah, look at Emily Batty who compromised her setup so much with a 15 inch Trek Superfly that in order to be able to be able to attack on climbs and keep the front end weighted, she promptly went over the bars on the olympic course during practice and broke several ribs on one of the rocky technical descents where a 29er should have shined. Oh wait... that just proves you're a moron and racers like Nino were right. As soon as Trek offers a 650B, Emily and other short racers will be on them.

    Also what short RACERS will actually ride doesn't matter to everyday trail riders.

    How exactly 27,5 would outperform a 29er in XC field?
    By beating them... which Nino did 11 times last year.

    Either you'are a deaf fanatic or you're paid for advertizing 584mm rim.
    Actually you're either a deaf moronic fanatic or paid advertiser for 622mm rims, so it all evens out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomllama View Post
    I want a XC 650B with shorter travel... 4 or 4.5" would be great...



    (even trolls need to eat ) LOLOLOL
    I have had one for 2 years...

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    Maybe just call it a Mtn bike?

    Just went for a ride yesterday with a guy whos just getting back into MTbing after a few years off. We meet at the house and loaded the bikes on his car. He commented "Oh nice,
    you have a 29' to that's what my rack is adjusted to fit."
    Since I wasn't really sure if he was a 29' fanatic or what I didn't correct him. My bike did indeed fit his rack perfectly and we hit the road. Latter at the top of a long climb we stopped to catch our breath and he asked me how I liked my 29'r. I explained at this point that it was actually a 650b. To which he replied "looks the same size as mine"
    So I lined my front tire up with his to show what I thought would be a obvious difference.
    Now it was my turn to be puzzled. There was hardly any diffrence in the height of the tires at all Latter in the parking lot we compared on the asphalt and could see a difference of about a quarter inch and certainly not more than a half inch!
    At this point I am sure Dave Copperfield is up in arms about apples to oranges and some silly math crap but my point is His Giant came with rr's and I have 2.3 Nevagals and these are the tires we ride on the same trails, So it is more of a real world comparison than all of DC's math rants.

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    If americans (and lets face it, it IS mostly the only people who never embraced the metric system who can't wrap their heads around calling tires/wheelsizes by metric or ISO numbers) can't bring themselves to say 650B, then they can do what canadians did 50 years ago. Call it 26 x 1 1/2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    27.5 should be left for 650a. Now that we have 650b forks and frames, we can hand sew and fit 650a tires in them.

    Just the last step to the perfect optimum.
    Seriously, this is a good idea. I'd love to try one and see how it rides.

    There is also a 597 standard, and while we're at it there is an old 630 or 635 standard for those who want to go bigger than 29er but not ridiculously bigger.

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    Hello, I would just like to say that I think that 584mm (what used to be called 26 1 1/2 or 650b) is best called 'DEAD' It was a size used on older European womens bikes that was replaced by the 590 (26 1 1/2) Now, some dickless wonder decided to resurrect this archaic size and call it a 27.5 to, perhaps, find a middle ground between 559 and 622. Well, if this genius did his math, he would have come up with 590 (590.5 to be precise) I can only hope that that the 584 mm size will fail as it is only a disservice to the cycling community.

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    Look chaps we need to agree on this.
    650b - Rubbish. It's inaccurate and French.
    27 and a half - Rubbish. It's inaccurate and English.

    What's needed is a truly American measuring system, so I have a modest proposal - fractions of a Cubit.

    Agreed? Good. Now all we have to do is determine the length of a Cubit. Let's turn to the web's pre-eminent repository of good scientific sense, Answers in Genesis.

    Culture Inches (centimeters)
    Hebrew (short) 17.5 (44.5)
    Egyptian 17.6 (44.7)
    Common (short) 18 (45.7)
    Babylonian (long) 19.8 (50.3)
    Hebrew (long) 20.4 (51.8)
    Egyptian (long) 20.6 (52.3)

    Well, that helps.

    Ok, I can see certain constituencies having a slight problem with the Egyptian and Babylonian Cubits. Which leaves the Common and Hebrew Cubit. How to decide?

    Fortunately the same scholarly article gives us the answer "The long cubit appears to be Godís preferred standard of measurement."
    If it's good enough for God it's good enough for me, the Long Hebrew cubit it is!

    Now we have to decide whether to measure the outer or bead seat diameter and here common sense dictates that only the BSD is accurate, so we'll go with that. This is a scientific proposal after all.

    Therefore I propose the following standards:-

    1.079150579 Cubits
    1.127413127 Cubits
    1.200772201 Cubits

    I myself ride a 1.079150579er

    Happy trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuffink View Post
    It's inaccurate and French.
    Tautology

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    584 is stupid

    Thank you for providing some levity to the subject however in an age where we should be looking forward, decreasing waste and designing things more intelligently, 584 is a big step backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzkriegBike View Post
    Hello, I would just like to say that I think that 584mm (what used to be called 26 1 1/2 or 650b) is best called 'DEAD' It was a size used on older European womens bikes that was replaced by the 590 (26 1 1/2) Now, some dickless wonder decided to resurrect this archaic size and call it a 27.5 to, perhaps, find a middle ground between 559 and 622. Well, if this genius did his math, he would have come up with 590 (590.5 to be precise) I can only hope that that the 584 mm size will fail as it is only a disservice to the cycling community.
    Classic troll!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzkriegBike View Post
    Thank you for providing some levity to the subject however in an age where we should be looking forward, decreasing waste and designing things more intelligently, 584 is a big step backwards.
    Looks like Davey-cop-a feel got a new account. 2 post both to this thread for a new user? Amateur Troll welcome to the 650b forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msimmons View Post
    Classic troll!
    With extra dumbass on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by carverboy View Post
    Looks like Davey-cop-a feel got a new account. 2 post both to this thread for a new user? Amateur Troll welcome to the 650b forum.

    Honestly, I don't remember groping your sister....

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    I really like the idea of calling a mountain bike a "bike" or "mountain bike". The whole marketing/ labeling thing takes away what from what I want my lifestyle to be, from what I consider the sport to be.

    I own a truck too. I call it a truck. It's pretty cool, all black, leather seats and some bad-a$$ 22's on it. I don't call it a 22'r. And I definitely don't call it a 55.8'r. Just saying.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bugaroo View Post
    I really like the idea of calling a mountain bike a "bike" or "mountain bike". The whole marketing/ labeling thing takes away what from what I want my lifestyle to be, from what I consider the sport to be.

    I own a truck too. I call it a truck. It's pretty cool, all black, leather seats and some bad-a$$ 22's on it. I don't call it a 22'r. And I definitely don't call it a 55.8'r. Just saying.....
    You and your laid back, open minded attitude.......GAAWD!
    There's no place for that in our sport

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    LOL.....heaven forbid we don't have something to argue about. Now I'm depressed! I'm going to have to log off my 13 inch laptop and go drink a 12oz soda and watch my 50 in TV until my 6ft wife comes home and cooks me a 12oz steak while I drink a 6oz, no make that a 750ml bottle of, bottle of wine.

    I'd like to buy a bike. What kind or riding do you primarily? Mostly trail and rocky technical stuff. Oh, so you're a 650'r? No. I only weigh about 200#.
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    Gezzus piss ****, I just registered on this ****ing forum hoping to discuss important shit and all it seems is that people just want to kiss the ass of the industry and embrace any crap they pump out. I hope you're all happy to fondle genitalia in the golden fields and lick the balls of free market liberalism only to have your buttholes plugged by consumate waste and to sniff the shit that backs up in your trachea. ..... did I violate any rules by posting this? Is frowned upon to be angry? .... heavens forbid someone rocks the boat

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    Oh my, i cant say c*nt or c*nting????

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    "B-bike" flows off the tongue like "29er". "27.5" has too many syllables, and no flow to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzkriegBike View Post
    did I violate any rules by posting this? Is frowned upon to be angry?
    Yes and yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzkriegBike View Post
    Oh my, i cant say c*nt or c*nting????
    Why can't you say сunt?

    I think it is because of the rules violations and anger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    "B-bike" flows off the tongue like "29er". "27.5" has too many syllables, and no flow to it.
    That's good. I like it.

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    Can we just call it 27.5?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzkriegBike View Post
    Oh my, i cant say c*nt or c*nting????
    The word has a different meaning in UK English than USA English.
    Old enough to know better. And old enough not to care. Best age to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    The word has a different meaning in UK English than USA English.
    Does it? (Pardon me, neither is my native language). What is the difference?

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    Soon enough, no designation required. 8]
    Just as with 29er, 26er is creeping in. Let us not complicate matters any further.

    Stamp it.
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