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    Best "trail" 650b tire

    I just got a Santa Cruz solo trail bike. Love the bike but not a big fan of Maxiss High Roller tires. Mud sticks to them like a magnet and I don't really like the feel of them.
    I am gonna wear them out before I get a new set but I am wondering what would be a good "all around" tire for my style. I ride a mix of dirt single track and granite rock-covered trails.
    Would like something with a nice tread pattern, isn't too heavy and for a decent price. Any recommendations?

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    I've had good luck with anything from Schwable, especially the Rocket Rons with snakeskin. Not the cheapest but great tire. I use them for XC single track with a decent amount of technical rocky areas here in NEB and southern MO.

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    I have a Solo and use Pacenti (now Panaracer I believe) Neo Moto's 2.3. They grip as well as any tire I've had and aren't too bad with rolling resistance. I'm picky with tires and these are my favorite tire (of any size). Although the last set I have worn out quicker than normal (have the HRII on rear b/c of this and they have noticeably less grip).

    My experience is from midwest terrain -- dusty to rocky/rooty singletrack.

    In my experience, everyone has their favorite and mine may not be yours but if you are on the hunt for a new tire, the Neo Moto is worth a shot, IMO.
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    I've enjoyed the Racing Ralph's, they were a great tire, EVO Pacestars, but the new Crossmark EXC's I am running right now are about the same weight with similar rolling characteristics but more grip, really digging them. If they ever start selling the Ikon here in the states I may buy one to try.
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    Maxxis is coming out with their 27.5" Minion DHF tires; get those. They shed mud quite well, and are an amazing all around tire. If you need something now, maybe look at Hans Dampf or Conti Trail King.

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    I find the Maxxis Ardent sheds mud quite well and rolls better than High Rollers. Only down side is the smaller intermediate knobs, which I don't mind as it makes you corner properly IMHO (forces you to lean the bike over to get the bigger knobs to bite).

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    I have to second the Ardent. I'm also a fan of the Conti Mountain King. Both good tires, but I'd give the nod to the Ardent.

    Also, I'd avoid, like the plague, Racing Ralphs on a trail bike. The RaRa is a good tire if you're racing on buff single track and want a light tire with decent grip, but every time I've gotten into rocks with a RaRa, it's been a disaster. Light weight tires need to be held back for racing, it's not going to be satisfactory on a trail bike.

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    I've used Neo Moto's 2.3 exclusively and they are perfect for the NorCal trails....rocky, mud, sand and roots

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    Continental Trail Kings - great all around trail tire. I've used them from AZ and UT to the PNW summer/winter where I live. They run wide so get the 2.2" width unless you like big rubber.
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    I can't say enough good things about my NeoMoto up front. It has lasted and lasted, with great grip, roll, and cornering. I would also consider NobNic, HansD up front, but I'll probably get another NeoMoto. From wet and slick, to dry and loose, it has never slipped out on me.

    NeoMoto, NobNic, RocRon, RaceRalph in back, depending on conditions, but I want something fast rolling in the back most of the time.

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    Thanks for the $.02, guys.

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    You can get the trail kings from bike bling for $49. Jenson will match that and you get free shipping.

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    I like the 2.35 Nobby Nics with snakeskin. Great grip in all conditions, roll pretty well, not too heavy, and they have a very high-volume casing.

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    Ardent up front, Nobby Nic in the back for trail set up. For racing I run a big Ikon up front with either a Nobby Nic or Racing Ralph in the back depending on the conditions. The Racing Ralph though is an expensive tire with a short life.
    With Maxxis I get the EXO casing and Schwalbe I go with Snakeskin trailstar.
    I also like Conti Mountain Kings as rear tires for trail rides or X-Kings for going fast in more buff/race conditions (protection models).
    Tubeless, around 25 up front and 27 in back.

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    I was thinking about trying a Mountain King up front and an X-King in the rear, both 2.4" protection models. Anyone have experience with these?

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    Trail and Mountain Kings, Schwalbe Hans Damph and Nobby Nics. IMHO thee best tires I've ever had, with the edge going to the Contis. They don't wear as fast and give me a more confident feeling traction-wise. The NNs seems to wear faster than most other tires I've had too. But I like trying out new tires so the next set will be the Contis. I'll have to check the sites since they just came out for 27.5. Conti's for $49 is a great price.
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    +1 NN are the best as far as weight, grip, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    I like the 2.35 Nobby Nics with snakeskin. Great grip in all conditions, roll pretty well, not too heavy, and they have a very high-volume casing.

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    2.35 Nobby Nics great tire!..

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    I ran Schwalbe for a long time on my 29'er and loved them, but the Racing Ralph 650b was a big disappointment!!!

    I've been riding "The B" now for almost 2 years so maybe it was an early example, but the compound was soft and wore out in no time. The side knobs seemed flimsier than the 29er and they got ripped up/off pretty bad in the "Desert Crushed Granite" we ride around NM.

    I went to the Pacenti Neo-moto's and won't look back. For our terrain and conditions these tires hook up, take a sidewall beating and last forever. I'm on my second set now on my Dale Rush B'er.... 2.3 up front and 2.1 in the back.

    I must say though, those Conti's look sweet!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    Continental Trail Kings - great all around trail tire. I've used them from AZ and UT to the PNW summer/winter where I live. They run wide so get the 2.2" width unless you like big rubber.
    Are the Conti's running big a fairly new thing? I had a few sets of conti's about 6-7 years ago and they ran really small back then. I had a couple of 2.4 mountain kings and they looked like 2.2's. Just asking because I did like the compound and grip/tread pattern of them, but I've got an HDR now, so I can't go too big.

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    Honey Badger is a really nice trail tire. Its looks are deceiving, it has tons of grip as a rear tire on leaves covered trails here in Mass. It is nice to have real side knobs after the Hans Dampf disaster, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    the Hans Dampf disaster...
    Was that similar to the Hindenberg disaster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by icecreamjay View Post
    Are the Conti's running big a fairly new thing? I had a few sets of conti's about 6-7 years ago and they ran really small back then. I had a couple of 2.4 mountain kings and they looked like 2.2's. Just asking because I did like the compound and grip/tread pattern of them, but I've got an HDR now, so I can't go too big.
    They redesigned most or all of their tires in the last couple years and the new ones seem to be much more true to size. Fresh out of the box my new Mountain King 2.4 measured 60mm (2.36") wide for both tread and casing, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it grow at least another mm after it's been sitting at pressure and ridden a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    Continental Trail Kings - great all around trail tire. I've used them from AZ and UT to the PNW summer/winter where I live. They run wide so get the 2.2" width unless you like big rubber.
    Can you post the measurements of your mounted TK 2.2? Looking for total height, casing width and knob width. Also, what rim you are using. Did you weigh them?
    Thanks

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    I was not aware there was so much of a variation in weight in these tires. The High Rollers are 875 grams. I imagine that extra weight means longer tread life though.

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    I run Nobby Nics and Rocket Rons as front tires. As someone mentioned above the RaRa's are not too good with rocks and roots as a rear tire.

    I also run a Hans Dampf in the rear of my Rocky Mountain.
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    I run a Nobby nic 2.2 front and Ardent rear. the ardent does tend to cake up with mud more than the Nobby nic tho.

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    Neo motos are really good tires for people who ride trails. They roll well, corner well, and last reasonably. I really like mine. Get the pressure right and they really cook. Too stiff and they like to slide a little.

    If you spend your time broing around and tying to out bro your bros, then go for a slow rolling dhf, which is certainly the ultimate in cornering and control.

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    Pacenti Neo-Moto is by far the best all-around trail tire that I have used. Great in all conditions and works for both front and rear use (i usually run the narrower 2.1 out back).

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    One word of caution about the Neo-Motos: While Pacenti is coming out with a tubeless-ready version, current Neo-Motos are not. I've read lots of reports of folks running them tubeless with no problems, but mine (2.3 front/2.1 rear) have wept sealant continuously and lose pressure quickly (like overnight). I finally got sick of adding sealant to the rear and threw a tube in.

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    Maxxis just released a new Ardent in a 27.5 x 2.4. They are EXO and tubeless ready and use a dual compound. Just received mine today. Claimed weight is 760 grams. Both of them came in under - one at 745 grams and the other at 750 grams. The knobs look bigger than the 2.25 version. Can't wait to get them mounted. I ordered from Bike Bling. Couldn't find them anywhere else yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icecreamjay View Post
    Are the Conti's running big a fairly new thing? I had a few sets of conti's about 6-7 years ago and they ran really small back then. I had a couple of 2.4 mountain kings and they looked like 2.2's. Just asking because I did like the compound and grip/tread pattern of them, but I've got an HDR now, so I can't go too big.
    Conti are just inconsistent throughout their range. The TrailKings are pretty big (2.4 is almost too big and heavy, while the 2.2 is perfect for a trail tire). Note that my experience is for the 26", UST and ProTection versions.

    I recently purchased a MountainKing 2.2 and it is very small...it looks like a 2.0. I wouldn't be surprised if the MK 2.4 is similar in size to the TK 2.2. I regret not going for the 2.4 version...as the 2.2 feels more like an old school XC tire than a modern trail tire.

    Inconsistencies in actual size vs claimed size between manufacturers is nothing new, but such differences between somewhat similar tires from a single manufacturer is very surprising (and lame).

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden boy View Post
    Pacenti is coming out with a tubeless-ready version....
    Correcting myself: Panaracer is taking over production of the Neo-Motos and their version will be tubeless ready.

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    Here's what I'd lean towards:

    - Dry Summer trail riding - Maxxis Ikon 2.35 exo rear, Maxxis Ardent 2.4 Exo Front.
    - Damp shoulder seasons - Ardent 2.4, Nobby Nic 2.35, Conti TK 2.2
    - Winter - High Rollers, Minion DHF, and TK's
    - Bike Park/DH Lite trails (think "enduro") - Minion DHF

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden boy View Post
    Correcting myself: Panaracer is taking over production of the Neo-Motos and their version will be tubeless ready.
    for a second there I thought you meant the opposite, and I was like "how is he going to make tires"?

    I love that the pacentis are made by panaracer (japan). They seem to have a higher quality to them than the chinese counterparts. In my opinion, anyways.

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    I've been a fan of the Neo Moto 2.1 rear / 2.3 front setup, although I've trashed a lot of 2.1 rears on sharp rocks. I like the Nevegal 2.35 a little better on the front when it's going to be wet, slippery, or the trails feature more smooth rock faces. They roll a touch slower and don't turn in quite as quickly as the Neo 2.3, and may not grip in loamy conditions quite as well...so it's a trade-off.
    I've just started running a Mavic Crossroc Roam 2.2 on the back and I'm LOVING it....it's not real fat (54mm casing, 58mm tread on a Flow, and 58/59mm on a Derby Wide Rim) so it fits well on my bike, rolls well, grips well climbing, corners superbly, and looks like it will be a really tough tire considering it's size and weight, which was just a little over 700 grams... i forget the exact number now, but less than 750. If you're carving smooth bermed dirt you can probably get away with a lighter tire of the same size....but for a moderate width tire that's going to get subjected to chunder, it's the best I've tried yet.
    I love the 26/2.2 Conti Trail King Protection, but haven't tried the 650b version yet.... can't see any reason why it won't be outstanding like the other sizes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    e Nevegal 2.35
    I like the Nevegal ONLY in the sense that it's a sticker compound, and therefore grips better in the wet. NMs grip better cornering, braking, and roll better....but I also have a set of nevegals.

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    [QUOTE=doismellbacon;10812989]I've been a fan of the Neo Moto 2.1 rear / 2.3 front setup, although I've trashed a lot of 2.1 rears on sharp rocks. I like the Nevegal 2.35 a little better on the front when it's going to be wet, slippery, or the trails feature more smooth rock faces. They roll a touch slower and don't turn in quite as quickly as the Neo 2.3, and may not grip in loamy conditions quite as well...so it's a trade-off.=QUOTE]
    Yep I feel same way Nevegal 2.3 up front replaced Neo 2.1 up front for me have a 2.1 Nevegal out back but will be looking for something a little faster rolling but still durable once it wears out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandwich View Post
    I like the Nevegal ONLY in the sense that it's a sticker compound, and therefore grips better in the wet. NMs grip better cornering, braking, and roll better....but I also have a set of nevegals.
    I agree, except that I would add that the Neo's have been more puncture-prone than Nevegals, and I've found the Nevegals to grip better on smooth limestone as well, which is prominent in Austin. If I were still living in MidPen Bay Area I'd be happy as a clam with Neo's front and rear...they really are GREAT tires.

    I do NOT like the 2.1 Nevegal, front rear or otherwise.

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    I have experience with WTB vigilantes. I tore a sidewall in the rear within a hundred miles. They are a good tire in terms of handling and weight but I wouldn't,'t recommend for rocky trails. I am currently running a bontrager xr3 in place of the WTB vigilante.
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    The vigilante is my favorite front tire so far. Great cornering grip, very predictable and forgiving. When it starts to slide, you get plenty of notice and recovers easily. I though about trying them on the rear but they're just too slow for that. Neo's on the back for me until I find something that rolls better like perhaps the Schwalbe Rock Razor or Crossroc roam.

    Bacon: how do you think the rolling resistance of the Mavic roam compares with that of the Neos?

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    Best "trail" 650b tire

    I think they're pretty similar but it's been 6 mos since I had a Neo on the back of my bike, so I haven't done a direct back to back comparison. They are pretty similar to the Racing Ralph SS that they replaced in terms of rolling resistance, but much better in every other way...well except weight I guess.

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    I run NN 2.35 frt and 2.25 rear. Great tires except I keep slicing sidewalls on the rear. Are the NN considered fast rolling tires? I might have to try somethign new in the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudBike View Post
    Can you post the measurements of your mounted TK 2.2? Looking for total height, casing width and knob width. Also, what rim you are using. Did you weigh them?
    Thanks
    I'm also curious about the width of the TK 2.2. I was planning to get a 2.4 for the front and 2.2 for the rear, but if they truly run that wide I may just get a pair of 2.2's. Thanks!

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    Re: Best "trail" 650b tire

    Am I the only one that hates the Nobby Nic as a front tire? There's a dead spot in the tread between the center knobs and side knobs that lets the tire slide out until it gets on the side knobs and digs in. I replaced my front NN with a Hans Dampf and its nite & day difference.

    For the record I do like it as a rear tire.
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    Love the non in front . I'm sure it depends on terrain. And having a bike that handles well to begin with

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    Re: Best "trail" 650b tire

    Quote Originally Posted by aarontriton View Post
    Love the nn in front . I'm sure it depends on terrain. And having a bike that handles well to begin with

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    Don't like the No No 2.35 Evo as a front tire. The angled edge tread is too soft and squirm.IMHO even the 2.25 HD is better[ better tahn a Neo 2.3 as well]the performance version of the No Ni are night and day better than the EVO version.
    They are a dual compound tire and I prefer a firmer compound on the edge of the No Ni with it's angled small edge blocks which IMHO don't suit the softer triple Pacestar compound. The performance look[ even down to the grey bead edge] and feel like the older Evolution tires pre Triple compound Evolution series.{ 2011?] Compound still feels much softer than the harder compounds like on Neo's but firms up the edge of the No Ni nicely. Feels much more planted in corners.

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    Anyone looking to try something different. The Geax Goma is worth a look, especially as a rear.
    The GOMA 2.25 and,without even stretching it for a couple of days, it has same casing width, edge to edge ,as the No Ni 2.35 Evo and HD 2.25, at approx 155mm. On a crest the casing and tread is 57mm wide on a P35 58mm. It has a lower tread height then the HD and No Ni 2.35 so overall it's probably 1mm lower?

    I got this tire as it liiked like an ideal Enduro rear tire. On my bike it's too tall to use as a rear so I gave it a spin on the front. Impressions are it's a quick tire. On the smooth ride to the trail head it easily felt faster than a No Ni 2.35 perforamnce i did back to back tests with. As a rear it would be much faster than something like a Neo 2.3.Low flat soft treads are ideal for gripping wet tree roots as a rear tire.

    It's got a lowish tread [4mm] and roundish profile so you'd have to choose your conditions to use it as a front. It has 50A soft tread but the blocks are large and low so you need a bit of speed or weight to see much flex in the edge tread. So rocky or harder terrain for a heavier rider would be ideal. Should wear well for a soft compound tire on the rear.The 2.4 should have wider tread so would be the pick for the front. Still I ran it on loose over hard and didn't get it to break free. It's tempting to use it as a Trail front tire as it pretty quick. As the edge tread is low and doesn't overhang the casing I dropped the pressure more than i normally would without getting squirm . Further adds to the grip . The rounder profile did tend quicken the steering and add a bit of wheel flop at lower speeds.

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    My LBS is pushing me toward the new Rock Razor rather than stock Hi Roller II for my new Solo/5010, but I'm in southern Cal, trails dry as a bone. Don't know how they'd work in mud, but interesting tread. 27.5X2.35, Pacestar, Snakeskin, tubeless ready, 695g. LBS owner has them on his Bronson, raves about them. Was considering Pacenti/Panaracer line (Neo, Quasi) but Panaracer emailed me that tubeless ready versions won't be out til late summer earliest.

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