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    Best "trail" 650b tire

    I just got a Santa Cruz solo trail bike. Love the bike but not a big fan of Maxiss High Roller tires. Mud sticks to them like a magnet and I don't really like the feel of them.
    I am gonna wear them out before I get a new set but I am wondering what would be a good "all around" tire for my style. I ride a mix of dirt single track and granite rock-covered trails.
    Would like something with a nice tread pattern, isn't too heavy and for a decent price. Any recommendations?

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    I've had good luck with anything from Schwable, especially the Rocket Rons with snakeskin. Not the cheapest but great tire. I use them for XC single track with a decent amount of technical rocky areas here in NEB and southern MO.

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    I have a Solo and use Pacenti (now Panaracer I believe) Neo Moto's 2.3. They grip as well as any tire I've had and aren't too bad with rolling resistance. I'm picky with tires and these are my favorite tire (of any size). Although the last set I have worn out quicker than normal (have the HRII on rear b/c of this and they have noticeably less grip).

    My experience is from midwest terrain -- dusty to rocky/rooty singletrack.

    In my experience, everyone has their favorite and mine may not be yours but if you are on the hunt for a new tire, the Neo Moto is worth a shot, IMO.
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    I've enjoyed the Racing Ralph's, they were a great tire, EVO Pacestars, but the new Crossmark EXC's I am running right now are about the same weight with similar rolling characteristics but more grip, really digging them. If they ever start selling the Ikon here in the states I may buy one to try.
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    Maxxis is coming out with their 27.5" Minion DHF tires; get those. They shed mud quite well, and are an amazing all around tire. If you need something now, maybe look at Hans Dampf or Conti Trail King.

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    I find the Maxxis Ardent sheds mud quite well and rolls better than High Rollers. Only down side is the smaller intermediate knobs, which I don't mind as it makes you corner properly IMHO (forces you to lean the bike over to get the bigger knobs to bite).

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    I have to second the Ardent. I'm also a fan of the Conti Mountain King. Both good tires, but I'd give the nod to the Ardent.

    Also, I'd avoid, like the plague, Racing Ralphs on a trail bike. The RaRa is a good tire if you're racing on buff single track and want a light tire with decent grip, but every time I've gotten into rocks with a RaRa, it's been a disaster. Light weight tires need to be held back for racing, it's not going to be satisfactory on a trail bike.

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    I've used Neo Moto's 2.3 exclusively and they are perfect for the NorCal trails....rocky, mud, sand and roots

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    Continental Trail Kings - great all around trail tire. I've used them from AZ and UT to the PNW summer/winter where I live. They run wide so get the 2.2" width unless you like big rubber.
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    I can't say enough good things about my NeoMoto up front. It has lasted and lasted, with great grip, roll, and cornering. I would also consider NobNic, HansD up front, but I'll probably get another NeoMoto. From wet and slick, to dry and loose, it has never slipped out on me.

    NeoMoto, NobNic, RocRon, RaceRalph in back, depending on conditions, but I want something fast rolling in the back most of the time.

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    Thanks for the $.02, guys.

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    You can get the trail kings from bike bling for $49. Jenson will match that and you get free shipping.

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    I like the 2.35 Nobby Nics with snakeskin. Great grip in all conditions, roll pretty well, not too heavy, and they have a very high-volume casing.

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    Ardent up front, Nobby Nic in the back for trail set up. For racing I run a big Ikon up front with either a Nobby Nic or Racing Ralph in the back depending on the conditions. The Racing Ralph though is an expensive tire with a short life.
    With Maxxis I get the EXO casing and Schwalbe I go with Snakeskin trailstar.
    I also like Conti Mountain Kings as rear tires for trail rides or X-Kings for going fast in more buff/race conditions (protection models).
    Tubeless, around 25 up front and 27 in back.

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    I was thinking about trying a Mountain King up front and an X-King in the rear, both 2.4" protection models. Anyone have experience with these?

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    Trail and Mountain Kings, Schwalbe Hans Damph and Nobby Nics. IMHO thee best tires I've ever had, with the edge going to the Contis. They don't wear as fast and give me a more confident feeling traction-wise. The NNs seems to wear faster than most other tires I've had too. But I like trying out new tires so the next set will be the Contis. I'll have to check the sites since they just came out for 27.5. Conti's for $49 is a great price.
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    +1 NN are the best as far as weight, grip, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    I like the 2.35 Nobby Nics with snakeskin. Great grip in all conditions, roll pretty well, not too heavy, and they have a very high-volume casing.

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    2.35 Nobby Nics great tire!..

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    I ran Schwalbe for a long time on my 29'er and loved them, but the Racing Ralph 650b was a big disappointment!!!

    I've been riding "The B" now for almost 2 years so maybe it was an early example, but the compound was soft and wore out in no time. The side knobs seemed flimsier than the 29er and they got ripped up/off pretty bad in the "Desert Crushed Granite" we ride around NM.

    I went to the Pacenti Neo-moto's and won't look back. For our terrain and conditions these tires hook up, take a sidewall beating and last forever. I'm on my second set now on my Dale Rush B'er.... 2.3 up front and 2.1 in the back.

    I must say though, those Conti's look sweet!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    Continental Trail Kings - great all around trail tire. I've used them from AZ and UT to the PNW summer/winter where I live. They run wide so get the 2.2" width unless you like big rubber.
    Are the Conti's running big a fairly new thing? I had a few sets of conti's about 6-7 years ago and they ran really small back then. I had a couple of 2.4 mountain kings and they looked like 2.2's. Just asking because I did like the compound and grip/tread pattern of them, but I've got an HDR now, so I can't go too big.

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    Honey Badger is a really nice trail tire. Its looks are deceiving, it has tons of grip as a rear tire on leaves covered trails here in Mass. It is nice to have real side knobs after the Hans Dampf disaster, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    the Hans Dampf disaster...
    Was that similar to the Hindenberg disaster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by icecreamjay View Post
    Are the Conti's running big a fairly new thing? I had a few sets of conti's about 6-7 years ago and they ran really small back then. I had a couple of 2.4 mountain kings and they looked like 2.2's. Just asking because I did like the compound and grip/tread pattern of them, but I've got an HDR now, so I can't go too big.
    They redesigned most or all of their tires in the last couple years and the new ones seem to be much more true to size. Fresh out of the box my new Mountain King 2.4 measured 60mm (2.36") wide for both tread and casing, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it grow at least another mm after it's been sitting at pressure and ridden a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    Continental Trail Kings - great all around trail tire. I've used them from AZ and UT to the PNW summer/winter where I live. They run wide so get the 2.2" width unless you like big rubber.
    Can you post the measurements of your mounted TK 2.2? Looking for total height, casing width and knob width. Also, what rim you are using. Did you weigh them?
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    I was not aware there was so much of a variation in weight in these tires. The High Rollers are 875 grams. I imagine that extra weight means longer tread life though.

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    I run Nobby Nics and Rocket Rons as front tires. As someone mentioned above the RaRa's are not too good with rocks and roots as a rear tire.

    I also run a Hans Dampf in the rear of my Rocky Mountain.
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    I run a Nobby nic 2.2 front and Ardent rear. the ardent does tend to cake up with mud more than the Nobby nic tho.

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    Neo motos are really good tires for people who ride trails. They roll well, corner well, and last reasonably. I really like mine. Get the pressure right and they really cook. Too stiff and they like to slide a little.

    If you spend your time broing around and tying to out bro your bros, then go for a slow rolling dhf, which is certainly the ultimate in cornering and control.

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    Pacenti Neo-Moto is by far the best all-around trail tire that I have used. Great in all conditions and works for both front and rear use (i usually run the narrower 2.1 out back).

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    One word of caution about the Neo-Motos: While Pacenti is coming out with a tubeless-ready version, current Neo-Motos are not. I've read lots of reports of folks running them tubeless with no problems, but mine (2.3 front/2.1 rear) have wept sealant continuously and lose pressure quickly (like overnight). I finally got sick of adding sealant to the rear and threw a tube in.

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    Maxxis just released a new Ardent in a 27.5 x 2.4. They are EXO and tubeless ready and use a dual compound. Just received mine today. Claimed weight is 760 grams. Both of them came in under - one at 745 grams and the other at 750 grams. The knobs look bigger than the 2.25 version. Can't wait to get them mounted. I ordered from Bike Bling. Couldn't find them anywhere else yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icecreamjay View Post
    Are the Conti's running big a fairly new thing? I had a few sets of conti's about 6-7 years ago and they ran really small back then. I had a couple of 2.4 mountain kings and they looked like 2.2's. Just asking because I did like the compound and grip/tread pattern of them, but I've got an HDR now, so I can't go too big.
    Conti are just inconsistent throughout their range. The TrailKings are pretty big (2.4 is almost too big and heavy, while the 2.2 is perfect for a trail tire). Note that my experience is for the 26", UST and ProTection versions.

    I recently purchased a MountainKing 2.2 and it is very small...it looks like a 2.0. I wouldn't be surprised if the MK 2.4 is similar in size to the TK 2.2. I regret not going for the 2.4 version...as the 2.2 feels more like an old school XC tire than a modern trail tire.

    Inconsistencies in actual size vs claimed size between manufacturers is nothing new, but such differences between somewhat similar tires from a single manufacturer is very surprising (and lame).

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden boy View Post
    Pacenti is coming out with a tubeless-ready version....
    Correcting myself: Panaracer is taking over production of the Neo-Motos and their version will be tubeless ready.

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    Here's what I'd lean towards:

    - Dry Summer trail riding - Maxxis Ikon 2.35 exo rear, Maxxis Ardent 2.4 Exo Front.
    - Damp shoulder seasons - Ardent 2.4, Nobby Nic 2.35, Conti TK 2.2
    - Winter - High Rollers, Minion DHF, and TK's
    - Bike Park/DH Lite trails (think "enduro") - Minion DHF

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden boy View Post
    Correcting myself: Panaracer is taking over production of the Neo-Motos and their version will be tubeless ready.
    for a second there I thought you meant the opposite, and I was like "how is he going to make tires"?

    I love that the pacentis are made by panaracer (japan). They seem to have a higher quality to them than the chinese counterparts. In my opinion, anyways.

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    I've been a fan of the Neo Moto 2.1 rear / 2.3 front setup, although I've trashed a lot of 2.1 rears on sharp rocks. I like the Nevegal 2.35 a little better on the front when it's going to be wet, slippery, or the trails feature more smooth rock faces. They roll a touch slower and don't turn in quite as quickly as the Neo 2.3, and may not grip in loamy conditions quite as well...so it's a trade-off.
    I've just started running a Mavic Crossroc Roam 2.2 on the back and I'm LOVING it....it's not real fat (54mm casing, 58mm tread on a Flow, and 58/59mm on a Derby Wide Rim) so it fits well on my bike, rolls well, grips well climbing, corners superbly, and looks like it will be a really tough tire considering it's size and weight, which was just a little over 700 grams... i forget the exact number now, but less than 750. If you're carving smooth bermed dirt you can probably get away with a lighter tire of the same size....but for a moderate width tire that's going to get subjected to chunder, it's the best I've tried yet.
    I love the 26/2.2 Conti Trail King Protection, but haven't tried the 650b version yet.... can't see any reason why it won't be outstanding like the other sizes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    e Nevegal 2.35
    I like the Nevegal ONLY in the sense that it's a sticker compound, and therefore grips better in the wet. NMs grip better cornering, braking, and roll better....but I also have a set of nevegals.

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    [QUOTE=doismellbacon;10812989]I've been a fan of the Neo Moto 2.1 rear / 2.3 front setup, although I've trashed a lot of 2.1 rears on sharp rocks. I like the Nevegal 2.35 a little better on the front when it's going to be wet, slippery, or the trails feature more smooth rock faces. They roll a touch slower and don't turn in quite as quickly as the Neo 2.3, and may not grip in loamy conditions quite as well...so it's a trade-off.=QUOTE]
    Yep I feel same way Nevegal 2.3 up front replaced Neo 2.1 up front for me have a 2.1 Nevegal out back but will be looking for something a little faster rolling but still durable once it wears out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandwich View Post
    I like the Nevegal ONLY in the sense that it's a sticker compound, and therefore grips better in the wet. NMs grip better cornering, braking, and roll better....but I also have a set of nevegals.
    I agree, except that I would add that the Neo's have been more puncture-prone than Nevegals, and I've found the Nevegals to grip better on smooth limestone as well, which is prominent in Austin. If I were still living in MidPen Bay Area I'd be happy as a clam with Neo's front and rear...they really are GREAT tires.

    I do NOT like the 2.1 Nevegal, front rear or otherwise.

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    I have experience with WTB vigilantes. I tore a sidewall in the rear within a hundred miles. They are a good tire in terms of handling and weight but I wouldn't,'t recommend for rocky trails. I am currently running a bontrager xr3 in place of the WTB vigilante.
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    The vigilante is my favorite front tire so far. Great cornering grip, very predictable and forgiving. When it starts to slide, you get plenty of notice and recovers easily. I though about trying them on the rear but they're just too slow for that. Neo's on the back for me until I find something that rolls better like perhaps the Schwalbe Rock Razor or Crossroc roam.

    Bacon: how do you think the rolling resistance of the Mavic roam compares with that of the Neos?

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    Best "trail" 650b tire

    I think they're pretty similar but it's been 6 mos since I had a Neo on the back of my bike, so I haven't done a direct back to back comparison. They are pretty similar to the Racing Ralph SS that they replaced in terms of rolling resistance, but much better in every other way...well except weight I guess.

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    I run NN 2.35 frt and 2.25 rear. Great tires except I keep slicing sidewalls on the rear. Are the NN considered fast rolling tires? I might have to try somethign new in the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudBike View Post
    Can you post the measurements of your mounted TK 2.2? Looking for total height, casing width and knob width. Also, what rim you are using. Did you weigh them?
    Thanks
    I'm also curious about the width of the TK 2.2. I was planning to get a 2.4 for the front and 2.2 for the rear, but if they truly run that wide I may just get a pair of 2.2's. Thanks!

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    Re: Best "trail" 650b tire

    Am I the only one that hates the Nobby Nic as a front tire? There's a dead spot in the tread between the center knobs and side knobs that lets the tire slide out until it gets on the side knobs and digs in. I replaced my front NN with a Hans Dampf and its nite & day difference.

    For the record I do like it as a rear tire.
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    Love the non in front . I'm sure it depends on terrain. And having a bike that handles well to begin with

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    Re: Best "trail" 650b tire

    Quote Originally Posted by aarontriton View Post
    Love the nn in front . I'm sure it depends on terrain. And having a bike that handles well to begin with

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    Don't like the No No 2.35 Evo as a front tire. The angled edge tread is too soft and squirm.IMHO even the 2.25 HD is better[ better tahn a Neo 2.3 as well]the performance version of the No Ni are night and day better than the EVO version.
    They are a dual compound tire and I prefer a firmer compound on the edge of the No Ni with it's angled small edge blocks which IMHO don't suit the softer triple Pacestar compound. The performance look[ even down to the grey bead edge] and feel like the older Evolution tires pre Triple compound Evolution series.{ 2011?] Compound still feels much softer than the harder compounds like on Neo's but firms up the edge of the No Ni nicely. Feels much more planted in corners.

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    Anyone looking to try something different. The Geax Goma is worth a look, especially as a rear.
    The GOMA 2.25 and,without even stretching it for a couple of days, it has same casing width, edge to edge ,as the No Ni 2.35 Evo and HD 2.25, at approx 155mm. On a crest the casing and tread is 57mm wide on a P35 58mm. It has a lower tread height then the HD and No Ni 2.35 so overall it's probably 1mm lower?

    I got this tire as it liiked like an ideal Enduro rear tire. On my bike it's too tall to use as a rear so I gave it a spin on the front. Impressions are it's a quick tire. On the smooth ride to the trail head it easily felt faster than a No Ni 2.35 perforamnce i did back to back tests with. As a rear it would be much faster than something like a Neo 2.3.Low flat soft treads are ideal for gripping wet tree roots as a rear tire.

    It's got a lowish tread [4mm] and roundish profile so you'd have to choose your conditions to use it as a front. It has 50A soft tread but the blocks are large and low so you need a bit of speed or weight to see much flex in the edge tread. So rocky or harder terrain for a heavier rider would be ideal. Should wear well for a soft compound tire on the rear.The 2.4 should have wider tread so would be the pick for the front. Still I ran it on loose over hard and didn't get it to break free. It's tempting to use it as a Trail front tire as it pretty quick. As the edge tread is low and doesn't overhang the casing I dropped the pressure more than i normally would without getting squirm . Further adds to the grip . The rounder profile did tend quicken the steering and add a bit of wheel flop at lower speeds.

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    My LBS is pushing me toward the new Rock Razor rather than stock Hi Roller II for my new Solo/5010, but I'm in southern Cal, trails dry as a bone. Don't know how they'd work in mud, but interesting tread. 27.5X2.35, Pacestar, Snakeskin, tubeless ready, 695g. LBS owner has them on his Bronson, raves about them. Was considering Pacenti/Panaracer line (Neo, Quasi) but Panaracer emailed me that tubeless ready versions won't be out til late summer earliest.

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    I have the 2.4 Trailking protections on my bike and after a few rides I'm not sold on them. I can't seem to get the bike to stay put on off camber rocks or roots, it's like it's on ice. Never had that issue with my old bike with the Nevegals. I'm going to give them another run or two, but I'm looking at either going to the 2.4 Ardents, or if I can hold out, the new Nevegal X pro. Wish Maxxis would offer the Minion DHF in a 2.4 for 650b.

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    geax goma 2.4 is basically a minion dhf.
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    i really like the michelin wild grip'r 2.35. they are big, lite, and relatively cheap. they have a great tread pattern imo..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwyooaj View Post
    geax goma 2.4 is basically a minion dhf.
    Yep, same designer who used to be contracted to Maxxis.A faster lighter cheaper better quality casing DHF. Ideal for the rear.

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    I have NN on the front and rear, love the tires but keep getting sidwall tears in the rear

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    Best "trail" 650b tire

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    Am I the only one that hates the Nobby Nic as a front tire? There's a dead spot in the tread between the center knobs and side knobs that lets the tire slide out until it gets on the side knobs and digs in. I replaced my front NN with a Hans Dampf and its nite & day difference.

    For the record I do like it as a rear tire.

    Didn't like the NoNic 27.5x2.35 as front either on my Solo, same reason. Found that dead spot too often on dry loose over hard pack here in So Cal. Plus on a 2.5 hr ride I felt the drag compared to Crossmarks I was running on my previous bike, TBc.

    Couldn't find a snakeskin Rocket Ron so I put on a 2.25 No Nic (EVO, Pacestar, snakeskin). MUCH better! It's actually slightly narrower than the Racing Ralph I run on rear...kinda weird to have wider tire in back but the 2.25 is great: grips well, no real dead spot, climbs and rolls fast, and a good bit lighter than 2.35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattMay View Post
    Didn't like the NoNic 27.5x2.35 as front either on my Solo, same reason. Found that dead spot too often on dry loose over hard pack here in So Cal. Plus on a 2.5 hr ride I felt the drag compared to Crossmarks I was running on my previous bike, TBc.

    Couldn't find a snakeskin Rocket Ron so I put on a 2.25 No Nic (EVO, Pacestar, snakeskin). MUCH better! It's actually slightly narrower than the Racing Ralph I run on rear...kinda weird to have wider tire in back but the 2.25 is great: grips well, no real dead spot, climbs and rolls fast, and a good bit lighter than 2.35.

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    Best "trail" 650b tire

    Pretty wide (and deep): 35 mm external, 27.5 internal. 2.5 mm asymmetric offset. 25 mm deep.

    I'm on Nox Composite AM-275 carbon rims, which I love. Here's the full tech link:

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    Hot off the pres: Specialized is has conceded defeat to the growing 650b movement and is offering 650b tires! I just ordered a set from my LBS for my Santa Cruz Solo. Always love the Purgatory and now I can run one on my bike! Hot News: Specialized Rolls-Out Mid-Sized 27.5-Inch/650b Tires | Mountain Bike Review

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    First 300 miles on my Trance 1 (27.5) with the stock Nobby Nics.
    I liked the Nics overall, but could never trust the flimsy side knobs when "hard" in a corner. I've worn them out and decided to try something different.

    I almost went with the Pacenti Neo moto 2.35
    I ended up going with the Michelin Wild GripR 2.35.

    First thing I noticed when mounting - the GripR's are twice as heavy as the Nobby Nics.
    My NN's weighed in at 578g and the GripR's were 1206 each....Sheeess .
    Dang near a full LBS per wheel.
    And I felt it while climbing for sure.

    The second thing I noticed about these GripR tires......They stick like frickin velcro.
    When pointed down my favorite technical stuff, these things were amazing?
    The bike was on steroids. I just think about a line and it sticks it.
    the traction is great on the climbs, allowing for creative lines (but I felt it when lifting the front tire or bunny hopping).

    On many sections where the Nics broke loose - the GripR's stuck like glue.
    The Nobby Nics were predictable when they broke loose, but they did just that...they couldn't hang.

    I on hardpacked, high speed corners, the side knobs of the GripR just railed and never felt mushy like the Nics. The nics felt like the want to roll over on me.

    This is just the first ride.
    The weight is a bummer on these GripR's.
    The ride was great.

    I will give the Pacenti's a try when these are worn.

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    This is a great thread. Lots of useful and thoughtful insight.

    Rocky, rooty, New England trails here and I've ridden Neo moto's 2.3, WTB vigilantes, Hans Dampfs and Maxxis Ardent.

    Really like the neo-moto's, great all around tire. I liked the Hans Dampfs, but the side knobs just don't last long enough to justify the price. The vigilante's came stock and just seemed very thin and flimsy and I didn't trust them enough to use them very long. Currently using the ardent in back with the HD up front and its a good combo.

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    I'll agree, this thread is *****in'

    When I built my new 27.5 this spring, I went back and fork about a Schwalbe HD/NN combo for F/R. In the end, the cost and fragile nature of the Schwalbe tires lost out to tried and true Maxxis rubber.

    I'm running a HRII 27.5 x 2.35 F and a Ardent 27.5 x 2.25 R. The HRII isn't nearly as slow as I was worried about (not even close) and I love the braking and cornering traction. The Ardent makes an good rear, with quite a bit of bite and grip for a lighter high-volume tire.

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    I chose the same setup as NWfreeride and agree with what was written. I greatly disliked the lack of rolling feel when I had an HR2 on the rear. Let me add I looked at my 27.5 x 2.25 Ardent next to a friend's 26 x 2.25 Ardent and it looked to me like the intermediate knobs were about twice as wide on the 27.5 in comparison.

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    I have started my 650b experiment with Neo Motos two plus years ago and I have gone the full circle now. I tried several tires from Schwalbe, Kenda, Vee Rubber, Michelin but I have just gone back to Neo Moto 2.3 in the rear and I think it is one of the best rear trail tires out there, as long as you can live with its casing (not humongous volume, not the thickest sidewalls out there). For the front, I am very happy with Vee Rubber Fluid 2.4.

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    Had a NN on the rear of my Nickel, sliced the sidewall first ride. Rode it with a tube. Couldn't get the tire pressure right, too squirmy in corners. I thought my rear wheel kept needing more tension. Turns out it was the side nobs. Switched to a Pacenti Neo-Moto from Panaracer 2.3. Sticks like Velcro. Run a nevegal up front, cuz the Ardent wasn't available in a 2.4, when it wears out I am going to the Ardent. FWIW I am a Clydesdale, hence the squirminess with the NN.

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    How about a hans dampf front with the NN rear with snake skin. Much better sidewall performance. Sounds like your Michelins will take a long time to wear out.

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    Hard to beat the Minion EXO TR tires imo...

    My bike came with Bonty XR4s, kept it on the front and went with a DHR2 on the rear. It rolls about as fast and I like it better for a rear tire.
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    Got my Specialized Purgatory 650b's put on. Wow, cornering capability is night and day compared to my Maxxis High Rollers!

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    After running NN's 2.35 both front and rear last year, moved to Conti Mountain King II 2.4 front and X King 2.4 rear. Had the Ardent 2.25 in the rear early on but I prefer the larger volume of the XKing and it still have great traction and rolls nicely. MKII is excellent on the front, much better traction than the NN in my opinion. So far I have ridden quite moist and tacky dirt with the Contis so I'll see how the XKing rear holds when things dry out but I like how fast it rolls at the back.

    Also tried the Neo-Moto in the rear before the NN and loved it but I cut sidewalls twice within 50 miles of riding them new, so I had to give it up for some more reliable tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    Got my Specialized Purgatory 650b's put on. Wow, cornering capability is night and day compared to my Maxxis High Rollers!
    I've been super happy with a Purgatory on the rear, but found it unpredictable on the front. The Butcher is a much more stable front tire (best i've ever ridden). You can take corners really fast and aggressively lean the bike over with no "Oh Crap" moments.

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    I've run a bunch of Specialized, Maxxis and Conti tires over the years, and while I'm a big DHF fan, my latest tire setups have been awesome.

    On my 26er hardtail I'm running a WTB Vigilante Team Issue (heavy/sticky version) and a Conti Mountain King 2.4 Protection. The WTB is probably my favorite tire I've ridden in a really long time and just feels really natural with big, blocky side knobs. Seems to last well too. The longevity and wet grip of the Mountain King's Black Chili compound are very impressive, and they seem to roll really well. The high volume makes them great on a hardtail, though I wouldn't run it as a front tire for the lack of side knob stability - you really need to dig em through the corners, but they match my riding style well enough.

    My latest tire dilemma has been with my 27.5" Spitfire. I'm running a 2.4 Conti Trail King Protection up front, and while I still wish it had blockier side knobs, the profile is pretty nice and square on my WTB i23 rims so they still seem to hold a hard lean really well. The Maxxis High Roller 2 TR Exo that I was running out back, however, was less than awesome. The grip was pretty amazing, but dear lord was it slow rolling. I made a fairly bold move to the other end of the spectrum and picked up a Conti X-King 2.4 Protection, and while it is a much smaller and rounder profile than the Trail King, it seems to roll very quickly while still cornering well enough. I love the Conti rubber, so I'm again expecting good longevity and grip on wet rocks, roots, etc.
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    Did you get the Grid sidewall?

    I am loving the Hans Dampf that came on my 5010 because it corners and climbs exceedingly well - like the Purgatory. It may be a keeper if it stands up to the serious sidewall abuse I tend to heap on tires.

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    I did not get the grid. I got the control. Less sidewall protection but a bit lighter. They corner great, but I still have not taken them on granite/slickrock type rides. Only hardpack dirt so far. I plan on taking it up to Curt Gowdy State park today or tomorrow to get a feel or how it does on solid rock surface riding.

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    Update to my tire setup - I'm running a Conti X-King instead of the HRII on the back of my Spitfire and like it much better for the conditions we have had lately. The rubber compound is still grippy, but it rolls much better. It's easier to break loose than the HRII and braking isn't quite as good, but I think its a more usable tire in intermediate to dry conditions.

    On that same vein, I have still not quite figured out the Mountain King 2.4 up front...I still am not entirely comfortable laying it into corners and it doesn't grip as predictably as my Vigilante on my Chromag. I may try replacing it with the HRII, but I'll give it a bit more time.
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    Anyone try Onza tires? A guy at my LBS was talking about them. I was looking at a Lynx as a possible rear tire with an Ardent up front.

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    Combo of Highrollers 2/ minion dhr 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rave81 View Post
    Combo of Highrollers 2/ minion dhr 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    No.
    Why no? Those are very good combo. Very grippy and nicr in fast cornering.

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    Sure we don't need another thread best Enduro All mountain tires. There's some pretty meaty treads some are using for all day riding?

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    Which tires are light, durable and has better cornering?

    What about combination of hans damp and rock razor?

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    I've had previous great experience with Hans Dampf which is lighter than HR 2 and felts just as good on the descents (which I focus on more when choosing tires). Only two drawbacks I remember:
    * Price - VERY expensive
    * Tread wears out very quickly, lasts about half as long as comparable tires. Which makes price an even bigger issue...
    BTW wasn't running them tubeless although they are tubeless ready.

    BTW these days I'm riding a "Brolo" (solo with 140mm Pike) and using it for fast AM / Enduro trails so loving my Maxxis HR 2s on the descents, but I know that's off topic. I just wasn't aware they were slow rolling, maybe I'll check out the suggestions for a better climber.
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    I have a few rides with a Specialized Butcher up front and a purgatory grid rear. The compound seems nice and soft and the traction is great. Feels more controlled and can angle better than the ardent 2.4 on the front of my 29er.

    The price and weight are decent too.

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    Another option is maxxis ardent/ikon. Both are featherweight and fast roĺling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rave81 View Post
    Another option is maxxis ardent/ikon. Both are featherweight and fast roĺling.
    I'm thinking about trying this setup for a lighter faster option than the DHF / CrossRoc I've been running. They should provide enough grip when trail conditions are good...we've been getting some rain! WOOT WOOT! When things get dusty and blown out I'll need something with more penetration again. I got tired of replacing 2 or 3 trashed tires every month so I went pretty heavy, but NZ's correct.... the DHF, & the like, are a little porky for longer days with lots of UP.

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    I just ordered a Butcher Control / Purgatory Control combo. Should be fun!

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    I'm pretty happy with my mountain king up front, but in the rear its a different story. any on have a suggestion for a rear tire that wont let me down in loose dirt but also wont slide out from under me in techy rock sections?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenHolloway View Post
    I'm pretty happy with my mountain king up front, but in the rear its a different story. any on have a suggestion for a rear tire that wont let me down in loose dirt but also wont slide out from under me in techy rock sections?
    What size MK's are you running, and on what bike? Do you have room for super-fatties, or are you trying to keep things more on the light and skinny side? Trail conditions are dry and dusty, or wet and slippery?

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    2.4 on both ends, I would like something lighter fast rolling on the back. conditions are almost always dry and dusty, occasionally hard pack in the early season, dealing with lava rock and roots on climbs seems like the MK's aren't holding a line, or will spin easier than I think they should on tech climbing areas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    I just ordered a Butcher Control / Purgatory Control combo. Should be fun!
    I am loving this combo so far!

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    I have several rides now with a Maxxis Ardent up front paired with a fast rolling Geax Saguaro in the rear. Great combo for the mix of trails we have here in the Bend area.

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    Spec Purg is OK. Far as I know, in the 650b size, only comes in 2bliss grid.

    Run it front and back of an M6. For trail riding I can't imagine wanting more tire. Seems like it rides like "more tire" than does the 29" version.

    I've ridden very few 275 tires so really can't compare to others in that size, but I am sort of a tire junkie and have been through way too many 26" and 29" tires.

    The 29" flavor is the perfect combination of roll, straight on climbing traction, and cornering.

    The 275 version of the Purg seems to provide even more control in terms of cornering, but I find it rolls quite a bit slower. Maybe that is just the difference between a 275 and a 29".

    Spent last year on a V Rubber 2.4" Trail Taker (I almost forgot about that tire). Now that I come to think of it, it was a pretty darn good trail tire. Rolled fast and provided just barely enough traction in both climbing and cornering. Was cheap too. Might have to get me another one of those there tires. Hope it will fit on my frame.

    Nevegal - rode one out back for a few months last year. Like all Nevegals, great traction, but rolls like you are riding on hot tar. Better saved for up front.

    I have a Honey Badger, brand new, that came on a stock wheel set that I probably won't use. Looks like it wouldn't have enough knob and climbing traction. Speculation of course.

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    650B 2.35 Nobby N. one of the best in terms of weight vs grip. HR II and TrailKing are too heavy options

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimant View Post
    650B 2.35 Nobby N. one of the best in terms of weight vs grip. HR II and TrailKing are too heavy options
    I have much hate for NNics. They are literally Racing Ralphs with knobs on steroids. Lightweight but flimsy.

    The Honey Badger is a direct opposite to the NN and a great trail tire - looks tame, but has way more grip than its looks suggest. And its casing is tough like a honey badger.

    The Purgatory I ordered is of the Control 2Bliss Ready casing. Spesh now sells them in both Control and Grid casings.

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    What about a combo of hans damp/rock razor or wtb vigilante/wolverine?

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    Vigilante (f)/ Purgatory grid (r) is my new favorite combo.

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    Really happy with my WTB vigilante's. really grippy and very predictable when they break loose. Really good grip on the wet roots and rocks
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    I've just awakened from a 650b slumber (didn't realize how popular they'd become as haven't been here much last few years and just in general hadn't been paying attention to developments in mtb world). Amazing how much choice there is now. I started with and have been using Neo Moto 2.3s since I built my wheelset. I just recently ran out and had some Nevegals put away as spares so put them on and like them much more in the rocks and cornering and descending (especially when all are involved) but they're a bit sluggish otherwise, really noticeable on pavement. Think I'll have to stock up on some more different spares from the suggestions here....
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