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    Any info on Santa Cruz coming out with 650b blur xcc

    hey everyone

    as noted on a different thread here awhile back Santa Cruz removed their 26" blur from their website some time in the last couple of months...is this to make way for a 650b blur xcc? anyone heard anything about this at all?

    I know you can convert the 26" model pretty easily, but was wondering about a dedicated 650b blur xcc

    thx, matt

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    It's already been done: it's called the solo/ 5010.

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    aw come on man...that's not the same...the solo has 150 up front 125 in the rear...the blur xc has 120/100 up front and 100 in the rear...plus different geometry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mforness3000 View Post
    aw come on man...that's not the same...the solo has 150 up front 125 in the rear...the blur xc has 120/100 up front and 100 in the rear...plus different geometry...
    The Solo definitely has 130 up front not 150, and you ought to test ride a solo before you write it off as not for you.

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    Okay, I suppose it's possible. But are they really going to create a bike that is really similar to the solo AND has the same travel as their TallBoy?

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    my buddy has a solo set up with 150mm of travel up front...but I see now that it's spec'd with 130mm...so I agree, it's pretty close to a blur xcc...just a bit more travel and a little slacker...thanks!

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    I think it would be wise for SC to make a 27.5 Blur. The 5010 is not really a dedicated XC bike, its more of a light trail bike. I would also like to see a carbon hard tail from them.

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    My two cents... I have a Solo and a Blur XCc (with 100mm fork). Two completely different bikes. Yes, the Solo can be set up XC, but it is more at home as a trail/AM bike. Having said that, the XCc is now relegated to my backup/race bike. I don't know if SC will build a 27.5 XCc, but I do see a market for it. Most folks will say just get a Tallboy for XC, but that's a different bike too, and a lot of riders aren't fans of the big wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiendbear View Post
    My two cents... I have a Solo and a Blur XCc (with 100mm fork). Two completely different bikes. Yes, the Solo can be set up XC, but it is more at home as a trail/AM bike. Having said that, the XCc is now relegated to my backup/race bike. I don't know if SC will build a 27.5 XCc, but I do see a market for it. Most folks will say just get a Tallboy for XC, but that's a different bike too, and a lot of riders aren't fans of the big wheels.
    So just how much different is a carbon 50Lo built up xc compared to the 650B'd Blur XCc?
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Totally different bikes. Anyone that rode the blur TRc and XCc would tell you there is a big difference. The TRc/5010 is new school geo w slacker angles and geared towards trail and descending. Your far more likely to see one competing in an enduro than an xc race, especially among pro level riders. The XCc is more traditional geo and xc and xc racing designed. It handles very differently and there are lots of old school riders and racers that want that. I'm not one of them, but I know plenty of them.

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    I have a solo and I love it- but I would 1st in line if they made a 27.5 Blur XC or a "medium boy".

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    I would be up for the Blur XC c in 650B. My current blur frame has an issue and they are having difficulty locating a large frame now. I may be screwed out of my XC racer and forced to get a TRc. I will have to sell it and move away from SC. That sucks as I do not want another frame. I love my Blur as 650B. I think SC is missing out on a grand oportunity if they don't come out with a 650B 100mm travel frame. I would have to get a 650B fork but that would be the least of my worries. Come on SC, give us something to work with here!!

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    If the trend continues, SC will come out with a new 27.5 bike real soon. It seemed like they had a new bike monthly, a few months back.
    I'm too, hoping for a XC fs from them, not that my Blur XCc needs toto be replaced, just so people could see how awesome a bike it is, maybe lay to rest the rumor that 29ers are best for xc.

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    "I think SC is missing out on a grand oportunity if they don't come out with a 650B 100mm travel frame"

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    A 650b version of the Blur LT would be too similar to the Bronson (I've owned both). A 650b version of the Blur XC or TR would be too similar to the Solo. I think we've seen the end of the Blur line, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    A 650b version of the Blur LT would be too similar to the Bronson (I've owned both). A 650b version of the Blur XC or TR would be too similar to the Solo. I think we've seen the end of the Blur line, unfortunately.
    Back to my original post: Difference between the BXCc and Soloc would just be in the frame # of what 1/4lb-1/2lb? Granted the 5010 geo isn't "xc" per say.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    i would think the tb and 29sl will be it for xc weapons. imo sc already offers a lot of different models for a smallish company.

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    Hilarious, I got a negative rep for my comments, even though Bike magazine wrote in their review that the bike is for light trail and XC duties.

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    The Blur Xcc and 5010c are totally different bikes. Maybe they appear the same, 5010 has a different geometry, beefier frame and a mount for a chain guide. I just built up a 5010 and haven't ridden it yet, but sitting next to each other you can see the major differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    The Blur Xcc and 5010c are totally different bikes. Maybe they appear the same, 5010 has a different geometry, beefier frame and a mount for a chain guide. I just built up a 5010 and haven't ridden it yet, but sitting next to each other you can see the major differences.
    With following your 650 BXCc love, curious to why you didn't jump over the 5010 up to a Bronson instead. Just looking for a trailbike?
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyrdrms View Post
    My current blur frame has an issue and they are having difficulty locating a large frame now. I may be screwed out of my XC racer and forced to get a TRc. I will have to sell it and move away from SC.
    IF that's the case, want to trade?

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    Yep, and bike-mags are always correct.

    The 5010 is not an XC frame. It's heavier and slacker and makes a fantastic bike for recreational use (Sans price tag!), but it's no Blur XCc.

    I think SC will be coming out with an XCc in 650b soon enough. But the money is in "trail", "All Mountain", "Enduro", and any other buzz word you'd like to throw out there.

    Didn't you guys get the memo? XC is booooring.
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    Hilarious, I got a negative rep for my comments, even though Bike magazine wrote in their review that the bike is for light trail and XC duties.

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    I think a Tall Boy Carbon 27.5 would be the bomb. I liked it as a 29er. But I come from steel HT on boring XC. I just got an Anthem Advanced 1 and that is going to be one of those cold-dead-fingers things.
    I don't rattle.

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    Any info on Santa Cruz coming out with 650b blur xcc

    I had actually exchanged email with Santa Cruz on the topic of a "TB w/ 650" a few weeks back. (XC style geo with short FS travel)

    They said they are "always prototyping test bikes but we have no new models in this category coming at this time... Right now the TB is the only model in this intended use segment."

    Not sure how precise they'd be if they *did* have something in process since I could have been a competitor, but I'd really really hate to buy a new bike to just barely miss a new model. Though I realize this happens to folks all the time and at some point we just need to pull the trigger.

    Hope that helps.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsie_cat View Post
    I have a solo and I love it- but I would 1st in line if they made a 27.5 Blur XC or a "medium boy".
    Medium Boy = superlight conversion.

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    Or a "Not so Tall LightBoy"
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Or a "Not so Tall LightBoy"
    Or a Superboy

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    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinStumps View Post
    I had actually exchanged email with Santa Cruz on the topic of a "TB w/ 650" a few weeks back. (XC style geo with short FS travel)

    They said they are "always prototyping test bikes but we have no new models in this category coming at this time... Right now the TB is the only model in this intended use segment."

    Not sure how precise they'd be if they *did* have something in process since I could have been a competitor, but I'd really really hate to buy a new bike to just barely miss a new model. Though I realize this happens to folks all the time and at some point we just need to pull the trigger.

    Hope that helps.


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    I asked the same question looking for a bike like the SOLO after the Bronson came out. They gave me almost exactly the same answer and then a week later, the SOLO came out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FNFAL View Post
    Didn't you guys get the memo? XC is booooring.
    Oh, and hard and no fun to ride. Does anyone actual ride up hills anymore? I watch all the videos and they are hardly ever pedaling or they are sitting in the back of a pickup truck riding to the top.

    Maybe I am over generalizing here (OK probably) but you put bigger wheels on it AND slacken it, AND lower it, and maybe even lengthen it (?), and it's an XC bike? Huh? Was marking out trail Monday and my buddy and were taking the piss (a bit unfairly) out of Giant. The new Anthem 27.5 has really close geo to last year's 26" Trance, just 20mm less travel and probably a lower front end. His reaction was, "great Giant's made an amazing trail bike you can't jump without voiding the warranty." I almost cried laughing at the irony.

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    Climb? I do. I come from a '95 steel Bontrager Racelite. I ride an Anthem Advance 1, 27.5 I've had since late November. Suspension front and rear? Carbon? 2x10? Hydraulic brakes? It's like a time machine. But I am just an old XC racer weenie. I imagine if I was coming from DH it might seem like weak sauce.

    FWIW I liked the Carbon Tallboy 29er but not the wheel size. The Anthem is that bike in 27.5 a a few pounds lighter. The Solo was too long for me; I like to be on top of my front wheel more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    Climb? I do. I come from a '95 steel Bontrager Racelite. I ride an Anthem Advance 1, 27.5 I've had since late November. Suspension front and rear? Carbon? 2x10? Hydraulic brakes? It's like a time machine. But I am just an old XC racer weenie. I imagine if I was coming from DH it might seem like weak sauce.

    FWIW I liked the Carbon Tallboy 29er but not the wheel size. The Anthem is that bike in 27.5 a a few pounds lighter. The Solo was too long for me; I like to be on top of my front wheel more.
    I was being sarcastic. I'm right there with, but I'm still on my '98 Proflex.

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    REALLY?? '98 Proflex? Props to you.... loyalty is a rare virtue these days. Can you still get those MCU springs for that bike?

    A while back I watched a guy clean one of the better known, and tougher, rock features on a popular local trail on a 1992 Bridgestone MB-2... I know exactly which model and year because I had the same bike, but mine was the ugly sucky color, not the *****in' sparkly purple that this guy had, and that I wanted but couldn't wait for. That was 20 years and 8 bikes ago for me...but this guy was laying the smack down on his old faithful...

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    Not to hyjack the thread:

    They stopped using the polymer springs in '96. Beyond that I may have a set of 2004 Fox Float in place of the old electronic Smrtshocks.

    I keep making changes and updates, and everytime I do the bike just gets better. The carbon swingarm has lost more than a bit of its stiffness, the saddle to bar height would make Kulhavy proud, and I have resigned myself to the fact that it really is too small for me (they didn't make a Way Big in carbon). But it it 26lbs and lighter than most of my buddies bikes, and with a drivetrain update it would be lighter than all of them. It also climbs really well and is a terror on the tight singletrack. It just works. No need for a new one. And, where ever I show up it stops traffic for a second.

    Now back to 68 degree HTA and 130mm of travel making a good XC bike. I wanna hear this argument.

    Edit: After just an extra second of though. Good XC bike, sure I can see that. Great XC bike or full on racer? No. But that is not why it was build. SC marketed it as the backcountry adventure bike. And all I can assume is that they know what they built the bike for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    REALLY?? '98 Proflex? Props to you.... loyalty is a rare virtue these days.
    Don't be misled. He's not really that loyal, it's just that as a mechanic at a bike shop, he can't afford a newer bike yet....

    (...Hi Rich )


    ...on a more serious note, I think the side conversation here proves something. You really can use almost any bike for almost any discipline of riding. Note the qualifiers here. I'm not riding a down hill bike up our local narrow, steep, switchback XC stuff. And I'm not riding my Anthem down a down hill trail. But I will tackle some serious all mountain terrain on my XC bike. I think, regardless of the manufacturer, there's been a shift in overall philosophy.

    I'm not sure going up hill FAST matters as much as it used to. I think, regardless of discipline, an emphasis has been put on speed on flats and down hills, with simple "ability to climb comfortably" rather than having to attack climbs aggressively. This likely stems from the growing 100 mile/24 hour/ endurance (not enduro) races that seem to encompass every type of riding. The focus is not on all out speed, rather the ability to be comfortable enough to maintain speed for long periods of time.

    I have a suspicion, that if you like your pointy XC race machine, you should hold on to it dearly, as jazclrint does his. These true, focused XC races that are more like sprints are going to begin to look like the track racing of the MTB world - special bikes that you could ride anywhere, but they'd always look out of place. The consumer/mass produced XC bike is going to be more relaxed.

    So to bring this full circle and back on topic, maybe SC's non-29" XC bike is already on their website?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    So to bring this full circle and back on topic, maybe SC's non-29" XC bike is already on their website?
    It is , and it's on closeout. https://shop.santacruzbicycles.com/s...tion-1434.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post


    I'm not sure going up hill FAST matters as much as it used to. I think, regardless of discipline, an emphasis has been put on speed on flats and down hills, with simple "ability to climb comfortably" rather than having to attack climbs aggressively. This likely stems from the growing 100 mile/24 hour/ endurance (not enduro) races that seem to encompass every type of riding. The focus is not on all out speed, rather the ability to be comfortable enough to maintain speed for long periods of time.
    Ask 100 people whether they would like to Ride 10 miles easy or 1 mile at full speed (Or run a 10k easy vs a 3k at full speed), and 99 of the 100 would opt for the easy, long ride.

    Cross Country racing in general is something that is abandoned when kids finish high school, at least in this country.

    I'll admit, I love both distance and XC. But I would prefer giving it everything for 1.5 hours than riding for 6 hours at a leisurely pace.

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