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    Alex 650B XD-Lite

    Hello All,

    I'm in process of building up a rr wheel with this rim (using an XT hub) but can't find "ERD and offset" info on the rim to order spokes. Anyone by any chance have it or can direct me to info? Cracked Headtube? Ordered thru your site.

    Thanks in advance,

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    IIRC the erd is 566
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    thx

    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    IIRC the erd is 566
    LBS was askng for offset too. I noticed eyelets staggered slightly but doesn't look like enuff to make a difference. Wondering if they ment for the dish of hub. Would think They could get off shimano xt specs for that to figure shorter side spokes.

    That make sense??
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    Yeah, they are look for hub dims with the comment about offset. Left and right center to flange dims to be specific.

    http://bike.shimano.com/publish/cont...ub%20Specs.pdf
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    Right

    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    Yeah, they are look for hub dims with the comment about offset. Left and right center to flange dims to be specific.

    http://bike.shimano.com/publish/cont...ub%20Specs.pdf
    Thanks. That's what I'm thinking after looking at all the different 650 rim specs. Only 1 mentioned anything about offset and it was "0".

    Sidenote-Curious to your avatar. Is that by any chance a certain South American who associated with Fidel? Reason being I was at lbs counter bantering with the employee about this wheel build, and my stupidsmartphone, when your first reply on the ERD came thru. He read it and noticed your avatar and snickered because he had something up on his computer studying for a class and it had several pix of "said" individual, one was a similar rendering of your avatar. Crazy coincedence if so.....
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    I thought it was Jim "Che" Croce:
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    it's a mashup of Che and cigar guy. Google 'cigar guy tiger woods' to find out what the heck cigar guy is. It is work safe.
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    Right I see that now

    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    it's a mashup of Che and cigar guy. Google 'cigar guy tiger woods' to find out what the heck cigar guy is. It is work safe.
    Interesting. I'm unemployeed so my work site is safe for now. Now, what about that dang offset I'm looking for....
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    Hah hah josh

    Quote Originally Posted by Entrenador
    I thought it was Jim "Che" Croce:
    Did you find that offset yet??
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    Does anybody use offset anymore except for the park tools manual?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    Does anybody use offset anymore except for the park tools manual?
    I haven't had a chance to try the Alex rims yet. How well do they fit the Neo-Moto?

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    Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    I haven't had a chance to try the Alex rims yet. How well do they fit the Neo-Moto?

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    Got it yesterday. Great tire Kirk. LBS has had a few Nev 2.35's but hadn't seen one of these and were really impressed!! Like a mini Rampage they said!

    Putting on a WTB Laser for front. Setting tubelss today so will see. Going to run the Alex (when built ) in back w/ 2.1 Nev. It tubed up good on there too. Thinking to get another 2.1 Neo and run the pair on the FS, and another Nev or Quasi for the HT's, ss and 1x9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47
    Did you find that offset yet??
    I have offset my search for the perfect offset, for now. Likely picking up a used rockhopper beater tomorrow. My stable is always in flux. How's that for an oxymoron?
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    Fine

    Quote Originally Posted by Entrenador
    I have offset my search for the perfect offset, for now. Likely picking up a used rockhopper beater tomorrow. My stable is always in flux. How's that for an oxymoron?
    Rockhopper and Turner going 650. Got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    I haven't had a chance to try the Alex rims yet. How well do they fit the Neo-Moto?

    Cheers,
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    I've been running Neos on mine tubeless with Stans standard strip from the get go and have yet to have a problem keeping the tires on. No burps at all. BUT I don't see any of the rims in stock anywhere anymore and can't find them on Alex's website now.
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    neo on wtb laser

    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    I've been running Neos on mine tubeless with Stans standard strip from the get go and have yet to have a problem keeping the tires on. No burps at all. BUT I don't see any of the rims in stock anywhere anymore and can't find them on Alex's website now.
    Not an easy setup. Finally got it to seat w air and a corset! Should have xd rim built next week to try the Nev on that. Curious to see how it mounts. Not apples to apples but we'll see.
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    I had a hard time getting the tires to air up and seat until I tried the set up I described in another thread of running foam tape under the Stans strip. Aired up easy breezy with that setup. Next wheels are WTBs for my wife's b-side. We'll see how those work out.
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    Recall that

    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    I had a hard time getting the tires to air up and seat until I tried the set up I described in another thread of running foam tape under the Stans strip. Aired up easy breezy with that setup. Next wheels are WTBs for my wife's b-side. We'll see how those work out.
    Does that raise up the strip to engauge the bead better??

    I had planned to run WTB Laser w/ Wolv setup but they are even more elusive. Not sure when they are re-stocking. I'll run the Neo/Nev setup on fs until they are available, then switch these over to the HT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    I haven't had a chance to try the Alex rims yet. How well do they fit the Neo-Moto?

    Cheers,
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    Pretty well. Been running tubed for about a year with no issue. It's a nice easy rim to build up.

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    sorry I didn't get to this thread sooner....

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    Yeah about time

    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube
    sorry I didn't get to this thread sooner....
    What's your take on all this?

    Thx in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47
    Does that raise up the strip to engauge the bead better??
    yeah, it pops up the center of the Stans strip so that it kind of seals up against the bead making it way easier to get the tire to air up.
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    Update

    Ok, first off sorry for the $hitty pic! Here's the offset which is about the width of the flange on the eyelet itself (less than 1/16" in carpenter-speak).

    I can't see this little bit altering the spoke calc/length.

    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47
    Ok, first off sorry for the $hitty pic! Here's the offset which is about the width of the flange on the eyelet itself (less than 1/16" in carpenter-speak).

    I can't see this little bit altering the spoke calc/length.

    Thoughts?
    I'm not a wheel builder yet. If I ever get to say that I'm retired, I'll probably take up the craft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47
    Ok, first off sorry for the $hitty pic! Here's the offset which is about the width of the flange on the eyelet itself (less than 1/16" in carpenter-speak).

    I can't see this little bit altering the spoke calc/length.

    Thoughts?

    It doesn't. That is not an offset rim. The spoke hole angles are alternated to approximate the angle the spoke will enter the rim from either side to reduce stress on the nipple.

    A true off set rim would also have this alternating pattern, but the spokes would be clearly off to one side of the rim... usually about 4mm. Velocity's Synergy rims, among others are a good / clear example of an off set rim.

    The patent on the off set rim design will be expiring in a couple years. When that happens, I suspect that off set rims will be the norm instead of the exception.

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    What I thought

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti
    It doesn't. That is not an offset rim. The spoke hole angles are alternated to approximate the angle the spoke will enter the rim from either side to reduce stress on the nipple.

    A true off set rim would also have this alternating pattern, but the spokes would be clearly off to one side of the rim... usually about 4mm. Velocity's Synergy rims, among others are a good / clear example of an off set rim.

    The patent on the off set rim design will be expiring in a couple years. When that happens, I suspect that off set rims will be the norm instead of the exception.

    Cheers,

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    Thanks Kirk. Yeah I saw a cut of that Velocity rim and realized the offset they were asking for on the Alex was mute. My shop may have been razz'n me since I didn't buy the hoop thru them. Hey I offered to pay retail but they didn't want to go to MS or OO to get XD lite or the Neo's, soooooo......
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    Ok now for tire choice

    Have 1 of each in 2.1, Neo up front Nev in back? or Vice versa? FS or HT's, whatcha running?

    Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47
    Have 1 of each in 2.1, Neo up front Nev in back? or Vice versa? FS or HT's, whatcha running?

    Thanks in advance.
    Hey Jeff. I'd recommend the Neo in the rear, and the Nev up front, specifically because I like having the DTC tread up front, and the faster roller in the rear where it helps the most.
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    Test ride

    Quote Originally Posted by Entrenador
    Hey Jeff. I'd recommend the Neo in the rear, and the Nev up front, specifically because I like having the DTC tread up front, and the faster roller in the rear where it helps the most.
    Partial one anyway. Nothin to put on the Alex rim since I had the shop temporarily install the Nev on my geared back wheel (per my request as it is slightly smaller diameter then the Neo) to check how it mounted vs the Neo. So I thru my Ne0/WTB Laser rim setup that was built for the fs rig up front on the SS today for a cherry breakin' 650B spin around Annadel. Really impressed. Rolled awesome over things. Or could just be the "new love" feeling. Can't wait till I take them for a spin on the fs rig when that's finally adjusted. When the Wolverines become available in April though they will go fr and rr on FS, these will be for the ss and ht bikes. Good call on the permanent placement combo for these tires Josh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47
    Partial one anyway. Nothin to put on the Alex rim since I had the shop temporarily install the Nev on my geared back wheel (per my request as it is slightly smaller diameter then the Neo) to check how it mounted vs the Neo. So I thru my Ne0/WTB Laser rim setup that was built for the fs rig up front on the SS today for a cherry breakin' 650B spin around Annadel. Really impressed. Rolled awesome over things. Or could just be the "new love" feeling. Can't wait till I take them for a spin on the fs rig when that's finally adjusted. When the Wolverines become available in April though they will go fr and rr on FS, these will be for the ss and ht bikes. Good call on the permanent placement combo for these tires Josh.
    I might be joining you in the 'save 650mtB' movement here. Just got an 05 rockhopper with oodles of rear clearance, so if it's a good fit (need a bit of time in the saddle to be sure), I'll go see Scott about a rear wheel. He build my front a few years ago and I've never trued it since.

    April for the wolverines, eh? Pretty sure I ran into a guy at West Point Inn with them, but maybe the were the 26" version.
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    What I've heard

    Quote Originally Posted by Entrenador
    April for the wolverines, eh? Pretty sure I ran into a guy at West Point Inn with them, but maybe the were the 26" version.
    Been trying to get some 650's for over a couple months and recently had conversation w/ WTB reps not being able to say exactly why they dropped off stocking.

    I have the 26's. You should get it in a 29r and try it on the front of your rigid bike. I know you'll like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47
    Been trying to get some 650's for over a couple months and recently had conversation w/ WTB reps not being able to say exactly why they dropped off stocking.

    I have the 26's. You should get it in a 29r and try it on the front of your rigid bike. I know you'll like it.
    I just rolled my 26" Wolverine on the front of my hard tail today, and man -- it rooooollllls! Should be pretty nice for Sea Otter I'd think. A 650b version would fit nicely on the spectrum between the RR and the Neo. On my rigid 29, I'm pretty happy with the Rampage, but when it gives up the ghost, I'll be picking up a fatty Bontrager from Scott at Endless Cycles.
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    Hi!
    Can someone confirm that 650b XD-lites are 27/21mm wide? 26" and 29" version is just 18mm wide so I'm curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koen View Post
    Hi!
    Can someone confirm that 650b XD-lites are 27/21mm wide? 26" and 29" version is just 18mm wide so I'm curious.
    Definitely not 27/21. It is 18mm intermal on the XD Lites. The interal on my Crest is 21ish.

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    Thanks for quick reply. According to one german store these rims are 27/21mm wide and weight 510g so I'll ask them to check this out.

    Update: nevermind, there are another 650b rims from Alex called SX44 and these dimensions fit them. They are listed as "Alexrims MTB 650B Cross Country Felge" and exact model name is not specified so I got confused.
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