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    Quote Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    Well, it voids the warranty.
    Not according to Ibis. I asked just last week.

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    Opinions about a 32 mm stanchion 650b fork for aggressive trail riding and east coast enduro? I've currently got a Lyrik on my HD with 26" Flows, but think its probably more fork than I need. I weigh ~180#.

    Am converting my HD to 650b and leaning towards getting a 650b-specific fork, but can't decide which to consider. Don't think I need a 36 Vengeance, don't really want a 34 Float, not sure whether to wait for a 34 Slant. Would a 32 Revelation or a 32 Velvet be stout enough?

    650b HD riders on 32 forks, how satisfied have you been?

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    Have you looked at the Magura TS8 150mm 650b fork. It's reportedly less than 4lbs. & very stiff due to the double wheel arch. Read the write-ups on MTBR, Mtn Bike Action, etc. I also think you'll want a 150mm over a 140mm.

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    White Brothers Loop is another option. Travel is adjustable internally 150, 140, 130, etc. Right about 4 lbs and pretty dam stiff for a 32mm fork.
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    I have a 32mm 650 Revelation on my mojo HD140 set at 150mm travel. I can only compare this to the fork I had on it before...a 135mm White Brothers Fluid 650B which was also a 32mm stanchion. The revelation is abt .5lbs lighter with 15mm more travel and it is just as stiff as the fluid 650B. My other fork on my P29er is also 32mm stanchion so I don't have any experience on 34 or 36mm forks.

    i weigh abt 190.

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    Ibis Mojo HD 650B

    Just finished up my Ibis Mojo 650B 160. I have nothing but great thigs to say about this build, and would recommend it to anyone think of building a 650b mojo!650b Mojo HD ... Heavy Duty-ibis-mojo-650-1.jpg650b Mojo HD ... Heavy Duty-ibis-mojo-650-2.jpg650b Mojo HD ... Heavy Duty-ibis-mojo-650-3.jpg650b Mojo HD ... Heavy Duty-ibis-mojo-650-5.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by red bank rider View Post
    Wouldn't that be "add 0.75"??

    So 13.5"(for HD140) + 0.75" = 14.25"??

    Why only 1/2 inch for you? Are the Nobby Nics considerably smaller than 27.5"?
    650b tires on average are shorter than 27.5" and 26" tires on average are bigger than 26".
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    Thanks for the good feedback on 32 forks. I'll give the Loop a closer look, I've heard good things about it too.

    Anyone else?

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    I would wait for the Slant. IMHO, the HD deserves the 34mm stanchions. You do not want a great stiff frame with a noodly fork. Your Lyrik will get you acceptable clearance for up to 2.3 Neo Moto and when the Slant is out, you will be able to upgrade to large 2.35 and 2.4 tires.

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    I guess I've kind of become a Rock Shox guy again.... a 32mm fork from them should be noticeably stiffer than a comparable Fox.

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    Hi Agledhill

    I am getting a HD in about two weeks and a big concern of mine is if the 650b conversion will work. I have been reading some of the posts here and have seen
    that the rear shocks travel has to be reduced to 140mm to prevent seat post rub. That
    there are only certain tires that will fit. Were you able to keep your rear travel at 160mm and not have the tire hit the seat tube. I love the bike, but want the option of the 27.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf1 View Post
    Hi Agledhill

    I am getting a HD in about two weeks and a big concern of mine is if the 650b conversion will work. I have been reading some of the posts here and have seen
    that the rear shocks travel has to be reduced to 140mm to prevent seat post rub. That
    there are only certain tires that will fit. Were you able to keep your rear travel at 160mm and not have the tire hit the seat tube. I love the bike, but want the option of the 27.5.
    I am currently running the rear shock with shims in it to prevent the rear tire from hitting the seat tube. It's really easy to do and if you do a google search you can find out how to do it. I am also running a nobby nic 2.25 rear tire with no rubbing issues. I love this bike at 650b and don't even ride my others anymore. 650b on this bike is the way to go!

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    650b Mojo HD ... Heavy Duty

    Guys - what's the Bottom Bracket height after the 650b conversion in HD140 mode?
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    I just measured mine with the new 650b revelation fork at 150mm and 2.3 neo moto tires. To the
    Dead center middle of bb, unsagged is 13.75"

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    Quote Originally Posted by red bank rider View Post
    I just measured mine with the new 650b revelation fork at 150mm and 2.3 neo moto tires. To the
    Dead center middle of bb, unsagged is 13.75"
    Interesting. The Ibis site lists the HD140 at 13.5" with a 150mm fork. Add 650B wheels it should be 14"
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Interesting. The Ibis site lists the HD140 at 13.5" with a 150mm fork. Add 650B wheels it should be 14"

    Interesting indeed. I was shocked I measured it three times just to make sure. Perhaps it's the Fox that Ibis uses which normally has a higher a2c . Maybe Neo moto tires might be a bit smaller. Either way, I think this is a good thing for bottom bracket height.

    Edit: tires are at 22psi when measured. You can almost reach 14" if you goto 30.
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    StiHacka - Any feedback on how it handles with the BB at this height? What travel are you running the rear shock and front fork at? How's the Trail Taker as a front tire?

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    30-ish pounds with pedals now. 1x10 Type 2 X.9, Bling Ring, Vengeance HLR Air, TrailTaker 2.4 and NoNi 2.25.



    For those interested in BB height, look at Ibis site, find the geometry info, add 1/2" for 650b wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seleniak View Post
    StiHacka - Any feedback on how it handles with the BB at this height? What travel are you running the rear shock and front fork at? How's the Trail Taker as a front tire?
    Hi Shane,

    I like it a lot. I ride mostly technical trails in New England and a bit higher BB is not a bad thing here. My setup is 160mm front (XFusion Vengeance 2013) and 160mm rear (Avalanche DHX 5) with a 1/8" spacer. I need to spend more time on the TT to be able to give you my verdict but so far I have been pretty happy with it. The bike eats chunk without hesitation and climbs very steep technical climbs with ease. I am the most limiting factor, no doubt about that.

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    Has anyone tried 650B NN 2.35 on a Gen HD140? I have them on my Carbine 275 and they barely clear. FYI I am a former HD owner that misses his bike and am thinking of going back to a Mojo HD and converting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasinoKiD View Post
    Has anyone tried 650B NN 2.35 on a Gen HD140? I have them on my Carbine 275 and they barely clear. FYI I am a former HD owner that misses his bike and am thinking of going back to a Mojo HD and converting it.
    See Grams Light Bikes - Mountain Bike and Gear Reviews, and News: Schwalbe Nobby Nic 650B Review

    I just returned from my first ride on Hans Dampf 2.25 Trailstar w/ Snakeskin and I think you would like that tire a lot, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    See Grams Light Bikes - Mountain Bike and Gear Reviews, and News: Schwalbe Nobby Nic 650B Review

    I just returned from my first ride on Hans Dampf 2.25 Trailstar w/ Snakeskin and I think you would like that tire a lot, too.

    Can you take a pic of the rear tire clearance on the HD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasinoKiD View Post
    Has anyone tried 650B NN 2.35 on a Gen HD140? I have them on my Carbine 275 and they barely clear. FYI I am a former HD owner that misses his bike and am thinking of going back to a Mojo HD and converting it.
    Well, I have to ask....brand new Carbine (for sale apparently) and you want to go back to the Mojo HD. What didn't you like about the Carbine or more what is it about the Mojo that makes you want to go back?

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Well, I have to ask....brand new Carbine (for sale apparently) and you want to go back to the Mojo HD. What didn't you like about the Carbine or more what is it about the Mojo that makes you want to go back?

    Thanks
    To me the HD climbed, descended, cornered and looks way sexier than the Carbine. I just found myself more comfortable on that bike more than any other biked I've owned. After looking at the rear tire clearance of my Carbine I realize I just could have kept the Mojo HD and converted it. Take a look at the pic below...
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    650b Mojo HD ... Heavy Duty

    Quote Originally Posted by hmarquardt View Post
    I've been reading these 650b Ibis forums with great interest for 6 months. After 4 years of riding my 1st generation Mojo I decided to upgrade & build out a 650b Ibis. I've ridden an HD 140mm & a SL with a 650b front wheel with Fox 150mm 26" fork. I know, Not Recommended! I have a friend who was experimenting & I got to ride along to gather data.
    I bought a never built SL size large & have been gathering XT Dyna Sys drivetrain parts, etc. for the build. My plan is to use a Magura TS8 650b 150mm front fork(must have a 1 1/8" straight steerer) and leave the rear wheel as a 26"er. I loved the slacker HeadTube angle on the HD & am thinkin' the 650b fork & wheel will be the perfect way to slacken the HT angle of the SL, while keeping it lighter & more CC/AM like. We'll see .............
    Wil be starting the build soon & will contribute again with photos & ride info.
    Good for you. It's gonna rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasinoKiD View Post
    Can you take a pic of the rear tire clearance on the HD?
    I posted a few pics here: HK - Forums • View topic - Sti's random 650b / 27.5" thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Is that clearance pic of a HD 140 or 160?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasinoKiD View Post
    Is that clearance pic of a HD 140 or 160?
    HD160 but there is no difference between the two in that spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    HD160 but there is no difference between the two in that spot.
    Thx, now if I have any luck I can get rid of my Carbine frame.

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    Just finished my dream HD build. This thing loves the chunk... Glad to see the 2.25 Hans fits in the rear. That will be my next tire.

    Crappy pic
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    This may sound really stupid...but how would I shim a fox rc4 coil to work in 160? Googled it and no luck....are there any tyres that would render this unneccesary?

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    Like this? Mine is an Avy DHX5 but it should work the same with RC4.


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    650b Mojo HD ... Heavy Duty

    Hey StiHacka, was that you talking about putting 2.25 Hans Dampf on the back of your bike? Wondering if it would fit on an SL. The 27.5 Tire Reference thread has it smaller than a Neo Moto, but I'd like a second opinion.

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    I'll get you some measurements later today. Yes, the HD 2.25 is relatively small and I happen to have both a HD 2.25 and a Neo Moto 2.3 aired.

    Edit: The HD is not as wide as the NM (~2.2 vs. 2.3+ max width with knobs), but the HD is a little taller, approx by about 1/8" (the wheel is ~1/4" taller). I have the HD on a wider rim so that can make a small difference, too.
    Last edited by StiHacka; 05-25-2013 at 10:56 AM.

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    650b Mojo HD ... Heavy Duty

    Hmmm. 1/8" taller than a Neo probably means alot of rubbing on a SL

    Thanks for the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    Hey StiHacka, was that you talking about putting 2.25 Hans Dampf on the back of your bike? Wondering if it would fit on an SL. The 27.5 Tire Reference thread has it smaller than a Neo Moto, but I'd like a second opinion.
    Here's a third opinion:
    Schwalbe, Hans Dampf (27.5x2.25) Crest: 27.75x2.25
    Pacenti, NeoMoto (27.5x2.3) Flow EX: 27.56 x 2.41

    From my updated table at: 27.5 Tire Size Reference (Post #24).

    Consistent with StiHacka.

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    New tire on my HD - Wild Grip'r 2.25 Advanced in the rear. It is a very tight fit, the Grip'r is huge for a 2.25.

    Some more info about the tire is here: HK - Forums • View topic - Sti's random 650b / 27.5" thread



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    Thanks Sti and Lixxfe!

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    Nice

    Been waiting for the grip'r, where did you find them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Been waiting for the grip'r, where did you find them?
    BikeTiresDirect have them in stock: Search Results: 650b - BikeTiresDirect.com
    Their weight data is incorrect though, better follow the Michelin site for technical details.

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    Just go to 650b, that's awesome.


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    160 650 option

    Quote Originally Posted by lixxfe View Post
    Here's a third opinion:
    Schwalbe, Hans Dampf (27.5x2.25) Crest: 27.75x2.25
    Pacenti, NeoMoto (27.5x2.3) Flow EX: 27.56 x 2.41

    From my updated table at: 27.5 Tire Size Reference (Post #24).

    Consistent with StiHacka.
    Any of these work with a 160 unshimmed?
    I want to have the option of going back and forth between 26 and 650
    And so dont want to shim...thoughts?

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    Does anyone have ride experience on a 7.875"x2.25" shock (using 140 limbo chips)? I've seen Derby mention it a few times as a 150mm-ish travel lower-BB alternative to shimming a 160, but I'm curious who's actually tried it and what they've thought.

    Right now I'm on a HD140 with the 650b Rev and the stock RP23. I'm seriously considering a Vector Air, but that's not something I'd want to order without making sure I'm decided on what size. I've spent about 6 months on my current setup, loving it. I came from an SL and haven't spent any real time on an HD160 of either wheel size.

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    maybe a stupid question, but Im new to this 650 stuff and I read the whole thread but found no convincing info about this: can a I run a 27.5 tire on a 26" float 36 160mm fork??
    Thanks in advance!

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    Yes, many rider post reports in other threads, such as the Forks sticky, that the Fox 36 arch and crown at bottom travel have plenty of tire clearance at with 650b tires of any size available now.

    It is only the 32mm and maybe 34mm 26" Fox forks which have crown rub issues at bottom travel with larger volume 650b tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianthom View Post
    Any of these work with a 160 unshimmed?
    I want to have the option of going back and forth between 26 and 650
    And so dont want to shim...thoughts?
    I can't answer your question, but I can say that adding / removing the shim is so fast and easy that I wouldn't let it stop you from running whatever tire you want to run.... all you've got to do is let the air out of your shock, unscrew the air can by hand, snap the shims off by hand, screw the can back on and air it back up...... 3 minutes, no tools other than the shock pump. Also, you're unlikely to notice the few mm of travel you've lost if you prefer to just leave the shim in there when going back to 26". That's what I've been doing lately because the bike still feels great with the slightly reduced travel.
    It's definitely nice to be able to drop the bb, slacken the angles, and have big-ass 26" tire on a burly wheel when conditions warrant it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    I can't answer your question, but I can say that adding / removing the shim is so fast and easy that I wouldn't let it stop you from running whatever tire you want to run.... all you've got to do is let the air out of your shock, unscrew the air can by hand, snap the shims off by hand, screw the can back on and air it back up...... 3 minutes, no tools other than the shock pump. Also, you're unlikely to notice the few mm of travel you've lost if you prefer to just leave the shim in there when going back to 26". That's what I've been doing lately because the bike still feels great with the slightly reduced travel.

    It's definitely nice to be able to drop the bb, slacken the angles, and have big-ass 26" tire on a burly wheel when conditions warrant it.
    Im running a coil though...how is the process for that?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianthom View Post
    Im running a coil though...how is the process for that?!
    Simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Simple.
    Cool...ummmm so sorry for my ignorance, but what is the process for gettng a "shim" on a coil....and where would I get one?!

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    650b Mojo HD ... Heavy Duty

    You can find nylon washers at the hardware store with an Inside diameter the same or slightly smaller than the shaft on your shock..... 3/8 ID washers are perfect for a 10mm shock shaft..... Just snip them so you can get them onto the shaft. Or you can cut them out of any readily available plastic...Derby used a milk carton I believe. He started an excellent thread on the subject a couple years ago shimming a coil shock for his std Mojo 650b conversion. Search for that.

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