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    650b Hard Tail

    I want to try 650b XC in HT form for a while. I want an inexpensive frame, possibly something available used to build up/move parts to. I would like geometry built around a 120mm fork so I can use my current FOX shock.

    I really like the Lynskey Pro650 but they are way to proud to be asking 2k for a frame.

    Any suggestions for well built 650 frame that's not astronomical in price? Looking to spend around 500 (plus or minus a little) for the frame.
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    I'm toying with the idea of selling my Jamis Nemesis frame. It's a 19" and is in superb condition. Price sounds about right. PM if interested.

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    Soma B-side is in that price range.

    Sixfifty Tomah is aluminum for 400 bucks.

    Also the Chinese carbon 650b frames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    I'm toying with the idea of selling my Jamis Nemesis frame. It's a 19" and is in superb condition. Price sounds about right. PM if interested.
    I'll do a little research on the Jamis and PM you,
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    Jamis Dragon 650b gets my vote. It is designed around a 120mm fork (their complete bike is offered with a White Brothers Loop 120mm fork). Reynolds 853 frame rides great. I'm lovin' mine.

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    Not 120 Geo

    Quote Originally Posted by TysonTy1 View Post
    I want to try 650b XC in HT form for a while. I want an inexpensive frame, possibly something available used to build up/move parts to. I would like geometry built around a 120mm fork so I can use my current FOX shock.

    I really like the Lynskey Pro650 but they are way to proud to be asking 2k for a frame.

    Any suggestions for well built 650 frame that's not astronomical in price? Looking to spend around 500 (plus or minus a little) for the frame.
    But this is getting more ride time then our sister bikes!!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 650b Hard Tail-motowolverine.jpg  

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    The On One Whippet or 456 may be a good choice if you want carbon at your pricepoint.

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    Steelbike - Soma looks to be designed for a 80mm fork (never like the looks of the Somas) The Tomah looks like a nice frame and would fit my current goods....have to look at this option a little more.

    HKMEUP - Ya the Dragon would be my #1 choice but I can't find a frame only option either new or used.

    JMAC - Can you give me more details...frame, fork, etc?
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    It's my several year old 26" Motobecane SuperFly (one of the first I played around with 650's on)100mm RL fork. I've also had them on a steel Voodoo Bizango. You can easily drop the fork down in travel on the one you have I would think. I'm running my Float 130 at 100 on the Ventana.
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    What do you all think about the Voodoo Bokor.



    I have never run a bike that's SS/Geared. Will the Geared adapters hold up to XC pretty well vs typical vertical dropouts?
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    They should, those look like modified Paragon Sliders or is there a different set of dropouts for running it SS?
    My Kona Kula 2-9 had something similar to the ones on that VooDoo that worked ss/geared, but were more horizontal then semi-vertical.
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    Well i actually like my Cannondale Trail SL a lot, it's cheap and the max AC is 500mm so a 120mm is fine, it takes 2.25 tires with room and you can squeeze a 2.3 if mud isn't a problem. I was going to sell it but it works really well in 650b.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    Well i actually like my Cannondale Trail SL a lot, it's cheap and the max AC is 500mm so a 120mm is fine, it takes 2.25 tires with room and you can squeeze a 2.3 if mud isn't a problem. I was going to sell it but it works really well in 650b.
    Would you happen to have pics of that rear 650B on that frame?
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    The 2.25'' ? Nop just with a Quasi-Moto 2.0 but the difference isn't that much and before i put the quasi in there i tried the RaRa and it fitted without any problems. See this here -> http://forums.mtbr.com/650b/my-list-...ml#post9099823

    It has ~15mm to the seat tube and ~8mm each side from knobs to seat stay/chain stay, this with a Quasi and Crests.

    EDIT:

    Looking at Shiggy's numbers, you can fit a Neo-Moto 2.3 in there if you don't mid the mud clearance ( ~1mm to spare ) but a Navegal will probably rub the seat/chainstays.
    I'm eagerly waiting for the Vee Rubber Mission 2.3 to be available, looking at those knobs it will probably be an awesome rear tire for trail in this frame.
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    You can use a 26incher aluminium Scott Scale (2012), they are not expensive and lots of used bikes can be found (Scale70-40).

    I have posted pictures of my Scale 60 in the 650 pricture thread. The bb sits at 12.1 inch, Actionsport wheels N-light, CL25 rims with Racing Ralphs 2.25's.

    650B Picture Thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    The 2.25'' ? Nop just with a Quasi-Moto 2.0 but the difference isn't that much and before i put the quasi in there i tried the RaRa and it fitted without any problems. See this here -> http://forums.mtbr.com/650b/my-list-...ml#post9099823

    It has ~15mm to the seat tube and ~8mm each side from knobs to seat stay/chain stay, this with a Quasi and Crests.

    EDIT:

    Looking at Shiggy's numbers, you can fit a Neo-Moto 2.3 in there if you don't mid the mud clearance ( ~1mm to spare ) but a Navegal will probably rub the seat/chainstays.
    I'm eagerly waiting for the Vee Rubber Mission 2.3 to be available, looking at those knobs it will probably be an awesome rear tire for trail in this frame.
    Wow, that's lots of clearance. Looks like a Neo 2.1 would fit no problem
    Time to look for a 2nd hand Trail SL frame for sale...
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    Wow, that's lots of clearance. Looks like a Neo 2.1 would fit no problem
    Time to look for a 2nd hand Trail SL frame for sale...
    I was a bit surprised when I tried to fit the 2.25 RaRa in there and saw that it had lots of space. The frame is fairly light ( my Medium weighted 1550g ), the BB is 0.5" lower than the Flash so with the conversion you still end up with a low BB and you probably can buy one used for $200 or so.

    The only problem is that with >2010 you are stuck with Cannondale headsets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    But this is getting more ride time then our sister bikes!!
    650's fit on a Moto frame?
    Remember when we were kids and our Mom's said we could not play in the mud? I'm making up for it now!!

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    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by ProfGumby View Post
    650's fit on a Moto frame?
    Room even with WTB 2.2 Wolverines. Bike is front der equipped now too with no clearence issues.

    Also had them on my steel VooDoo Bizango as well.
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    Despite On one's asinine opinion about 650b, I still think 456C is a pretty good choice. It has enough clearance even for the largest 650b tires.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Room even with WTB 2.2 Wolverines. Bike is front der equipped now too with no clearence issues.

    Also had them on my steel VooDoo Bizango as well.
    What year HT is that Moto in the pic above? That's interesting! I emailed them about when they'd offer a 650, and here is the beginning of that response from Chris @ Bikes Direct...

    "Hello,

    We do not expect a 650b bike until 2014, there is not enough clearance on any 26er to fit 650's."


    I wonder if specs changed since 2011?
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    Got it new from BD around '03 I can't remember exactly.
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    Apparently Kona is coming out with a 650B Explosif steel hardtail
    that will also be available as a frame.
    Might be a good alternative to the Jamis Dragon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lookiel View Post
    Apparently Kona is coming out with a 650B Explosif steel hardtail
    that will also be available as a frame.
    Might be a good alternative to the Jamis Dragon.
    Frame only for $500. No hard geometry #'s yet so I've asked for those.

    From Kona

    "The frame will be raw steel with a phosphate dip and clearcoat over the top.The specs will be similar to the Honzo. Rear wheel has sliders and is 135x10. 44mm headtube drawn around the external lower cup so you can run a tapered fork".
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Frame only for $500. No hard geometry #'s yet so I've asked for those.

    From Kona

    "The frame will be raw steel with a phosphate dip and clearcoat over the top.The specs will be similar to the Honzo. Rear wheel has sliders and is 135x10. 44mm headtube drawn around the external lower cup so you can run a tapered fork".

    this sounds promising!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Despite On one's asinine opinion about 650b, I still think 456C is a pretty good choice. It has enough clearance even for the largest 650b tires.

    Wow that color really pops!
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSE View Post
    You can use a 26incher aluminium Scott Scale (2012), they are not expensive and lots of used bikes can be found (Scale70-40).

    I have posted pictures of my Scale 60 in the 650 pricture thread. The bb sits at 12.1 inch, Actionsport wheels N-light, CL25 rims with Racing Ralphs 2.25's.

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    Nice. I'm considering setting mine up as a 1by as well (currently rigid, but SS).
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Just picked up this one off e-bay for a good price. It's a size 20 and called a Superfly 1-25 (not even sure what 1-25 means). Year is unknown but seems fairly recent.

    I am using IRD FIREXC 2.1's which are significantly smaller tires then my previous Neo-Moto 2.1's but there is still plenty of clearance for a bigger tire.

    If I decide to keep it I will sand the frame a little and coat it with some flat black. Maybe add some custom 650B stickers to support the cause.









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    Nice find! If it's the same frame configuration as my Superfly (pretty sure it is) in my first post on here you can run 2.2 Wolverines!!
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    Jmac, at 100 bucks for the frame its worth at least trying out for a while. Saw it on ebay and remembered seeing yours. Just rode around neighborhood so far. Fit and geo feels.good. I'll try it out on the trails tomorrow.

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    $100 wow what a find. I had been on the lookout for one of those frames earlier this year but gave up. Curious to see how you think it rides.

    Also like to hear about how those XC Pro tires are in general, might want to try one on back of my converted fs for a little more clearrnce this winter.
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    I ran the panaracer firexc's on 26 turner for years and loved them. The 650 by ird are the same exact tire, even says made by panarcer on the tire. They are a nice small tire with lots of grip for xc. They have a suprisingly low rolling restinance yet the best cornerinig I could find. Best all around tire for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSE View Post
    You can use a 26incher aluminium Scott Scale (2012), they are not expensive and lots of used bikes can be found (Scale70-40).

    I have posted pictures of my Scale 60 in the 650 pricture thread. The bb sits at 12.1 inch, Actionsport wheels N-light, CL25 rims with Racing Ralphs 2.25's.

    Br Peter
    Hi Peter. Great looking bike! What's the A-C on your carbon fork? The 12.1" BB height sounds good, but I'm curious how much that would change with a 100mm travel fork.
    Thanks.
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    If you're looking to go ultra budget the Sette Reken can take a 650B wheel and sells for $120 at PricePoint.

    There are a few threads floating around here from people who have put 650's onto that frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    $100 wow what a find. I had been on the lookout for one of those frames earlier this year but gave up. Curious to see how you think it rides.

    Also like to hear about how those XC Pro tires are in general, might want to try one on back of my converted fs for a little more clearrnce this winter.
    Rode pretty well up until I wiped out and threw my shoulder out, went to the er and I separated my AC joint . Be in a sling for a while and off to the surgeon this week. On a positive note the frame felt good when it was under me and not flying over my head :sly:


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    WTH? Ti is suppose to be forgiving!! Dam that's a bummer dude. A ride buddy did that same injury not too long ago. Heal up and surf the forum!!
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