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    27.5 All Mountain Bike Shootout

    All Mountain Bike Shootout. We're waiting for all the bikes to arrive but we're riding and jumping these bikes now.
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    Which bikes are you testing?

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    Looks like fun, if you need an extra testor send a couple bikes my way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    All Mountain Bike Shootout. We're waiting for all the bikes to arrive but we're riding and jumping these bikes now.
    Please tell me that the 2013 RM Altitude is on the list!
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Jamis, intense, norco in house.

    Scott, Rocky Mountain, khs coming.

    Turner is being redesigned and due in Dec.
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    and you are throwing the 650 blur TRc in there right? Be pretty cool to see how a conversion compares to a dedicated set-up.

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    Excellent! Very interested in your findings.

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    Subbin. Excited to hear of the results!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayoutside View Post
    and you are throwing the 650 blur TRc in there right? Be pretty cool to see how a conversion compares to a dedicated set-up.
    I can see arguments either way as to whether this shoot out should be purpose built only or should include conversions. If the SC is allowed in, then StiHacka's Mojo HD for sure should be too given his enthusiastic reviews. Though I had thought Ibis was going to sell a purpose built.


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    If I am not mistaken that is Pastajet in one of the pictures above. He is the best person to report how he likes them new bikes compared to his Mojo HD!

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    The bike classes are starting to blur...

    Sorry for that.

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    The bike classes are starting to blur...

    Sorry for that. Looking forward to the comparison.

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    My son normally rides a Blur TRc but he is loving the Norco Sight 650b. It is a very easy bike to ride well.

    He is big for 12 yrs old. Size is medium. With this bike he has schooled his teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    My son normally rides a Blur TRc but he is loving the Norco Sight 650b. It is a very easy bike to ride well.

    He is big for 12 yrs old. Size is medium. With this bike he has schooled his teacher.
    Strong kid, nice looking bike.

    If he is schooling you now, he will put you in the hospital in 2 years .

    It is a bittersweet thing in a man's life when the torch is passed to his son. Pride competing with sense of mortality
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Strong kid, nice looking bike.

    If he is schooling you now, he will put you in the hospital in 2 years .

    It is a bittersweet thing in a man's life when the torch is passed to his son. Pride competing with sense of mortality
    Yep, we hit the crossroads three years ahead of schedule. He is out jumping me now and it all happened in the past two months. He discovered dropping posts too and he won't ride without one again.

    Anyway, back on topic, he is dialed on this Norco both up and down and I don't think that's possible with a 29er.

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    Mojo HD 140 should be part of this as it's certified by Ibis now and sets a very high bar.

    Ventana Zeus should be in there somehow someway

    Ring up Knolly for a pre production 650 Endorphin and Banshee for the all new 650 Spitfire Ok, that might not be possible but they're both coming soon and I can wish

    This should be good and Francois, make sure you ride these bikes in some serious rocks gardens as the new love for low BB = lots of pedal hit if you live in those conditions like New England. 13.3" BB on the Norco is disturbing IMO.
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    Please include some new tires in these tests... w/ good volume! (as they become available)

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    SHould be interesting

    I tried the Tracer 275 and liked it much better than my tracer 29; I'd like to see it compared to the Foes F275 as well, I'm on the waiting list at Foes for a test ride when they build a demo bike. Very interested in the revised Burner as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowrider View Post
    I tried the Tracer 275 and liked it much better than my tracer 29; I'd like to see it compared to the Foes F275 as well, I'm on the waiting list at Foes for a test ride when they build a demo bike. Very interested in the revised Burner as well.
    We're getting the Foes F275. And I have a Blur TRc 650b Conversion. I'm sure I can get a Mojo HD 650b.

    For tires, I have all cool Schwalbe's now. Rocket Ron, Nobby Nic, Hans Dampf.
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    I'm liking my trailstars that's for sure, still need to try the Hans Dampf... and the new Wild Grip'r looks good

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    Very cool

    Looking forward to the comparo, particularly the Tracer and Foes 275
    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    We're getting the Foes F275. And I have a Blur TRc 650b Conversion. I'm sure I can get a Mojo HD 650b.

    For tires, I have all cool Schwalbe's now. Rocket Ron, Nobby Nic, Hans Dampf.
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    Francois - maybe cross post shoot out in AM forum?


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    Sub'd. Waiting to hear how the Burner compares.
    Killing it with close inspection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post
    Sub'd. Waiting to hear how the Burner compares.
    The Burner is one of the best as I've tried it in Vegas Outdoor Demo. It handles like a champ with it's low CG. 67.5 degree head angle I believe. It didn't have too much travel at 130mm I believe but it used it well. It was plush but it climbed well, even out of saddle with the DW Link rear end.

    However, Dave Turner sent me a note that they have decided to redesign the frame after Outerbike (or Turner User demo) in Utah since it was just a bit too low for broad appeal to users and other regions. So, it will be a while. He may get a bike to me or other media by December.

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    Speaking of the Burner what's the deal with this redesign?

    Outerbike (Intebike?) had mention from Turner that it was actually in production

    Let me guess...he's gonna lower the BB even more
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    He could have built two versions - a Low Burner and a High Burner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Dave Turner sent me a note that they have decided to redesign the frame after Outerbike (or Turner User demo) in Utah since it was just a bit too low for broad appeal to users and other regions. So, it will be a while. He may get a bike to me or other media by December.

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    So this is what I see after I post my low BB smack at Turner

    Hmmm, really good news IMO and glad to see it. DW Link anti squat can only do so much. I think the Burner was sporting a 13" BB or close to it. Crazy for a 140mm bike
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    Francois - how will the riders be rating the bikes?

    I read the equipment review in the ski mags, and though they can be bogus , the idea is to list a few categories of performance and rate the ski on a 1 -5 scale in each category Then average the results for overall winners.

    For bikes, I can think of a few, such as: climbing, descending, cornering, maneuverability in singletrack, ease of airing, general flickability/handling.

    You would have to ride the same trails and control for tires and tire widths.

    Anybody think this is a good/bad idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    He could have built two versions - a Low Burner and a High Burner.
    Or made had some sort of adjustment, a la the RM.

    I might suggest including a well reputed 26" AM/trailbike in the shootout (sooo MBA) as a control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    He could have built two versions - a Low Burner and a High Burner.
    Now it's going to be called the After Burner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    He could have built two versions - a Low Burner and a High Burner.
    Under rated post.

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    Apparently the first shocks that were on Vegas Burner was too firm and got changed out w/ proper tune..

    Maybe couple shocks need to be tried on each of these new frames as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lml427 View Post
    Now it's going to be called the After Burner.
    Turner really did make a model called the Afterburner in the late 90's. 5" travel DH bike.
    The glass is twice as large as it needs to be

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    Good idea

    I would like to see a point system for the various peramiters but rather than a 5 point scale more like a 50 point scale to seperate the ones that are closer, most 5 or even 10 point ratings can seperate nearly identical bikes too much; lets not get like the German magazines though.

    I read the equipment review in the ski mags, and though they can be bogus , the idea is to list a few categories of performance and rate the ski on a 1 -5 scale in each category Then average the results for overall winners.

    For bikes, I can think of a few, such as: climbing, descending, cornering, maneuverability in singletrack, ease of airing, general flickability/handling.

    You would have to ride the same trails and control for tires and tire widths.

    Anybody think this is a good/bad idea?[/QUOTE]

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    I'd like a comparison against a similar travel 26" and a similar travel 29er. Slack and 140/150mm plus. Start with the 26" and end with 29".

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    Are you going to review the Norco Range 650b?

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    Norco Range... not too much. I've ridden it 3x in Canada and Norco will be sending the Range to our Canadian writer, LeeL.

    But I do have the Sight and I will put different front shocks and rear shocks on it and it will be very close to the Range.

    One of our friends made a Norco Range video during the press announcement
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Speaking of the Burner what's the deal with this redesign?

    Outerbike (Intebike?) had mention from Turner that it was actually in production

    Let me guess...he's gonna lower the BB even more
    They finally have the new Geometry on the website.Looks about an inch longer in the wheelbase than the 5 spot. Finally some contemporary geometry from Turner. Maybe ibis and Santa Cruz may follow?

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    This would be incomplete without a review of Ventana's Zeus.
    I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    This would be incomplete without a review of Ventana's Zeus.

    No doubt. If Francois makes his way to SoCal he can use mine for he shoot out.
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    I'd be interested in seeing that comparo

    Since I cant make it up to Ventana to see how it differs from older Ventanas I've ridden along with the Foes, Turner and Intense Tracer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    My son normally rides a Blur TRc but he is loving the Norco Sight 650b. It is a very easy bike to ride well.

    He is big for 12 yrs old. Size is medium. With this bike he has schooled his teacher.
    I don't want to pre-empt the shootout, but I've got some questions about the Sight B.
    Would you happen to have the weight of the medium? How tall is your son? What stem length is he running on it? I'm 5'7" and going by just the numbers, I'd think the small would fit me.
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    I don't want to pre-empt the shootout, but I've got some questions about the Sight B.
    Would you happen to have the weight of the medium? How tall is your son? What stem length is he running on it? I'm 5'7" and going by just the numbers, I'd think the small would fit me.
    The Sight is 29.6 lbs bone stock without pedals. It has a chain an MRP chain guide and a Reverb dropping post and Hans Dampf tires.

    I changed the tires, saddle, cogset and got it down to 28 lbs.

    My son is 5'5" and I'm 5'8". It fits me perfect and it's just a hair big for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    They finally have the new Geometry on the website.Looks about an inch longer in the wheelbase than the 5 spot. Finally some contemporary geometry from Turner. Maybe ibis and Santa Cruz may follow?
    What do you consider to be "contemporary geometry"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    They finally have the new Geometry on the website.Looks about an inch longer in the wheelbase than the 5 spot. Finally some contemporary geometry from Turner. Maybe ibis and Santa Cruz may follow?
    Still listed with a 13" BB height

    What do you mean by "contemporary geometry"? Longer TT, reach, WB, etc???

    Also of note in the build sections are Stans Arch rims which aren't even available to my knowledge and 2.1 Nevegal tires F/B which seems odd for a bike like this and a longish 90mm stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    The Sight is 29.6 lbs bone stock without pedals. It has a chain an MRP chain guide and a Reverb dropping post and Hans Dampf tires.

    I changed the tires, saddle, cogset and got it down to 28 lbs.

    My son is 5'5" and I'm 5'8". It fits me perfect and it's just a hair big for him.
    There's something odd about the Norco Sight sizing. I rode a 2012 Sight out at Wilder Ranch for a couple of hours and felt like the large was a good fit for me at 5'10" while the medium felt a bit cramped. The ETT on the large was listed at 24.1", the medium was a bit over 23" and I usually like top tubes around 23-23.5". I also (very briefly) tested a medium Intense Carbine SL and medium Specialized SJ Evo Expert, both of which felt like perfect fits at 23.0" ETT and a large Ibis Mojo HD which felt slightly too large at 23.8".
    The glass is twice as large as it needs to be

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Still listed with a 13" BB height

    What do you mean by "contemporary geometry"? Longer TT, reach, WB, etc???

    Also of note in the build sections are Stans Arch rims which aren't even available to my knowledge and 2.1 Nevegal tires F/B which seems odd for a bike like this and a longish 90mm stem.
    DT said that the 13" BB height would be with short tires and that the full builds would ship with an 80mm stem.

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