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    2013 Kona Explosif 650b coming

    Anyone hear of Kona's soon to be released 650b Explosif? From what I've heard from a US Retailer, it's going to be based off of the 2012 Kona Steely. A Google search turns up some UK retailers with an image of a 2013 Kona Honzo photoshopped with an Explosif logo. I hope it's based on the Steely like I heard instead of the Honzo. I prefer the burlier build and the clearance of the rear yoke/chainstay. Here's an image taken from one of the retailers...

    Kona, Explosif 650 B 2013 Mountain Bike from only £1,499.00. Free UK Delivery | Wheelies
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    Quote Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    Anyone hear of Kona's soon to be released 650b Explosif? From what I've heard from a US Retailer, it's going to be based off of the 2012 Kona Steely. A Google search turns up some UK retailers with an image of a 2013 Kona Honzo photoshopped with an Explosif logo. I hope it's based on the Steely like I heard instead of the Honzo. I prefer the burlier build and the clearance of the rear yoke/chainstay. Here's an image taken from one of the retailers...

    Kona, Explosif 650 B 2013 Mountain Bike from only £1,499.00. Free UK Delivery | Wheelies
    OHmygosh!!! My dream hardtail is finally a reality!!!
    I've been wanting a Honzo 650B for the longest time!
    What a totally awesome way for Kona to break into 650B.
    Excellent find! Do keep us up-to-date on this

    edit: that's a Photoshopped 2012 Honzo
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    OHmygosh!!! My dream hardtail is finally a reality!!!
    I've been wanting a Honzo 650B for the longest time!
    What a totally awesome way for Kona to break into 650B.
    Excellent find! Do keep us up-to-date on this

    edit: that's a Photoshopped 2012 Honzo
    I share your enthusiasm, but I'm pretty sure it's 2013 Honzo. 2012 is blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    I share your enthusiasm, but I'm pretty sure it's 2013 Honzo. 2012 is blue.
    Not to split hairs, but they just changed the colour. The 2013 Honzo (gold) has a gusset on the seat tube.
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    The 1993 Explosif will also include 650b wheels, a Hite Rite, and a White Industries Limbo Spider.....

    Oh wait, wrong model year..
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixbikes View Post
    The 1993 Explosif will also include 650b wheels, a Hite Rite, and a White Industries Limbo Spider.....

    Oh wait, wrong model year..
    OMG, a Hite Rite in the wild. Had totally forgotten about those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    Not to split hairs, but they just changed the colour. The 2013 Honzo (gold) has a gusset on the seat tube.
    Touche'...I was so caught up on it being a Honzo, the frame differences slipped right by.

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    Kona hasn't had a production 650B bike yet...correct? This Honzo was not 650B so if a 650B comes out in 2013 it will be new for Kona to have 650B?

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    Quote Originally Posted by morkys View Post
    Kona hasn't had a production 650B bike yet...correct? This Honzo was not 650B so if a 650B comes out in 2013 it will be new for Kona to have 650B?
    correct!

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    Quote Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    Touche'...I was so caught up on it being a Honzo, the frame differences slipped right by.
    No worries mate
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    Specifications...

    Frame Material Kona Cromoly Butted
    Sizes 15", 17", 19", 21"
    Rear Shock N/A
    Fork RockShox Revelation RL 120mm Tapered w/15mm Axle
    Crankarms Sram X7 GXP
    Chainring ?? probably 36t?.
    B/B Sram X7 GXP
    Pedals Shimano M520 Clipless
    Chain Sram Powerchain 1031
    Freewheel Sram Powerglide 1030 11-36t 10spd
    F/D Sram X7
    R/D Sram X9
    Shifters Sram X7
    Brake Calipers Avid Elixir 5
    Front Brake Rotor Avid HS1 180mm
    Rear Brake Rotor Avid HS1 160mm
    Brake Levers Avid Elixir 5
    Headset ZST NO. 10/7B/44
    Handlebar Kona XC/BC Riser
    Stem Kona XC/Road
    Seatpost Kona Double Clamp w/offset
    Seat Clamp Kona Clamp
    Grips Kona Race Light Lock-on
    Saddle WTB Volt Comp
    Front Hub King Kong
    Rear Hub Formula
    Spokes Sanvik Stainless 15g fr/14g rr
    Rims WTB Speed Disc i23
    Front Tire Maxxis Ardent 650B 27.5x2.25"folding
    Rear Tire Maxxis CrossMark 650B 27.5x2.1" folding
    Paint Color Raw Steel with Orange & Black
    Extras N/A

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    Anyone know if it'll come with the sliding dropouts as shown in the pic above? If so, will it be available as a frame only or with a SS build?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveF View Post
    Anyone know if it'll come with the sliding dropouts as shown in the pic above? If so, will it be available as a frame only or with a SS build?
    It will have sliding dropouts.
    No SS build or frame that I heard of.

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    I don't know about the dropouts, but I'm hoping not. I did hear that it will be available as a frame only.

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    Heard back from Kona finally about this bike and here is the info...

    "The Explosif will be available to the US market. It is a late season arrival and we havenít published all of the specs yet. It will be trail geometry though, with a moderately slack head angle and short-ish stays. It will also be available as a frame only."

    Better yet....frame only $500

    Might just be my first HT
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Heard back from Kona finally about this bike and here is the info...

    "The Explosif will be available to the US market. It is a late season arrival and we havenít published all of the specs yet. It will be trail geometry though, with a moderately slack head angle and short-ish stays. It will also be available as a frame only."

    Better yet....frame only $500

    Might just be my first HT
    Good stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Heard back from Kona finally about this bike and here is the info...

    "The Explosif will be available to the US market. It is a late season arrival and we havenít published all of the specs yet. It will be trail geometry though, with a moderately slack head angle and short-ish stays. It will also be available as a frame only."

    Better yet....frame only $500

    Might just be my first HT
    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    Good stuff
    Good stuff indeed.

    Kona is killing it!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Might just be my first HT
    Now I feel old, when I started there wasn't even suspension forks...

    I've booked one, will be coming in march.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Heard back from Kona finally about this bike and here is the info...

    "The Explosif will be available to the US market. It is a late season arrival and we havenít published all of the specs yet. It will be trail geometry though, with a moderately slack head angle and short-ish stays. It will also be available as a frame only."

    Better yet....frame only $500

    Might just be my first HT
    Any photos from Kona yet? Frame color options?
    Thnx

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    Quote Originally Posted by elrancho66 View Post
    Any photos from Kona yet? Frame color options?
    Thnx
    I'm pumping for more details and color now as I want to pre-order a frame.

    I've got enough spare parts and 650 wheels kicking around that I should be able to build one of these pretty cheaply. Might just be a 9 speed with mechanical brakes but fine with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallain View Post
    Now I feel old, when I started there wasn't even suspension forks...
    Or disc brakes, reliable shifting, etc. etc.



    Things are good now, and it is hard to find "bad" bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elrancho66 View Post
    Any photos from Kona yet? Frame color options?
    Thnx
    Same colour as the Unit "Raw" with orange logo. Looks really good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombinate View Post
    OMG, a Hite Rite in the wild. Had totally forgotten about those.
    I have two, new in the package.

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    Darn. I was hoping it would be like the Explosif from a few years back... Built for 80mm forks and XC geometry. I think it fit 650b as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhound View Post
    Darn. I was hoping it would be like the Explosif from a few years back... Built for 80mm forks and XC geometry. I think it fit 650b as well.
    Emails I've exchanged with Kona said it will be more xc oriented:

    "We are making a 650B explosiveÖ it is quite a different beast from the Honzo, bit more XC. They are still finalizing some of the frame attrabutes as far as I know. "

    This was on 10/30/12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    Emails I've exchanged with Kona said it will be more xc oriented:

    "We are making a 650B explosiveÖ it is quite a different beast from the Honzo, bit more XC. They are still finalizing some of the frame attrabutes as far as I know. "

    This was on 10/30/12.
    Now that's disappointing
    I was hoping for a 650B Steely/Honzo.
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Now here's what I got from Kona recently

    "The Explosif will be available to the US market. It is a late season arrival and we havenít published all of the specs yet. It will be trail geometry though, with a moderately slack head angle and short-ish stays. It will also be available as a frame only."

    Hmmm, I'd be very happy with 68 degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    Now that's disappointing
    I was hoping for a 650B Steely/Honzo.
    +1

    Does that mean that the Jamis Dragon is still the closest thing?

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    Little more info I received today from Kona

    "The frame will be raw steel with a phosphate dip and clearcoat over the top.

    The specs will be similar to the Honzo. Rear wheel has sliders and is 135x10. 44mm headtube drawn around the external lower cup so you can run a tapered fork."


    Sounds good but still would like to see some solid #'s
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Little more info I received today from Kona

    "The frame will be raw steel with a phosphate dip and clearcoat over the top.

    The specs will be similar to the Honzo. Rear wheel has sliders and is 135x10. 44mm headtube drawn around the external lower cup so you can run a tapered fork."


    Sounds good but still would like to see some solid #'s
    What do "specs" mean, components? carabao's post says "more XC" and yet the specs will be similar to the Honzo?
    The piecemeal relase of info is excruciating!
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    What do "specs" mean, components? carabao's post says "more XC" and yet the specs will be similar to the Honzo?
    The piecemeal relase of info is excruciating!
    Yeah, mixed messages going on here and frustrating I don't really care about components as I just want the frame. I would like to see some real geometry #'s and mostly the HA.

    Guess I'll have to ask yet again
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Now here's what I got from Kona recently

    "The Explosif will be available to the US market. It is a late season arrival and we havenít published all of the specs yet. It will be trail geometry though, with a moderately slack head angle and short-ish stays. It will also be available as a frame only."

    Hmmm, I'd be very happy with 68 degrees.
    A 68-degree head angle sounds good
    As well as a 73-degree seat angle (at least) and 16.3" chain stays
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Bike is on web site now

    More details about the Exlosif 650B

    KONAWORLD

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    Awesome find Skidad No geo numbers yet, but looks like the offspring of a Steely and Honzo. I want!!!

    Looks like it has 2 bottle mounts, substantial HT length (presumably for front triangle stiffness), and a lighter tube set. I wish they went burlier and the Honzo gusset would've been nice.
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    Steely / Explosif comparison pics...
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 2013 Kona Explosif 650b coming-screen-shot-2012-12-17-7.56.57-am.jpg  

    Last edited by howard619; 12-17-2012 at 09:02 AM. Reason: correction

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    I just put down a deposit on one of these frames at my local shop. I can confirm the $500 frame-only option. The only other bit of info that I got that I hadn't seen mentioned yet is that it has a 31.6 seat tube - same as the honzo. Delivery is expected in March.

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    thanks joshboston. would you happen to know the ETT length on the 17" frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshboston View Post
    I just put down a deposit on one of these frames at my local shop. I can confirm the $500 frame-only option..... Delivery is expected in March.
    Hopefully the bicycle gods will be smiling on me and my LBS will give me similar news when I contact them today. The big appeal here for me besides the steel frame is the 44mm headtube which means I can finally stop avoiding tapered forks.

    I guess my Voodoo Bokor will be going on the auction block really soon....
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    16.5-17.2 stays 12.1bb,73/68,15=22.5,17=23.5,18=24,19=24.5,21=25.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRR View Post
    16.5-17.2 stays 12.1bb,73/68,15=22.5,17=23.5,18=24,19=24.5,21=25.5
    Cool
    How'd you come by those numbers? Do you work for Kona? (pardon my ignorance if you do)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRR View Post
    16.5-17.2 stays 12.1bb,73/68,15=22.5,17=23.5,18=24,19=24.5,21=25.5
    Nice to see they offer an 18" size....but now I'm not so sure about going 18" or 19". If the 18" hadn't been an option the 19" would be the one for me being 6' tall but I could live with a 24" TT of the 18. 24.5" TT on the 19 I'd probably be using a 50mm stem.

    This would be my first hard tail so any advice welcome.
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    I would go with the longer TT short stem combo. I'm 5'10" and my Steely has a 24" TT. I ride with a 60mm stem and wish my TT was longer so I could ride with a 50mm stem.

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    This looks good, though I'd be just as happy with a Kinda Big Unit if they offered it too. Scandium is real too.
    Every rose has it's thorn.

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    120mm Fork....

    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    More details about the Exlosif 650B

    KONAWORLD

    Certainly good news, hope it's going to be cleared for 160mm forks.....I mean, ISCG's, 142mm rear. It's just screaming for anything up to 160mm!

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    Looks interesting. Too bad the gap between 19 and 21 is quite big, but you can't have everything.

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    Geometry #'s listed on the web site now

    There is no listing of an 18" size that JRR mentioned above

    Scroll down to bottom of this link

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    Yeah,size 18 must have been to close to 17 and 19 to make prod. The spreadsheet was also titled 650b unit/120fork so the unit when announced could be the same cut with the proper rigid fork

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Certainly good news, hope it's going to be cleared for 160mm forks.....I mean, ISCG's, 142mm rear. It's just screaming for anything up to 160mm!
    Just get a Honzo with a 29" fork. At 140mm BB will be at 12.1", or with 160mm it'll sit at ~12.6". Honzo also has more adjustability in chainstay length allowing you to go as short as 15.3. HT angles will be between 66-67 respectively. Honzo is sick!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by howard619 View Post
    just get a honzo with a 29" fork. At 140mm bb will be at 12.1", or with 160mm it'll sit at ~12.6". honzo also has more adjustability in chainstay length allowing you to go as short as 15.3. ht angles will be between 66-67 respectively. Honzo is sick!!
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    My Explosif frame is on the way, according to an email from my LBS!

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    Would you mind weighing the frame before starting your build and post it ?
    I'm very interested in this frame too.
    Grams or lbs/ozs... no matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roxo56 View Post
    Would you mind weighing the frame before starting your build and post it ?
    No prob, I'll be curious myself

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    I'd love to see a pic of the chainstay yoke if you don't mind snapping a pic

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    Quote Originally Posted by durtydurham View Post
    My Explosif frame is on the way, according to an email from my LBS!
    Durty,

    Do you have any information on rear tire clearance? I would hope Kona left room for a Hans Dampf on a Flow EX. What are you planning to run on your frame?

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    shipping already?

    Quote Originally Posted by durtydurham View Post
    My Explosif frame is on the way, according to an email from my LBS!
    Last response I got from Kona said shipping in april. Are you getting a proto or is this frame officially released?

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    I know this is off the subject, but what size seatpost are these going to use? I'm trying to round up some parts so I'll be ready when I the frames come out.
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayoutside View Post
    Last response I got from Kona said shipping in april. Are you getting a proto or is this frame officially released?
    I guess it's officially released... all I know is I reserved a frame about a month ago with my LBS, and on Monday I received an email that it is shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    Durty,

    Do you have any information on rear tire clearance? I would hope Kona left room for a Hans Dampf on a Flow EX. What are you planning to run on your frame?

    Thanks,
    I'd be willing to bet that there is plenty of clearance for big rubber, this is a purpose-built frame, not a conversion.

    Personally, I don't run huge tires in the back. I'ma run a Neo 2.1 for the rest of the winter. It's a good rear tire and I happen to have one lying around. Then I'll probably go with a RaRa for the summer, or maybe try one of the many new offerings (crossmark?). I've got a brand new Neo 2.3 for a front tire, but I look forward to trying HD or NN once it wears out.

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    Another question--does anyone know the msrp of the frame only?

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    I just got my Explosif built up and gave it a good inspection. To answer some aforementioned questions:

    - My 19" frame weighs about 6 lbs.
    - The seatpost is a 31.6 and is shimmed down. I haven't measured the actual ID of the seat tube.
    - My dropouts came setup about about the halfway point of the sliding dropout slots, which is about as far forward as I would be comfortable running it with the stock 2.1 Crossmark (16.9 inch chainstay I measured). The front derailleur is the limiting factor, which is a top swing, so a 1x setup or maybe even a bottom swing front derailleur could let you slam the wheel right down to the shortest 16.5 chainstay option

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matty F View Post
    I just got my Explosif built up and gave it a good inspection. To answer some aforementioned questions:

    - My 19" frame weighs about 6 lbs.
    - The seatpost is a 31.6 and is shimmed down. I haven't measured the actual ID of the seat tube.
    - My dropouts came setup about about the halfway point of the sliding dropout slots, which is about as far forward as I would be comfortable running it with the stock 2.1 Crossmark (16.9 inch chainstay I measured). The front derailleur is the limiting factor, which is a top swing, so a 1x setup or maybe even a bottom swing front derailleur could let you slam the wheel right down to the shortest 16.5 chainstay option
    This is a 2013 model, correct ?
    Please give us your first impression of frame quality, paint, welds, etc...
    Thanks for the weight data, that fills in a blank.
    What gearing config will you be using ?
    What fork ?
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    In case anybody is wondering whether or not the Kona King Kong 15 mm front hub that comes in the wheelset with this bike is convertible to 9 mm, it is 15 mm for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by albeant View Post
    Another question--does anyone know the msrp of the frame only?
    I was told $500 from the guy at Kona.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roxo56 View Post
    This is a 2013 model, correct ?
    Please give us your first impression of frame quality, paint, welds, etc...
    Thanks for the weight data, that fills in a blank.
    What gearing config will you be using ?
    What fork ?
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    2013 indeed. All the craftsmanship seems pretty spot on and it's a very nice looking bike. The heat flares from the welds and naked braze-ons are slick looking.

    I pedaled it up and down the bike shop floor and under torque it feels mighty stiff torsionally. Probably because of the large tubes. It also comes with a lumbering 730mm bar. Nice addition, but I'm probably going to chop it down to 710.

    I'm going to stay with 2x10, but switching out the shifters and rear derailleur to Shimano because I am a pretty firm Shimano man. I may also switch the front derailleur to a bottom swing to get clearance when I put a fatter tire on the back (switching to 2.25 Rocket Rons).

    Sticking with the stock Revelation fork. I've gotten word from our Rock Shox service center that these are actually 150mm forks spaced down to 120mm, so if you fellows want to rake out the front end you can just pull some spacers out from the negative spring chamber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matty F View Post
    2013 indeed. All the craftsmanship seems pretty spot on and it's a very nice looking bike. The heat flares from the welds and naked braze-ons are slick looking.

    I pedaled it up and down the bike shop floor and under torque it feels mighty stiff torsionally. Probably because of the large tubes. It also comes with a lumbering 730mm bar. Nice addition, but I'm probably going to chop it down to 710.

    I'm going to stay with 2x10, but switching out the shifters and rear derailleur to Shimano because I am a pretty firm Shimano man. I may also switch the front derailleur to a bottom swing to get clearance when I put a fatter tire on the back (switching to 2.25 Rocket Rons).

    Sticking with the stock Revelation fork. I've gotten word from our Rock Shox service center that these are actually 150mm forks spaced down to 120mm, so if you fellows want to rake out the front end you can just pull some spacers out from the negative spring chamber.
    Thanks for the updates and info! I'm dying to see some pictures of the rear triangle. Does it have a cross brace, or does it go without like the Honzo?

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    New SC Chameleon vs Kona Explosif 27.5

    Never having owned a HT what is a realistic BB height for very rocky conditions (New England)?

    The Kona has me concerned @ 12.1" while the new SC Chameleon would be almost 12.9" converted to 650B wheels (plenty of clearance all around). Both have the same HA, ISCG tabs, and 16.5" stays. Kona steel vs SC aluminum (which is 1.5lbs lighter) for ride quality or is it that big a deal really? SC frame is also $250 more expensive.

    Then there is also the On One 456 carbon? Still undecided about this HT thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Never having owned a HT what is a realistic BB height for very rocky conditions (New England)?

    The Kona has me concerned @ 12.1" while the new SC Chameleon would be almost 12.9" converted to 650B wheels (plenty of clearance all around). Both have the same HA, ISCG tabs, and 16.5" stays. Kona steel vs SC aluminum (which is 1.5lbs lighter) for ride quality or is it that big a deal really? SC frame is also $250 more expensive.

    Then there is also the On One 456 carbon? Still undecided about this HT thing
    I chose the Kona frame over the SC almost soley because of BB height, though I'm more into the frame material and price on the Kona as well...

    I much prefer the stable, carve-y ride quality of a lower BB. I ride some rooty and rocky stuff here in NC. I get occasional pedal strikes, but not enough to make me want a higher BB. I think my B-Side came in around 12.2 and that was pretty ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Never having owned a HT what is a realistic BB height for very rocky conditions (New England)?

    The Kona has me concerned @ 12.1" while the new SC Chameleon would be almost 12.9" converted to 650B wheels (plenty of clearance all around). Both have the same HA, ISCG tabs, and 16.5" stays. Kona steel vs SC aluminum (which is 1.5lbs lighter) for ride quality or is it that big a deal really? SC frame is also $250 more expensive.

    Then there is also the On One 456 carbon? Still undecided about this HT thing
    If you're coming from FS, I would avoid the On One Carbon. I read a review that falls in line with my experience with aluminum and scandium HTs. The rear end chatter will rattle your teeth out. As for AL, I would consider it for racing, but I prefer a heavy steel tubeset for AMHTs. The combination of stiffness and damping hits a sweet spot for me. Scandium is nice, but closer to aluminum than steel when it comes to handling. Scandium's advantage over aluminum allow it to be strong enough to be used in thinner walls, which is how resiliency of the frame is reached, but it results in a frame that dents easily.

    My assessment is based on the trails I ride in socal - everything from smooth swooping singletrack, to tight twisty/rocky singletrack, rock gardens, and drops. Set up with a huge volume tire in the back (ala 2.4 Ardent), an AMHT can take it all.

    To get back on topic, the Explosif is the better choice IMO. Better material and a lower BB to start will let you rake it out with a big fork in the 160 range and still fall around 12.5" BBH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matty F View Post
    I just got my Explosif built up and gave it a good inspection. To answer some aforementioned questions:

    - My 19" frame weighs about 6 lbs.
    - The seatpost is a 31.6 and is shimmed down. I haven't measured the actual ID of the seat tube.
    - My dropouts came setup about about the halfway point of the sliding dropout slots, which is about as far forward as I would be comfortable running it with the stock 2.1 Crossmark (16.9 inch chainstay I measured). The front derailleur is the limiting factor, which is a top swing, so a 1x setup or maybe even a bottom swing front derailleur could let you slam the wheel right down to the shortest 16.5 chainstay option
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    Looks like I'll be on my converted Voodoo Bokor a little while longer. I contacted my LBS over the weekend and asked about the availability of the Explosif 650b. Here's what I was told.....

    " I just spoke to my rep at Kona. Unfortunately they are sold out of all the frames and complete bikes. She does expect a new batch to come in, but could not confirm a time frame. If it is something you are really interested in, there is a possibility of someone canceling their order, and we might be able to snatch one up, to do that i would have to figure out what size you need and would take a refundable deposit on the frame to hold your spot in line. This would assure that when someone cancels their order or they become available, you are on the list. The frame retails for $499."

    I'll probably go in one day this week and put the deposit down and hope for the best.
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    If they decide to build this frame with an 18" option at some point then I will go put the money down that day. The sizing is virtually identical to the TransAM I am riding with 650b wheels, so I will still be between sizes.

    Getting this frame solely for the lower BB does not seem worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matty F View Post
    I've gotten word from our Rock Shox service center that these are actually 150mm forks spaced down to 120mm, so if you fellows want to rake out the front end you can just pull some spacers out from the negative spring chamber.
    I pulled the fork apart yesterday and this is not true. 120mm is as long as she goes.

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    My 15" frame just weighed in at 5.10lbs. Like Matty F said, raw finish looks awesome, especially the braze-ons. Pics eventually...

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    Got my 19" frame today. I love the raw finish, just like everybody else. One of the guys at the bike shop said it's the same finish as his Kona Steely. I weighed it on the kitchen scale, and it came in at a hair over 6lbs.

    I wasn't expecting it for at least another month so I still have to figure out how I'm going to build it up. But having it around the house makes me feel like a kid at Christmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshboston View Post
    Got my 19" frame today. I love the raw finish, just like everybody else. One of the guys at the bike shop said it's the same finish as his Kona Steely. I weighed it on the kitchen scale, and it came in at a hair over 6lbs.

    I wasn't expecting it for at least another month so I still have to figure out how I'm going to build it up. But having it around the house makes me feel like a kid at Christmas.
    Cool! Can you post a pic of the chainstay/bottom bracket area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabao View Post
    Cool! Can you post a pic of the chainstay/bottom bracket area?
    Here are some pics. I measured about 2 3/4" across the chainstays where the tire would be. I put the wheel from my roommates 29er in there with a 2.3" specialized tire on it. There was about 1/4" of room on each side. There are about 3" of space between the seat stays where the tire would be. Tire height shouldn't be a problem at all, I think I might be able to mount that 29" wheel in there if I pushed the dropouts all the way out.
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    Anybody know what size seatpost these take. My frame is on it's way and I'm trying to get everything together for the build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frints View Post
    Anybody know what size seatpost these take. My frame is on it's way and I'm trying to get everything together for the build.
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    FYI

    There is a medium frame on Ebay right now. It's not mine, but I did order one from this seller last week, it is suppose to arrive on 2/4.

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    Innacurate geo chart on Kona's website

    Confused about their geo info

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    Seeing three issues here:
    1) 19" is listed as 24.5"/610mm ETT, but 610mm is only 24" even. Looking at the other frames, I'd venture to guess that the 19" is actually 24.5"/622mm ETT, but would love a Kona rep's confirmation on this.

    2) FL = Fork length, listed as 522mm. Sounds awfully long for a 120mm / 650b fork (my Velvet is only 499mm at the same travel comparatively); As well, the Honzo's RS 29er version is only .2" longer. Checked RS' website and didn't find any A-C info on their new 650b forks. Again, would love a bit of clarity here.

    3) Is the BB height really just 12.1" without sag? Even at just 20% sag, that BB would be sitting pretty low.

    Anyone buy or build one up yet? Would greatly appreciate some true measurements, especially from a 19: BB height (static is fine) and A-C measurement primarily.

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    The A-C is 539mm according to a BikeRumor article that I can't link to because I don't have enough posts. The low BB height seems to be a thing with Kona, the Honzo is listed as having a 12.2" BB height. Can't give you a real measurement because all I have right now is a frame sitting on the floor of my living room: BB height = 0"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entrenador View Post
    Confused about their geo info

    KONAWORLD

    Seeing three issues here:
    1) 19" is listed as 24.5"/610mm ETT, but 610mm is only 24" even. Looking at the other frames, I'd venture to guess that the 19" is actually 24.5"/622mm ETT, but would love a Kona rep's confirmation on this.

    2) FL = Fork length, listed as 522mm. Sounds awfully long for a 120mm / 650b fork (my Velvet is only 499mm at the same travel comparatively); As well, the Honzo's RS 29er version is only .2" longer. Checked RS' website and didn't find any A-C info on their new 650b forks. Again, would love a bit of clarity here.

    3) Is the BB height really just 12.1" without sag? Even at just 20% sag, that BB would be sitting pretty low.

    Anyone buy or build one up yet? Would greatly appreciate some true measurements, especially from a 19: BB height (static is fine) and A-C measurement primarily.

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    I had similar thoughts about FL, but I emailed with Kona and they confirmed 522 a2c.

    "Iíd trust the 522 number since weíve got cad files from Rockshox to draw up the frame geometry charts." - Kona tech email.

    The 539mm number from the Revelation (which may or may not be accurate) is for 150mm travel. 539-30mm= 509mm a2c.

    I will be running my Velvet fork at 140mm for an a2c of 519mm.

    Kona tech was very responsive to my emails, if you have questions, ask them.

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    I'm looking at building up an Explosif with a Magura Thor (520mm a-c) with a straight 1 1/8" steerer. Any thoughts about whether an internal or external (w/ reducer crown race) would be preferred?

    Obviously there's the small geo difference, along with any fork crown/frame clearance concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albeant View Post
    I'm looking at building up an Explosif with a Magura Thor (520mm a-c) with a straight 1 1/8" steerer. Any thoughts about whether an internal or external (w/ reducer crown race) would be preferred?

    Obviously there's the small geo difference, along with any fork crown/frame clearance concerns.
    I would suggest using an external w/ reducer. The extra 10mm of height added on top of the fork will not change geometry much. If anything, I would lean towards the tiny bit higher BB using external. Also if you switch to a tapered fork then you should be able to plug it right in using the standard race.

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    Thanks for the insight. I hadn't been thinking about the bb height, but for those of us who pedal in rocky terrain the trend toward ultra-low bb's has been a bit of a mixed blessing. The external it will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squads View Post
    I would suggest using an external w/ reducer. The extra 10mm of height added on top of the fork will not change geometry much. If anything, I would lean towards the tiny bit higher BB using external. Also if you switch to a tapered fork then you should be able to plug it right in using the standard race.
    I too will be starting with a straight 1-1/8" steerer. Planning on going with ZS44 upper and EC44 lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durtydurham View Post
    The 539mm number from the Revelation (which may or may not be accurate) is for 150mm travel. 539-30mm= 509mm a2c. I will be running my Velvet fork at 140mm for an a2c of 519mm.
    All right, that sounds more like it - both the numbers you posted here, as well as your solution to the discrepancy (140mm Velvet FTW). Looking forward to seeing this come together, so be sure to post up your build and thoughts on it.
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    Hey Matty, thanks for the news. Two requests:
    1) Would you be so kind as to take an A-C measurement of that Revelation 120mm fork? I have a Velvet here that might be perfect, and I'm hoping that they're pretty close. Definitely hoping that your Rev is closer 509mm and not the claimed 522mm.
    2) Also would like a real world BB height measurement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entrenador View Post
    Would you be so kind as to take an A-C measurement of that Revelation 120mm fork? ... Definitely hoping that your Rev is closer 509mm and not the claimed 522mm.
    It could also be that Kona is measuring fork length including the ec44 lower cup's stack height. That would account for the extra length on the revelation.

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    Good point, albeant. Hope for clarity by an owner soon.
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    Crazy thing, I'm waiting for my Explosif 650b M to be delivered, it's suppose to come tomorrow...and the frame I really want is being offered at a great deal.

    So I just ordered a Lynskey PRO650, it came with an upgraded finish, basic fork, wheels, tires, tubes and a headset...all for a little over the regular price frame.

    So if anybody in this group is interested I'm selling the frame I didn't even get yet, once I get it I will offer it up for sale on the classifieds, just wanted to give this group a heads up.

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    Just received my 17" frame. Welds and brazing look clean. Weight comes in at 5.70 pounds w/ dropouts and seat collar, but without the bottle cage bolts or the threaded rods presumably for single-speed use.

    Will post a pic or two once it's built, but the bike's maiden voyage may be with 26ers.
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    spotted in the wild

    Saw a complete in NYC Velo last week. Definitely has me jonesing for a slack-ish headtube geared mtb (ss only at the moment).

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    OK y'all, I've finally got mine built up in single speed mode with one solid ride on it.

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    It is quite awesome. Sorry for the crappy pic. Yes, I know the brake lines need to be re-sized..

    I'm running an X-Fusion Velvet at 130mm, TL28s laced to CK hubs, Neo-Moto/RaRa, SLX cranks and brakes, and 710mm Niner carbon bars with a 60mm stem.

    It descended more confidently than any hardtail I've ridden. It's also the stiffest hardtail I've ever ridden, by a long shot. The bike really comes alive when you shift your weight forward a bit and let the front wheel dig in on corners and descents, while the stiff rear end kept a good line. It manuals very easily, the short chainstays had me playfully popping off of all sorts of trailside obstacles. She felt great in the air, both on creek/gap jumps and drops to flat. Climbing was only a tad sluggish, and that's me coming from more XC-ish hardtails. I did end up locking out the fork a few times, something I rarely do while riding single speeds with shorter forks. Small price to pay. It did leave me wishing for more external compression adjustment on my fork. The Velvet only has lockout.

    I'm gonna throw gears on her once the trails around here start to get drier for the summer. The bike was often begging to descend faster than I could pedal it up as a single speed. Can't wait to get it back on the trails!

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    Looks great, Durty. Care to post up your static BB height (center of spindle to floor)? Cheers!
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    I envy you...
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    Thanks! I couldn't find my tape measure just now, but I'll post BB height soon.

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    Entrenador, stock-built Kona complete bike, 17" measures 31cm. Center bb to floor.

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    Hey Durtydurha, What size frame is that one in your image? I just ordered a 17 inch and wondered if it'll look like yours (top tube & seatstays in-line) or more like the one on Konaworld.

    Thanks,

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