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    2012 Jamis Dragon 650

    Hey Everyone... We're not officially launching the 2012 line till this weekend but decided to give the 650 followers on here the first chance to see it...







    Reynolds 853
    White Brothers Loop TCR 120mm
    American Classic
    Shimano SLX 3x10
    Avid Elixir 3
    Syncros AM cockpit

    Head Tube Angle = 68
    Seat Tube Angle = 73
    BB Height = 12.5"
    Sizes: 13", 15", 17",19", 21"
    MSRP $2600.

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    Nice. Any chance you will offer a frame only?
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    Oh that's very nice!

    I worked for an L3 Jamis dealer for a while. A good friend of mine has a 29" steel single speed Dragon that's wonderful.

    I will seriously give this bike a very close look. However, I'd put a 100mm Fox on it and probably single speed it.

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    Nice!

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    Well done Sal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IF52 View Post
    Nice. Any chance you will offer a frame only?
    +1

    that's purdy...

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    Looks nice.

    I am sure some folks would like a frame and fork option?

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    What are the effective top tube lengths? And will there be an aluminum version as well?

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    looove that green i had a feeling it was a 2500.00 ride. will there be a more wallet friendly version?

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    Nice!....

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    i would also like to know if this frame is a new design or just a 26 inch frame with longer rear chainstays to clear the wheel. i do like the new syncros cockpit. it is a very nice looking ride indeed i dig the fresh jamis graphix.

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    After riding around with a 26" dragon on 650b Tires for some time now, I really hope there is a frame only deal.
    For info on Mexico`s Copper Canyon check http://coppercanyongate.blogspot.com

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    And if this is anything like the other Dragons I have handled, the frame finish has glitter in it. It's a great touch.

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    Really nice! Great choice to go 120mm on the fork.

    Very nicely balanced spec too ... Impressed

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    i cant tell is it a 10spd or 9spd? i also wonder maybey a 650b dragon sport?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roscoe1971 View Post
    i cant tell is it a 10spd or 9spd? i also wonder maybey a 650b dragon sport?

    maybe the text has a clue

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    yep im a tard lol how,bout that dragon!

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    Frame only option will be available!

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    When will the full geo specs be posted?

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    GREAT JOB! I've always dug your 853 Hardtails.

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    cool bike

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    Nice bike!
    Now I'll have to figure out which bike or bikes to sell to get my hands on this one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sal@jamis View Post
    frame only option will be available!
    msrp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sal@jamis View Post
    frame only option will be available!
    sign me up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roscoe1971 View Post
    i would also like to know if this frame is a new design or just a 26 inch frame with longer rear chainstays to clear the wheel. i do like the new syncros cockpit. it is a very nice looking ride indeed i dig the fresh jamis graphix.
    68/73 angles = not the same ol', same ol'. Aside from the component fitment numbers (BB shell width, 135mm rear axle, etc), and aside from the double diamond shape, it's got nothing in common with a 26" wheel frame. What similarities are you concerned about, if I might ask?

    I'd say 9.5/10, with the only knock being cable routing (prefer under the top tube); tapered, schmapered.
    Looks fantastic, and I look forward to seeing one in person.

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    Me likey!
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    Wow, I really like the bike. I'd have to find something to SS the frame, but it wouldn't be too hard.

    Glad the new Jamis line up is targeting the steel hardtail crowd. Wish I had the scratch...

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    http://www.bikerumor.com/2011/07/20/...ls/#more-33472

    Reynolds 853 and 68° head angle. Superb numbers.
    Last edited by gvs_nz; 07-24-2011 at 01:28 AM.

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    does a 650 mean no more 29 dragons?

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    very nice looking. Good job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toddwmac View Post
    does a 650 mean no more 29 dragons?
    Rob here with Jamis, We will have 29" wheel Dragon's, and the Dragon one has been re-designed to feature Reynolds 853 pipes and slider drop outs. I'm sure we will have an official pic to post shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toddwmac View Post
    does a 650 mean no more 29 dragons?
    This post may make DC's head exploded.

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    I have been thinking about getting a 29er, but now that I have seen these!!!! When will they be on the website?

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    any idea on the msrp of the frame only???

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    Dragon 650B

    Quote Originally Posted by ira4ever76 View Post
    any idea on the msrp of the frame only???
    $900 with head set.

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    sweet! sold! lol

    thanks,

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    I just recently moved to Bend, OR from SoCal, and have fallen in love with the MTB life. Its a newer hobby but lovin it. I have a 2005 Jamis Dakar Sport, and it had been riddin very mildly by my pops until I acquired it. Now Im pretty much replacing everything except the shifters and derailers piece by piece. So my question is, assuming you know Jamis bikes. I really like the bike, but figure I will be moving on to something newer next year. I am learning alot about 29's and now 650B. I want to get a Jamis 650B, would you suggest doing a build? Or buying a complete? And would my existing (recently purchased) parts, besides the tires be worthy of moving over to a build? Any feedback would be cool.

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    Looks nice. I reckon w a 100 mm fork the head angle would be 70 degrees?

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    i downloaded the jamis cataloge and the 650b dragon has a top tube length of only 25.1 and the standover is 34.25? am i miss reading that? or could it be a miss print? man im 6'3 with a 34 inch inseam and ive got long arms and a med. long torso if those numbers are right im thinkin that bike is gonna perch me way on top of the bike. do i need to be corrected on this?

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    650b Dragon

    I WANT!!! Jeremy, would ya mind saving me a place in queue?


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    sign me up!

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    how does the HA on a 26" bike compare to the HA on a 650B or 29" ?
    (does the 68 degreeeHA on this dreambike equal the handling of a 26" bike with a 68 HA ?)

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    What tires will be spec'd on the bike? The 2012 Catalog states the Nevegal on the blown-up image and description, then in the detailed spec the WTB Wolverine is listed.
    BTW: 425mm CS!! NICE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal@Jamis View Post
    Frame only option will be available!
    that is great! I want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked Headtube View Post
    What tires will be spec'd on the bike? The 2012 Catalog states the Nevegal on the blown-up image and description, then in the detailed spec the WTB Wolverine is listed.
    BTW: 425mm CS!! NICE

    425mm = really nice!

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    Nice looking bike... I love Jamis steel hardtails! I wish there were more out there.

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    I'd like an answer to these too...

    Looks nice. I reckon with a 100 mm fork the head angle would be 70 degrees?
    how does the HA on a 26" bike compare to the HA on a 650B or 29" ?
    (does the 68 degreeeHA on this dreambike equal the handling of a 26" bike with a 68 HA ?)
    I'd like an answer to these too. As since when did the Dragon become a Trail bike vs. the last of the all steel framed XC racing hold outs?
    I might be missing something as I'm not a bike engineer.

    Is this 68° head angle just a way to make the 650b size workout best?
    If so why does the Jamis Nemesis get a 71° head angle, or is it just that the Nemesis comes with the 100mm fork vs. the Dragons 120mm fork?

    Now riddle me this...If the fork is the only difference to the true frame angles..then could I run a 100mm travel fork will I get quick XC type steering...
    that is... if I don't like the handling at 68° with the 120mm fork?

    But..both bikes are listed with 73° seat tube angles so won't dropping the front also change that angle?

    Just why is the Dragon...The Dragon..., not a Durango.. why is it done like this?

    Sorry guys, I haven't posted in some time to any of the forums, but this got me to thinkin' new bike.

    Hope this came across as excited questioning rather than a rant
    Last edited by Johnny_Cyclone; 09-09-2011 at 01:20 PM.

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    yes dropping the fork travel will change both seat and head tube angles. 20mm roughly equals 1 degree. should also drop your BB height by some amount, so keep that in mind

    I don't have anything with a longer travel fork, but I imagine slacker for longer travel so you don't go overly steep on compression?
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    It costs essentially the same as the Dragon 29er Race, but it appears to have a lower component spec. The 29er Race is a nice bike for the price, this one not as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    It costs essentially the same as the Dragon 29er Race, but it appears to have a lower component spec. The 29er Race is a nice bike for the price, this one not as much.
    Well, the driveline spec looks to be one step down pricepoint wise, but the fork is a step or two higher. Maybe that's got something to dowith it?
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    My dream hardtail!
    Steel, 120mm travel, slack HA, short CS, 650B!!!

    Now if I could only afford it
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Seriously my dream bike.

    Can not wait until I can afford one of these!!!!!!!

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    These are a great deal. I have a friend who is getting one. Hope he'll let me try it out.
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    heard there's a frame and fork option for these - price anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal View Post
    heard there's a frame and fork option for these - price anyone?
    It's on the Jamis website. $900 for frame only, fork not included.
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    I'm wondering how the 650b Dragon would work with a 100mm 29er fork and front wheel. It's designed around a 120mm 650b fork, so the geometry should end up pretty close. Any ideas on how this might work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    I'm wondering how the 650b Dragon would work with a 100mm 29er fork and front wheel. It's designed around a 120mm 650b fork, so the geometry should end up pretty close. Any ideas on how this might work?
    Just look at the axle to crown lengths of the forks. Everybody gets too caught up in the idea that you need a 650b specific fork. As long as the tire clears the crown under full compression and the axle to crown dimension of the fork falls relatively close say +/- 5 or 10mm to what the frame was designed around you'll be fine whether it's a 26, 650b, or 29" fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry288 View Post
    I worked for an L3 Jamis dealer for a while. A good friend of mine has a 29" steel single speed Dragon that's wonderful.

    I will seriously give this bike a very close look. However, I'd put a 100mm Fox on it and probably single speed it.
    Currently the Dragon 650 is only available with plain ol' vertical dropouts, you'll have to run some sort of chain tensioner for SS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by durtydurham View Post
    Currently the Dragon 650 is only available with plain ol' vertical dropouts, you'll have to run some sort of chain tensioner for SS...
    I would have loved to own a Dragon. I went with a Soma BSide specifically for the sliding dropouts. The geometry is somwhat close between the two bikes with the Soma being steeper and a shorter fork spec'd.
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    A Dragon for one-gear fans...

    The Dragon as a single speed. Changed the color from Kelly Green to black metallic powdercoat. X-Fusion Velvet 15 QR, AC hubs, NoTubes rims, XT brakes. Set up 32x19. Fantastic ride quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DekerfTeamST View Post
    Just look at the axle to crown lengths of the forks. Everybody gets too caught up in the idea that you need a 650b specific fork. As long as the tire clears the crown under full compression and the axle to crown dimension of the fork falls relatively close say +/- 5 or 10mm to what the frame was designed around you'll be fine whether it's a 26, 650b, or 29" fork.
    A 100mm 29er fork and a 120mm 650b fork look to have essentially the same axle to crown height. The 29er wheel/tire would raise the front about 3/4", slightly slackening the angles and raising the bb a bit, but probably not enough to be noticeable.

    My thought is that I could transfer all of the parts from my 29er hardtail to a Dragon 650b frame, including the 100mm Terralogic fork and 29er front wheel. Then the only think I'd need is a new rear wheel. I love the Terralogic on a hardtail. The main difference compared to the 29er would be the shorter chainstays and slacker geometry, which should make a fun trail bike.

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    Is the 68 degree head / 73 degree seat angle static or sagged?

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    Quote Originally Posted by los36 View Post
    I would have loved to own a Dragon. I went with a Soma BSide specifically for the sliding dropouts. The geometry is somwhat close between the two bikes with the Soma being steeper and a shorter fork spec'd.
    Huh? The geometries of those 2 bikes are nowhere near close to each other.

    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Does anyone have an opinion on what this bike would be like with 26 inch wheels? I am in the market for a new steel hard tail and am intrigued by 650b but I also have a nice set of 26 inch wheels and no bike to use them on. I just like to have options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    Does anyone have an opinion on what this bike would be like with 26 inch wheels? I am in the market for a new steel hard tail and am intrigued by 650b but I also have a nice set of 26 inch wheels and no bike to use them on. I just like to have options.
    My opinion is that it would make the bottom bracket too low, and you'd get a lot of pedal strikes, unless you only ride on very smooth terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    Does anyone have an opinion on what this bike would be like with 26 inch wheels? I am in the market for a new steel hard tail and am intrigued by 650b but I also have a nice set of 26 inch wheels and no bike to use them on. I just like to have options.
    You should be demoing 27.5" and 29" in the HT XC category bike. Safe to say that 26" pretty much dead in that genre
    Old enough to know better. And old enough not to care. Best age to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    My opinion is that it would make the bottom bracket too low, and you'd get a lot of pedal strikes, unless you only ride on very smooth terrain.
    Good point. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    You should be demoing 27.5" and 29" in the HT XC category bike. Safe to say that 26" pretty much dead in that genre
    Thanks for the input. I already have 2 29ers. I sold my 26er full squish but kept the wheels. I was hoping this might be something I could run with 26" or 27.5" wheels

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