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    Specialized's statement/stance on 650b 2013

    The 650b question near the bottom of http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/news/ar...unched-34567/…

    As for going over to the much-hyped new wheel size of 650b (27.5in), Specialized openly said that they were reluctant to make the switch while there’s limited size-specific equipment available (forks, wheels, tyres, and so on) to let them do what they want.

    On top of that, they also remarked on the minimal difference you get jumping from 26in to 650b wheels compared to going from 26in to 29in wheels.

    Although there are no 650b machines for 2013, Specialized were quick to point out they wouldn’t rule it out in the future.

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    "Innovate or die"

    Pretty hard to innovate when you are waiting for everyone else to make stuff for you to use.

    Does that mean they only have one option left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    As for going over to the much-hyped new wheel size of 650b (27.5in), Specialized openly said that they were reluctant to make the switch while there’s limited size-specific equipment available (forks, wheels, tyres, and so on) to let them do what they want.
    I thought Specialized had their own lines of forks, wheels and tires..what else do they need?
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    "limited size-specific equipment available (forks, wheels, tyres, and so on) to let them do what they want. "

    Is this not a "zombie" excuse that went out window when Fox, RS, Enve, Schwalbe, Hutchinson to name a few companies, started selling 650b components this year.

    Spec's excuse might have made sense in 2010 and 2011, but not now.

    They are correct that the jump from 26 to 27.5 is not as dramatic as from 26 to 29. So what? Not all of characteristics of 29 are desirable. Which is one of the reasons for a middle size wheel.

    They will rule 27.5" in when and if other bike companies sell a lot of 27.5" bikes in 2013.

    Meanwhile Spec, Trek, Giant, Santa Cruz etc will market 29" while fans of their 26" bikes keep converting them to 27.5" with all those "unavailable" components. Missed opportunities there.


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    specialized died for me in the 90's

    they are just copy cats of everything. very conservative and nothing "special" at all.....

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    Buy an Intense.. I know I want one of the new Tracer 27s!

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    As much as I love my Epic, I do not love Specialized. They are always followers, NEVER innovators. They love to jump on bandwagons late and use their massive marketing ability to make people think they did it first and better than everyone else.
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    Its funny how some of us have been running 650b Spec bikes for a while now. And how the bike came alive when the new hoops and tires went on.

    That said my next bike will not have an S on the head tube.

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    Spec came along late in the game with 29ers. But once in, they did very well. Watching and waiting has worked for them before.

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    I think its refreshing that S not jumping the bandwagon basically says, "wait a minute - does anyone really need this marginal product?" And changing the wheel size following Gary Fisher intro of 29, is that really innovation anymore - I think its a no-brainer and more than anything just a way to make us want a new bike - which I always do anyway..

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    They will make one. Similar excuse they used with 29ers. They will come to the market with a well thought out 650B.

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    Aaaannnd....then sue everyone on their Rolodex that was doing it successfully, with the technology that they didn't invent.
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    Yep. Or they'll file patent applications for stuff already patented which they know about but won't mention on the application as prior art. Specialized is tooo invested in 29ers now to admit they went the wrong way on larger wheel sizes. But after all their team riders spend the whole season losing on 29ers to 650b riders, they will change their tune.
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    .... loosing to someone with 1.5" less dia wheels, you mean? If this continues, someone may start racing on 26" ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AxelH View Post
    .... loosing to someone with 1.5" less dia wheels, you mean? If this continues, someone may start racing on 26" ;-)
    Dang ... they should start racing with 36r's then. That thing should fly on the course with wheels of that size !!!

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    There is a large investment in designing and releasing a new product especially for a company like specialized that has interest in keeping their name intact. That being said, they said the same thing about 29ers and look where we are.
    They are still winning on 29ers
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshS View Post
    They are still winning on 29ers
    When the 650b guy isn't there Just j/k ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AxelH View Post
    .... loosing to someone with 1.5" less dia wheels, you mean? If this continues, someone may start racing on 26" ;-)
    You're a looser baby.... (no. 1 misspelled word in English? I think so)
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    as much as i am a fan of 650b i think specs approach is smart. see how it plays out, and develop something well thought out if the market takes off. because despite more niche brands taking off the true test really come in 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    They will make one. Similar excuse they used with 29ers. They will come to the market with a well thought out 650B.
    I agree 100%. In fact they have a bunch of prototypes riding around places without
    the S badges, being quietly tested by S employees. Its being tight-lipped with bikes
    not being ridden at famous bike parks or on popular trails.

    The big S bike shops superstores aren't even privy to the testing as some minimum wage employee may take a pic of a S 650b post it somewhere and then it will be all over. So I bet the testing is like the military or GM, riding the thing around in flat black or gray somewheres.

    And don't think they didn't send a blue print to China for a rear carbon 650b triangle. Oh I can hear
    a front triangle snapping on their bench and the R&D dudes clapping after 1800lbs of pressure.

    These guys are only 2nd to Giant with bicycle world domination, so they have the bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AxelH View Post
    "wait a minute - does anyone really need this marginal product?"
    really?
    this is the 650b forum.
    This statement pretty much labels you as a Troll. Please return to the 29er forum...or whatever bridge you normally lurk under.

    my apologies if I misunderstood.

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    The MBA article even mentioned Spez may be trying out their own wheel size , possibly slightly bigger than a 650B. Haven't we already got that. 650A.

    But having all three wheel size bikes I can see where Spez is coming from. You can design a 29er to feel like a 650b and if you get it wrong , vice versa.

    That doesn't get around the other issues of 29er limitaions on large travel bikes and the sizing issue with 29ers and smaller riders.

    The sizing issue is not in the marketing speel for current 650B due to lack of short travel forks, which Spez can get mfg'd themselves.

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    Its truly amazing to me that so many people in this MTB market have to have their hands held and wait for a monolith like Specialized to do something before they will try it. The big four (Trek,Spec,SC,Giant) are going to be slow on the uptake because the have 29ers to sell.
    Why not reward the agility of smaller companies willing that are open to try new things. OR build a set of 27.5" wheels and put them on your current 26" bike if they will fit. Quit reading about it and do it. You may find that you dont have to wait for anyone. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    really?
    this is the 650b forum.
    This statement pretty much labels you as a Troll. Please return to the 29er forum...or whatever bridge you normally lurk under.

    my apologies if I misunderstood.
    Sorry, the name of the thread is S stance on 650. After having read x postings basically slagging of Specialised, I thought a small portion of understanding was in order.

    I'm happily riding a Scott 26". With regards to 26, 27.5 or 29... quite undecided really. From Norway, where the Trolls come from :-)

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    I saw in the XC forum that specialize is does not have 26" XC bike in their 2013 line-up. So all 29ers or long travel 26. So I get the impression that specilaized is looking at the 650b size, but is sending mixed signals for 2013. Two reasons. 1) To keep selling 29ers. 2) To buy time to work on their own650b.

    I ride a 26' hardtail. Not big fan of the numb feel of 29ers and I am starting to think 650b may be nice mix between teh 26 and 29" wheels for XC or short travel bikes ( HT or under 4") for guys wanting lighter more nimble bike. The reviews I have seen gives me the impression that 650b is the best of 29 and 26 together. Specialized has to experiment with this and find out for themselves. At least learn if the wheel size works and then determine if is is marketable and profitable.

    Personally I am going to sit back and watch and see. I have no need to change my bike or upgrade it right now, but when the time comes maybe 650b will be a clear winner. Maybe the fad will have passed? Who knows? The thing that I do know is that I have no desire to be an early adopter and potentially get stuck with dead end bike parts.
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