• 01-14-2013
    JoshF
    Good post.
  • 01-15-2013
    Shagen7
    I ride a 29er right now, but I'm looking at getting a 650b.
  • 01-15-2013
    Just J
    This seems like a really good comparisons, there are a few appearing in the mags and on the blogs at the moment:

    Opinion: 26 vs 27.5 vs 29-inch Wheels - Pinkbike
  • 01-15-2013
    jabrabu
    I was pretty sold on 29ers for the past few years, and I really like my Tallboy FS 29er and SIR9 hardtail 29er. But then I got a 2006 Epic frame and fork for free and built it up with some parts I had. I had a lot of fun on that 26er, and thought that with a little more travel and a bit slacker geometry it could be a great trail bike. So I bought a TRc frame on sale and swapped the parts onto that bike. Compared to the Tallboy it isn't as good through rock gardens but is better going downhill. I also like the TRc's shorter chainstays and smaller feel, which makes it feel more playful.

    I will be doing a 650b conversion on the TRc soon, and I'm hoping that this will improve its rock garden abilities while still maintaining the playful feel. I don't think it will replace the Tallboy, but I might prefer it for certain terrain.
  • 01-15-2013
    jazzanova
    i did exectly the same thing. I have had a Tallboy for over a year and a Trc 650b since Christmas. Love them both.
  • 01-15-2013
    warmonkey
    I did the same thing with my 29er Stumpy FSR except I went with the AC 650BXC. When it comes to sustained, steep climbs, it was a huge improvement over the stock setup. Unfortunately, the already too low BB is slightly lower now, which has caused some pretty spectacular pedal-strike assisted dismounts :) Awesomeness would be a 26" Stumpy FSR that would accept 2.35" 650B's front and back. The extra BB height would make it an all mtn monster.
  • 01-15-2013
    jabrabu
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by warmonkey View Post
    I did the same thing with my 29er Stumpy FSR except I went with the AC 650BXC. When it comes to sustained, steep climbs, it was a huge improvement over the stock setup. Unfortunately, the already too low BB is slightly lower now, which has caused some pretty spectacular pedal-strike assisted dismounts :) Awesomeness would be a 26" Stumpy FSR that would accept 2.35" 650B's front and back. The extra BB height would make it an all mtn monster.

    Raising the BB height is another reason why I think the 650b conversion will improve the TRc.
  • 01-15-2013
    deuxdiesel
    I have had 2 C'dale F29's, 3 Fisher 29ers, 2 Salsa El Mars, a Jamis and a custom 29er, so I would say I'm a 29er fan. I also have the Nemesis 650b which I really like, but on the flatter, less technical trails we have here, it does not really gain me anything (hence trying to sell it). When it sells, I will go back to a 29er. I invested lots of money to get it as racey as possible, but it still lacks the "roll-over-ness" of a 29er.
  • 01-17-2013
    zarf1
    I'm lucky to have quite a solid fleet that includes a 26 inch HT and duallie, 1 x 650B ti customs, 1 x ti 26 inch convertible to 650B and a 29er Onone Scandal. I moved to 650B following purchasing the 29er and finding it really wasn't that much fun. Makes it harder to flick the front end up and rail corners in my experience. My 650B bikes just seem so right. I have an obstacle course around my house that id o with the kids. It's quite interesting as there is a speedy curved turn in the front garden - 29er requires brakes, 650B can just burn through it. 26 inch requires a bot more work to get to speed. it's a true scientific test.
  • 01-18-2013
    Just J
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zarf1 View Post
    I'm lucky to have quite a solid fleet that includes a 26 inch HT and duallie, 1 x 650B ti customs, 1 x ti 26 inch convertible to 650B and a 29er Onone Scandal. I moved to 650B following purchasing the 29er and finding it really wasn't that much fun. Makes it harder to flick the front end up and rail corners in my experience. My 650B bikes just seem so right. I have an obstacle course around my house that id o with the kids. It's quite interesting as there is a speedy curved turn in the front garden - 29er requires brakes, 650B can just burn through it. 26 inch requires a bot more work to get to speed. it's a true scientific test.

    Would love to see some pics of your course, it sounds great being able to set up your bikes just riding around your house! :)
  • 01-18-2013
    Miker J
    Really?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smellurfingers View Post
    Ask yourself a simple question. Can I live without spandex. If the answer is no, than a 5 inch or greater 27.5 or 26" isn't for you.

    Don't see why you'd suggest wearing spandex and bike travel have much to do with each other. Unless you shy away from spandex 'cause maybe you're a bit short on "travel".

    :)

    Anyone whose been riding more than ten years will likely tell you you are wrong.
  • 01-19-2013
    keen
    After many seasons on different wheels sizes I won't go back to a 26er. As much as I liked 650b & 29er's both had issues. The 29" rear wheel was just too much - hurt acceleration, rigidity & frame geometry changes. The 650b front wheel was too small when compared to a 29er - 29er just rolls over obstacles. So I ended up w/ my favorite 29 / 650b combo :
    http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...x/IMG_5082.jpg
  • 01-20-2013
    dwt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Don't see why you'd suggest wearing spandex and bike travel have much to do with each other. Unless you shy away from spandex 'cause maybe you're a bit short on "travel".

    :)

    Anyone whose been riding more than ten years will likely tell you you are wrong.

    Not IME after 20. Spandex gets caught on the saddle; baggies do not. The more you stay in one place on the saddle riding, say a HT 29'er XC, the more you can use spandex. Bigger travel is associated with moving around and coming off the saddle due to terrain. Nothing more annoying than your shorts getting caught on the nose of the saddle. I have recently been using a dropper post with my 5" travel 650b, so I could probably could get away with riding my spandex roadie kit off road, but it would be lame. I'm used to wearing a mtb costume off road anyway: baggies, T shirt, camelbak. When in Rome...
  • 01-20-2013
    JoshF
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Not IME after 20. Spandex gets caught on the saddle; baggies do not. The more you stay in one place on the saddle riding, say a HT 29'er XC, the more you can use spandex. Bigger travel is associated with moving around and coming off the saddle due to terrain. Nothing more annoying than your shorts getting caught on the nose of the saddle. I have recently been using a dropper post with my 5" travel 650b, so I could probably could get away with riding my spandex roadie kit off road, but it would be lame. I'm used to wearing a mtb costume off road anyway: baggies, T shirt, camelbak. When in Rome...

    I don't get this? Nothing to get caught on Spandex. When I ride baggies they get caught a lot.
  • 01-20-2013
    SteveF
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoshF View Post
    I don't get this? Nothing to get caught on Spandex. When I ride baggies they get caught a lot.

    It's just a fashion statement. Some mtb'ers seem to have a pathological fear of being mistaken for cyclists. They're made for riding, folks, and nothing works better on the bike. The most you can say about the best baggies on the market is that they work almost as well as lycra, I wear baggies once in a while but when I know I'm going to be in the saddle for a long time, I break out the bibshorts, no second thoughts.
  • 01-20-2013
    Just J
    I've been riding for over 20 years now (wow I feel old thinking about that!) I've not once worn Lycra other than on my inner shorts, I've just always rocked the baggy look or jeans back in the day!

    Anyway back on topic, there are some great (non-lycra) comments on here, I can't wait to try the tracer 272, I just hope I don't like it more than my 29er! ;)
  • 01-20-2013
    dwt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SteveF View Post
    It's just a fashion statement. Some mtb'ers seem to have a pathological fear of being mistaken for cyclists. They're made for riding, folks, and nothing works better on the bike. The most you can say about the best baggies on the market is that they work almost as well as lycra, I wear baggies once in a while but when I know I'm going to be in the saddle for a long time, I break out the bibshorts, no second thoughts.

    Wrong. I Hate riding Lycra off road; it is the wrong tool. I ride full lycra kit on road, no problem.

    But we all have to admit (I will) the fashion statement part of the deal. Way worse on road than off. Even if your legs did the talking and you dropped the pack, arrogant egotistical roadies would shun you if you showed up on a road ride with baggies and a camelbak .

    Meanwhile if you showed up in lime green lycra off road, but ripped on your bike, you would get funny looks but prop respect.

    Roadies are way more superficial than mtb. I hang out in both subcultures and know first hand. PS. My riding mates are all both road and off road riders. 3 out of 5 always wear Lycra. The other 2 switch between baggies and Lycra.
  • 01-20-2013
    Walt
    What?
    I find this completely baffling. Baggy stuff has material everywhere and can (to be fair this never bothers me) get caught on all sorts of things. Spandex can also get caught on stuff, I guess, but it occupies less space and doesn't have as many snaggable (if you want to use my new word, you have to pay me $1) bits.

    I mean, neither one is really going to cause you any problems in most cases but I have no idea how you could end up catching your spandex on stuff (at least stuff you wouldn't *also* catch your baggies on) when you're on a mountain bike.

    DH pros used to wear skin suits because it was (at least in their minds - and in some cases objectively *kamikaze*) faster and better, but people threw a fit because it didn't look moto enough so now they're required BY THE UCI to wear baggie gear. The UCI does a lot of dumb stuff but that one has always been my favorite.

    -Walt

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Not IME after 20. Spandex gets caught on the saddle; baggies do not. The more you stay in one place on the saddle riding, say a HT 29'er XC, the more you can use spandex. Bigger travel is associated with moving around and coming off the saddle due to terrain. Nothing more annoying than your shorts getting caught on the nose of the saddle. I have recently been using a dropper post with my 5" travel 650b, so I could probably could get away with riding my spandex roadie kit off road, but it would be lame. I'm used to wearing a mtb costume off road anyway: baggies, T shirt, camelbak. When in Rome...

  • 01-20-2013
    Just J
    I myself are baffled at how this thread turns into one where we feel the need to discuss baggies vs Lycra?!

    Any chance of getting back on topic?
  • 01-20-2013
    wheatgerm
    ^^ This
  • 01-20-2013
    DrDon
    My spandex gets caught on the saddle. Very annoying. i may experiment with my expensive multi paneled shorts I use for road.
  • 01-20-2013
    DrDon
    I test rode a SB95 and it felt too big. If I needed longer travel 650b would be the ticket.
  • 01-20-2013
    Glide the Clyde
    I'm pretty much a 29er guy. All my bikes are 29" -- FS, HT, rigid SS. Considering the medium size wheels for a longer travel, more AM type bike but I can't decide between the 650B and the 27.5
  • 01-21-2013
    JMac47
    Ditch those other choices
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    Considering the medium size wheels for a longer travel, more AM type bike but I can't decide between the 650B and the 27.5

    Get the Tweener wheels and get on with it!
  • 01-21-2013
    dwt
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    i'm pretty much a 29er guy. All my bikes are 29" -- fs, ht, rigid ss. Considering the medium size wheels for a longer travel, more am type bike but i can't decide between the 650b and the 27.5

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