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    Davinci troy vs knolly warden

    I'm in a hard place trying to decide which bike I want to go with. Has anyone had any seat time on these bikes. Love to hear about it.

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    No one has ridden on a production Warden, yet. You have to wait for a couple of months.

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    KRob has at least had a brief ride on one of the pre-production Wardens and ridden a Troy. One of the riders at the recent Knolly-fest got to ride a pre-production Warden for a reasonable amount of time.

    Some Warden thoughts are captured here:

    Knollfest: WARDEN Edition

    I would not expect production Wardens to hit the trails until Feb/Mar 2014.
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    Two great looking bikes, high on my consideration set too. I'm getting the feeling the Warden may be a little beefier than the Troy in purpose, but we'll see when more ride reports start coming in.

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    Almost the same boat as me, only Warden or carbon Range. So many great choices these days in the 27.5 market. A few things about the Troy's looks bother me, the front triangle looks a bit odd & nothing flows with that link. I am also not a fan of gloss carbon. Split pivot vs 4x4, hmmmm...The Warden looks killer, hope to get a demo soon.

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    I would agree with SoCalRx with regard to the Warden feeling a bit beefier/AM but I didn't get to ride the Troy on any gnarly trails. On the trail I did ride it on, my impression was that it was fast, and poppy. Almost like a shorter travel Solo/5010. It felt like it might handle the rough chunk nearly as well as the Bronson and Warden. If that's so, it will be a tough one to beat.

    I only had a brief ride down Huckaby trail in Sedona on a Warden whose suspension was set up for someone weighing a good 40-50lbs more than me so no real good input there other than it felt sold, flex free, balanced, and fit me very well. I'm not sure it would stand and hammer and feel as lively/poppy as the Troy even when set up light with carbon wheels etc like the Troy I rode was. But set up can really change the feel of a bike so I won't say it wouldn't either.

    Of the 27.5" 140-150mm trail bikes I've ridden, I'd say the Burner felt most like the Warden. These two don't come in Carbon (yet) so if that's a thing that interests you, look at the Troy or Sight or Altitude.

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    Exactly the 2 bikes I am looking at, love the idea of a snappy pedaler like the Troy, but the Warden geo is dialed.

    I know nothing of Knolly's, How do they pedal?? I want a bike that accelerates quickly

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    Troy for sure. Carbon, Dlink with a life time warranty

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    One issue I looked at when picking a new bike was the BB height. Folks buying new FS bikes that have the low to mid 13" BB's here on our rocky rooty trails are reporting lots of pedal strikes. To the point where more than one is looking at using shorter cranks than they would normally run.

    That got me focused on bikes with higher BB's [my current bike has a 14" BB which I like for lack of pedal strikes]. The Warden had one of the higher options at 13.7" BB height and a 13.2" low setting as well. That made me happy and helped steer me that way.

    Might not matter as much depending where you ride, but for me it was significant.
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    Thanks for the insight guys ! If I went for the aluminum frame would the poppy feeling be lost ? Or does it more have to do with the geo and DW rear end.

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    It is really the suspension more than anything that changes that feeling

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    As a super happy owner of a Troy, I can tell you that it's fantastic (it better be, I bought it!)

    In short, it climbs extremely well and descends just as well. The suspension gives you traction, all the time. I built mine up custom with a Pike up front, and I highly recommend that. It's a prefect compliment to the rear end. Every bump, small to large is sucked up and it plain hauls a$$. One thing I'm noticing is how balanced I feel on the bike, no matter what, I'm always in position. Also, the slow speed rock crawling is exceptional, just sit and spin.

    Vikb is right about the BB height, it's kinda low. It's not a deal breaker, but something to keep in mind, because you will get pedal strikes, but not so many that it will kill your buzz. My last bike had a low BB, so I'm used to compensating for that.

    I wish I could tell you about the Warden, and I know several folks around here that ride Knolly's and swear by them. What I've heard about the 4x4 is only good. I think it will come down to bike fit, because both bikes are killer. Also, the lifetime warranty on the Troy was a selling point, so keep that in mind if, like everyone, you've broken frames in the past.

    Stark, feel free to PM if you have any more questions about the Troy, I'm more than happy to gush.

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    I'll chime in about the Troy as well. One of the things I look for in a bike is how it uses its travel - What I love about the Troy is that it only uses as much suspension as it needs to get over obstacles no matter how big or small. As a result it feels very composed in every situation, studder bumps, medium hits and just full on high speed gnar. I'm also very impressed with the Troy in how it handles the steep (and I mean steep) rooty trails hear in the Pacific Northwest.

    If your torn because the Troy does not have 160mm PM me and I'll let you in on a little secret.

    With that being said the Warden is a great looking bike and I see a lot of Knolly's where I ride so I'm sure it would be a solid bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curbhuck View Post

    I know nothing of Knolly's, How do they pedal?? I want a bike that accelerates quickly
    I like the way the Knolly 4x4 suspension works, especially in how it stays active while pedalling chunky terrain, clawing out tractin on loose climbs, and feeling plush and active on rough descents even while braking. The one thing you give up a little with the 4x4 compared to say DW link bikes is fast, snappy acceleration. They can be set up to be fairly firm while standing and hammering and with the DBAir CS you can always add some platform, but that's not what I'd call their strong suit. Not that they bob terribly while standing and mashing and they certainly stay stable, bob-free while sitting and spinning, just not as firm and "anti-squat" as the dw-link... or even the VPP imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GFreak View Post
    I'll chime in about the Troy as well. One of the things I look for in a bike is how it uses its travel - What I love about the Troy is that it only uses as much suspension as it needs to get over obstacles no matter how big or small. As a result it feels very composed in every situation, studder bumps, medium hits and just full on high speed gnar. I'm also very impressed with the Troy in how it handles the steep (and I mean steep) rooty trails hear in the Pacific Northwest.

    If your torn because the Troy does not have 160mm PM me and I'll let you in on a little secret.

    With that being said the Warden is a great looking bike and I see a lot of Knolly's where I ride so I'm sure it would be a solid bike.
    you summed it up perfectly.

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    can i put 160mm on troy? do i need it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattaponski View Post
    can i put 160mm on troy? do i need it?
    Rumor has it, if you put the Troy in slack mode, put a Cane Creek DB on it, you get almost 160 of travel out of it, so a 160 on the front might be a good compliment. However, that's one of those mods that you only know if it works if you buy the bike. It's a wonderful bike.

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    Sorry. i am not very technical. How do I put in slack mode? Just to clarify, if i put a cane creek DB then I can put 160mm Fork on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rattaponski View Post
    Sorry. i am not very technical. How do I put in slack mode? Just to clarify, if i put a cane creek DB then I can put 160mm Fork on it?
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    There are flip chips at the top seat stay linkage that change the geo by .5 degree. The CCDB has the same eye to eye as the Fox shock, but has 2.25 of stroke vs. 2.0 on the Fox, so you gain travel. I believe it get's bumped up to 155mm.

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    Most of the manufactures make shocks in a 7.875 eye to length with either a 2.0" or 2.25" stroke. The Troy comes with a 2.0" stroke. Installing a 2.25" should give you about 157mm of travel. I did this mod to a specailized sx a few years ago and it made it into a hell of a trail bike. Unfortunatley on the Troy the seat stay bridge will come into contact with the down tube under full compression in the slack setting, so you are limited to running the bike in the High BB setting if you do this mod.

    I am kind a torn on what to do myself. I borrowed a friends CCDB who built up a troy with this mod (several of the Troys that left the shop I work for have had 2.25" CCDB's installed), but it does not fit the XL carbon Troy due to clearance issues with the Down tube hitting the shock air can. IMO a little more travel in the rough would be awesome and the Fox Float that comes with the bike goes to mush on long descents. So either way I getting a new shock for it, but I am loving the geo with a 160mm pike up front in the slack setting. For smoother flow trails the bike is amazing.

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    You can get creative with the shock to prevent the bridge from hitting the down tube when bottoming out with a 2.25" stroke - either add a spacer to the shock to make the stroke a little shorter, or install offset bushings to add clearance when bottoming out and to raise the BB a little, but perhaps the steep settings already does that.

    So the CCDBA works in the alum Troy, but not in the carbon one?

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    demo devinci troy

    I finally have a chance to demo devinci troy with 140mm front and back with 50mm stem. This bike is fast. Climb very nice. should i buy it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattaponski View Post
    I finally have a chance to demo devinci troy with 140mm front and back with 50mm stem. This bike is fast. Climb very nice. should i buy it?
    Yes
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    Try the XP kit with the Pike 150 up front first. Better spec than the FOX IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    You can get creative with the shock to prevent the bridge from hitting the down tube when bottoming out with a 2.25" stroke - either add a spacer to the shock to make the stroke a little shorter, or install offset bushings to add clearance when bottoming out and to raise the BB a little, but perhaps the steep settings already does that.

    So the CCDBA works in the alum Troy, but not in the carbon one?
    From what I was told by cane creek and fanatik bike. The CCDBA fits the carbon model fine but doesn't fit all the sizes of the aluminum. Exactly opposite of what you said.

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