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    650b xc 120mm max fully what frame would u buy??

    Yip as I get older I'm looking at putting together a fully for general xc riding. 650b wheels with a mix of high end parts.
    So give me your thoughts.

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    Flux.

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    Anthem, Jamis Dakar XCT.

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    Ventana Alpino and you can custom tweak it to your hearts delight (for more $$ of course). Custom colors available also.

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    I'm really eyeing the Anthem Adv. 1 27.5, and adding a 120 fork. I also like the SC Solo. Not sure if I like the Trance 27.5's #s.... have to try them on, once they hit the stores.

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    Turner Flux or Ventana Alpino. I'm in the market for a similar bike.

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    I like the Fuel EX or Lapierre Zesty.

    Really hard question, many good trail bikes in this segment, in the end it comes down to personal taste, so test drive availability in your area is critical. strange that nobody mentioned the Solo yet.

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    Thanks for your input, I'm 52 yrs; 20years riding hard tails (steel & ti) I'm loving my ritchey p650, but the body is suffering on long rides.

    I can get a scott spark but I would only want the frame which the importers won't sell me then having to turn around and sell the group set & wheels, bars/stem/post is a hassle.
    Fluxes are easy to get in NZ and I can add my own blend of parts.
    Thanks for your suggestions. Conrad

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    Turner Flux or Santa Cruz solo

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    The Anthem 27.5 frameset is about $1,500 with a Fox CTD shock, build or swap over parts you already have.
    Hardrock 29er, Niner EMD9, Cannondale F29, Camber Expert, 650b Nickel all gone.
    2014 Giant Anthem 27.5 here.

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    Scott Spark 700 (Coming Soon™)

    edit: or not.
    2002 Giant Rincon
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    25 lbs as pictured. 100mm rear / 120mm front.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 650b xc 120mm max fully what frame would u buy??-img-20130813-wa0001.jpg  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti View Post
    25 lbs as pictured. 100mm rear / 120mm front.
    Kirk-

    Can you give us some information on the Morewood? Cost? Weight? Geo? etc.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjones View Post
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    Can you give us some information on the Morewood? Cost? Weight? Geo? etc.

    Thanks

    We are working on that stuff now. Hope to have some info on our new web site very soon.

    email me off list for a few more details.
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    Oooooh... the Morewood looks interesting.

    My votes would be Flux, Solo, or Fuel EX....leaning strongly toward the Flux unless a test ride showed that SC has worked some new magic with the VPP for techy climbing....and reports are that maybe they have. LBS has some in their rental fleet, so I hope to try one out soon.

    Any of the 3 would surely be a really nice bike, but I'm super happy with DW-Link.

    I try to avoid supporting patent infringers like Giant when I can.

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    Might wait to see the new Rocky Mountain Thunderbolt with 120mm front and rear in 27.5 wheel size. I posted some info in a new 27.5 thread.

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    The Fuel EX has always been a good, middle-of-the-road, predictable xc/trail bike. I expect the 27.5 version to be no different. If you don't have any idea what you want, it's one of the better choices. The biggest fault is that it's still a single-pivot at heart, and it will still climb like a (modern, refined) single-pivot.

    For my money, I'd also go with the dw-link. I don't have any saddle time on a Turner, though I've heard that historically their dw implementation has felt a bit more climbing-oriented than other (Ibis, Pivot) implementations, in a way that negatively impacts plushness. Take that bit of internet hearsay with a grain of salt, as your mileage may vary.

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    I agree with laz's Fuel EX evaluation.

    I think Pivot's DW implementation, at least on the Mach 4, 5, 5.7, is pretty aggressive with the antisquat...that's how I came away from a couple different solid test rides anyway.... less plush and moto-y than the Mojo and Mojo SL I've owned, with hardtail-like climbing efficiency. I haven't had a chance to ride any of the DW Turners, but I've heard people knock them for giving up a bit of small bump compliance, usually chocked up to the use of bushings rather than bearings.... but this is just more internet hearsay, really.

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    Actually I've found just the opposite is true. Turner's version tends to be a little more active and plush with Ibis next and Pivot least plush (most efficient anti-squat).

    Not sure if you consider Norco a patent infringer but they have announced a new 120 mm Fluid 650b. The 140mm Sight has received good reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Actually I've found just the opposite is true. Turner's version tends to be a little more active and plush with Ibis next and Pivot least plush (most efficient anti-squat).
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    These comments on the Turner and Pivot agree with my opinion from actually riding both bike brands back to back days...

    Bob

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    That flux sounds great. Is it available yet?
    I can't find it online.

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    Interesting comments on the different DW-link implementations. I have a Pivot Mach 4 and I love it. But I've never ridden an Ibis or a Turner, so I can't compare. I'll have to do more test rides before I buy my next FS frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Actually I've found just the opposite is true. Turner's version tends to be a little more active and plush with Ibis next and Pivot least plush (most efficient anti-squat).

    Not sure if you consider Norco a patent infringer but they have announced a new 120 mm Fluid 650b. The 140mm Sight has received good reviews.
    Good to know. So we're in agreement on Pivot vs Mojo... are you talking about a Mojo/MojoSL, or HD? My experience is with the SL, which has less antisquat built in than the HD does according to Ibis. Like I said, I haven't ridden a DW Turner so you guys will know better than I will. The Flux sure looks like a winner as a fast and nimble trail bike.

    The Norco's look really good too, and I'm pretty sure they cowboy'd up and paid the licensing fees for their suspension design.... unlike Giant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    Good to know. So we're in agreement on Pivot vs Mojo... are you talking about a Mojo/MojoSL, or HD?
    Comparing Turner 5 spot to Mach 5 and Firebird to Mojo HD.
    Haven't ridden the mojo/mojoSL.

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    Just heard back from my local supplier of Scott; yes I can get a spark 710 frame set (that's all), wholesale price $3800 and Jan 014 expected delivery. Well that is just crazy.
    Looking likely I will keep the HT and just suffer on long rides. LOL.

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