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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudbuster View Post
    650 with good spec seem to be way overpriced still
    Correct. My enthusiasm has dampened the more I review the prices and the more it appears that some of the bikes will be difficult or impossible to get even if you have the coin.

    I can wait a year for this mess to sort itself out. Maybe by then the big companies will have 27.5" offerings, thereby increasing supply and choices, and reducing prices.
    Old enough to know better. And old enough not to care. Best age to be.

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    Same here. Let's add some bastardos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    The Bastardo was no conversion! But a fun bike nonetheless
    Emphasis on was. AFAIK, Ventana now is selling only the bigger travel AM bike Zeus in 27.5"
    Old enough to know better. And old enough not to care. Best age to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    The Bastardo was no conversion! But a fun bike nonetheless
    When I mentioned a "bastardo" I did not mean the Bastardo.
    I was thinking more of a bike born of 2 different parents, a 26er frame and a 650b wheel

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    Any reason why the range killer b was not included in the roundup? Is it too similar to the sight? Only asking cause both intense's were included

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    I thought at some point he mentioned he had a Range also but perhaps he's waiting to compare it to the 650 Banshee Rune which should be arriving at some point (Pink Bike has it now). At any rate Francois did mention this shootout will be a kind of work in progress as each new 650B bike becomes available to him for testing. Also absent was the Rocky Altitude (which many people were waiting for), Ventana Zues, Banshee Spitfire, and maybe a few others. For kicks I would like to see him compare the dedicated new 650 bikes to some good conversions like a Mojo HD and some of the Santa Cruz bikes (and you have to think SC is going to jump in soon with so many of their bikes being converted)
    2013 Banshee Spitfire V2 650b

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    Quote Originally Posted by wipp View Post
    Pricey Eh!

    The frame only has a better shock than the B3, but I think amazingly thats it...
    Just interested, which shock is included with the "frame only" package?
    Also is/was there something else included, as someone mentioned that a reverb would be included with the frame only -set...?

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    Is the Burner going to be added to the shootout and if so, do you know when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wipp View Post
    Nice start on the reviews Francois!

    Any idea what the weight difference is between the Norco Range frame and the Sight?

    Thanks.
    Have you received your Range yet wipp? What is the frameset weight? Anyone know what the Sight frameset weight is?

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    I ended up going with a Ventana Zues:



    Bike came in at under 29lbs dropper seatpost and peddles included.

    Quote Originally Posted by coffeeme View Post
    Have you received your Range yet wipp? What is the frameset weight? Anyone know what the Sight frameset weight is?

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    So...were those couple of awkward videos, which contained nothing but opinion, the entire extent of this "shoot out", or is something more thorough coming??? The videos were more about the components than the frames.
    whatever...

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    Yep, I joined just to make this quote: "I have been left wanting!"

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    I hope there is more to come, I already bought a Carbine 275 but it is interesting to hear about other bikes. Vital is doing a trail bike review and they are putting up a different bike just about everyday. It is 26, 27.5 and 29ers, they have already done a review on the Tracer 275 and the Range Killer B and I thought their reviews were very well done.

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    Why are they called 650b instead of 27.5" like 26 and 29?

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    Apparently the new term (according to MBA) is a flat 27". Fine with me.

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    Yeah, MBA (and Scott) can stuff their 27" nomenclature in a dark pit of despair. 27" is what old Schwinn and Raleigh road bikes use, and are still common enough that most bike shops will carry appropriate tires. If we want to see shops take up the 650b/27.5" tires as a stocking part, lets not confuse the customer from the get go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombinate View Post
    Yeah, MBA (and Scott) can stuff their 27" nomenclature in a dark pit of despair. 27" is what old Schwinn and Raleigh road bikes use, and are still common enough that most bike shops will carry appropriate tires. If we want to see shops take up the 650b/27.5" tires as a stocking part, lets not confuse the customer from the get go.
    Uh, can I get some of what you're smoking? Just give me what I want and label it simply enough for you to understand.

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    650b All Mountain Bike Shootout

    Citing MBA as your source may lead to credibility problems.


    650b is the original name for wheels with 584mm Bead seat diameter....comes from a time when wheels (in mainland Europe) were measured by the tire's outside diameter (650mm in this case), and the letter corresponded to differing tire sizes.... So 650a, b, c would all have the same outer diameter, but 3 different tire volumes and rim diameters. And yep, there was a time when there were 700a, 700b, and 700c too.....but the a's and b's fell by the wayside.
    27.5" is accurate enough, unique enough, and in keeping with other Mtb convention that it will likely stick.

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    How is that shootout coming along, Francois? craving info/opinions

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    "27.5" is accurate enough, unique enough, and in keeping with other Mtb convention that it will likely stick. "

    I just want fewer syllables!

    On a pertinent note, where are the shootout results? Is this a dead project?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentPhatrick View Post
    I just want fewer syllables!
    How 'bout "Six Fiddie"

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentPhatrick View Post
    "27.5" is accurate enough, unique enough, and in keeping with other Mtb convention that it will likely stick. "

    I just want fewer syllables!
    "Two seventy five" is one more syllable than "twenty nine er," if that works for you. I spend lots more syllables explaining the whys and wherefores in trailhead conversations than I do just saying it. B-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentPhatrick View Post
    "27.5" is accurate enough, unique enough, and in keeping with other Mtb convention that it will likely stick. "

    I just want fewer syllables!
    Reminds me of this old SNL skit:

    SNL Transcripts: Jason Patric: 01/08/93: The Road To Self-Improvement
    To ride this trail is completely free.
    Just show me a triangle..... make it three!

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    I just converted my Firebird to 650B, and I would put it up against any of these bikes, and I did not have to buy a whole new bike to do it.

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