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    Waltworks Ultimate Warrior

    I've spent the past week or so trying to decide which section to put this but the brief to Walt was basically as follows:

    Iíve been looking at the new Santa Cruz Hightower, thinking how great would that bike be to ride, something that is designed to run both 29Ē and Plus tyres optimally, but then I realise that this kind of thing may not be achievable with a hard tail? Unless we could replicate their flip chip adjustability somehow? Maybe via the drop outs or BB?
    Executive summary would be something like: a hardtail for hardtail stuff that isn't unwilling to take on the really rough stuff where a FS bike might be a "better" choice.

    So basically over the past 5 months myself and Walt have been discussing options, what I was looking for from a bike, my body measurements etc and this is what we (well Walt!) came up with...

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    I wanted to be able to run a 170mm Reverb dropper for the most standover. I have pretty long arms so the top tube might appear to be really long too, but basically this frame is tailored to me 100%.

    I didn't want the BB to be too low as I tend to get frustrated with that current trend in the rocky terrain we tend to have round these parts.

    I wanted a stable bike with a nice short rear end, this one actually comes out between 410mm and 425mm, which is pretty darn cool if you ask me?!

    We decided that if we were going to go with 27.7+ and 29" wheels then why not make this thing ultra adjustable, we'd use Boost 148mm Paragon Polydrops with a 6mm offset (so I can run dishless wheels) AND a Niner EBB along with a Boost 110mm Fox 34 120mm fork in order to allow the use of the following wheel and tyre combos:

    This info direct from Walt,
    (all numbers plus/minus 5mm or so, tires vary in actual size a lot):

    -29x3 is about 385mm radius
    -29x2.4 is going to be about 370mm radius
    -27.5x3.8 (Hodags) is about 370mm radius
    -27.5x3 is about 360mm radius
    -26x3.8 (Hodags, Nates) is going to be about 360mm radius
    -27.5x2.4 is about 350mm radius

    The EBB is optimized to be run in the "up" position with 27.5x3 (~360mm) for the ~320mm BB height in the design. If you use a bigger tire, the BB height will go up (ie, it'll be about 335-340mm with a 29x3) in which case you'd *probably* want to spin around to the "down" position to drop the BB by 15mm to roughly match.

    All of the smaller tire options will generally be best run in the up position on the EBB.


    The rockers can be adjusted however you wish to maximize tire clearance, achieve shortest possible chainstay length, etc. No set position will be "best", it will depend on your preferences and the tires you're running.

    I give you The Ultimate Warrior...





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    It'll be in powder coating early next week so I'll post some more images as we have them and of course some build pictures and riding reports later on too.

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    This is the colour I've gone with:



    This will be the first wheel setup I'll run, Hope Pro 4 Evo Boost hubs, Ibis 741 rims and 2.8" tyres, either these Nobby Nics or the Maxxis Ikon/Rekon setup coming on the way over to me...





    I've got a nice build planned for this, running XX1/X01 initially with a Race Face Next SL crankset so I can flip the ring for more clearance to be able to run 3.8" tyres during the winter.

    I won't bore you with specs unless you want me to.

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    Bore away!

    That's a beautiful rig and I love the thoughtfulness that goes into a build like this

    Congrats and keep sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by blidner View Post
    Bore away!

    That's a beautiful rig and I love the thoughtfulness that goes into a build like this

    Congrats and keep sharing
    Thanks very much, I'm really excited about this project!

    This is my 27 plus setup:

    Waltworks Custom BIKE BUILD

    FRAME: Waltworks Custom Ultimate Warrior

    FORKS: Fox 34 120 Float Factory

    RIMS: Ibis 741

    HUBS: Hope Pro 4 Evo Orange

    SPOKES: DT Swiss

    HANDLEBARS: Thomson Ti 760mm

    STEM: Thomson 50mm silver

    SPACERS: Hope Orange

    GRIPS: ESI Fit CR Orange

    SEATPOST: Rockshox Reverb Stealth 170mm

    SADDLE: Fabric Scoop Race Shallow Ti

    CRANKSET: Raceface Next SL

    CHAINRING: One Up Oval 30T

    BOTTOM BRACKET: Hope Ceramic Orange

    CHAIN: SRAM XX1

    REAR DERAILIEUR: SRAM XXO

    CASSETTE: SRAM XX1

    SHIFTER: SRAM XXO

    BRAKES: SRAM Guide RSC

    DISCS: SRAM Centreline 180mm

    TYRES: Maxxis Ikon & Recon 2.8"

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    That's is an impressive build spec

    The orange accents will be very cool on the bike

    Keep the photos coming -

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    Thanks, I certainly will.

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    Will be VERY interested to see this thing together. As said above, love the thought and planning that was put into this one.
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    cool project. Walt is the man for this kind of thing!

    getting a custom bike that can be run in different configurations is an interesting concept. on the one hand you want a custom bike that is not a compromise, usually, but if the flip side is a few extra grams of dropout and bb, and then it can be configured to different wheel sizes, why not!

    in time i wonder if you will settle on one wheel size in particular or keep swapping. it's a question i have always asked myself as well!

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    Thanks guys!

    The way we saw it was for the sake of a 200g BB it was worth it for the versatility. I wouldn't be surprised if I settle into a wheel size and stick to it 90% of the time, I'm betting it'll be 29" x 2.5 or similar BUT it's going to be nice to have various options to suit conditions etc.

    Walt has been fantastic to deal with, he's steered me and guided towards where we are both happy that we'll achieve what I was looking to and a bit more too hopefully!

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    wow, amazing build. what I would want if I could afford a custom frame...

    holy tire clearance.

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    Can't wait to see this all come together, and some post-ride impressions. Great looking build, JustJ!
    Do it however you want to do it. You don't owe anyone an explanation.

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    Thanks guys! Should have some more pics soon.

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    If you don't follow his color scheme, have tassels hanging off your handlebars, or wear the same boots...you CANNOT call your bike the ultimate warrior. You will get hulk smashed

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    Ha ha I do have orange hubs and other hope goodies!

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    Quick update, Walt took these pics of the finished frame showing the cable routing etc just before sending to the powder coaters.

    Should be around 2 weeks...




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    Nice, l like the curve in the top tube
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    Based on those specs it should be an awesome ride!
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    It's amazing what happens around here lately! Walt's briefs get mentioned and bikes appear. @.o
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    It's amazing what happens around here lately! Walt's briefs get mentioned and bikes appear. @.o
    What do you mean?

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    Looks great! Can't wait to see it when it gets back from powder.

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    Thanks ianick, here's a couple of pics Walt sent me a few days ago...





    She's in her way over the sea to me at the moment so I'll post some pics of the build ASAP.

    In the mean time here are my 29/29 plus wheels I have set up and waiting.

    Easton Arc 35
    Hope Pro 4 Evo boost
    DT Comp spokes.



    But first I intend on trying the bike in its 27 plus guise.


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    Looks great! Can't wait to hear a ride report, especially once you get some miles on both wheelsets. I dig the color, should look great once built up.

    I'm in the queue for a very similar build.

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    Thanks Ianick, I should have it tomorrow with a bit of luck. I'll update with some pics soon.

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    Let'sssss getttttttt rrrrrrrready to rummmmmbbbbblllllllle!






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    That's going to make a sharp build!
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    Agree, going to be very sweet Frame colour is nice enough, but doesn't do it for me, would have gone for something a bit brighter or just plain RAW, but the actual bike, geo and parts, killer Can't wait to see it completed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Frame colour is nice enough, but doesn't do it for me, would have gone for something a bit brighter or just plain RAW
    Didn't your mother ever teach you to just stfu sometimes? Maybe a couple smacks in the mouth would have gotten that point across!

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    Ha ha it's ok, my wife doesn't like it either but I do and seriously it looks much better in real life! I'll post some pics up once the build is complete. I'm hoping to ride it on its maiden voyage this weekend.

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    That's the great thing about having so many color options, we can choose what colors and scheme's we each personally like. I like some bright/flashy frame colors and also like some subtle (even matte finish) frame colors.

    I like this frame and accent color combination.
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    Didn't yours teach you to not eat so much? Take your BS elsewhere, OP likes it and that's all that matter, but seems, you don't think anyone else should have their own opinion if it differs

    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Didn't your mother ever teach you to just stfu sometimes? Maybe a couple smacks in the mouth would have gotten that point across!
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    Come on, there's no place for this kind of talk in this thread, jonshonda was just trying to get that across I think.

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    Anyway here's a little teaser...



    Yeah I know my cables are too long, I have no chain etc etc!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Didn't yours teach you to not eat so much? Take your BS elsewhere, OP likes it and that's all that matter, but seems, you don't think anyone else should have their own opinion if it differs
    Ohh a fat joke...good for you. Take my BS elsewhere, pot calling the kettle black..don't you think? Judging by the several PMs I got, many others "opinions" of you are similar to mine. Keep on shit posting, anything different would be quite unusual.

    Sorry for the derailment OP, bike looking great!

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    I love the color with the orange accents. That thing should ride kick ass!
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    I thought you were starting with 27+?
    Looks good, but l want to see it full fat, and the clearances.
    Is the seat post clamp around the wrong way? or are my eyes playing tricks on me..........again
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmg71 View Post
    I thought you were starting with 27+?
    Looks good, but l want to see it full fat, and the clearances.
    Is the seat post clamp around the wrong way? or are my eyes playing tricks on me..........again
    That is 27+, 2.8 Nobby Nics to be exact, not the widest of tyres but they're definitely plus and there's plenty of room to spare.

    I'll be having some Easton Arc 45 rims built onto Hope hubs built a little later in the year and I'll be running Hodag 3.8's on there. Obviously I'll post clearance pics etc as we go on.

    I got Walt to cut a forward facing seat tube slot in the frame in order to cope better with UK crud so your eyes are not deceiving you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBG 18T View Post
    I love the color with the orange accents. That thing should ride kick ass!
    Thanks, I hope so! Glad you like the orange, I wasn't 100% sure if it would work as time went on through the process, that's why I had the 29er wheels made with silver hubs. But now it's pieced together I reckon it looks pretty cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    That is 27+, 2.8 Nobby Nics to be exact, not the widest of tyres but they're definitely plus and there's plenty of room to spare.
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    Oh sorry, thought l read 29 on the tyres.
    With clearances, l meant when you have it full fat (because everything else is just an imitation )
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmg71 View Post
    Oh sorry, thought l read 29 on the tyres.
    With clearances, l meant when you have it full fat (because everything else is just an imitation )
    I'll post some full fat pics as soon as I get the wheels together.

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    That build is the Ultimate! Well thought out and would not change a thing J! Love the concept of changing wheels/tires when you want a different ride for the seasons....sweet!
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    I'll throw my hat in the ring.

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    Nice bike indeed. Walt is great to work with on a project like this. I like the idea of using both an EBB and a rocker setup, as it lets you dial in chainstay length and BB height independently for each wheel size. I will say I'm not a big fan of the yoke used, but if it works, it works.

    I think your color choice looks great together, well except for that green chainring, that has to go!

    BTW, the slot in the seat tube should always be forward to keep it away from crap flung up from the rear wheel. Not sure why it was traditionally on the back.

    Good luck with the bike and build, and keep the pictures coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker View Post
    That build is the Ultimate! Well thought out and would not change a thing J! Love the concept of changing wheels/tires when you want a different ride for the seasons....sweet!
    Thanks very much, glad you like it. My thinking is, in theory i should only ever need this bike along side a full suspension and a cyclocross bike, but who knows, this WW might become all the bike I'll ever need?!... That's how I got it past the wife anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sternomac View Post
    I'll throw my hat in the ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Nice bike indeed. Walt is great to work with on a project like this. I like the idea of using both an EBB and a rocker setup, as it lets you dial in chainstay length and BB height independently for each wheel size. I will say I'm not a big fan of the yoke used, but if it works, it works.

    I think your color choice looks great together, well except for that green chainring, that has to go!

    BTW, the slot in the seat tube should always be forward to keep it away from crap flung up from the rear wheel. Not sure why it was traditionally on the back.

    Good luck with the bike and build, and keep the pictures coming!
    Thanks, yeah Walt has been fantastic on this build, I've always liked the look of his bikes, there's just something about them. I actually like the yoke, it's a cool solution, I know the paragon plus yoke is total bike porn but his one gets the job done as you say.

    That green chainring is a temporary measure until I find an orange Raceface one.

    I've also always wondered why some manufacturers place the slot facing crudside first, it was one of my requirements for this build to have it on the right way round.

    Thanks for your kind words, the bike is currently in a shop having a few tweaks before being able to take some glamour shots before taking it out for its first ride. I think I've decided on a name for her though...

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    Wow it really turned out great! Excellent parts selection. The colors go together very well. Was the Paragon yoke an upcharge? I just checked it out and it is total bike porn!

    Looking forward to more pictures and first ride report.

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    Waltworks Ultimate Warrior

    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    Wow it really turned out great! Excellent parts selection. The colors go together very well. Was the Paragon yoke an upcharge? I just checked it out and it is total bike porn!

    Looking forward to more pictures and first ride report.
    Thanks ianick! No Walt covers most things apart from decouplers I think but it was decided that as this build is unique in its versatility in terms of the many wheel sizes it can run that Walt's yoke would be the better option.

    Just for some more info, here are the 29" wheels setup with the Chupacabras. Looking forward to trying these bad boys out!




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    Love it, man that thing looks like it would be a riot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    Wow it really turned out great! Excellent parts selection. The colors go together very well. Was the Paragon yoke an upcharge? I just checked it out and it is total bike porn!

    Looking forward to more pictures and first ride report.
    The Paragon yoke does indeed look nice, but it will only fit up to a 3" tire. No way to squeeze those 27.5 x 3.8 Hodags in it.

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    29+ now your talking, 27+ look small for that frame.

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    Very Nice!

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    Thanks guys!

    Meet Payton...











    Loads of clearance with 27.5x2.8's on the shortest (410mm) chainstay setting with the BB set in the up position.





















    Had an issue with the Hope BB, due to the fact it's massive and wasn't sitting well with the Niner EBB, in the end I had to revert to a Rave Face Cinch BB and all is well.

    Only had a couple of shake down rides but so far I can tell you that this bike feels very fast and very comfortable. It fits me like a glove and so it should. We spent a long time fitting this thing up so I feel totally comfortable on it. It's perfect for me and I'm very happy so far.

    I think her name is self-explanatory, especially if you know the story behind Walt (shhh Walt isn't his real name!) but all my bikes have girls names and I felt that Payton suits her down to the ground!

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    Was waiting to see it all built up, have to say, despite not initially liking the colour, paired with the orange bits it really works,looks excellent or as the guys on GMBN would say Super Nice Curious what pedals those are, they are THE biggest I think I've ever seen? Pity you couldn't find any matching orange ano bottle cages, that would have just absolutely finished it off, IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Was waiting to see it all built up, have to say, despite not initially liking the colour, paired with the orange bits it really works,looks excellent or as the guys on GMBN would say Super Nice Curious what pedals those are, they are THE biggest I think I've ever seen? Pity you couldn't find any matching orange ano bottle cages, that would have just absolutely finished it off, IMHO.
    Ha ha thanks LyNx, glad you like it now!

    They are Pedalling Innovations Catslyst pedals and I swear by them. These are the limited edition gooooolllld ones. Have a read up on them, they're great.

    Those cages don't need to be orange, they're titanium King Cages to match the titanium Thomson bar! . I also snuck a King Cage Manything cage under he down tube, should come in handy for bikepacking trips for carrying a dry bag or a bottle of something alcoholic!

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    Lookiing at a piece of rideable art!! Top job, mistuh...

    Walt makes some kewl stuff.
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    Very nice........
    still waiting for full fat pics 😉
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    Thanks guys and patience cmg71!

    I'll be riding it 27plus for the next few days (although I wish I bought myself some 3" tyres now!) and running 29plus (with 3" tyres!) next weekend for comparison. I'll then order up my wheel parts for the full fat tyres.

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    Looks really nice! Much better with the orange chainring vs. the green one. That thing deserves some bigger meat, I think you should go right to 27.5x3.25 tires, get rid of those little 2.8s!

    One warning: I would remove that Manything cage from under the downtube for normal riding, as cages down there are prone to breaking, usually on a big log!

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    BADASS looking steed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Looks really nice! Much better with the orange chainring vs. the green one. That thing deserves some bigger meat, I think you should go right to 27.5x3.25 tires, get rid of those little 2.8s!

    One warning: I would remove that Manything cage from under the downtube for normal riding, as cages down there are prone to breaking, usually on a big log!
    Thanks, yeah it's just on as I'll be using it over the weekend, testing it out.

    Having ridden a few plus bikes recently I'm definitely more in favour of the wider tyres but I'll see how these go and I've also got some Ikon and Rekon+ on order to try too which I actually prefer over the NN's.

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    BADASS looking steed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Looks really nice! Much better with the orange chainring vs. the green one. That thing deserves some bigger meat, I think you should go right to 27.5x3.25 tires, get rid of those little 2.8s!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    Thanks guys!

    Meet Payton...

    payton's way cool with orange accent bits, 650b+ 3.0 would be the perfect fit.
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    More jealous of your bike budget though.

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    Sweeeeeet! Walt is starting on mine in the next week or so and we have pretty much the same exact build. I'm going with a standard BB though, as I'm not worried about the BB change with the different tire combos (I actually kind of welcome it). Mine will be optimized for 370mm (standard 29er) and if I run 29+ I will want it to be higher as it will be a bikepacking trip where I won't care about handling and will want the extra clearance. On the fat winter tires (26x3.8 Nate front, 26x3.8 Hodag rear) it'll be a touch lower and that's totally ok too, actually preferred. All with that Fox 34 120mm fork.

    I can't wait to have the ultimate hardtail. Wanna rip? standard 29er. Wanna float? 26x3.8. Wanna be comfy and cushy? Put 3.0 tires on those 29er wheels. All with "standard" mountain bike components (Boost spacing, 73mm BB, etc). STOKED

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    Waiting to hear your thoughts on B+ vs 29+. For me if I can fit 29+ on a rigid/HT, then that's what goes on, if not a 2.8" 650B+ will work better to take the edge off than a normal 2.4" 29er tyre.

    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    I'll be riding it 27plus for the next few days (although I wish I bought myself some 3" tyres now!) and running 29plus (with 3" tyres!) next weekend for comparison. I'll then order up my wheel parts for the full fat tyres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trhoppe View Post
    Sweeeeeet! Walt is starting on mine in the next week or so and we have pretty much the same exact build. I'm going with a standard BB though, as I'm not worried about the BB change with the different tire combos (I actually kind of welcome it). Mine will be optimized for 370mm (standard 29er) and if I run 29+ I will want it to be higher as it will be a bikepacking trip where I won't care about handling and will want the extra clearance. On the fat winter tires (26x3.8 Nate front, 26x3.8 Hodag rear) it'll be a touch lower and that's totally ok too, actually preferred. All with that Fox 34 120mm fork.

    I can't wait to have the ultimate hardtail. Wanna rip? standard 29er. Wanna float? 26x3.8. Wanna be comfy and cushy? Put 3.0 tires on those 29er wheels. All with "standard" mountain bike components (Boost spacing, 73mm BB, etc). STOKED
    Looking forward to see yours too then! It's amazing what Walt can do! Enjoy yours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Waiting to hear your thoughts on B+ vs 29+. For me if I can fit 29+ on a rigid/HT, then that's what goes on, if not a 2.8" 650B+ will work better to take the edge off than a normal 2.4" 29er tyre.
    I'm looking forward to having some thoughts! My only experience of 29+ was on a quick ride on a Trek Stache so it'll be interesting to see what I gel wii the most. To be honest I have a feeling I'll mostly run 29x2.4/5 or there abouts but time will tell once I've put some miles on this baby. It's good to have options!

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    Yeah, nice to have such a versatile bike with options, but I can tell you, if you're even slightly old or have some aches and pains, PLUS is the answer for a HT/Rigid, no going back once you give it a go, IMHO. None of my personal rigid/HT bikes will ever not be B+/29+ in the future, too many aches from injuries I didn't take care of properly, need all the edge off I can get, even considering a suspension post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    I'm looking forward to having some thoughts! My only experience of 29+ was on a quick ride on a Trek Stache so it'll be interesting to see what I gel wii the most. To be honest I have a feeling I'll mostly run 29x2.4/5 or there abouts but time will tell once I've put some miles on this baby. It's good to have options!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Yeah, nice to have such a versatile bike with options, but I can tell you, if you're even slightly old or have some aches and pains, PLUS is the answer for a HT/Rigid, no going back once you give it a go, IMHO. None of my personal rigid/HT bikes will ever not be B+/29+ in the future, too many aches from injuries I didn't take care of properly, need all the edge off I can get, even considering a suspension post.
    That's interesting and you're definitely not the first person I have seen saying similar.

    I'm "only" 39! LOL. Thankfully no real aches or pains at the moment but what I will say having managed to get a quick spin around my local woods is - this is the plus bike I was looking for!

    I've tested quite a few lately, I own a Charge Cooker 0 SS and although it has plus tyres, I think they're filled with concrete compared to this thing! I've also recently tried the Hightower, Genius and HD3 and wasn't that impressed with any of them to be honest. This thing seems to wipe the floor with them in terms of feel, handling and fit. What I said about probably running 29x2.4 could have been said far too soon!...

    Very happy with this bike so far!

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    Sweet looking' bike!

    As far as mostly riding 29x2.4s, and now not so sure: I hear you. I've only got a few rides on my 29x3.00 Gnarvester, but I can't see putting skinny tires on it. I'f I want to roll 2.4s it will be on my suspension bike (Tallboy LTc).
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    Thanks reamer41!

    Had a good ride this morning, took the bike out to shake it down across the North York Moors, managed some climbs I don't usually manage to get up and got to know the bike.

    Got to say, it does exactly what I wanted of it, pedals well, corners nicely, floats over stuff and is generally a really well sorted bike that fits me perfectly. Can't wait to try those big wheels out next time though!








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    Just J, That Walt guy does some nice frame builds, indeed! Looks great and nice to see your new friend out in the wild!

    Congratz on that gorgeous new bike!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Just J, That Walt guy does some nice frame builds, indeed! Looks great and nice to see your new friend out in the wild!

    Congratz on that gorgeous new bike!!
    Thank you, I appreciate it!

    I've had no doubt that Walt was definitely the man to take on this project, looking forward to putting miles on this thing over the years.

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    Top shelf. Do you have to deflate the back tire to get it in the frame?

    Also, seeing the bare ti parts on your bike makes me kinda wish we'd get away from all the d*mn black parts. Shiny metal is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azjeff View Post
    Top shelf. Do you have to deflate the back tire to get it in the frame?

    Also, seeing the bare ti parts on your bike makes me kinda wish we'd get away from all the d*mn black parts. Shiny metal is good.
    Thanks!

    I'll have to deflate the 29x3.0 and 3.8 tyres to get them into the yoke but that's not a problem.

    I've always had a soft spot for bare Ti and also raw stuff in general, I love the dropouts on this thing where Walt shaved the bits that rub on each other and I must admit that I'm so glad I went with that Ti handlebar!

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    Funny you have the same attitude about blacking stuff out on a bike that I do. I went to great extents to get rid of the boring contrastless black on my bike parts. That included polishing out a pair of Scrapers before lacing em up with orange hubs and blue nipples with stainless spokes. Now the bike looks bytchen instead of average. I think that is one aspect of Just J's build that makes it look groovier, but then it is a WaltWorx creation... I would love to see that bike in person as pix prolly don't do it the justice it deserves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Funny you have the same attitude about blacking stuff out on a bike that I do. I went to great extents to get rid of the boring contrastless black on my bike parts. That included polishing out a pair of Scrapers before lacing em up with orange hubs and blue nipples with stainless spokes. Now the bike looks bytchen instead of average. I think that is one aspect of Just J's build that makes it look groovier, but then it is a WaltWorx creation... I would love to see that bike in person as pix prolly don't do it the justice it deserves.
    Those rims of yours do look pretty awesome!! I'll take some detail shots as time goes by and add them to this thread.

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    So, what HT/rigid bikes have you had before this to compare it to? Curious how active/plush you feel the rear is from frame compliance as compared to the PLUS tyres, will be looking for your views if you do actually try normal 29"x2.4" tyres on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    So, what HT/rigid bikes have you had before this to compare it to? Curious how active/plush you feel the rear is from frame compliance as compared to the PLUS tyres, will be looking for your views if you do actually try normal 29"x2.4" tyres on it.
    Well I'll try and put my list of previous hardtails in order:

    1992 Orange Clockwork DX
    1999 ish Marin something something
    2000 Giant ATX Team XC
    2006 ish Salsa Ala Carte
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    Orange P7
    Stanton Slackline
    Cove Hummer 650bj
    Trek Farley 8
    Charge Cooker 0

    I think that's all the hardtails covered?!!

    I'd say this bike is one of, if not the most comfortable HT's I've owned and I'm pretty sure it's not down to the tyres either. The frame seems pretty compliant to me, springy in the right places and stiff where it counts and that to me is what makes a good steel frame in my opinion.

    The Dekerf was the closest in feel to this bike, I rode that bike for quite a while and never missed FS whilst I owned it. Followed by the Oranges. The Salsa was springy all over the place, very much an old school XC bike feel to it. Not a bike I enjoyed very much to be honest.

    Comparing steel to Ti, well in my limited experience I'd choose steel all day long. The Cove I owned had a very flexy front end and the rear was not as compliant as I'd have liked it to have been.

    I will definitely try normal 29x2.4 tyres soon. I've got some Maxxis Minion SS and DHR WT coming soon...

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    Waltworks Ultimate Warrior

    Also I forgot to say that my bike got bike of the day on Vital MTB today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    Also I forgot to say that my bike got bike of the day on Vital MTB today!

    Waltworks Ultimate Warrior - j5bws's Bike Check - Vital MTB

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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Congratz to you, J! And you too, Walt... Teamwork happened here.
    Thank you, it sure did!

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    So inquisitiveness purveyed and this happened this morning!





    So easy to do, I just slid the dropouts back on their longest (425mm) setting (although I could slide them at least half the way back again if I wished), put the wheels in (without having to deflate the rear actually!) and I set the BB to the lower setting to compensate.



    There's an absolute tonne of clearance there again and it feels awesome!









    Managed to get a quick 4 mile local shake down ride in and it's amazing how the handling is still just as direct as in the smaller wheel setting but the grip levels are even higher.

    I always take my bikes on some long steps that go into my local woods, I managed to fly down them without braking on this bike, far more comfortably than I have on my past couple of FS bikes too!

    I think I love this thing!

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    That thing is soooo cool looking! Love that color as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat Ark View Post
    That thing is soooo cool looking! Love that color as well!

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    Looks even better with the big wheels on. Looks .... Just right.

    I'm betting that 29+ will be the norm for you on that bike.


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    Looks great in 29+ mode. I really like how the ebb can move around with the wheel size. I suppose a saddle adjustment needs to happen with the ebb move? Wonder how the climbing will feel w/ the slightly longer stays?

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    Thanks guys.

    Yes I made sure the saddle was at my preferred height but that's pretty much it, the reach etc won't be any different I don't think.

    Climbing seems fine, maybe a little less urgent but I'd put that down mainly to the slightly heavier wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    Looks even better with the big wheels on. Looks .... Just right.
    I have to agree, looks tops
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    Waltworks Ultimate Warrior

    Got a few miles under my belt this morning on the bike and the 29 Plus wheels and wow! This thing rails and does it in a way that I've not experienced before.

    I've always said that I wasn't blown away by 27.5 plus wheels, also feeling a bit muted and slow to me on other bikes I've tried, however, I really like the way my Walt rides with the 27 plus wheels but having now tried the 29" plus, I see no real reason to go back other then for sh**s n giggles for the sake of it!

    I was able to ride the bike as hard as I would a 140mm full suspension bike and the tyres just seem more in contact with the trail for some reason, getting none of that vagueness or squirm experienced on 27 plus.

    I've not been this blown away with a bike since my first ride out on a truly sorted 29er. The difference is huge and I can't see any pitfalls of running this setup. It climbs well (set some decent up and down hill PR's today), it's comfortable, it charges through rough terrain and downhill like nobody's business yet it also rails both high and low speed corners like nothing else. The bike is eager to pop, jump, hop and skip as if it's cerebrally connected to me too, this was a pleasant surprise for me as it made me actually feel like a decent rider today!! Really impressed!

    Walt really has done an amazing job here, he's managed to extract my brief and put into a bike that does everything exactly how I want from a bike.

    If there are any down sides to this bike, I can only think of one and that's that I can put it through the kind of terrain that a full suspension bike would be more at home on, resulting in my being a bit surprised when the bike bites back at me for being so cheeky! That's a good thing though, right?!

    Here's some pics from today's ride:


    The moment when everything just gels...




    Front end detail...




    I'm not sure how I got through this bit, the ferns were a foot above my head and were so thick that only momentum gathered up top pushed me through them along with the huge wheels helping along the way! I kept falling into gullies that were impossible to see but the bike got me through to the end.


    I always thought that this wall could do with a gate! This thing is big but rides small if that makes sense?...








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    Pure goodness, J!! Looks damn good, indeed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    Pure goodness, J!! Looks damn good, indeed...
    Thanks man!

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    Makes me want one. Glad you like it! A new bike that is as awesome as you expected it to be, is pure bliss.

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    You know, it really does get tiring sometimes to have to keep telling people "I told you so" Was just waiting for you to ride it on the 29+ and confirm what I already knew - they're dangerous, can handle way more than you'd think
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    Ha ha right again eh LyNx?!

    I just thought the huge wheels might make the bike a bit slow witted but nope, they make it even better in every situation as far as I can tell so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    Looks even better with the big wheels on. Looks .... Just right.

    I'm betting that 29+ will be the norm for you on that bike.
    Ha ha. As I said...
    I recently took my first rides on my 29+ Gnarvester. I get what you're saying and feeling regarding g those big wheels.



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    Walt did a great job on your bike. It looks a lot better with 29+ wheels with that big a frame. For a hardtail I'd go straight to 29+. With the right geo it will handle well and the roll though of those tall tires is amazing.

    I occasionally get tempted to get a new 29+...something custom or semi-custom. So far I have resisted. Your bike isn't helping though!

    Have fun on the new ride.
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    Thanks guys, I'm really enjoying this thing and I'm glad that I'm going to be able to test out various wheel sizes as time goes by.

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