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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Did you look at the tool that';s magnetic and fits into the crank? Just curious, think the OneUp tool is very cool and great design, but if you're going to add weight to a bike, the lower the better IMHO.

    And yes, have to agree with Nitros on the colour

    Also think the black ring looks better, the gold just stood out too much compared to the rest of the orange. Post some closeups of it and your clearance. Also you must need to place a For Sale ad for all the stuff you've tried on Payton that didn't work out
    I did look at the Anything Tool (I think it's called) (nope All In Multitool) but one, it doesn't fit in RF cranks and two, I've seen them rust within a couple of rides so on that basis I'm out.

    I'll take some close ups over the weekend and yes you're right I really should put some of this stuff up for sale!


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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Did you look at the tool that';s magnetic and fits into the crank? Just curious, think the OneUp tool is very cool and great design, but if you're going to add weight to a bike, the lower the better IMHO.

    And yes, have to agree with Nitros on the colour

    Also think the black ring looks better, the gold just stood out too much compared to the rest of the orange. Post some closeups of it and your clearance. Also you must need to place a For Sale ad for all the stuff you've tried on Payton that didn't work out
    What's this magnetic tool holder that fits in the cranks you speak of? Sounds interesting.

    Edit: Never mind, found it: https://www.allinmultitool.co.uk/

    I like it! Agreed that's a better place to store tools, down low. Pricey though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    What's this magnetic tool holder that fits in the cranks you speak of? Sounds interesting.
    https://www.allinmultitool.co.uk/


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    Quote Originally Posted by gpgalanis View Post
    The OneUp idea is good but I am afraid that the fork warranty will be voided. I have asked OneUp about this in Facebook but never got any reply.
    If these threads void the fork warranty, installing a star nut should void it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gpgalanis View Post
    The OneUp idea is good but I am afraid that the fork warranty will be voided. I have asked OneUp about this in Facebook but never got any reply.
    The way I look at it is you get a one year warranty on a Fox fork, 2 if you're in the EU (I'm not sure if we, in the UK are in the EU or not to be honest?! ) and I've had my 34 a year next month. I doubt even Fox are at all bothered if you cut a 5mm thread in your steerer or not. It's a non issue if you see how neat their cutting tool performs the task.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    What's this magnetic tool holder that fits in the cranks you speak of? Sounds interesting.

    Edit: Never mind, found it: https://www.allinmultitool.co.uk/

    I like it! Agreed that's a better place to store tools, down low. Pricey though.
    And it rusts with the slightest bit of moisture, which tends to gather down there.

    The other on bike tool kit I considered apart from my Syncros bottle cage was the Industry 9 thru-axle but they are mega bucks and don't offer as many tools and options as the One Up.


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    Just for LyNx, as I was pumping tyres up and getting her ready for the weekend...







    There's definitely more room with the 30T ring compared he the 32 and I'm also able to run the BB further back to achieve a shorter chainstay as it was always designed to run a 30T. I might lose a little too end but I've been running Eagle with a 30T ring on my Pivot as standard and it feels great everywhere else.


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    Got my first ride in yesterday and the first proper ride on the new wheel and tyre setup most importantly. It has been raining a lot lately and there is a lot of puddles and mud again but thankfully the Minion DHF seemed unphased, giving the front end the extra confidence that may have been lacking a little with the Chups. I definitely didn't feel a difference in weight, probably thanks to the carbon rims.

    The wheels feel awesome, so keen to spin up to speed and as I've been able to drop the psi a little (currently 15r/14f) there is some added traction there too. They feel a lot stiffer than my Arc wheels, the only downside is that the bike may feel a little harsher now, but I'm sure I have the option to lower the pressures in the tyres again, so I'm happy with that. Very happy with this wheelset.

    The new One Up Switch chainring system seems great, I think the clocking must be slightly different than the Absolute black as I think it works better, more traction, smoother pedalling etc. These things are hard to quantify though and it could be that I've been riding my Pivot more lately that doesn't have an oval ring yet.

    I realised on my ride when I was thinking about this thread that I didn't post a picture of the ring fully clocked near the yoke, I'll sort that later, but I'm happy to report that there is no interference, the clearance is there and working how it should.

    The 30T ring probably feels a whole lot better for climbing on this setup too. I had more energy and felt I was in the right gear more of the time. I suppose, in theory it would be nice to take advantage fully of Eagle's extra range and run a bigger ring, but that's all well and good on a lightweight carbon xc bike but in the real world a 30/32T ring gives huge benefits.

    As it stands, I can look at this bike and say that I wouldn't change a thing.


















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    Small wheels back on at the moment and I'm actually enjoying their urgency and feel in the dry weather we've had recently. Just changing things around a little for the sake of it.



    I'm not running the chain stay in its shortest setting, mainly because I can't due to the size of the Hope 4 pot callipers. It seems ok for it though as the shortest setting was never my favourite to be honest.





    Going to keep the bike like this for a while, then try lighter 29" tyres on my LB 30's before reverting back to the default 29 plus.


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    It's all gone a bit quiet on here recently and I've been getting my money's worth out of my Pivot recently. But I have really missed my Waltworks, there's something to be said about a bike made to fit you and I immediately feel comfortable on board her so it was her turn this weekend for a few hours out and about in the North York Moors and surrounding forest of Guisborough.

    I've been riding the 27.5x2.6 setup recently around my home, just out with the kids and razzing about. I've enjoyed the wheels this time round so I decided to give them a fair chance and use them for a few weeks.

    On this mornings ride I've enjoyed their lightweight and flicking the bike around some pretty technical forest trails. I definitely feel more jarred about on the rocks and roots though and they're not as quick as the 29plus setup. But we all know that already.

    Over the past 12 months Payton and I have really become an extension of each other, like I mentioned in regard to the fit, this really makes a difference. I've ridden things I never though I'd be able to on this bike. In fact, his morning I ticked one of my biggest demons off the list of unchartered territory. A local shoot called Red Run, that's not very long but I talked myself from trying it about 27 years ago and have never been able to exercise those demons since, I always felt that it was too exposed and steep, although, like often is the case, I was proved wrong when trying it for myself! To say I whooped and smiled at the bottom was an understatement!

    Anyway, I enjoyed taking Payton out further afield for the first time in a few weeks, she felt great and I've enjoyed giving the smallest wheel setup I'm interested in trying on this bike, their fair crack of the whip.


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    Glad to see you're giving your "gal" some quality time, know exactly what you mean about when something fits/is setup perfectly for you, fell quite the same about my rigid, even with the lack of squish, so dialed right now. Made the mistake of installing a Haven 35mm clamp bar/stem on it the other day and even just on a tame ride, everywhere is still feeling tight/locked up from the beating it gave me, now going to give an old 25.4 bar a go and see how that feels.

    So who are you going to sell those wheels/tyres to now you've determined, yet again, that B+ just doesn't touch 29+

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Glad to see you're giving your "gal" some quality time, know exactly what you mean about when something fits/is setup perfectly for you, fell quite the same about my rigid, even with the lack of squish, so dialed right now. Made the mistake of installing a Haven 35mm clamp bar/stem on it the other day and even just on a tame ride, everywhere is still feeling tight/locked up from the beating it gave me, now going to give an old 25.4 bar a go and see how that feels.

    So who are you going to sell those wheels/tyres to now you've determined, yet again, that B+ just doesn't touch 29+

    Get those purple monstrosities off Payton right now!
    Ha ha I can always trust your opinion to guide me down the right road LyNx!

    I actually had a conversation about "just selling" the wheels I don't need. I've got 5 wheelsets now and realistically only 2 are going to get a look in until I decide to "f" around with things again!

    I'm betting your old 25.4mm bar will go a long way in regards to not beating you up. A lot of the modern stuff is far too stiff for hardtails, I love my Thomson, seems to have just the right amount of give whilst still being able to cope with my weight bouncing up and down on it!


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    I heard J has a number sticker that reads "Have you hugged your bike today"

    J, Peyton's lookin good. Orange components are poppin, indeed! And those locations... Great adventures to be had.
    You are very fortunate in having that kind of riding at your disposal. Doesn't get better than that!

    2.6? Um, that's going the wrong way, lol. Every time I have tried smaller tires on the Wildcat or Sarge, I just can't
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    I heard J has a number sticker that reads "Have you hugged your bike today"

    J, Peyton's lookin good. Orange components are poppin, indeed! And those locations... Great adventures to be had.
    You are very fortunate in having that kind of riding at your disposal. Doesn't get better than that!

    2.6? Um, that's going the wrong way, lol. Every time I have tried smaller tires on the Wildcat or Sarge, I just can't
    wait to return to 3.0.
    Everyone should hug their bike at least once a day, shouldn't they?!

    Thanks Banshee, yeah we're lucky to have a lot of varied riding around here BUT we also have crappy weather so it kind of evens things out! LOL. Hang on a cotton pickin' minute, you live in Colorado, you really can't get better than that can you?!!

    Yes I know, 2.6 is just wrong on this bike but it also feels kind of good too, I'm such a bad boy, I know!! I might try some skinny xc tyres next week... Before the inevitable...


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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Made the mistake of installing a Haven 35mm clamp bar/stem on it the other day and even just on a tame ride, everywhere is still feeling tight/locked up from the beating it gave me, now going to give an old 25.4 bar a go and see how that feels.

    I had the 25.4 epiphany about 10 yrs. ago with my first rigid 29er. Still have/ride that bike but would like to upgrade to something a little wider than its current 650mm bars. Any Idea where you can get wider 25.4 bars?
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    Problem is, it's not an "old" 25.4 bar, I actually bought it a few years ago because it was on sale to test how flexy it was compared to the 31.8 bars I've been riding since '05 and I found out, that once you buy a good bar, a 25.4 can actually be quite stiff. I've been riding FUNN bars going on 6 years and the 25.4 is also by them, so fairly fare comparison and quite surprising, but that was on FS, wondering if going on the rigid it'll feel a lot different - expecting compared to the 35 clamp FR oriented Havoc bar, that it should, but we'll see. Personally don't like flexy bars, but something that maybe absorbs the impacts a bit and offers some dampening would be nice, something Ti I expect would do that, but they're damn pricey.

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    I'm betting your old 25.4mm bar will go a long way in regards to not beating you up. A lot of the modern stuff is far too stiff for hardtails, I love my Thomson, seems to have just the right amount of give whilst still being able to cope with my weight bouncing up and down on it!
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    *hugs bike*

    And all this time, I thought is was all about the fat!

    And no, there's nuttin like riding in Colorado!

    Had to pull your chain on the 2.6 front. Damn tire makers are so damn horny over 2.6... :/ Sarge is not impressed
    I'ma ordering a pair of Wrathchild 3.0's to give a try. Should be rather nice with a deep lug tire that's lighter than a 4.8!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    I had the 25.4 epiphany about 10 yrs. ago with my first rigid 29er. Still have/ride that bike but would like to upgrade to something a little wider than its current 650mm bars. Any Idea where you can get wider 25.4 bars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Problem is, it's not an "old" 25.4 bar, I actually bought it a few years ago because it was on sale to test how flexy it was compared to the 31.8 bars I've been riding since '05 and I found out, that once you buy a good bar, a 25.4 can actually be quite stiff. I've been riding FUNN bars going on 6 years and the 25.4 is also by them, so fairly fare comparison and quite surprising, but that was on FS, wondering if going on the rigid it'll feel a lot different - expecting compared to the 35 clamp FR oriented Havoc bar, that it should, but we'll see. Personally don't like flexy bars, but something that maybe absorbs the impacts a bit and offers some dampening would be nice, something Ti I expect would do that, but they're damn pricey.
    I remember some people complain about 35 Raceface Sixc bars being too stiff, I kind of agree too which is why I swapped mine on my previous main bike to a Next SL which seemed like a good compromise and was a very comfortable bar. Not too expensive compared to Ti 31.8's either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    *hugs bike*

    And all this time, I thought is was all about the fat!

    And no, there's nuttin like riding in Colorado!

    Had to pull your chain on the 2.6 front. Damn tire makers are so damn horny over 2.6... :/ Sarge is not impressed
    I'ma ordering a pair of Wrathchild 3.0's to give a try. Should be rather nice with a deep lug tire that's lighter than a 4.8!!
    Keeping the +bikes svelte is challenging enough without 12 ply tires...
    LOL I don't mind you pulling my chain, I'm used to LyNx for that!

    Damn I'd love to ride in Colorado or Barbados or Canada or anywhere else hot and sunny right now. If you could see out of my window, you'd know why! We should do a time share thing, you could all improve your wet weather riding skills and I could sample some dust and get a tan!!



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    We can send you to Seattle and you would think you're at home!! lulz

    The first 2 weeks of the year, I was in Arizona. Was the riding and temp perfect, you betcha! Had a great time antagonizing those 2.fugettabouddit tire bikers with the Mayor and Sarge. Sure was a good thing I brought both bikes along. Enjoyed the arroyos with the mayor on those voluptuous 4.8's.
    Sarge was a blast on the rocky techy singletrack too.

    Perhaps you can take a nice long holiday and bring Peyton along for some serious adventures in your travels. (Bucket list)

    Peyton looks to be an awesome bike with great performance for anything you find along the way. Wouldn't mind getting Walt to fab something, cause he's an artisan.
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    Well my 25.4, as I said is by FUNN and it's a 750mm wide, low rise, hence why I bought it, as was the widest 25.4 low rise I'd seen available. Got it from CRC, not sure if you can still find them around, but it's a very nice bar, but a smidge too narrow for me now, prefer 785-800, but it'll do if it is indeed a more complaint feel. Checked CRC and Jenson and only found 2 real options on there, not sure if either will work for you. but fairly certain you should be able to find a few more if you search about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    I had the 25.4 epiphany about 10 yrs. ago with my first rigid 29er. Still have/ride that bike but would like to upgrade to something a little wider than its current 650mm bars. Any Idea where you can get wider 25.4 bars?
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    FUNN is a DH/FR oriented company so yeah, stiff bars from them sounds right.
    Really like my Loaded AMX bars for the angles and width.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    We can send you to Seattle and you would think you're at home!! lulz

    The first 2 weeks of the year, I was in Arizona. Was the riding and temp perfect, you betcha! Had a great time antagonizing those 2.fugettabouddit tire bikers with the Mayor and Sarge. Sure was a good thing I brought both bikes along. Enjoyed the arroyos with the mayor on those voluptuous 4.8's.
    Sarge was a blast on the rocky techy singletrack too.

    Perhaps you can take a nice long holiday and bring Peyton along for some serious adventures in your travels. (Bucket list)

    Peyton looks to be an awesome bike with great performance for anything you find along the way. Wouldn't mind getting Walt to fab something, cause he's an artisan.
    Sounds ideal to me, I'd love to, the better half might have something to say about me disappearing though!

    I can definitely recommend you speak to Walt, when our exchange rate stabilises (hopefully well before 2,3,4 years after Brexit?!?!) I'd like him to make me a full sus. I had planned to get it done this year but then I bought the Switchblade (from Arizona!) so that will have to wait. You're right though Payton is definitely a bike ready for all, I always feel confident going into the unknown when I'm riding her, especially with the Big BIG wheels on there!

    I've just come back inside having had a word (and a hug) with her and she wants me to stop messing around and settle on the big rubber. I told her I'll always play around but I'll always go back to her big ass tyres. She didn't seem to mind. LOL


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    Well my 25.4, as I said is by FUNN and it's a 750mm wide, low rise, hence why I bought it, as was the widest 25.4 low rise I'd seen available. Got it from CRC, not sure if you can still find them around, but it's a very nice bar, but a smidge too narrow for me now, prefer 785-800, but it'll do if it is indeed a more complaint feel. Checked CRC and Jenson and only found 2 real options on there, not sure if either will work for you. but fairly certain you should be able to find a few more if you search about.
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    Thanks for the links. I checked the FUNN website too but nothing smaller than 31.8 listed. CRC actually had a different bar that I'm considering (Better color match to the bike, lighter, wider, and of course a little more expensive). If I don't find something better I'll give that one a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    Yes I know, 2.6 is just wrong on this bike but it also feels kind of good too, I'm such a bad boy, I know!! I might try some skinny xc tyres next week... Before the inevitable...
    Have you decide what tires you are going with? I need something around 2.6" (29) to go with the 29 id wheelset I just ordered for my FS waltworks (I ended up going for the EIE wheels with purple hubs from the other thread). I'm thinking about the nobby nic addix speed grip, but I tried to order some from bike-discount.de and the order won't go through, so i'm taking that as a sign to rethink it. So far I've only tried chupas on 40 id rims and looking for something a little faster and possibly more responsive, although I am liking the chupas well enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangly1 View Post
    Have you decide what tires you are going with? I need something around 2.6" (29) to go with the 29 id wheelset I just ordered for my FS waltworks (I ended up going for the EIE wheels with purple hubs from the other thread). I'm thinking about the nobby nic addix speed grip, but I tried to order some from bike-discount.de and the order won't go through, so i'm taking that as a sign to rethink it. So far I've only tried chupas on 40 id rims and looking for something a little faster and possibly more responsive, although I am liking the chupas well enough.
    My favourite setup on this bike hasn't changed, it's the Chupacabras on 40mm internal Light Bicycle rims. The Maxxis DHF 3.0 is also a LOT of fun up front with a Chup on the back.

    I like swapping things around though as each and every wheelset and tyre option I have make the bike feel different. None of them feel bad, all of them feel as good as I've tried on other bikes. It's the bike and not the tyres a lot of the time. That's why I chop and change. Just for variety. For instance, yesterday on the 27.5x2.6 setup the bike felt like a little dual slalom bike through the trees, but the small wheels beat me up on rocks, roots and singletrack.

    I really like the wider trail tyres such as the Nobby Nic and Rocket Ron 2.6's and Maxxis 2.4 WT DHR and 2.5 WT DHF's (despite me not really being a Maxxis fan in the past). As soon as the Rekon 2.6's are readily available I'll be running them too. I can see things settling out and this being the new normal in terms of tyre size. 29" being optimum to all of this as they have the roll over 27.5" can't come close to.

    On your bike, I'd go for Rekon 29x2.6", if you don't think Chups are fast enough, 30-35mm rims. But for all out, balls to the wall speed and fun also build a 3.0 Chup/DHF wheelset with 35-40mm rims, when things allow.

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    In fact, adding to this and thinking about not having to have multiple wheelsets hanging about (literally!), get yourself a nice, Carbon wheelset with 35-38mm internal rims. This way you can optimally run wide trail or plus tyres with abandon, that's what I'd do with your bike.


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    That is very helpful. As far as the tires go, I guess I will keep my eye on the rekons to see when they become available, unless you know any more details.

    Except for shipping delay., it would be a good time to switch out my 40 id wheels to the LB rims since I am waiting on a replacement rim for the cracked scraper, but I will have to see about that. Ultimately I am planning to use the 29 id wheels for the more flowy trails and the 40 id/chupas for chunky stuff. In the back of my mind there is also the possibility of a dirt drop monster cross/super comfortable road bike in a few years that I might be able to use the new wheels on if 157 rear ends take over or I get back in Walt's queue.

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    Curious what your experience with PLUS bikes is, have/did you ride a few before you decided on your soon to be bike, did you try an FS plus bike? Think that Js advice is sound, 38mm IW rims would work excellent for either 2.6" or 3" tyres. The 2.6" would obviously have more sidewall support and rail corners like velcro and make the bike more nimble IMHO and with the 3.0", you'd have a bit less sidewall support, but still plenty. FYI, I run my DHF 3.0" on a Dually45 which has an IW of 39mm and I think it's perfect on that. Agree on tyres, DH front for ultimate grip and Rekons for a good middle of the road grip and rolling resistance.
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    That is very helpful. As far as the tires go, I guess I will keep my eye on the rekons to see when they become available, unless you know any more details.

    Except for shipping delay., it would be a good time to switch out my 40 id wheels to the LB rims since I am waiting on a replacement rim for the cracked scraper, but I will have to see about that. Ultimately I am planning to use the 29 id wheels for the more flowy trails and the 40 id/chupas for chunky stuff. In the back of my mind there is also the possibility of a dirt drop monster cross/super comfortable road bike in a few years that I might be able to use the new wheels on if 157 rear ends take over or I get back in Walt's queue.
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    Thanks! I have had the bike for about five months and it is going really well except for the rim issues. I did ride some HT plus bikes in bike shop parking lots, but the shops in my area are somewhat limited and do not do demos or rentals. I am still the only local rider I have seen with a plus bike. Also,I would need an XXL-XXXL and could not test anything other than an entry level rockhopper in that approximate size. So, I was making somewhat of a leap. I did get the ebb and rockers so that I could be flexible on the wheel and tire sizes. Your description of the 2.6 makes it seem worth a try. I am definitely going to keep an eye out for the rekons when they come out with the 29x2.6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangly1 View Post
    That is very helpful. As far as the tires go, I guess I will keep my eye on the rekons to see when they become available, unless you know any more details.

    Except for shipping delay., it would be a good time to switch out my 40 id wheels to the LB rims since I am waiting on a replacement rim for the cracked scraper, but I will have to see about that. Ultimately I am planning to use the 29 id wheels for the more flowy trails and the 40 id/chupas for chunky stuff. In the back of my mind there is also the possibility of a dirt drop monster cross/super comfortable road bike in a few years that I might be able to use the new wheels on if 157 rear ends take over or I get back in Walt's queue.
    I had forgotten that you went for the 157 rear end, that's so cool too! I had been speaking to Walt about utilising the 157 Superboost like what Pivot launched on the Switchblade and figured that's the way I'd go if and when I get Walt to put a FS together for me.


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    Here's an interesting setup I've not tried before.

    30mm internal LB Wheelset
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    Under 27lbs without pedals.

    This is the XC setup and it feels good, nice and spritely, playful and sure footed.

    Here's the bike on my commute this morning, I don't usually ride a MTB to work as it's 10 miles each way on mixed surfaces but I thought I'd give her a go today and she still passes roadies so I was happy until I got a puncture! LOL.





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    I ran the 29er XC setup for a couple of weeks and enjoyed it for the turn of pace but ultimately the fun factor meant a short tenure for the skinny wheels and ouch my back!! LOL





    I'm now back on the 3.0's and planning on getting a DHR for the winter months.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    ....

    Also something to note when recently going from the 35mm Raceface ARC35's to 45mm Lightbicycle RM29C15 rims I have so far dropped the pressure from 16R/15F to 14R/13F but I reckon I might still go a little lower...
    I've been running 29x3.00 Chronicles on 39mm internal rims at 12 PSI front & rear. Now have 3.00 DHRs at 12.

    I pinch-flatted the rear in rocks at 10psi. 12 has been a good number for me for about a year. (230# ready to ride)
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    I've been running 29x3.00 Chronicles on 39mm internal rims at 12 PSI front & rear. Now have 3.00 DHRs at 12.

    I pinch-flatted the rear in rocks at 10psi. 12 has been a good number for me for about a year. (230# ready to ride)
    So being about the same weight as you I'm about right if I drop a psi or two. Thanks.


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    Hum, 12 PSI I guess isn't bad as a rear pressure at your weight. I run my 29x3.0" DHF in Dually45 (i39) @ 8 PSI and it matches up fine to the B+ Rekon on the rear @ 15-16 PSI, although did have one rim hit a little while back when I hit a square edge pretty hard. Not sure how much I'd need running one on the rear being about 185lbs kitted to ride on a rigid. What casing are you running the 60 TPI or 120 TPI?
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    I've been running 29x3.00 Chronicles on 39mm internal rims at 12 PSI front & rear. Now have 3.00 DHRs at 12.

    I pinch-flatted the rear in rocks at 10psi. 12 has been a good number for me for about a year. (230# ready to ride)
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    Eventually my Stache is going to die, and when it does, you've fully convinced me that the replacement is going to be this exact frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdxfixed View Post
    Eventually my Stache is going to die, and when it does, you've fully convinced me that the replacement is going to be this exact frame.
    Not this exact frame, it's mine and won't be going anywhere but I'm sure Walt will help you out!! LOL. Glad I helped convince you though!


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    Back out on the Ultimate Warrior this morning, the weather has set in for winter so the setup will remain much the same for a few months. 29 plus the majority of the time, 29x2.5WT Shorties when itís really slimy and 27.5x3.8 when the snow comes for a few days. Iím experimenting by keeping the chainstay (mid position) and B.B. (low) across those wheel sizes, mainly for ease and speedy setup changing.






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    Wildcat's getting a wheelset! Green Onyx hubs and Scraper i45's polished to a mirror for that holy smokes look!
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    Thanks Bansh, I even changed the pedals out just for LyNx!

    Those wheels should look awesome! Did you go for the silent hubs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    Thanks Bansh, I even changed the pedals out just for LyNx!

    Those wheels should look awesome! Did you go for the silent hubs?
    I did, i did!! Need some G-One 2.8's so I can sneak up on peeps and scare em outta their wits!
    I heard Lynx snuck in and changed your pedals while you were watching TV!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    I did, i did!! Need some G-One 2.8's so I can sneak up on peeps and scare em outta their wits!
    I heard Lynx snuck in and changed your pedals while you were watching TV!
    Ha ha a long way for him to come for my pedals but I know he liked the limited edition purple, so not entirely surprising! I've now got limited edition polished ano silver which fit in a bit better with the other silver hardware.

    I have always had noisy hubs of varying degrees, mainly because I tend to run Hopes, Chris King and now I9 on my Pivot, but I often wonder how cool a truly silent hub would be, just being able to hear the tyres and the trail must be fun!

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    The zero lash engagement is the part that's gonna destroy my wallet! And they come in a host of colors to compliment a build.

    Damn, I wish I was local to ya so I could see Peyton in person and see how pix do no justice on gorgeous bikes.

    When I looked at I9 and the PoE is excellent, the price is par with silence is green, uh, golden hubs!
    Laceup of the new wheels either today or tomorrow provided the days post has a buncha green alloy nipples. The rims are being prepped for a mirror polish like Sarge's. I just wanna see my spokes and rims cause they are a work of art.
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    I'm looking forward to seeing the Wildcat and its' new wheels, bet they'll look awesome!

    I'm thinking about getting a DHR to match the DHF soon, the Chup's have been awesome and are very resilient despite what some say but the mud is getting real here right now, so it might be a good idea...

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    FBR should be ideal for the mud. Damn, I hate what mud does to components tho... Chupa's have to be a fast n fun kinda tire with the tight tread pattern. Similar to Rocket Ron. I think you'll appreciate the FBF/FBR setup. Sounds like Peyton has a host of tire/wheel combos to mess around with. Definitely utilitarian being able to switch it up at a moment's notice. Quiver killer, purt durn near!!



    Yay! Nipples were in today's post! Back to prep of rims :/ The polish takes less than 10 minutes following prep. Prep is 1.5 hours per rim but worth the effort to get down to the bitchen that's hidden under bead blasted black that hides the rim in a tire. Daunting, yes. Worth the effort, yes! Making bikes bitchen one build at a time is worth the time and pleasure, to boot.

    Both Sarge and the Wildcat have a pair of Rocket Ron lite skins and Nobby Nic trail star, all in b+/3.0. Scored a pair of NN performance 3.0's offa eBay and they are not SnakeSkin. Definitely feel far better than SS version cause I'm 72kg with a light riding style to go along with em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeRune View Post
    FBR should be ideal for the mud. Damn, I hate what mud does to components tho... Chupa's have to be a fast n fun kinda tire with the tight tread pattern. Similar to Rocket Ron. I think you'll appreciate the FBF/FBR setup. Sounds like Peyton has a host of tire/wheel combos to mess around with. Definitely utilitarian being able to switch it up at a moment's notice. Quiver killer, purt durn near!!



    Yay! Nipples were in today's post! Back to prep of rims :/ The polish takes less than 10 minutes following prep. Prep is 1.5 hours per rim but worth the effort to get down to the bitchen that's hidden under bead blasted black that hides the rim in a tire. Daunting, yes. Worth the effort, yes! Making bikes bitchen one build at a time is worth the time and pleasure, to boot.

    Both Sarge and the Wildcat have a pair of Rocket Ron lite skins and Nobby Nic trail star, all in b+/3.0. Scored a pair of NN performance 3.0's offa eBay and they are not SnakeSkin. Definitely feel far better than SS version cause I'm 72kg with a light riding style to go along with em.
    Yeah it's definitely been cool having different wheels and tyre combos although at least two of them are surplus at the moment, now that I've finished my testing! Well I have plans for the LB 30mm 29er wheels but the Ibis 741's are sitting doing nothing, I will have to find a 27.5" frame to build them onto! Ha ha!

    Glad that your nipple turned up, now go get those wheels prepped and built so we can all see them!

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    Seems my name is getting bantered about here, thought I might need to step in Like the new pedals much better, absolutely HATE purple, not because of the actual colour, but because of what it represents/I think of when I see it - Barney - lots of friends/family with kids when those things were popular, were the only dinosaurs I wished extinct

    So, now you have so many extra wheelsets and I was so helpful in all your decision making, what deal are you going to cut me on a set? Will "need" a new set for my new ride
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Seems my name is getting bantered about here, thought I might need to step in Like the new pedals much better, absolutely HATE purple, not because of the actual colour, but because of what it represents/I think of when I see it - Barney - lots of friends/family with kids when those things were popular, were the only dinosaurs I wished extinct

    So, now you have so many extra wheelsets and I was so helpful in all your decision making, what deal are you going to cut me on a set? Will "need" a new set for my new ride
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Seems my name is getting bantered about here, thought I might need to step in Like the new pedals much better, absolutely HATE purple, not because of the actual colour, but because of what it represents/I think of when I see it - Barney - lots of friends/family with kids when those things were popular, were the only dinosaurs I wished extinct

    So, now you have so many extra wheelsets and I was so helpful in all your decision making, what deal are you going to cut me on a set? Will "need" a new set for my new ride
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    Not missing anything, don't have Chromag retail money, going the poor mans route and getting a Unit I think, seems to tick all the boxes and very in-expensive for what you get. Still hoping maybe they keep offering the yellow/orange Monkey and it's gets easier to acquire, but if not, I'm liking the Unit, would run it with all the parts off my current Monkey, thereby ending up with about a 67.75* HTA and bit higher BB, rigid of course Monkey will be converted for full on road/commute duties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Not missing anything, don't have Chromag retail money, going the poor mans route and getting a Unit I think, seems to tick all the boxes and very in-expensive for what you get. Still hoping maybe they keep offering the yellow/orange Monkey and it's gets easier to acquire, but if not, I'm liking the Unit, would run it with all the parts off my current Monkey, thereby ending up with about a 67.75* HTA and bit higher BB, rigid of course Monkey will be converted for full on road/commute duties.
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    So... without going back through the whole thread....
    Am I correct in recalling that the thing that allows you to run either 29+ or 27.5+ is an eccentric bottom bracket shell?

    Iím at the edge of thinking about a custom frame... am digging my 29+ Carver Gnarvester... but the concept of flexibility is alluring. Or maybe Iím just afraid of commitment.

    Are you still mostly running the 29x3.00, J?
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    As someone who's followed the thread from the beginning, basically yes, he uses the EBB to adjust BB height, which is semi dependent on what wheel size he uses. His primary setup is still 29+ (some smart guy told him so), but he also uses other setups depending on season and intent of ride.

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    So... without going back through the whole thread....Am I correct in recalling that the thing that allows you to run either 29+ or 27.5+ is an eccentric bottom bracket shell?

    Iím at the edge of thinking about a custom frame... am digging my 29+ Carver Gnarvester... but the concept of flexibility is alluring. Or maybe Iím just afraid of commitment. Are you still mostly running the 29x3.00, J?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    So... without going back through the whole thread....
    Am I correct in recalling that the thing that allows you to run either 29+ or 27.5+ is an eccentric bottom bracket shell?

    Iím at the edge of thinking about a custom frame... am digging my 29+ Carver Gnarvester... but the concept of flexibility is alluring. Or maybe Iím just afraid of commitment.

    Are you still mostly running the 29x3.00, J?
    Well basically the eccentric BB and the Paragon sliding dropouts, yes. This bike will run any wheel and tyre combo up towards 27.5x4.0Ē.

    I am mostly running 29+, Iíll run 27.5x3.8Ē Iím the snow but after over a year of testing I canít see any reason to run anything else unless itís really muddy and I might run 29x2.5WT Shorties but to be honest Iím more inclined to keep things the way they are.


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    His primary setup is still 29+ (some smart guy told him so)
    Youíre absolutely right there LyNx, Walt told me way back when he started drawing out my design that Iíd try 29+ and stick to it, if it wasnít for him convincing me to try it Iíd be none the wiser!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    Thanks for the responses!
    No problem at all, itís nice to have options, even better to find something you really like but it sucks when you still feel the need to swap and change even though youíve already found something you like!! LOL




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    I guess Iíll try and demo a 27.5+ hardtail. I really do like the 29+ format.

    There is no way I can justify a custom frame ó other than sending business to a local builder.

    But I could swing the cost. Before too long Iíll convince myself I ďneedĒ it. Lol....
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    Iíve been experimenting a little bit lately with the chain stay length. Iíve always ran the 29x3.0Ē setup in the longest setting but I tried running it in the mid point setting. I ran it like this for a few weeks but the bike just didnít feel right to me. Didnít climb as well with a lighter front end and definitely not as sure footed. I think this is one of the main reasons that I like the 29 plus setup, the length of the bike means it rallies everywhere and the big wheels and rubber really do roll over most things too. So for todayís ride I switched it back and all was well again!

    Iíve been riding my Switchblade a lot recently but now the weather really has turned for the next 5 months or so, the Waltworks is definitely the best tool for the job in most situations, a true winters bike!

    Itís funny but sometimes I forget just how capable the Ultimate Warrior is, until I get on it and Iím hitting things like Iím on a full suspension bike. I did push the front tyre a bit more than I have previously today and I got a little bit of tyre squirm, probably because Iím use to railing the Pivot and really leaning on itís 2.5 WTís but it wasnít a big deal either.

    Iím going to try running the 27.5x3.8Ē Chupacabras again soon, itís my least used wheelset and Iím going to see what I can get away with in that setup whilst hoping for some snow!










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    How long where the stays when you liked them and how much shorter did you go? There's a lot of hype and "must have" about shortest possible stays, but I ride my Monkey with the Monkey Nuts installed which gives a "super long" 17.4" CS length Thing is, it handles really well on the tech, at speed and slow, it also climbs like crazy at this setting.

    If you have your 3.8 Bs mounted, would love to know how tall it is compared to the DHF 29x3".

    As to the DHF squirming a bit when pushed harder, maybe bump the pressure up a PSI or two and see if that affects how it handles, if there's no loss of grips/traction, but it doesn't fold/squirm, then you're good, plus you've already got the sus fork taking care of that duty, so don't need the tyre for suspension as well. What PSI are you currently running it at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    How long where the stays when you liked them and how much shorter did you go? There's a lot of hype and "must have" about shortest possible stays, but I ride my Monkey with the Monkey Nuts installed which gives a "super long" 17.4" CS length Thing is, it handles really well on the tech, at speed and slow, it also climbs like crazy at this setting.

    If you have your 3.8 Bs mounted, would love to know how tall it is compared to the DHF 29x3".

    As to the DHF squirming a bit when pushed harder, maybe bump the pressure up a PSI or two and see if that affects how it handles, if there's no loss of grips/traction, but it doesn't fold/squirm, then you're good, plus you've already got the sus fork taking care of that duty, so don't need the tyre for suspension as well. What PSI are you currently running it at?
    I absolutely agree with you on the chain stay front, thereís a lot of hype and shorter isnít necessarily better (yeah duh!! ). My chainstays go from 410-425mm so I was in the middle position of around 417.5mm. The 410mm feels pretty nice with the plus 27.5Ē wheels or 2.6ís but thereís definitely a noticeable difference in composure and climbing in that setting.

    Short chain stays, long and low bbís. Not ALWAYS the best approach.

    Iíll put some air in the Hodags tomorrow, get my tape measure out and get back to you.

    Iím running 15psi rear and 14 front in the DHF, the squirm happened on a rough section of one of the more rocky downhills. I guess I also fluffed my line and generally made a pigs ear of it all at the time so Iím not overly concerned or keen to add more air in the tyres at the moment as I previously thought I had found a sweet spot, but Iím going to see how it goes.


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    If you have your 3.8 Bs mounted, would love to know how tall it is compared to the DHF 29x3".
    27.5x3.8Ē Hodags - 75cm

    29x3Ē Chupacabra - 75.5cm

    29x3Ē DHF - 76cm (maybe 75.75 on reflection)

    Roughly. All with around 15psi. Not much in them though eh?!


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    Whether to have the chainstays long or short also relates to the front triangle and it's geometry. My karate monkey is waaaaaay better with the wheels slammed forward. But it's the older steeper geo. On the newer geo that is slacker the wheels feel better in the long chainstay position.

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    Thanks. Expect you mean CM and not mm J? If that's so, then as I expected, the Bx3.8" are about the same height as the 29x3", so easily swapable without any geo changes to speak of.

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    27.5x3.8Ē Hodags - 75mm / 29x3Ē Chupacabra - 75.5mm / 29x3Ē DHF - 76mm (maybe 75.75 on reflection)

    Roughly. All with around 15psi. Not much in them though eh?!
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    Do'h! Changed that, thanks! My little girl was "helping" me in the garage when I typed that out! LOL

    Yes easily swapable, I don't think I will both adjusting anything I don't have to this time although if memory serves me, I think I had to pull the wheel forward a little to allow the rim clearance in the yoke...

    I will be leaving the BB as is though.

    The B-fat setup is definitely my second favourite setup but it makes sense that it is given the wheel size comparison.

    I am still a little curious to what a 26x4" setup might feel like, using wider (probably 70mm if they'll fit) rims... Something for next year's winter maybe though, definitely/probably not this one!...

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    It's fun in the snow and definitely worth a try. We would love to hear your view on how 26x4 handles compared to 27.5x4.

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    It's fun in the snow and definitely worth a try. We would love to hear your view on how 26x4 handles compared to 27.5x4.

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    Are those Whisky 70Wís? If so thatís one of the rims Iíve been looking at and it should fit ok. Iíve only got Arc 45ís at the moment, they work nicely but part of me canít help thinking wider rims might be better for the 3.8ís and 4.0ís...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    Are those Whisky 70Wís? If so thatís one of the rims Iíve been looking at and it should fit ok. Iíve only got Arc 45ís at the moment, they work nicely but part of me canít help thinking wider rims might be better for the 3.8ís and 4.0ís...
    They are indeed Whisky 70W's. High quality rims for sure. No problems at all through 2 years of year-round use. Very easy to set up tubeless is also a bonus. This wheelset might actually be lighter than the 29+ wheels with ARC 35 rims. At least until you add the tires.

    The wider rim would be better in soft conditions than the 45's. It will give more sidewall support and be less likely for the tire to want to fold over. And maybe allow you to run even wider tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    They are indeed Whisky 70W's. High quality rims for sure. No problems at all through 2 years of year-round use. Very easy to set up tubeless is also a bonus. This wheelset might actually be lighter than the 29+ wheels with ARC 35 rims. At least until you add the tires.

    The wider rim would be better in soft conditions than the 45's. It will give more sidewall support and be less likely for the tire to want to fold over. And maybe allow you to run even wider tires.
    Thatís exactly what I was thinking. I used to have a Trek Farley which had 70 or 80mm rims and I remember the Hodags coming up quite a bit wider than they do on my setup. Weíll see how I get on this winter... Thanks Ian.


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    So did you end up doing the 6mm offset dropouts?

    Are you running 148 rear wheels, or just 142s redished?
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    So did you end up doing the 6mm offset dropouts?

    Are you running 148 rear wheels, or just 142s redished?
    Yup 148mm and 6mm offset.


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    What does the 6mm offset do?

    Is it the same scenario as 142 hubs in a 148 frame, where with boost adapters you can offset the wheel 6mm drive side, then get better bracing angles with 3mm NDS dish?

    On a 148mm frame offset 6mm, you'd get the same effect, with wider hub flanges, wider yoke, and a stronger wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    What does the 6mm offset do?

    Is it the same scenario as 142 hubs in a 148 frame, where with boost adapters you can offset the wheel 6mm drive side, then get better bracing angles with 3mm NDS dish?

    On a 148mm frame offset 6mm, you'd get the same effect, with wider hub flanges, wider yoke, and a stronger wheel.
    Yes same effect, better bracing angles, equal spoke tension on either side of the wheel and a stronger, stiffer wheel. Perfect for a Clyde like me.


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    Spent the entire week reading this entire thread Iím a slow reader

    Wow J!

    What a bike!!!!!!

    Much respect for you and your time sharing all of this info!

    Props to Walt also!!!!

    J, if you donít mind posting some more pics and thought regarding the Hodags or 27.5x3.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeetheviking View Post
    Spent the entire week reading this entire thread Iím a slow reader

    Wow J!

    What a bike!!!!!!

    Much respect for you and your time sharing all of this info!

    Props to Walt also!!!!

    J, if you donít mind posting some more pics and thought regarding the Hodags or 27.5x3.8

    Well Done!
    Hi Mike

    Thanks for your words, glad you like the bike!

    The Plus fat wheels (Hodags) are going on this weekend and Iím intending to give them a proper extended try over the winter, using them much more than last year, so Iíll definitely be posting more info up soon...




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    Uh-oh we may have struck a slight problem on the plus-fat setup.

    Itís mainly because I added Eagle into the mix this year but the chainline clearance is ultra tight in the big bird ring and definitely not ideal. So much so that I donít think Iíd get away with smaller diameter fat wheels with wider tyres.

    I guess everything has its limits though and Iíll see how I get on during a test ride hopefully later today....






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    That's not a problem, works well as an auto mud remover and reminder not to use that P*&^% gear

    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    Uh-oh we may have struck a slight problem on the plus-fat setup. Itís mainly because I added Eagle into the mix this year but the chainline clearance is ultra tight in the big bird ring and definitely not ideal. So much so that I donít think Iíd get away with smaller diameter fat wheels with wider tyres.
    I guess everything has its limits though and Iíll see how I get on during a test ride hopefully later today....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    That's not a problem, works well as an auto mud remover and reminder not to use that P*&^% gear
    Ha ha good point!! I know of wish I left my 11 speed on it now, I do still have it on my Les though!...


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    All show and no go here Iím afraid as it happens in both p@&&? Gear 1 and 2, the chain rubs against the tyre and renders the setup useless. So itís back to 1x11 or back to my favoured 29x3.0 setup. I think we all know which way Iíll go!...

    Itís a shame though as the plus-fat setup is a hoot to ride but hey ho, so is the 29 plus and I am sure that it will cope with the snow just as well...

    So I officially have 2 wheelsets to sell! LOL.


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    All show and no go here Iím afraid as it happens in both p@&&? Gear 1 and 2, the chain rubs against the tyre and renders the setup useless. So itís back to 1x11 or back to my favoured 29x3.0 setup. I think we all know which way Iíll go!...

    Itís a shame though as the plus-fat setup is a hoot to ride but hey ho, so is the 29 plus and I am sure that it will cope with the snow just as well...

    So I officially have 2 wheelsets to sell!
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    I got some peanuts I could trade for the B+ set with 3.8"s
    Peanuts you say?!




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    Thanks for trying J!

    Very educational for future UW builders.

    So now that you are honing in on 29+ as your preferred wheelsize, What are you thinking for a dream 29+ wheelset?

    FWIW i liked the original color and the new color!

    Another thought Duro Crux 29x3.25

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    Think he figured out quite a while back that the 29+ was the best setup (know some smart guy told him that from the get go) took him a while, but he finally figured it out

    Seriously, he already as the ultimate 29+ tyre on the front, why would he go backwards to something like that? I expect that maybe when they release 29x3" Rekon he might get one of those to compliment the DHF, but not sure when Maxxis will wise up and do that.

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    Thanks for trying J!

    Very educational for future UW builders. So now that you are honing in on 29+ as your preferred wheelsize, What are you thinking for a dream 29+ wheelset?FWIW i liked the original color and the new color!

    Another thought Duro Crux 29x3.25
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeetheviking View Post
    Thanks for trying J!

    Very educational for future UW builders.

    So now that you are honing in on 29+ as your preferred wheelsize, What are you thinking for a dream 29+ wheelset?

    FWIW i liked the original color and the new color!

    Another thought Duro Crux 29x3.25
    No problem Mike, I'm also glad you like the colours!

    In regard to a dream 29+ wheelset, I think I'm there really, I originally had Arc 35's and Hope hubs on it but now run 45mm Light Bicycle rims again with Hope Pro 4 Evo's. I don't know of another manufacturer who offer a 45mm internal carbon rims, maybe Whisky in which case, then yes that would be a nice rim and MAYBE an upgrade over the LB's? I don't think Enve offer anything wide enough and even if they did I don't think they offer good value at all. The Hope hubs are one of my favourite but if I had to go with anything else it would be the Industry 9's, I have these on my Pivot Switchblade and they definitely engage more quickly, whilst looking and sounding amazing too.

    I have looked at the Cruz, noone ever has them in stock as far as I can tell though, I would like to try them out though, that extra width could be as effective as a plus-fat setup as the Hodags on a 45mm 27.5" rim were anyway... Hmmmmm, more to think about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Think he figured out quite a while back that the 29+ was the best setup (know some smart guy told him that from the get go) took him a while, but he finally figured it out

    Seriously, he already as the ultimate 29+ tyre on the front, why would he go backwards to something like that? I expect that maybe when they release 29x3" Rekon he might get one of those to compliment the DHF, but not sure when Maxxis will wise up and do that.
    Aaah wise man once say!... LOL

    Hey smart guy, yeah, you were right, again! Cheque/Checks/Wheels in the mail etc etc etc.

    Now a 29x3" Rekon would be a nice idea, but I won't hold my breath seeing as we can't even get the 2.6 as yet!...

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    enve: https://enve.com/products/m640/ 40internal 49 external... with you on the not cost effective, but a pretty sweet wheel i'd wager... ;-)~

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    I can't believe that they really think that each of their rims is worth $1k US, that is totally insane

    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    enve: https://enve.com/products/m640/ 40internal 49 external... with you on the not cost effective, but a pretty sweet wheel i'd wager... ;-)~
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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    enve: https://enve.com/products/m640/ 40internal 49 external... with you on the not cost effective, but a pretty sweet wheel i'd wager... ;-)~
    Aah yes, thank you! Very nice and VERY light too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I can't believe that they really think that each of their rims is worth $1k US, that is totally insane
    Yeah, I forgot to add VERY EXPENSIVE!!!

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    yeah - its a lot. i have a few enve rims and have always been highly impressed with them. i also have derby and nextie carbons and there is definitely a law of diminishing returns thing going on. that said, they build like no other rim i have buit with and have been rock solid in use since 2009 for me...i reckon if money isnt a barrier, they are ne plus ultra, but im very happy with derby too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    yeah - its a lot. i have a few enve rims and have always been highly impressed with them. i also have derby and nextie carbons and there is definitely a law of diminishing returns thing going on. that said, they build like no other rim i have buit with and have been rock solid in use since 2009 for me...i reckon if money isnt a barrier, they are ne plus ultra, but im very happy with derby too...
    I have been very happy with my LBís but of course Iíd also love to try Enveís. Are they giving lifetime warranties like Reynolds and Santa Cruz?


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    5 yrs but theres ins and outs.

    https://enve.com/support/warranty/

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    Mike's question got me thinking earlier, about whether or not I could improve the build at all? So I've been having a look at some options in terms of rims, I looked at the Enve and also the Whisky No.9 41w but what it comes down to is, I can't find anyone else who makes as wide rims as the LB's that I have. The 45mm internal width has moved things on for me on this bike, they really do give a lovely profile on both the Chups and DHF tyres, I can run really low PSI (Currently 14/13) which for my weight at around 235lbs works perfectly. So in short, as long as they hold up, these are my dream wheelset for this bike.

    So over the past 18 months or so I have tried probably any combo of wheel and tyres that could be reasonably expected of anyone. I've been able to on the UW, that's what it was made for. Iíve enjoyed really getting to know the bike, how it reacts to different changes and setups.

    But all that is behind me, Iíve settled to the setup that works best for me for all occasions, the bikeís purpose has been served countless times. The cost in doing all this was high, but ultimately, to the OCD in me, it was well worth it. Anyway I have already "repurposed" the 30mm LB wheels on my new Pivot Les full blown XC bike and may have plans for the Arc 35's too!...

    The question is though, what would I do differently if the Ultimate Warrior was to be reborn, what would it be? How would I go about it?

    I think in short and in theory, this is what I'd do;

    Have a frame made with very similar geometry numbers to my ideal setup, so low(er) BB (I love the fact this thing rails corners yet I never get pedal strikes!) mid to longer chainstays (420mm ish). So settling on these numbers I wouldn't have to spec the sliding dropouts or the EBB, thus saving a little bit of weight there.

    I'd potentially have the frame made in Reynolds 853, just because. I know Walt specs a mix of Columbus and other US sourced steel but I am not entirely sure where these are specc'd on the UW. Ti could be an option I guess.

    I would do away with the swoop on the top tube, it looks lovely but the controls can hit it, if I crashed.

    I'd have the cables routed slightly different with a couple more external bosses.

    Am I going to have this bike made? Hells no! That bike would NOT be the Ultimate Warrior, the options would cease and it's these options that make the bike so much fun, keep me interested and why I will have it for the rest of my life!

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    5 yrs but theres ins and outs.

    https://enve.com/support/warranty/
    Thank you for the info dRjOn

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    You know, itís days just like today that I remember what itís all about. See, in the UK our winter kind of looks like this more often than snow filled vistas as far as the eye can see:



    So Iíll admit, I was pretty bummed about my fat tyres not being Big Bird compatible, but today put it all into perspective for me, because the UW absolutely ripped through everything. Ice was despatched and monster trucked through, frozen mud (after 4 days of heavy rain during the week) made summer downhill trails into a fun challenge and I generally had an amazing time, playing around and taking everything in our stride!

    The 29 plus setup really is king and as some of the UK has already seen some snow I am really looking forward to seeing how theyíll cope. I have optimistic hopes for them, Iíll be honest.

    Hereís a couple more pics from the ride.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    Uh-oh we may have struck a slight problem on the plus-fat setup.

    Itís mainly because I added Eagle into the mix this year but the chainline clearance is ultra tight in the big bird ring and definitely not ideal. So much so that I donít think Iíd get away with smaller diameter fat wheels with wider tyres.

    I guess everything has its limits though and Iíll see how I get on during a test ride hopefully later today....






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    I ran into a similar issue running the 27.5x3.8 Minions on my SC Chameleon - one trick you could try is flipping the chainring so the offset is to the outside. I am running a Wolftooth oval boost ring myself and flipping it definitely helped resolve some of the chain-tire clearance issues. (I have also ended up trimming the outer knobs some, but that was mostly an issue with the seat stays, not the chain...) For the Wolftooth ring, since it is oval, I had to make sure that the clocking was the same as in the non-flipped orientation since the markings on the ring don't help when flipped - not a big issue, but one to keep in mind if you try something similar.

    I'm only running a 10-42 cassette since it's non-Eagle GX, so it's possible the more extreme chainline wouldn't work as well with the giant 50t cog, but might be worth it if you want to try the Plus fat tires!

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