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    Trek 29+ coming

    Saw a picture today. I am not sure if I can post it. Swamped at work, so I will give quick impressions.
    Frame looks aluminum. Driveside chainstay is elevated. Looks like it has sliders
    Rims are new to me. Never seen them before. I can't tell much detail from the pic.
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    Geo looks short and slack.

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    The rims in question are Mulefut 50s

    The bike looks sick, it should be at Sea Otter

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    looks like slack head angle and SUPER short chainstays, pretty sick

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    Trek just won't let any fad go without testing the waters, will they? Looks cool, I'm intrigued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopbreakindown View Post
    The rims in question are Mulefut 50s

    The bike looks sick, it should be at Sea Otter
    I thought they might be the Mulefet 50s, but I couldn't tell for sure.
    The bikes I saw were a greenish rigid one with a carbon fork, and a purple hardtail with standard seat post. It looks like they will have several options.

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    I want that fork, I want that fork, I want that fork......for my Krampus. Did I mention I wanted that fork?

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    Interesting indeed. Elevated chainstay means belt drive compatible without splitting the frame. Also looks like some sort of sliding dropout for SS duty.

    They're covering all the bases!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitanofChaos View Post
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    looks like slack head angle and SUPER short chainstays, pretty sick

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    The elevated CS is to accommodate the shorter CS length. Looks like adjustable dropouts is integrated with the derailleur hanger.
    I wonder how much travel and the HT angle.
    Great looking bike!

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    I've heard that it will be a new model in the "Stache" lineup.
    I'm looking forward to regretting this.......

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    A bunch of these already shipped. The entry level one at least with the rigid fork. They use the Stranglehold rear drop out which works very well on the Superfly SS. I'm ordering one tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by temporoad View Post
    I want that fork, I want that fork, I want that fork......for my Krampus. Did I mention I wanted that fork?

    The pic I have shows the fork from an angle that it has plenty of clearance for mud.

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    LBS just posted he will have some tomorrow. Hopefully weather holds out for our weekly ride/cookout so we can test ride one.

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    1. What are they called?
    2. What's the bets not available in the UK, just like the Superfly ss :-(

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    This just looks like a fun bike. I may have to part with my Superfly SS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TitanofChaos View Post
    you're welcome

    looks like slack head angle and SUPER short chainstays, pretty sick

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    This looks pretty cool. Interesting that on the current Stache, the seat tube is sculpted for tire clearance, but the tire still is pretty far back. Here, they used the clearance to slam the wheel forward. Nice! Too bad I just blew my bike fund on a new fat frame...

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    Yawn. They had the opportunity (since they are so late to the "+" party) to create something unique, but are just following the herd now. Imagine how cool a "+" version of the Sawyer, with a swoopy steel frame plus modern geometry would have been?
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    I think they did a pretty good job--the elevated chainstay and super short chainstays are new in the market. The 29+ party isn't exactly raging, so I'm glad to see a big manufacturer step up.

    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Yawn. They had the opportunity (since they are so late to the "+" party) to create something unique, but are just following the herd now. Imagine how cool a "+" version of the Sawyer, with a swoopy steel frame plus modern geometry would have been?

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    Just saw these in the computer at work... Many models are shipping now. This is the new Stache lineup, all 29+.

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    I don't see anything on the trek web site yet?

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    Here is a good summation of what we know so far about the Stache 29+ Lineup

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    It's great to see another 29+ bike available as it should help guarantee tire production for us Krampus owners 5-10 years down the road. But I have no interest in PFBB's or Boost spacing so I'll pass on this one and dream of something like a Nimble 9+ with Dirt Wizards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob_m View Post
    I don't see anything on the trek web site yet?
    Ya it's odd; they didn't update the regular website but they did update the dealer site.

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    Anyone know what the MSRP on these will be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Yawn. They had the opportunity (since they are so late to the "+" party) to create something unique, but are just following the herd now. Imagine how cool a "+" version of the Sawyer, with a swoopy steel frame plus modern geometry would have been?
    http://forums.mtbr.com/27-29/trek-29-coming-963127.html

    Sooo... A bike that weighs 40lbs.?

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    Full details are now up on Treks website...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos View Post
    http://forums.mtbr.com/27-29/trek-29-coming-963127.html

    Sooo... A bike that weighs 40lbs.?

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    Yep. The + movement isn't about the fastest XC bike, but comfort and traction. No way it would be 40 pounds, but a 30 pound steel frame front suspension 29 + is easily attainable.
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    Now if only they could offer a 29+ hardtail at the price point of the 29+ rigid or 29" Stache 7, I might be able to afford on in this lifetime.

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    I like the new bike, but am glad that I just got the regular 2015 Stache 7. I wonder if the regular Stache will go away now. As of now they list both versions on their site.
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    The Pinkbike review states 28.5lbs not 40lbs.
    2 wheels == True

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    Aw Sh*t, 29+ jumped the shark. They'll be in WalMart next! ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Imagine how cool a "+" version of the Sawyer, with a swoopy steel frame plus modern geometry would have been?
    I would like that.

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    $1760 for the pretty basic spec on the Stache 5 isn't a deal that's sending me scrambling to my local Trek store. Nice looking frame, though, and 420mm chainstays on a 29+ bike is amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    It's great to see another 29+ bike available as it should help guarantee tire production for us Krampus owners 5-10 years down the road. But I have no interest in PFBB's or Boost spacing so I'll pass on this one and dream of something like a Nimble 9+ with Dirt Wizards.
    +1. No interest in PF or boost.

    Good to see a big player jump into 29+ though. I figured this was coming after the Chupacabra came out.

    Wonder if anyone has tried 29+ in a nimble with the drops all the way back?

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    Am I the only one here who thinks they should have kept the normal Stache?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    Am I the only one here who thinks they should have kept the normal Stache?
    They're still available
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    They're still available
    For now at least, remains to be seen if they will carry on into the next MY.
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    I got to check out the 9 in person last night, sick bike, didn't throw it on the scale but around 28-32# sounds right
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    Quote Originally Posted by deuxdiesel View Post
    Yawn. They had the opportunity (since they are so late to the "+" party) to create something unique, but are just following the herd now. Imagine how cool a "+" version of the Sawyer, with a swoopy steel frame plus modern geometry would have been?
    I'm working on this with my sawyer, 29+ requires new dropouts, I'm going to go b+, skip machining new dropouts and keep the same geometry

    Sadly I'll miss out on all the cool new forks with it's straight headtube
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    The Stache 5 is sharp!

    I do agree the Sawyer+ would be amazing! I've never ridden one, but always liked the way it looked.

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    Geo chart on the trek website shows seat angle is below 70 degrees! Is that meant to be an effective angle? If so, I wonder how is super slack seat tube combined with super short stays going to work on steep seated climbs..

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    I don't understand why they couldn't do this geo on the original Stache. That chainstay is crazy short!
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vemeno View Post
    Geo chart on the trek website shows seat angle is below 70 degrees! Is that meant to be an effective angle? If so, I wonder how is super slack seat tube combined with super short stays going to work on steep seated climbs..
    I noticed that too, I think they are measuring this angle from the BB to the clamp rather than the actual angle the seat post will be at, the seat post is definitely not more straight up than the head tube in person
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    $1760 for the pretty basic spec on the Stache 5 isn't a deal that's sending me scrambling to my local Trek store. Nice looking frame, though, and 420mm chainstays on a 29+ bike is amazing.
    They are on par (I think about $100 less) with the Krampus as far a price, and I am sure it's considerable lighter. Tubeless should be easier since it comes wit tubeless ready tires and rims. I was able to get my Krampus barely under 30 lbs. with single speed conversion, Chupacabras tubeless and carbon fork. The tires alone are $120 each. It makes the 5 look like a decent deal.

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    I can't see why people are complaining? This is what the original Stache should have been. Amazing geometry and decent price. Hell, Yelli is pretty expensive for a frame with similar geo but not the same tire clearance.

    I have a custom Walt 29+ with sub 17" chainstays and it's amazing. People are going to love this bike! Plus the suspension fork option, great rims, great tires etc.

    Only complain I see is the boost and pressfit bb, but boost is sort of necessary for short chainstays and huge tires. I did an offset frame to make it work with a 142x12 on my personal frame.

    I'm stoked on these. Looks like Trek has been getting a few things right for once. All the fat tires have been great. The rims are nice and set up tubeless (WITH BEAD LOCK) and geo has been on point. Big cups!

    As for the 29+ Sawyer thing, look into custom! Oddity Cycles makes amazing frames that are steel and sawyer like.
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    After spending three years on a bike whose stay length is adjustable from 16.25 to 17.25, 16.5 is shorter than I found to be (for me) optimum. Beyond that, I think this thing is killer and like the aesthetics more than those of my Krampus.

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    Here is more on the Bontrager TLR 29+ wheels that were obviously designed around the Chupacabra tires. It's interesting that they didn't have these ready when the Stache line was finalized, but maybe it would have made the complete bikes cost hundreds more than they already do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    I can't see why people are complaining? This is what the original Stache should have been. Amazing geometry and decent price. Hell, Yelli is pretty expensive for a frame with similar geo but not the same tire clearance.

    I have a custom Walt 29+ with sub 17" chainstays and it's amazing. People are going to love this bike! Plus the suspension fork option, great rims, great tires etc.

    Only complain I see is the boost and pressfit bb, but boost is sort of necessary for short chainstays and huge tires. I did an offset frame to make it work with a 142x12 on my personal frame.

    I'm stoked on these. Looks like Trek has been getting a few things right for once. All the fat tires have been great. The rims are nice and set up tubeless (WITH BEAD LOCK) and geo has been on point. Big cups!

    As for the 29+ Sawyer thing, look into custom! Oddity Cycles makes amazing frames that are steel and sawyer like.
    I'm complaining because most likely they won't offer a factory build 29er non plus.
    I want the Stache but one that has real 29er wheels, and something that costs less than $2k and has front suspension.
    I am not paying $2500 for a Stache, that's insane! I would rather buy an Instinct for a couple hundred more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    They are on par (I think about $100 less) with the Krampus as far a price, and I am sure it's considerable lighter. Tubeless should be easier since it comes wit tubeless ready tires and rims. I was able to get my Krampus barely under 30 lbs. with single speed conversion, Chupacabras tubeless and carbon fork. The tires alone are $120 each. It makes the 5 look like a decent deal.
    Agreed.

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    I guess if more ppl rode short stay bikes they'd be freaking out like me. This looks like the perfect hardtail to me.

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    The Stache 5 looks way better in person than in the Trek stock photo!

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    Super excited about these. All my current 29+ gear is for sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan GSR View Post
    I guess if more ppl rode short stay bikes they'd be freaking out like me. This looks like the perfect hardtail to me.
    405mm with 29" wheels looks really short, maybe too short.
    I'll wait to see if anyone reviews this bike with standard 29" wheels, maybe it would be an okay bike. It looks like the BB is kind of high with the + tires, so maybe standard 29" tires will lower the BB a little bit and improve the handling.

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    I wonder how many frame sets they will sell? I can't imagine there are that many people with extra pairs of Boost wheels laying around.

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    Anyway to add spacers to a 12x142 to fit the boost spacing?

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    Just had a quick test of the Stache 9. Likely a great ride for people who are people sized. At 6'6" I found the XL to very small. The demo folks also did not set it up tubeless which seemed silly. Aside from that no complaints from me.

    I was hoping it would be my 29+ SS to counterbalance my ECR but no so. Maybe a Krampus with a carbon fork is in the works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    I wonder how many frame sets they will sell? I can't imagine there are that many people with extra pairs of Boost wheels laying around.
    I forgot that the new Stache requires a new hub that no one makes.
    That would make 29er wheel builds quite difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    405mm with 29" wheels looks really short, maybe too short.
    I'll wait to see if anyone reviews this bike with standard 29" wheels, maybe it would be an okay bike. It looks like the BB is kind of high with the + tires, so maybe standard 29" tires will lower the BB a little bit and improve the handling.
    I think the 405mm is only possible if a 650B+ wheel is installed in place of the 29+. I believe that is part of an intended modularity. That may be partly why the BB is so high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BATRG3 View Post
    I think the 405mm is only possible if a 650B+ wheel is installed in place of the 29+. I believe that is part of an intended modularity. That may be partly why the BB is so high.
    But 650+ has roughly the same outer diameter as a 29" so wouldn't they be able to have the same chainstay length?

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    I'm guessing the 29 and 27.5+ can be set as short as 405 and the 29+ at 420. Guess you could always set the smaller tires at 420 if you like the longer stays better.
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    I think the new Stache 5 looks like a hit. Read about it on Thursday and ran to the bike shop on Saturday to see if they had any yet. Not yet. If it feels right to me I'll probably get one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuTone T View Post
    Anyway to add spacers to a 12x142 to fit the boost spacing?
    No, it's a totally different standard, wider shell. Unlike 135qr and 142x12 which are actually the same, only the frame interface is different, so that switching between the two is just a matter of endcaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blunderbuss View Post
    No, it's a totally different standard, wider shell. Unlike 135qr and 142x12 which are actually the same, only the frame interface is different, so that switching between the two is just a matter of endcaps.
    Yup. I was thinking about it some more and the real issue comes from the fact that the brakes are positioned differently. Even if you swapped axles and caps, your rotor wouldn't line up.

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    Yea, 405mm is too short for me no matter what tire size. The Krampus is a bike that can climb some pretty steep loose terrain because the CS is the length it is in conjunction with the 29+. Personally, I wouldn't want to give up the ability to do crazy seated climbing....but then again I am 6'4" with a higher seat than most which brings my weight back farther.
    CS length is such a personal preference, but I think it also has to do with a person's height. With that said, there are plenty of riders on this forum who are tall and love short CSs.
    I'd be willing to try it out, but would like a shorter fork to steepen the HA and lower the BB a little. The bike does look pretty damn good!

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    It's on the trek website now. Stache - Trek Bicycle

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    Complaining about new bike prices is old hat around mtbr, but at almost $3900 for a hardtail AL bike, I got to say that top-o-the-line bike seems to me to be about $900 overpriced. The Stache 7 is about $500 over. The Stache 5 is $200-300 over. And the frame only is about $200 over. I understand that Trek has a lot of new parts/standards invested in this model, and I really love the bike on paper, but still...

    If I recall right, the first year the Farley came out it was about $2700. The next year model a nearly identical Farley was $1700.

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    Hey guys I thought I'd share this video to spread the Stache 29+ stoke. First off a disclaimer, I work for Trek and have been working on the Stache 29+ project for the last couple of years so you could say I'm a little biased. I also stay out of the forum chit chat for the most part but I'm just so excited about the Stache! I'd also be happy to help answer any questions you have about the platform.

    This is a video of me riding my Stache 29+ in Santa Cruz last week before Sea Otter. Just for referance everyone else on the ride was on a 5" carbon FS bike...

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    Thanks for sharing [TA]. I'm super stoked on the bike. Hopefully I'll be riding mine next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [TA] View Post
    Hey guys I thought I'd share this video to spread the Stache 29+ stoke. First off a disclaimer, I work for Trek and have been working on the Stache 29+ project for the last couple of years so you could say I'm a little biased. I also stay out of the forum chit chat for the most part but I'm just so excited about the Stache! I'd also be happy to help answer any questions you have about the platform.

    This is a video of me riding my Stache 29+ in Santa Cruz last week before Sea Otter. Just for referance everyone else on the ride was on a 5" carbon FS bike...

    Enjoy!

    It looks nice, sure, but just not the same as a real Stache, and for the money I would much rather buy a full squish bike.
    But can you say if Trek will make a stock 29er Stache for 2016 or not?

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    As far as I know the previous Stache will no longer be produced after the 2015 model year. As mentioned earlier in this tread the new Stache can be setup with standard 29" wheels, this setup works especially well with a 130-140mm fork, making for a real AM hardtail. I do encourage you to try the new 29+ bike. The Chupacabra tire is incredibly fast rolling and the increased volume and low pressure adds capability to the Stache that would be impossible with standard 29" tires. There's no way I'd try and ride the USCS trails with a 29x2.35 tire on a hardtail. At the end of the day the goal of the 2016 Stache was to push the trail hardtail to the next level and I for one feel that we met that goal. We knew couldn't please everyone with the new bike, but perhaps it's best to try the new bike and our 29+ tire before you decide you don't like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [TA] View Post
    As far as I know the previous Stache will no longer be produced after the 2015 model year. As mentioned earlier in this tread the new Stache can be setup with standard 29" wheels, this setup works especially well with a 130-140mm fork, making for a real AM hardtail. I do encourage you to try the new 29+ bike. The Chupacabra tire is incredibly fast rolling and the increased volume and low pressure adds capability to the Stache that would be impossible with standard 29" tires. There's no way I'd try and ride the USCS trails with a 29x2.35 tire on a hardtail. At the end of the day the goal of the 2016 Stache was to push the trail hardtail to the next level and I for one feel that we met that goal. We knew couldn't please everyone with the new bike, but perhaps it's best to try the new bike and our 29+ tire before you decide you don't like it.
    I'll certainly demo a new Stache as soon as possible, as well as some true fatbikes to see how they ride in the summer. But the biggest problem I see with it is the price. I don't want a fully rigid bike so I would opt for the 7. The thing is I could spend a couple hundred more and buy a full suspension bike. The old Stache was reasonably priced and that was a big reason why I liked it.
    And the Stache frameset is a good $100 more than the Niner ROS9 frame.
    I am no doubt a huge Trek fan but I'm disappointed, but maybe I'll like it when I ride it. If it doesn't dull out the trail feel and climb like a brick then I'll probably like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [TA] View Post
    As far as I know the previous Stache will no longer be produced after the 2015 model year. As mentioned earlier in this tread the new Stache can be setup with standard 29" wheels, this setup works especially well with a 130-140mm fork, making for a real AM hardtail. I do encourage you to try the new 29+ bike. The Chupacabra tire is incredibly fast rolling and the increased volume and low pressure adds capability to the Stache that would be impossible with standard 29" tires. There's no way I'd try and ride the USCS trails with a 29x2.35 tire on a hardtail. At the end of the day the goal of the 2016 Stache was to push the trail hardtail to the next level and I for one feel that we met that goal. We knew couldn't please everyone with the new bike, but perhaps it's best to try the new bike and our 29+ tire before you decide you don't like it.
    The Stache looks like an amazing bike. Really impressive that it can be a 29er, 29+, or 27+.

    Any word on a 27+ Chupacabra? Would love to see more plus sized tires like the 27.5x4 on the new Farley: wide tread, but lower profile sidewalls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [TA] View Post
    First off a disclaimer, I work for Trek and have been working on the Stache 29+ project for the last couple of years so you could say I'm a little biased. I also stay out of the forum chit chat for the most part but I'm just so excited about the Stache! I'd also be happy to help answer any questions you have about the platform.
    Thanks for coming on, TA. It's often a no-win for bike companies to comment on forums, so kudos. Thanks to all at Trek to come out with a bike a lot of folks have been hoping to see for quite some time. Looks like you all nailed it in most every way that people were wanting. I thought I read somewhere that 27.5 trimmed models would be coming out? Any word on when that might happen? Or am I mistaken?

    Edit: Also, if one wanted to buy the frame only is there any way to get the rigid fork so as to avoid having to purchase the Stache 5?

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    I'm not sure when or if we'll spec it with 27.5+ I'd say we're in a holding pattern till the tires mature a bit more. I've ridden the few options that were available pre otter and so far I can say I much prefer the 29+ setup, but that's me. 29+: Lower profile tire(shorter bead to bead), less/no pedal induced bounce, weight equal or lighter than B+, faster rolling, more flotation, more traction, and crazy short stays (on our bike)... I guess I just don't see the appeal of B+ but as the tires improve that may change. I hope I'm not coming across too negative, not trying to kick anyones puppy, but I feel the tire is such an important part of the equation.

    Last I heard there are plans to sell the fork aftermarket, I actually had to check the dealer site because I thought we already were. The 5 uses the same 490mm ATC fork from the Superfly SS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [TA] View Post
    Hey guys I thought I'd share this video to spread the Stache 29+ stoke. First off a disclaimer, I work for Trek and have been working on the Stache 29+ project for the last couple of years so you could say I'm a little biased. I also stay out of the forum chit chat for the most part but I'm just so excited about the Stache! I'd also be happy to help answer any questions you have about the platform.

    This is a video of me riding my Stache 29+ in Santa Cruz last week before Sea Otter. Just for referance everyone else on the ride was on a 5" carbon FS bike...

    Enjoy!

    Looks awesome! I'm anxious to get out and ride one! Makes me think hard about my Remedy 9 27.5, which I don't ride much and whether the stache could be a fid replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [TA] View Post
    I'm not sure when or if we'll spec it with 27.5+

    ... so far I can say I much prefer the 29+ setup, but that's me. 29+: Lower profile tire(shorter bead to bead), less/no pedal induced bounce, weight equal or lighter than B+, faster rolling, more flotation, more traction, and crazy short stays (on our bike)... I guess I just don't see the appeal of B+ but as the tires improve that may change. I hope I'm not coming across too negative, not trying to kick anyones puppy, but I feel the tire is such an important part of the equation.
    No, I think you're absolutely right. The bike I'd like to go a little wider on is my Remedy 27.5 - my "fun" bike. But I don't want to put 3.25" Balloon tires on it. The goal is to have a larger contact patch and lower tire pressures - not to make my 27.5" into a 29" using 8lbs of rubber. Which is why a 27+ Chupacabra is so appealing.

    Trek is making killer tires these days - I hope to see a 2.5, 2.8, or 3.0 options in more treads soon! (Now that I'm thinking about it, a 2.8 XR3 front and a 2.8 XR2 rear sounds dreamy.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by [TA] View Post
    I work for Trek and have been working on the Stache 29+ project for the last couple of years so you could say I'm a little biased. I also stay out of the forum chit chat for the most part but I'm just so excited about the Stache! I'd also be happy to help answer any questions you have about the platform.
    Congrats on getting the new Stache out the door. Do you feel the 29+ is a replacement for a full suspension 2.3 in certain areas? Will we be seeing a Remedy in the future with 29+? Thanks

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    29+ adds impressive capability to a hardtail, but at the end of the day it's still a hardtail... The Stache is way more "flickable" than my standard 27.5 or 29" trail bike, I love bunny hopping over pretty much every log that comes my way. I also continue to be impressed just how fast the Stache will go through gnarly nasty rocks and roots. It also still climbs like a hardtail which I love. It's very satisfying to beat your buddies to the top of the climb on a "fat" bike. I think 29+ makes for the best riding trail hardtail you can get, but it's still a hardtail and that's what makes it so fun.

    I did hit the deck hard riding my Stache last week, the margin of error for a hardtail is still smaller than a FS bike. 29+ tires roll over some pretty big stuff, but it's still possible for them to hang up and put you off balance. I was getting cocky on my Stache last week and made the mistake of jumping into a little rocky section with my finger on the rear brake. When I made contact with the rough trail features the rear wheel grabbed more than I was expecting tossing me forward in the cock pit, things went pretty fast from there. I haven't been tossed off a bike so quickly in a long long time. As with any new bike there's a bit of a learning curve with just how hard you can push it... and 29x3 tires on big stiff wheels with short stays just tell you to push harder and harder.

    Here's a quick clip of my crash. You can here the rear tire hooking up and skipping as I'm thrown off the bike.

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    Plus one on this! Do you know if the remedy 29 can fit 27.5+ tires?


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    You keep referring to inappropriate ness of hard tail on those trails. The vids might well not do it justice but those look (to me) like ideal for a hardtail? I'm by no means a hard/very skilled rider - it's probably that I come from a hardtail background.

    Great looking bike though!

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    That really depends on what 27.5+ tire we're talking about. I would think the WTB Trail Blazer should fit, but that tire is just a hair larger than a normal 27.5 tire. The newer true B+ tires will either be SUPER tight or not fit at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    You keep referring to inappropriate ness of hard tail on those trails. The vids might well not do it justice but those look (to me) like ideal for a hardtail? I'm by no means a hard/very skilled rider - it's probably that I come from a hardtail background.

    Great looking bike though!
    There's a very good chance that I've gone bike industry soft, a Remedy 29 is normally my go to for those trails. Most of the local Fox Shox and Santa Cruz Bicycle guys choose a 140-160mm bike to ride there, I was getting some funny looks from EndruBros on Nomads. As we know GoPro footage does a great job of making steep trails look pretty mellow, but the UCSC trails have some pretty gnarly technical sections. I'm sure plenty of people can and do ride those sections on hardtails, but a FS or Plus bike allows you to carry way more speed through the hack.
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    As we know GoPro footage does a great job of making steep trails look pretty mellow, but the UCSC trails have some pretty gnarly technical sections

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    How is it in the air? Can it handle 3-4 foot drops without destroying joints?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sirsam84 View Post
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    Short stays mean the front end is super easy to get up for drops and manuals. It also give the bike a very nice pop off of jumps and lips. The increased volume of 29x3 tires will definitely help take the edge off of medium sized drops, but if hucks to flat are your thing a full suspension bike is still probably the best choice. The increased angular momentum of the 29+ tire means you probably won't be winning Whip Off Worlds on a Stache, but the bike has a very nice balanced feel in the air and I never hesitate to get mine into the air. We have a little slalom course at Trek HQ and I actually have my fastest time down the track on a Stache, faster than my Ticket S which started life as a dual slalom bike. I'm not sure if you mean your knee joints or the frame's welds, but we've definitely beaten the crap out of this design over the last few years and haven't had any issues with the sliding dropout or mid stay.
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    just rode the 9 today and hollllyyyy.... this is a revolution. It is efficient and very quick. I had what seemed like infinite traction on the steep rocky and rutted climbs. it absolutley flew/floated on the way back down the sketchy technical trail. it is not sluggish at all and is as fast as any modern hardtail when it gets flat. the bike was also totally down with jumping it at high speeds. the chainstays were set at 420mm. i would buy one of these if i werent already buying a 9.8 remedy =p... bottom line is GET THIS BIKE YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    TA, I'm curious if you are hitting your calfs or quads, or other part of your leg on the seat stays? The online magazine Singletracks posted a review indicating an unacceptable amount of leg rub on the frame.

    I got to see the 9 in the store yesterday - the spec appears to be spot on; can't wait to ride one.

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    I'll add thanks to [TA] for coming and participating on the boards.

    For me I've been waiting on more 29+ frames to hit the market, been enjoying my Monkey with 29+ front and 2.4" rear on Dually45 and really would like 29+ F&R, but as others have said, while there's a good bit of "new tech" on it, $900+ for a alu HT frame is just too much, especially when you can get a alu Gnasvester for under $600. For me I'd still also prefer steel to add more compliance, because as [TA] said, when it's all done and said, it's still a HT.

    As to 650B+ vs 29+, I personally think that 650B+ like the WTB TB 2.8" will win for those who already have 29er HT/Rigids and want some more plushness in the rear, but can't fit a 29+ or maybe on some shorter travel FS bikes and 29+ will take the HT/Rigid market (I personally prefer either FS or rigid, not HT).

    Anyways, subscribed to keep up to date on this.
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    Right there with you LyNx. Those thoughts are my thoughts too. I am also running 29+ on the front of my El Mariachi and 2.4 on the rear. Running Velocity Blunt 35's instead of duallys though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhopton View Post
    TA, I'm curious if you are hitting your calfs or quads, or other part of your leg on the seat stays? The online magazine Singletracks posted a review indicating an unacceptable amount of leg rub on the frame.

    I got to see the 9 in the store yesterday - the spec appears to be spot on; can't wait to ride one.
    i did a frew times but it is all about proper pedaling technique! dont ride like a clown and it wont happen its that easy!

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    I still dislike the Stache for its high price but for some reason I am becoming more interested in the Stache 5. It looks to be a perfect fully rigid bike because the extra tire volume will smooth out the jarring ride of a rigid bike. That's the one that makes sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhopton View Post
    TA, I'm curious if you are hitting your calfs or quads, or other part of your leg on the seat stays? The online magazine Singletracks posted a review indicating an unacceptable amount of leg rub on the frame.

    I got to see the 9 in the store yesterday - the spec appears to be spot on; can't wait to ride one.
    I haven't personally had any issues with heal or calf rub on the Stache, but for me a small amount of calf rub is normal on just about every bike I own. I ride left foot forward and have a habit of using my right leg to push against the seat stay as another control point while cornering. I haven't had rub while pedaling. Calf rub will vary based on calf size, leg length and pedaling style, also some people are also far more sensitive to it than others. If it's a concern I would highly recommend a test ride with your normal riding shoe/pedal setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I'll add thank to [TA] for coming and participating on the boards.

    For me I've been waiting on more 29+ frames to hit the market, been enjoying my Monkey with 29+ front and 2.4" rear on Dually45 and really would like 29+ F&R, but as others have said, while there's a good bit of "new tech" on it, $900+ for a alu HT frame is just too much, especially when you can get a alu Gnasvester for under $600. For me I'd still also prefer steel to add more compliance, because as [TA] said, when it's all done and said, it's still a HT.

    As to 650B+ vs 29+, I personally think that 650B+ like the WTB TB 2.8" will win for those who already have 29er HT/Rigids and want some more plushness in the rear, but can't fit a 29+ or maybe on some shorter travel FS bikes and 29+ will take the HT/Rigid market (I personally prefer either FS or rigid, not HT).

    Anyways, subscribed to keep up to date on this.
    I think it's going to be a very interesting couple of years. More high volume options is definitely a good thing, I've been sold on 29+ since my first experience on the Knard 3 years ago. 29+ will always have certain advantages (and disadvantages) over 27.5+, just like 27.5 vs 29, but just like 29” bikes not everyone will like the taller wheel. I also don't see any reason why 27.5+ and 29+ can't and won't both exist.


    My only real concern is with the nebulous nature of Plus. 29+ is pretty well defined and while tire options have been slowly increasing they're all pretty much the same size. Unfortunately the same can't be said for the rapidly growing 27.5+ market. While higher volume 27.5 tire that can be retrofit on 29" frames is cool and is a great option for 29” bike owners looking for something new to try, classifying both the Trail Blazer and Trax Fatty as B+ has the potential to really confuse the market. Just because a "plus" frame will fit the Blazer doesn't mean it'll fit the Trax. I would hate to see customers get burned by early, rushed to market plus bikes and totally dismiss the concept of high volume, low psi, trail shredding bicycles. The good news is there were some pretty promising looking 27.5+ tires shown at Sea Otter and they all seem to be settling in on 71-76mm wide and 720-730mm tall, which is still a bit under the claimed 29" effective diameter, but at least it's constant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    I still dislike the Stache for its high price but for some reason I am becoming more interested in the Stache 5. It looks to be a perfect fully rigid bike because the extra tire volume will smooth out the jarring ride of a rigid bike. That's the one that makes sense to me.
    Ha! I've been watching you rage in all these Stache threads, and at some point realized you doth protest too much and were going to buy one of these and be raving about it in just a few months time.

    I think the Stache 5 is likely the best deal. If you figure the price of the frame, then you're only spending $800 for a rigid fork, wheels and tires, a Deore kit, and cockpit fixings. That almost feels reasonable. Then, if you want suspension later, you can buy one of the forks a year from now for less than $500. Once the drivetrain is worn, you buy an new XT kit from overseas, and you got a lot of bike that you could run rigid or with suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    Ha! I've been watching you rage in all these Stache threads, and at some point realized you doth protest too much and were going to buy one of these and be raving about it in just a few months time.

    I think the Stache 5 is likely the best deal. If you figure the price of the frame, then you're only spending $800 for a rigid fork, wheels and tires, a Deore kit, and cockpit fixings. That almost feels reasonable. Then, if you want suspension later, you can buy one of the forks a year from now for less than $500. Once the drivetrain is worn, you buy an new XT kit from overseas, and you got a lot of bike that you could run rigid or with suspension.
    I don't know for certain if I will end up buying one. I will make sure to demo one, and hopefully I don't want to buy it immediately because I won't have $1700 this summer to spend on a new bike.
    I have wanted to try a rigid bike and maybe, just maybe, the Stache 5 would be the perfect rigid bike for me.
    I wouldn't want to have suspension on it because then I might as well buy a Full suspension bike or a Niner ROS9 for a little more than the price of the Stache7.

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