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    I want, but don't know why I want.

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    It's the bike I've been day dreaming about.

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    That looks like it could be a lot of fun. Not sold on the name, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    That looks like it could be a lot of fun. Not sold on the name, though.
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    Ah ha. Gotcha.

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    This pertains to my interests.

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    Saint Nicholas' evil companion that eats bad children. I'm liking this new Surly bike more and more.
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    We wants it precious.

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    That looks bad-ass. Must have.
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    Hrmmm, I'm liking the looks of this!!
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    Can I have it?

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    I was going to build a KM this winter, but this might take its place.

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    must. have. now.
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    that pic should be the headtube badge

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    I wonder if this rim/tire combo will fit in some existing rigid 29er forks!!!
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    Will it work up front with a P-35 rim? A real budget snow bike setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhc View Post
    Will it work up front with a P-35 rim? A real budget snow bike setup.

    The rims, (Rabbit Hole), are 50mm wide. So, P-35's will fit easily.
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    My question was along the lines of will it be too much tire for a P-35?

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    Enlighten us...
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    I really like my Fat front Jones. I love the idea of this, but wouldn't want to go back to 100mm front spacing. I wonder how the 3" 29er tire would compare to the 3.8" 26er tire... Maybe I get these rims build onto 135mm front hub and give it a go.

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    man another bike from surly to get me all hot and bothered!
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    Bike looks fantastic. Just wondering what frame, fork and wheelset will weigh...
    Also,how much and availability?

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    so...
    would these tyres work on p-35s?
    a skinny fat front anyone?

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    Actually, that tire width might be nice on a 26er

    I'm not quite sure if it would fit in my current 26er frame that has pretty ample clearance for "normal" tires. Probably not.

    ... or a 26er size version of the wheels and tires might be great for a frame dimensioned for fat 650b

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    Any leaks on the geometry? The ST seems to be pretty slack, which I personally love!

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    I will be putting these rims on my Jones - and a Knard on the front!!! - this is what I've been waiting for - it will be fatter AND lighter than my Gordo/WW setup. I wonder how low you can run them? 15psi or less?

    Well done Surly. I can't bloody wait

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    I'm slow, and confused.

    This is a 29er with clearance for new "fat" 29er tire setups, correct?

    I wonder if a Knard would fit in a niner cf fork? edit- looks like I have a max of 3-3/8" clearance, so it'd be tight but doable.
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    In a lineup that includes an Ogre and a Troll, a Krampus makes perfect sense. My only question is does this now belong in a new 29er+/semi-fat sub-forum? I love Surly's stuff, I'm only sad all I own is one of their forks.
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    While it's a very cool bike, especially if you're looking for one, I'm more interested in the tyre. Would put it on my KM to help raise the front and BB a bit and slack out the HA a tad and slow the steering down. This would probably pair nicely with a WTB WW 2.55" outback This is the only thing I've wanted to do to my KM (slack the front) and was thinking of purchasing a 490-500mm fork to do it, but this would be more funner and add more cush
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob1035 View Post
    I'm slow, and confused.

    This is a 29er with clearance for new "fat" 29er tire setups, correct?

    I wonder if a Knard would fit in a niner cf fork? edit- looks like I have a max of 3-3/8" clearance, so it'd be tight but doable.
    I'm lost as well.

    What size rims are normal fat bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    Saint Nicholas' evil companion that eats bad children. I'm liking this new Surly bike more and more.
    That's a take off on Schwartze Pete and Saint Nicolas in the Netherlands.

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    'Normal' fat bikes are 26" rims. This is a full on 700c rimmed bike, placing it in the 29" realm. You might be lucky if these fit in your fat bike, as these appear quite tall. certainly won't fit in any normal suspension forks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dropspace View Post
    that pic should be the headtube badge
    If I can get one of these bikes, I will make that happen. Great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~ View Post
    'Normal' fat bikes are 26" rims. This is a full on 700c rimmed bike, placing it in the 29" realm. You might be lucky if these fit in your fat bike, as these appear quite tall. certainly won't fit in any normal suspension forks.
    I made some measurements from pictures, the diameter of the 3" wide tire is 765mm, about 35mm more than a 29x2.1 tire. I would be very interested to get an actual width measurement of the tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    I wonder if this rim/tire combo will fit in some existing rigid 29er forks!!!
    It should be no problem for a Karate Monkey fork - 90 mm width should be enough for a 3" tire

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    Kamp as Krampus

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayJay View Post
    I made some measurements from pictures, the diameter of the 3" wide tire is 765mm, about 35mm more than a 29x2.1 tire. I would be very interested to get an actual width measurement of the tire.

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    I'm hoping Krampus arrives before the Dec. 6 date of St. Nicholas day. I'd like to buy and ride one before it gets that cold.

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    That's a take off on Schwartze Pete and Saint Nicolas in the Netherlands.

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    I am absolutely in love with this new bike and may just pull the trigger on one. I really wish Surly came out with a 650B monster, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~ View Post
    'Normal' fat bikes are 26" rims. This is a full on 700c rimmed bike, placing it in the 29" realm. You might be lucky if these fit in your fat bike, as these appear quite tall. certainly won't fit in any normal suspension forks.
    Anyone know how much taller than a 29er w/2.4 tire would be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    Anyone know how much taller than a 29er w/2.4 tire would be?
    Diameter should rise up to around 30 mm - it will rise the front about 15 mm and will be also 15 mm in the fork.

    This makes it very interesting as a front tire for a Karate Monkey. Rising the front should make the steering angle about one degree slacker so it would run a little more stable on decents.

    Because also the seat tube is a little more slacker I would use a seatpost without setback an the body centre is moved to the previous position for still good climbing.

    BTW: On the Krampus pics there is much room between the tire and the seatpost - so it must have very long chainstays and should not have this quick steering like a Karate Monkey.

    We will see, when the frame geometry charts are published...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerBergschreck View Post
    Diameter should rise up to around 30 mm - it will rise the front about 15 mm and will be also 15 mm in the fork.

    This makes it very interesting as a front tire for a Karate Monkey. Rising the front should make the steering angle about one degree slacker so it would run a little more stable on decents.

    Because also the seat tube is a little more slacker I would use a seatpost without setback an the body centre is moved to the previous position for still good climbing.

    BTW: On the Krampus pics there is much room between the tire and the seatpost - so it must have very long chainstays and should not have this quick steering like a Karate Monkey.

    We will see, when the frame geometry charts are published...
    Yeah, a well-fitted KM with 29+ front wheel would turn into a bit of a dual-slalom type of bike that will still climb well. Or one could make the bike fit that much more easily with a drop bar setup. I would like to suggest trying a 47mm On-One or Redline Flight fork on the KM, to compensate for the slackening of the head tube angle, (although the redline is a longer fork in itself, hmmm) and make the KM (or other 72 HTA 29"er) a bit more like the Redline Flight or, ultimately, Genesis 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    I am absolutely in love with this new bike and may just pull the trigger on one. I really wish Surly came out with a 650B monster, though.
    Surly doesn't need to do the "yeah me too" stuff like 650B, they made their own new genre. Again.

    Besides, the Troll fits 650B easily doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    Surly doesn't need to do the "yeah me too" stuff like 650B, they made their own new genre. Again.
    Indeed. Let's not forget the Karate Monkey is the first 29" Singlespeed, the KM fork the first rigid one to fit 80mm corrected, and the frameset the first on the market in all of 29", if the Supercal 29 with Marz doesn't count. That was crazy expensive, BTW, the KM a steal.

    If riding 26x3 Gazzalodis already made sense to some people, how about a 29+ tire half the weight?

    Will someone beef the tire up with a layer of kevlar or whatever and build a (relative) short travel DH bike around it? Some DH forks are bound to fit it already.
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    I'm just happy that the tyre will fit in my Salsa CroMoto Grande fork.

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    Very cool idea, half way to a Fatty, Been thinking about a Fat tired bike but this has peaked my interest.

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    Surly deserves respect for being a brand to just make bikes that are freeking fun, regardless of trends. All I hear these days is "650B this and 650B that" and they come out with something different and interesting. As a proud Karate Monkey owner for 8 years, I have faith that this bike will be a blast!
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    Once a few of those Krampi are wandering our Earth...
    Especially if they become one-and-only bikes for folks, or maybe only bike to take on a trip...

    What about a road rim/tire standard to complement the 29+ bike? Regular 29" slicks would drop the BB. Maybe not such an issue on the road, but even a 2.35" Supermoto already drops it like one inch, certainly when using 50mm rim, if that works at all for 2.35's.

    Enter: 32minus tires. Not quite 32" as one would expect.
    32" is the standard I've been proposing for quite a few years now. Probably since around the time I proposed 29x3.0 (shortly after I learned of Surly's shocking Pugsley 26x3.7 project)

    29+3" (a sound full size increment, nothing half-azzed) makes for 698mm bead seat diameter. Rim outer diameter 711mm.
    Make the first batch of rims them 27mm wide, to work with both modest (up to 2.4") knobby tires, AND 35mm or so slicks to be used in 29+ bikes as road wheels. 36 spokes, of course. I prefer more actually.
    Now 711mm is dead-on 28 inches. Yes, 700c/622/29" rims are 25" when you put the ruler to them.
    Add some 2.5" for the 35mm slick tires, and you get 30.5" just like 29+. If you need only 23mm rims and 28mm tires, more power to you. It will be quite light and the BB height will still work out for the type of riding (asphalt) you'd typically enjoy with it.
    Imagine a bike that fits you perfectly like a favorite MTB, which has road wheels which are significantly bigger than a typical 700c setup. As are your 29+ trail wheels. If the bike has the tire clearnance, you could even take it a step further, with 2.1" knobbies to make for 32" in diameter. Only .75" taller for your BB over 29+.

    Remember 26x2.1" WTB nanoraptors, and the difference +10% made to arrive at 1999 29x2.1" Nanoraptors? That was huge.
    Now, add ANOTHER 10%. Yes, it works out that way nearly to the third digit. Imagine that. The feel of that not-so-special Nano, as it was in 26", as it improved for 29", and then increased 10% once more. Then imagine your favorite 2.1" tire. Maybe a Conti Twister, maybe a soft compound Schwalbe Jimmy, maybe still that smooth rolling Nano.
    And it just MIGHT fit your krampus bike, if surly is as generous as usual with tire spacing. Main concerns are seat tube, BB yoke and seat stay bridge. Fork is fine.

    Seriously, think about it. 32" is getting closer and closer in terms of our everyday riding reality.
    For Surly, I am sure one day it will be a dedicated model. It may be a half inch taller or smaller than I propose that time around. But if Krampus doesn't fit 32" and 32-, then soon one of its offspring will.
    And making that rim and tire will be much easier than the Rabbit Hole/Knard combo. Don't underestimate the work this must have cost Surly. They likely took all their knowledge and balls, and still lost baths of sweat of this project. They once told me how hard it was to do the Pugsley, technically and financially. What they did here is huge, but 32" is now a piece of cake in comparison.

    Your crampus bike and wheel sets:
    29+ main wheelset for trail use, whatever that means to you
    32- semi-skinny or real skinny road slicks to ride with the missus, or frustrate the local roadie peloton.
    32" traditional 2.1" knobbies. Not looking for volume or mad grip, just something to make a dull trail a challenge, and still get nice flow and float. 32" will likely do better on the beach than 26x3.0 Gazzas.

    A 30-35mm 32" rim and suited off-road tires 2.0-2.5" is the next step, and is at least as worthy as a stand alone project as is Krampus. Pick your favorite 29" rubber and setups, and extrapolate that 10% bigger. Yes, size L frames and up, it will not be easy to fit an M rider, sorry.
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    I recall a several years back during frostbike riding my 26er and trying a 29er for the first time. A good friend brought it to the show and I was able to try it out in the snow. It had so much more float over the 26 conti explorer pro wide 2.1" tire I was using (yep I just dated my self a bit). Then this really funky bike showed up. Welds were not all that clean and it was just raw steel that looked as if it was finished the night prior. Thing was rolling 36" tires that we played in QBP parking lot that day. Kept bashing it into curbs, with the snow and large tire diameter it felt as if we could roll over anything. Next year or year after the Pug was introduced. I was lucky enough to be able to grab my friends 29er trying to follow them on the trails. As long as you kept moving on the 29er you were good. Stop and you sink right thru the crust. The pugs kept on moving.

    Blending the two a 29er and wider tire like the pug I am really excited seeing how it will ride. Now if I could order one with 16" Chain Stays keeping the wide tire and side wall with a narrow BB that would be ideal. Although I think it would violate one of the basic laws of physics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki View Post
    Once a few of those Krampi are wandering our Earth...
    Especially if they become one-and-only bikes for folks, or maybe only bike to take on a trip...

    What about a road rim/tire standard to complement the 29+ bike? Regular 29" slicks would drop the BB. Maybe not such an issue on the road, but even a 2.35" Supermoto already drops it like one inch, certainly when using 50mm rim, if that works at all for 2.35's.

    Enter: 32minus tires. Not quite 32" as one would expect.
    32" is the standard I've been proposing for quite a few years now. Probably since around the time I proposed 29x3.0 (shortly after I learned of Surly's shocking Pugsley 26x3.7 project)

    29+3" (a sound full size increment, nothing half-azzed) makes for 698mm bead seat diameter. Rim outer diameter 711mm.
    Make the first batch of rims them 27mm wide, to work with both modest (up to 2.4") knobby tires, AND 35mm or so slicks to be used in 29+ bikes as road wheels. 36 spokes, of course. I prefer more actually.
    Now 711mm is dead-on 28 inches. Yes, 700c/622/29" rims are 25" when you put the ruler to them.
    Add some 2.5" for the 35mm slick tires, and you get 30.5" just like 29+. If you need only 23mm rims and 28mm tires, more power to you. It will be quite light and the BB height will still work out for the type of riding (asphalt) you'd typically enjoy with it.
    Imagine a bike that fits you perfectly like a favorite MTB, which has road wheels which are significantly bigger than a typical 700c setup. As are your 29+ trail wheels. If the bike has the tire clearnance, you could even take it a step further, with 2.1" knobbies to make for 32" in diameter. Only .75" taller for your BB over 29+.

    Remember 26x2.1" WTB nanoraptors, and the difference +10% made to arrive at 1999 29x2.1" Nanoraptors? That was huge.
    Now, add ANOTHER 10%. Yes, it works out that way nearly to the third digit. Imagine that. The feel of that not-so-special Nano, as it was in 26", as it improved for 29", and then increased 10% once more. Then imagine your favorite 2.1" tire. Maybe a Conti Twister, maybe a soft compound Schwalbe Jimmy, maybe still that smooth rolling Nano.
    And it just MIGHT fit your krampus bike, if surly is as generous as usual with tire spacing. Main concerns are seat tube, BB yoke and seat stay bridge. Fork is fine.

    Seriously, think about it. 32" is getting closer and closer in terms of our everyday riding reality.
    For Surly, I am sure one day it will be a dedicated model. It may be a half inch taller or smaller than I propose that time around. But if Krampus doesn't fit 32" and 32-, then soon one of its offspring will.
    And making that rim and tire will be much easier than the Rabbit Hole/Knard combo. Don't underestimate the work this must have cost Surly. They likely took all their knowledge and balls, and still lost baths of sweat of this project. They once told me how hard it was to do the Pugsley, technically and financially. What they did here is huge, but 32" is now a piece of cake in comparison.

    Your crampus bike and wheel sets:
    29+ main wheelset for trail use, whatever that means to you
    32- semi-skinny or real skinny road slicks to ride with the missus, or frustrate the local roadie peloton.
    32" traditional 2.1" knobbies. Not looking for volume or mad grip, just something to make a dull trail a challenge, and still get nice flow and float. 32" will likely do better on the beach than 26x3.0 Gazzas.

    A 30-35mm 32" rim and suited off-road tires 2.0-2.5" is the next step, and is at least as worthy as a stand alone project as is Krampus. Pick your favorite 29" rubber and setups, and extrapolate that 10% bigger. Yes, size L frames and up, it will not be easy to fit an M rider, sorry.
    This is an excellent post and lot of thinking on your part...
    ...I commend you, very interesting reading!

    Thanks for sharing these thoughts!

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    This is an excellent post and lot of thinking on your part...
    ...I commend you, very interesting reading!

    Thanks for sharing these thoughts!
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    I am a poor man, otherwise I'd have launched 32" just to be able to ride it myself. And 29+ all the same.
    If you are not really short, there is some fun or even advantage to be had with 32".
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    There's a bunch of photos here.

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    Our very own photo-john rode it and he's still giddy.

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    The heck with John, ship it to me.

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    I built a 29er (170mm hub) rear wheel for my Mukluk. I run a Specialized Control 29X2.3 in back and a Surly 4.9 BFL in the front. With my other modifications, this half fat hybrid weighs 28.3 lbs in XL size. I'm hoping the Kanard fits in the rear of the mukluk frame (it might not). If it does, it would be the ultimate set up for most rides I do.
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    We all can speculate about this and that. Let's all ride the beast and make a honest assessment of the bikes capabilities on the trail.

    I do commend Surly for have the balls to create another unique bike.

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    Most definitely sign me up for at least one of these Knard tyres when they're available, most definitely want one to put on the front of the KM with 2.55" WW LT outback
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    I think the Knard will fit in the p-35 rim but id worry it blows off the rim at the wrong time (technically there is no right time for a tire to roll off the rim )

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    I will contact Surly to see what they say about the Knard on a Karate Monkey.

    This is going to be much better than adding a 490mm fork. I had a 490mm and ended up sticking with the KM fork. I think I will be trying the 29er+ setup myself. Right now I am running tubeless WWs.

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    I'd love to know if the Knard/Rabbit Hole combo would fit a Salsa Enabler fork. I am guessing yes. Much respect to the Surly for repeatedly making enormous contributions to cycling culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak View Post
    I'd love to know if the Knard/Rabbit Hole combo would fit a Salsa Enabler fork. I am guessing yes. Much respect to the Surly for repeatedly making enormous contributions to cycling culture.
    I thought the front was going to be 100mm spacing. Isn't the Enabler 135mm? Would you just lace the RH rim to a 135 hub?

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    I run a carver carbon fork on my Mukluk. It's basically the same size as the Salsa enabler. There is lots of room with a standard 29er rim and a 2.4 tire (about 2.5 inches to the side of the crown). This tire is bigger but it can't be more than an inch taller than a standard 29er.

    Now all we need is a suspension fork!

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    Bummer, not arriving until March. At least I have plenty of time to pile up my pennies for the purchase.

    One of the hottest bikes at QBPs SaddleDrive event is the new Krampus. A 29er fat bike with 3 inch tires. Complete bikes will be available around March with an MSRP of $1950.
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    Quote Originally Posted by messofzero View Post
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    I want, but don't know why I want.
    I have no use for a bike like this. I ride on pavement or gravel. Really this bike has no practical appeal for me.

    I still want one.

    Here's why:

    I built up a Surly Ogre over the winter. I built it up as an urban bike, and as I did parts selection I specifically chose parts that wouldn't break over parts that were high performance. My motto was "I'm not building a bike that goes AROUND things. I'm building a bike that goes OVER or THROUGH things.". It's an awesome bike. This bike is my ogre, turned up to 11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trumpus View Post
    I thought the front was going to be 100mm spacing. Isn't the Enabler 135mm? Would you just lace the RH rim to a 135 hub?
    The front of the Krampus, i.e. its fork, will be 100mm. The Salsa Enabler is 135mm. The Knard is a tire. THe Rabbit Hole is a rim. The tire and rim can be built onto any size hub you want. I realize this thread is about the Krampus. But the Knard begat the Krampus.

    By the way, WTF is a Knard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak View Post
    By the way, WTF is a Knard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulmaag View Post
    This tire is bigger but it can't be more than an inch taller than a standard 29er.
    How much you wanna bet?



    Now all we need is a suspension fork!
    This rim/tire combo *barely* fits a few existing sus forks. Barely.

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    Cool! Then it will be excellent as a fatbike tire alternative for dirt riding!

    I was thinking about a suspension fork like the German Answer fatbike fork.

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    Wikipedia is Wrong!

    When I ride too hard after a big meal, I get Krampus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulmaag View Post
    I run a carver carbon fork on my Mukluk. It's basically the same size as the Salsa enabler. There is lots of room with a standard 29er rim and a 2.4 tire (about 2.5 inches to the side of the crown). This tire is bigger but it can't be more than an inch taller than a standard 29er.

    Now all we need is a suspension fork!
    Whatever the tallest rear tire you've run, consider that the difference with Knard's 30.5" need to be halved for loss of clearance. I bet lateral clearance will be fine, vertical might be a bit of a squeeze. Suppose the tallest you've run is ONLY 29.00". Tape a 0.75" block to it and see how it goes round.

    A thing that sortof disappoints me in my mix-matching dreams, is that I don't think I'll get this to work with V-brakes. I'd buy 3.0" tire / 50mm fork compatible V's+Levers if they existed. Maybe in the Fat Bike forum someone runs a home made solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki View Post
    A thing that sortof disappoints me in my mix-matching dreams, is that I don't think I'll get this to work with V-brakes. I'd buy 3.0" tire / 50mm fork compatible V's+Levers if they existed.
    My guess is it's better for your health if that dream does not come true. The stopping distance might be a little more than you dreamed of...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki View Post
    A thing that sortof disappoints me in my mix-matching dreams, is that I don't think I'll get this to work with V-brakes. I'd buy 3.0" tire / 50mm fork compatible V's+Levers if they existed. Maybe in the Fat Bike forum someone runs a home made solution.
    I've used a Tektro 857AL (110mm arms) with a 26" 47mm rim (on a unicycle) and there is clearance for a Duro 26x3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupboy View Post
    I'm just happy that the tyre will fit in my Salsa CroMoto Grande fork.
    Have you confirmed this????


    Mikesee- can you tell us if it fits in a Salsa CroMoto Grande Fork??
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    Quote Originally Posted by david.p View Post
    I've used a Tektro 857AL (110mm arms) with a 26" 47mm rim (on a unicycle) and there is clearance for a Duro 26x3.
    That's very interesting, thanks! The Knard doesn't look very tall for a true 3.0.
    Would canti post spacing not be an issue?

    And Jeroen, you know me well enough to understand that I would even skip a front brake from a build I would think I go that minimalistic. Stopping distance is irrelevant with unlimited grip.
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    I read Knard as canard:

    a : a false or unfounded report or story; especially : a fabricated report b : a groundless rumor or belief

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    If you are listening, and I read in another thread that you are. Produce twice as many tires as you planned to in the first run. For if they fit in the front of a rigid fork, many are going to want one, just because.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhc View Post
    Surly

    If you are listening, and I read in another thread that you are. Produce twice as many tires as you planned to in the first run. For if they fit in the front of a rigid fork, many are going to want one, just because.
    Me too! Just because. I want two. And a Krampus.

    You surely need an old bike wrench as a test pilot. I am available!

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    Will the Kanard fit a Carver O'Beast FatBike fork?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki View Post
    Whatever the tallest rear tire you've run, consider that the difference with Knard's 30.5" need to be halved for loss of clearance. I bet lateral clearance will be fine, vertical might be a bit of a squeeze. Suppose the tallest you've run is ONLY 29.00". Tape a 0.75" block to it and see how it goes round.

    A thing that sortof disappoints me in my mix-matching dreams, is that I don't think I'll get this to work with V-brakes. I'd buy 3.0" tire / 50mm fork compatible V's+Levers if they existed. Maybe in the Fat Bike forum someone runs a home made solution.
    I uploaded a picture of the Carver O'Beast fork for FatBike with a 2.3X29er tire. Sure looks like the Kanard should fit.
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    Yeah, but is the 29er yoke for the BOB Yak trailer big enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhc View Post
    Surly

    If you are listening, and I read in another thread that you are. Produce twice as many tires as you planned to in the first run. For if they fit in the front of a rigid fork, many are going to want one, just because.

    me too!
    dont have the money at the moment for a complete build..but I guess I surely would like to try the wheel /tire combo on my rigid fork..

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    alright mikesee, since you seem to be chilling on this thread more'n the other.
    in terms of traction, I'm assuming this compare smore favourably iwth hudu's than nate's?
    I've still got gazzis, so not in a rush to lose traction for weight. (although it WOULD be luvverly!) which is why I was originally waiting for the nates to get more widely available before i got a fatbike.
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    Krampus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    When I ride too hard after a big meal, I get Krampus.
    Dang near Killedus.

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    I love the idea of big volume 29er tyres. 2.3 gatos are monsters (for me) and great for mud and wider on my p35s than 2.4 ardents. My jones has bags of clearance up front for more and I'm game for bigger. Starting to think about a fat front but I think this sounds much better. I'll wait and see if they would fit/work on the rims - too narrow? Interesting chat above regarding geo changes/tyre height.

    Ultimately I reckon the Knards might not be absolutely right for me tread wise but I love the overall size being 'birthed'.

    Think surly are a very interesting bike company, very creative. I won't be buying a Krampus but I think it looks like a great bike, looked at it a lot . I look forward to hearing the ride reports.

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    Mr. Jones, meet Mr. Knard and Mr. Rabbit Hole. Gentlemen, we'll be spending a lot of time together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhc View Post
    Surly

    If you are listening, and I read in another thread that you are. Produce twice as many tires as you planned to in the first run. For if they fit in the front of a rigid fork, many are going to want one, just because.
    Me too, just because !

    Will (does) it fit a KM front fork ? Please Surly say yes !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Mikesee- can you tell us if it fits in a Salsa CroMoto Grande Fork??
    One of those has never been within a country mile of my shop nor my bikes, so I have no clear idea.

    But I'd guess yes. Especially going forward--we all know Salsa will hop onto Surly's bandwagon and capitalize any way they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki View Post
    That's very interesting, thanks! The Knard doesn't look very tall for a true 3.0.
    Would canti post spacing not be an issue?
    I don't have a 29er fork with cantis to compare but the brake posts on my unicycle frame are 94mm c-c.

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    First ride: Surly's new Krampus, a '29 plus' with 3-inch tires | Dirt Rag Magazine

    this thing just looks what the honey badger would ride
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