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    Quote Originally Posted by rmalling View Post
    Seeking to change my rigid fork on the Krampus to a suspension fork. Too many rough rides lately making me think I want to explore the idea.

    Hoping to get some recommendations on forks that will fit size 3.0 tires. I'm wondering if a remote lockout would give my the experience I've enjoyed hammering it out of the saddle.
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    Had some fun with the grinch last night. Wish the tire didn't rub the CS soo much though...kinda annoying when grinding out a climb. Other than that I love it.

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    Took the Surly to Michigan last weekend. Rifle River Recreational Area trails were AWESOME!! Temp was like 60 degrees....Sunday morning...empty trails....smell of white pin and ferns...got a bunch of Pure Michigan dust on it


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    I have other pix but the site is saying that they are too large to upload ? Near the same size as this one...oh well
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    This might sound ridiculous, but I've found the easiest way to re-size a picture is to text it to myself. I then save it from there, and use it here.

    You ride with a very short seat post!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch406 View Post
    This might sound ridiculous, but I've found the easiest way to re-size a picture is to text it to myself. I then save it from there, and use it here.

    You ride with a very short seat post!?

    Nice bike!
    Cool. I might try that.

    The seat post is directly influenced by my BMX riding I guess. I don't spend much time on it....I tend to stand and mash going up...and stand and absorb shock going down...I have tried it higher in the past, but it makes me feel all weird and "squished" in the cockpit. I feel less "efficient"
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    Per Surly, new Krampus updates are slated for Sept Dirt Demo.
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    Anyone ride a small Krampus? And if so, did you try a medium?

    Really thinking about possibly switching the small for a medium, eventually, but I'm not sure. I'm 5'7" with a 33.3" inseam, long arms, and have too much seatpost showing. My Jones H loop bars do shorten the reach, and I use a 80 mm 30 degree stem to bring them up and in. I think the ett is 585 on the small, and 609 on the medium. That is only an inch difference. The bike is comfortable and rides well, but it has more spacers than it should, too. I use a zero offset seatpost, so that does bring me forward a lot.

    Anyone have an opinion?
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    Krampus rebuild

    Been collecting parts to build the Krampus out for longer trips off the beaten path. Very very happy with the Whisky on the front, really smooths out the daily commute.Surly Krampus-krampus_small.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    Anyone ride a small Krampus? And if so, did you try a medium?

    Really thinking about possibly switching the small for a medium, eventually, but I'm not sure. I'm 5'7" with a 33.3" inseam, long arms, and have too much seatpost showing. My Jones H loop bars do shorten the reach, and I use a 80 mm 30 degree stem to bring them up and in. I think the ett is 585 on the small, and 609 on the medium. That is only an inch difference. The bike is comfortable and rides well, but it has more spacers than it should, too. I use a zero offset seatpost, so that does bring me forward a lot.

    Anyone have an opinion?
    Do it! I'm the same height with a shorter inseam and run a 50mm stem (20mm spacer) either with Jones Bend 710 or Stooge Moto 800, love it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    Anyone ride a small Krampus? And if so, did you try a medium?

    Really thinking about possibly switching the small for a medium, eventually, but I'm not sure. I'm 5'7" with a 33.3" inseam, long arms, and have too much seatpost showing. My Jones H loop bars do shorten the reach, and I use a 80 mm 30 degree stem to bring them up and in. I think the ett is 585 on the small, and 609 on the medium. That is only an inch difference. The bike is comfortable and rides well, but it has more spacers than it should, too. I use a zero offset seatpost, so that does bring me forward a lot.

    Anyone have an opinion?
    Im on a medium. 5'8. Not sure on cycling inseam...
    Small felt small to me.
    I'm running loops with the stock stem

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    Do it! I'm the same height with a shorter inseam and run a 50mm stem (20mm spacer) either with Jones Bend 710 or Stooge Moto 800, love it.


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    Maybe I should just get a Jones in a couple of years. What size Jones? I can't find a geometry chart on their site. (That's a Jones Bend on a Krampus? Or a Jones bike?).
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    The Jones Hbar bend.


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    What type of rack did you mount? I'm looking for options for my Krampus, front and rear racks.

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    Im 6'1" and am in a large with a 35mm stem. It fits fairly well but could have gone with an XL.

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    Just popped in to say, I bought a Krampus a few weeks back, and I can confidently say its the most "capeable" mountain bike I've ever had. My bike history has included going back to about 1992, Trek 6000, GT Avalanche, Klein Attitude, Specialized Enduro, Gary Fisher X caliber, Redline Monocog, 2016 model topfuel 8. It isn't as heavy as you think after you take care of the rotating weight. I went Ghetto tubeless with gorilla tape and the serfas sealant. It scrawls up rooty terrain, and rolls over rocky terrain like no other bike i've ever had. Being rigid it still climbs pretty well. What it loses in quick, punchy accelerations it gives you back in roll coming out of corners with those big tires. Riding in Durango last week it felt like somebody giving you a push after you let the brakes off in a downhill off camber turn. No boost, no proprietary stuff, simple, fun, reliable. Its not a world cup racer, but it will get you through sand. Its not a fat bike, but it is fast enough on trails and roads to not get bored. I can't wait to try it with some 29x2's for some more speed. Surly is so overlooked, I've owned 3 of their bikes, and liked them all I still own a crosscheck as my "roadgrinder" They really do make bikes for the masses.

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    Get some bouncy forks on the front and the Krampus will get even better.

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    I wonder if i may request some advice please.

    I am about to order a new bike and am torn between the Karate Monkey and Krampus. My riding will be about 70% city and 30% trail. The Krampus is the bike I prefer but I wonder how draggy 3" tyres will be around the town and if I will get fed up with them. I don't really want to invest in a second skinny wheel set if I can help it (I assume Duallys for 3" tyres cannot run skinny 2.4 tyres?)

    Also due to the phasing out of the current Krampus I can only get a size XL Ops in black. I am a shade over 6ft2 so imagine this is the one to go for, but from photos I have seen the XL looks absolutely massive! Also, are the chainstays really that much longer on the Ops version so as to be detrimental to handling?

    Thanks for any advice.

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    If you need the large, either wait for the new bikes to be released, or find a large frame set on eBay. The XL Krampis is supposed to fit someone a lot taller than that, if their size recommendations are accurate.

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    Muirenn.... now I am really confused as the Surly website lists the following:

    5'11 to 6'3 - Large
    6'2 up - XL

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    Surly's
    Geometries
    Are all over the place, fit wise. Do you have a bike now? Does it fit? What make and model is the bike? Is there a surly shop you can go to and be sized
    Properly so you can buy the right sized bike?

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    If i can see the geometry chart of your Ellsworth Specialist, i can compare it to Krampii geometries. But I'll need the bike's year, too. Companies change there bike's geometries from year to year.
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    Goodness that's an old profile I have! I now have a large Stanton Slackline, approx year 2012. It is too small for me.

    Unfortunately the Surly shop is on the other side of the country so a visit is not possible.

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    Is that the Stanton Slackline 853, 631, or Ti? 27.5 wheels?
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    It's 853 26" wheels Muirenn. Thanks.

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    I have wanted/bought/owned both bikes.....

    take this for what it's worth, I sold the KM after it collected dust for 6 months

    The KM was great! The Krampus IS WAAAAY BETTER FOR EVERYTHING!!!!

    If you think about the only advantage a KM would have would be running skinnier tires
    at higher pressures..... but the Krampus can do this too....

    fwiw, 29+ tires are still very fast on pavement, especially at higher pressures

    I have not once missed my KM...

    I have owned my Krampus for over a year now.... Still love it in every way!!!!
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    It looks like their website is showing sizes for only those that remain in-stock. It lists a 16.5 and an 18. Not in S, M, L, etc. I've tried google searches for older models, but this chart looks the same. It appears the Ti version has the same geometry as the 853. Not positive. My suggestion is to email them and ask for a geometry chart for your model, and figure out what size it actually is. Then post it here and I'll compare it to the Krampus geometry.

    https://www.stantonbikes.com/product/slackline-ti/

    Nice bike, btw!

    If you are on the 18", I believe you when you say it doesn't fit. I'm 5'7", and that would fit me. More or less. (But I need a larger bike due to having so much seat post showing on the one that is technically correct for my torso length).

    If none of that is going to get you a good answer, my suggestion is to go to as many shops as possible and test some similar geometry mountain bikes, and make note of make and model, then I can compare those geometries to the Krampus. Being in between size guidelines makes it hard to buy online. (I'm between a small and medium). I know a lot of brands list their size smalls as being appropriate for someone 5'3" to 5'9". Those are not even close, obviously. Take your time, and don't buy until you are confident on the size. (And if that slackline is an 18", I might be interested . That's a nice bike.

    Suggestion: call Jones Bikes and talk to the guy. Their basic steel diamond frameset isn't too expensive, and he will make sure you have the right size. But it would still help to know what size you are riding now.
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    Regarding sizing, The Krampus has a relatively long top tube... You could totally rock an XL and take advantage of a larger frame bag option and just use a shorter stem...

    I'm 6ft 1in and ride a size L, I use a medium length h-bar stem off a ghost mtb.
    I am considering a shorter stem to put me in a more ergonomic position
    or maybe even raising my bars up higher for longer days in the saddle...

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    you can run 2.4's on duallys
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    Here is a Slackline with 19.5" geometry listed:

    https://www.stantonbikes.com/product...-853-next-gen/
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    It depends on your body type at 6'2". I'm 5'11" with shorter inseam and long torso & arms. I had my large Krampus set up with a 75mm stem.

    If I were you, I'd lean toward the XL with a short stem, unless your all legs and short torso & arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Kirkwood View Post
    I am about to order a new bike and am torn between the Karate Monkey and Krampus. My riding will be about 70% city and 30% trail. The Krampus is the bike I prefer but I wonder how draggy 3" tyres will be around the town and if I will get fed up with them. I don't really want to invest in a second skinny wheel set if I can help it (I assume Duallys for 3" tyres cannot run skinny 2.4 tyres?)

    Also due to the phasing out of the current Krampus I can only get a size XL Ops in black. I am a shade over 6ft2 so imagine this is the one to go for, but from photos I have seen the XL looks absolutely massive! Also, are the chainstays really that much longer on the Ops version so as to be detrimental to handling?

    Thanks for any advice.
    based on your 70/30 ratio i would say the KM is a better choice. i'm curious though, how much time/miles are we talking on the pavement? the Krampus if great, but it's about as far as you can get from a road bike. pavement chews MTB tires faster than slicks, and geo wise your pretty much no better on either so i'd call that a wash. it comes down to how much time your going to spend on the road vs trails, and personal preference.

    obviously you are intentionally buying a MTB knowing your going to spend a significant amount of time on pavement, and saw the "two wheelsets" comments coming in advance. and you must realize there are going to be tradeoffs. I'm going to say it anyway, you sound like a good candidate for two wheelsets. you don't have to do it right away. regardless of which bike you choose, you'll form your own opinion on your setup once you ride it for a while.

    (FYI you can have good MTN wheels and just buy a cheap, reliable set of road wheels for ~$100-150, tires for $30-40, and a cassette for cheap. they will be way better than MTB wheels/tires for road and won't ruin your knobby tires. you don't need to break the bank for a commuter wheelset. it can be done for well under $200, something to think about.)

    your absolutely within the XL frame size. I'm 6'3" on a XL and when i ordered it I expected to have to put a shorter stem on. instead I'm thinking of putting a longer stem on so when i stand and climb the handlebars aren't so far underneath me, but in front instead. if I were you, I'd get the XL no question. the difference in chainstay length is completely inconsequential. a couple MM at best. you'll never know the difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    The XL Krampis is supposed to fit someone a lot taller than that, if their size recommendations are accurate.
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    If you are 6'2" definitely get an XL. I am 6'1" and ride a large with a 35mm stem. I could have equally gone XL in terms of top tube as I wouldn't mind another inch in the top tube. The only issue with the XL is standover. It is a lot bigger than L.

    I'm running Blunt P35s which are good if you want to run smaller tyres. I am currently running 3" Dirt Wizards which are awesome on dirt but draggy on the road. I ride 90 dirt / 10 road so not an issue. I looked at Duallys but they're heavier and you may have issues with narrower tyres.

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    Sorry I was talking about a Krampus not a KM. PS the Krampus is an awesome bike.

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    Now the 2017 Karate Monkey is available as 27.5+... I think they will be available later this year. That makes it a little tougher to decide between the two if choosing! You can't go wrong with a Krampus, though. I have seen people run 29er wheels on them, but I don't know why. The stock Knards do pretty well on pavement, but maybe do wear faster than on dirt. I have 800 miles on my rear tire, probably 500 of that is pavement, riding to the dirt. There is definite wear, might be good for 1200 miles.

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    Interestingly the KM has a 69 degree head angle where as the Krampus is 69.5. Wheelbase is 1129 KM v 1138 K. Add some bouncy forks and angleset and these numbers change a bit (im now at 1170WB and 66.4 HA).

    I suppose the big advantage of the Krampus is you can run 3" tyres which you cant on the KM. I was running a set of Ibex 29 x 2.4" tyres last winter as the Knards are rubbish in mud (which we get a lot of in the UK) and the 2.4" tyres had acres of mud clearance. Also the Ibex are 900g cf 1000 for a Knard. I am now running 3" Dirt Wizards which are great but heavy (1250g) but I am not sure on the mud clearance once winter comes so may go back to Ibex for winter. Knards are great for general XC riding use but nowhere near as aggressive as a DW or the Ibex if you want to ride hard.

    At the end of the day it depends on what and where you ride. Either way the Krampus is a versatile beast.

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    Maxxis has just released a 29x3 Minion. I hear these are around 1000g which is fairly light. It will be interesting to see some reviews once they are released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fartymarty View Post
    Maxxis has just released a 29x3 Minion.
    where did you get that info? link?

    are they available now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    where did you get that info? link?

    are they available now?
    Not available yet, sometime this fall. Likely after Interbike, you can see them here - Whistler Village Randoms: Crankworx 2016 - Pinkbike
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    ^ thanks. DHR please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoafInTX View Post
    Now the 2017 Karate Monkey is available as 27.5+... I think they will be available later this year. That makes it a little tougher to decide between the two if choosing! You can't go wrong with a Krampus, though. I have seen people run 29er wheels on them, but I don't know why. The stock Knards do pretty well on pavement, but maybe do wear faster than on dirt. I have 800 miles on my rear tire, probably 500 of that is pavement, riding to the dirt. There is definite wear, might be good for 1200 miles.
    Re 29er the answer is because you can . That's what makes the Krampus a very special bike. It can accommodate all kinds configurations and riding styles. MTB of course, bike packing yup, commuter you bet, single speed, geared, internal hub, squishy forks or rigid. It's freakin amazing! If I could only afford one bike it'd be this badass ride for sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Kirkwood View Post
    I wonder if i may request some advice please.

    I am about to order a new bike and am torn between the Karate Monkey and Krampus. My riding will be about 70% city and 30% trail. The Krampus is the bike I prefer but I wonder how draggy 3" tyres will be around the town and if I will get fed up with them. I don't really want to invest in a second skinny wheel set if I can help it (I assume Duallys for 3" tyres cannot run skinny 2.4 tyres?)

    Also due to the phasing out of the current Krampus I can only get a size XL Ops in black. I am a shade over 6ft2 so imagine this is the one to go for, but from photos I have seen the XL looks absolutely massive! Also, are the chainstays really that much longer on the Ops version so as to be detrimental to handling?

    Thanks for any advice.
    I picked up a brand new Dually wheelset of of ebay cheap...definitely take a look there. As far as road bike performance I was pleased with the krampus on a trip across Ohio, Cleveland to Cinci and back. The Schwalbe Super Moto/Dually combo were fast and pretty light. No regrets about doing the ride on the KrampusSurly Krampus-13754216_1253166541383605_146811042786735657_n.jpg

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