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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    I'm excited about the prospect of dirt wizards and easy suspension fork compatibility with my krampus. For the southern piedmont riding where I am 90% of the time rigid is fine, but when I hit the mountains, it's rough rough rough.
    I was just about to ask this question. I was for a ride today on some of the rougher part of the trails I ride and towards the end of the season with my Kramus my elbow and wrists are feeling it (older guy). I am the same 90% of my riding is fine but when conditions and trails are ripe I seem to really take it. If there is no suspension fork/tire combo available for next season I may have to resort to considering a Instigator 2.0. I am not going back to skinny tires I love the traction .
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    Quote Originally Posted by temporoad View Post
    I was just about to ask this question. I was for a ride today on some of the rougher part of the trails I ride and towards the end of the season with my Kramus my elbow and wrists are feeling it (older guy). I am the same 90% of my riding is fine but when conditions and trails are ripe I seem to really take it. If there is no suspension fork/tire combo available for next season I may have to resort to considering a Instigator 2.0. I am not going back to skinny tires I love the traction .
    I've got a RS Reba RLT hanging out in my office - just waiting on some Dirt Wizards to show up.
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    A Fox 34 works with a Knard/Rabbit hole combo. I run it on my bike and it works great. It looks tight but I haven't experienced any rubbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rattattack View Post
    - tall stem, like that - what's that?
    I'm a freak of nature w/ long arms and legs but a short upper body. 6'2", 36" inseam and sleeve. The frame is a XL and with the riser stem the bars are about 1.5 inches below the saddle.

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    ...nice looking pouch on the front, is that from maxpedition? Prost on the Germany beer - that'll depend on where you bought it I guess
    It's a Maratac, a little lower quality than Maxpedition, but cheaper and it's nice and tall with a removable insulating padded insert that's good for keeping a German beer cold! I get them at countycomm.com. Lots of practical tactical stuff (bags, containers, lights, pocket pry bars, etc., etc.) at a good price. The bag works really well on the front since all the weight is in a narrow column parallel to the steering axis. Even when it's fairly heavy it doesn't impact steering significantly. Three straps per bag and they're off the bike, then the mini-rack supporting the bottom of the front bag comes off with one fastener so it's easy to lose the gear for a fast ride, or even once I'm set up in the woods and feel like playing on the bike unencumbered.

    My wife and I will think of you next time we say "Prost!" over a couple of Heffe Weizens! I stayed in Bavaria (Neu Ulm) for several months back in the 80s and I'm familiar with most of that beer list, but lately I'm all about the Weihenstephaner Heffeweissbeir Dunkel. Back in the day a bottle of local Bavarian beer, a couple of brochen, and I was good to go for an afternoon riding along the Donau!

    Oh, and I figured that "mechanical sympathy" bit would bite me in the ass... I blew up my Alfine 11 a couple of days ago! I'm back to the stock deraileur setup while my LBS is rebuilding the wheel with a N360 while I wait to see what happens with the warranty claim on the Alfine.

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    rim choice

    rabbit hole or derby 35mm carbon?

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    I own the Rabbit Holes and love how wide they make the tire but if I were building a wheelset right now I would go for the Velocity Dually. It is still wide at 45mm and tubeless compatible. I have talked to Ray at Derby about possibly making a wider rim in the 40-50mm range and he said he would consider it if enough people ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    I own the Rabbit Holes and love how wide they make the tire but if I were building a wheelset right now I would go for the Velocity Dually. It is still wide at 45mm and tubeless compatible. I have talked to Ray at Derby about possibly making a wider rim in the 40-50mm range and he said he would consider it if enough people ask.
    Until there are actually some user reports from Dually equipped Krampi it's a bit premature to assume those tubeless setups are going to be better than the RH setups.
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    True. One can only hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    True. One can only hope.
    +1 - true

    Stan's is apparently making fatbike rims. I haven't heard specifically anything about 29+ rims, but that wouldn't surprise me. Their rims are pretty light, strong and I'd give them the benefit of the doubt on the tubeless side of things.

    BTW - one thing we seem to be overlooking is a great tubeless setup is based on the design of the rim, the design of the tire and how it is setup. If you want to run 29+ rubber you have exactly one tire option - at some point two once the Dirt Wizards start rolling, but both using the same tire bead design.
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    Mmmmmm......Dirt Wizards. I dream about them nightly.
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    If your going to build a wheel with the RH rim do you take into account the offset spoke holes to calculate spoke length?

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    as for the wheel build, i put some info in a blog post about my erd measurements....if that helps?
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    I was thinking the spokes from the right flange would go to the holes on the right side of the rim and left to the left. How come you used only the left side holes?

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    i built the wheels to make the spokes as equally tensioned side:side as possible....it makes them stronger, i think. the only downside is that the rims are offset built like this, but they seem to cope fine, and i figured if the 60 odd, 80 odd and 100mm rims work built offset, these should be fine.

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    I'm building up my Krampus in the next few weeks/months and made an excel sheet with wheights and pricesof all parts. I cannot believe that the stock Krampus is about 30 lbs/13,5 kg because of the cheap an heavy parts Surly uses.

    When I calculate weight with Velocity Dually rims with light rimtape (-150 g), Schwalbe SV19 inner tubes (- 360 g) and Ritchey WCS parts (about - 200 g) and some other little improvements I saved about 800 g and still have about 13,3 kg.

    The stock surly must have about 14 kg/31 pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerBergschreck View Post
    I'm building up my Krampus in the next few weeks/months and made an excel sheet with wheights and pricesof all parts. I cannot believe that the stock Krampus is about 30 lbs/13,5 kg because of the cheap an heavy parts Surly uses.

    When I calculate weight with Velocity Dually rims with light rimtape (-150 g), Schwalbe SV19 inner tubes (- 360 g) and Ritchey WCS parts (about - 200 g) and some other little improvements I saved about 800 g and still have about 13,3 kg.

    The stock surly must have about 14 kg/31 pounds.
    IMHO you are buying the wrong bike if you are worried about a pound one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    i built the wheels to make the spokes as equally tensioned side:side as possible....it makes them stronger, i think. the only downside is that the rims are offset built like this, but they seem to cope fine, and i figured if the 60 odd, 80 odd and 100mm rims work built offset, these should be fine.
    with uneven flange spacing, there's a trade-off between a stronger wheel and a centered wheel. With a krampus there's not much room for an uncentered wheel, so it's hard to see how you would deviate much from the conventional centered uneven spoke tension build. If you really want stronger and horizontally stiffer rims, you can build the wheel cross-laced. It's worked great for me, but people remain deeply skeptical of it. e.g., Anybody ever "Cross" their spokes to the other side of the rim

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    actually, on re reading what i posted, i might be misleading...the rim is centred, not offset, but building with the spokes laced to one side only means you can mitigate for the difference in flange spacing and get left to right as close as damnit spoke tension. My feeling was that this was more important for this wheel than lacing left to left side and right to right side as the surly rims have already proven generally robust when laced all to one side: although the RH is a bigger diameter, i'm sure it will be solid in the long run....i cant remember the exact numbers, but it ends up something like 100% to 90% ish left and right front and rear....pretty good! particularly when using smallish flanged shimano hubs...which i did originally....though the rear xt exploded and was replaced by a hope. if id had my druthers, this bike would have had a shorter rear end, lower bb, 83mm bb shell, maybe, and a 150mm rear end....but making it like this was not surly's aim, and i respect that.

    as for cross lacing, well, im sceptical....but im glad its holding up for you.
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    I've done most of my Krampus riding with a camping load and the offset laced Rabbit Hole rims have held up fine. I don't expect any issues even in rocky terrain. I'm not a finesse rider, but I am not a total barbarian either.

    Years of pounding on an offset fatbike have given me lots of faith in offset laced rims.
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    Surly Krampus

    Been awhile since I've posted. Still love this bike. Had a mishap this morning - for whatever reason the brake caliper bracket bolt backed out on my rear caliper. No rear brake all the way down the hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gouda Cheez View Post
    Been awhile since I've posted. Still love this bike. Had a mishap this morning - for whatever reason the brake caliper bracket bolt backed out on my rear caliper. No rear brake all the way down the hill.
    That happened to me on my Krampus, except it was the front brake. New XT's. Never found the bolt, have a cotter pin in there now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hirschmj View Post
    That happened to me on my Krampus, except it was the front brake. New XT's. Never found the bolt, have a cotter pin in there now.
    My LBS failed to reattach my front brake caliper properly and I failed to verify they did it. Rode a 2 day tour with a barely-there front brake. Happily I didn't die! Luckily for me it was a non-techy ride and I could just let the beast run on the downhills.
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    New Lefty Fork

    I made some changes to the front end since the last pics I posted:









    I'm using a 2010(?) Lefty Speed Carbon DLR set to 80mm of travel and a Project 321 tapered steerer tube adapter. Some things I learned along the way:

    • If you're using an external cup headset, you need the tapered steerer tube adapter. If you try and use the straight one you can't hammer the crown race in place and then insert the tube, it doesn't fit.
    • If you're using an internal headset, you need the straight steerer tube adapter, or it won't fit. I'm using external to try and get a little more stack height.
    • The wheel rubs when you compress the fork if you build it centered with the Rabbit Hole/Knard combo.. You need at least 5mm of offset to get it to run acceptably, and I've probably added another few mm's after the initial test ride. Even then, I can get it to rub if I sprint out of the saddle, but it doesn't rub during normal riding.


    I don't think I notice the small amount of offset to the front wheel. In theory it should make it easier to turn one way and harder to turn the other, but so far so good. The front end is steeper than stock with only 80mm of travel, I think the Krampus is designed for 100mm, but so far that's the only con, and it's more than made up for by the fact that the front end has rebound and dampening and stuff. Even with 3" tires, it never felt like I had even a little suspension up front, but now that I have real suspension, the rear feels like it's got an inch or two back there.

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    And finally, set up with P clamps and growler cages for a bicycle pub crawl that's been in the works for a while. Yes, the suspension is fully functional like this, and yes, the handling is affected SIGNIFICANTLY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hirschmj View Post
    That happened to me on my Krampus, except it was the front brake. New XT's. Never found the bolt, have a cotter pin in there now.
    Bought an $8 hardware kit from my LBS and I'm good to go. Now I know to check these bolts before every ride... don't want that happening again.

    Added some Chunky grips too... Hope these are better than the foam Crank Brothers grips...

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    Are those beer growlers?

    If so, I approve!

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    A week with no Krampus posts? How sad! Time for some gratuitous Krampus-porn....



    If you have any Krampi in action pics post 'em!

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    Uhhhh. Yeah. With your pics up, there's just no reason to post my lame trails and scenery. :-(
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    Somewhere on Minnewanka Lakeside...

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    Surly Krampus

    IMO us Krampus owners need to chat it up more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gouda Cheez View Post
    IMO us Krampus owners need to chat it up more.
    +1 - soon we'll be knee deep in ECRs and we won't be so special!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    If you have any Krampi in action pics post 'em!
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    Just realized that all of my pictures are uploaded to my computer.

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    I need to pull the DT bottle cage and stem bottle cage off my Krampus. It's winter in the PNW so no need to carry a ton of water and I can throw a cage into the frame for short rides if I am not wearing a hydration pack.

    If I had some $$$ burning a hole in my pocket I'd get a dropper post for the Krampus. Sadly I don't so she'll stay old skool.

    I've already de-racked the beast. Hopefully I won't need to carry panniers on tour again anytime soon. Soft seat/frame/bar bags are a 100 times better.
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    I would love a dropper, just not sure how much I would use it. Seems like one of those things that would be nice to have but not necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gouda Cheez View Post
    I would love a dropper, just not sure how much I would use it. Seems like one of those things that would be nice to have but not necessary.
    On my MTB with a dropper I use it 100 times a ride easily. One of the best investments I made.
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    vikb, what tubes are you running? i saw it earlier in the thread somewhere but cannot find now

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    On my MTB with a dropper I use it 100 times a ride easily. One of the best investments I made.
    Seriously? How far do you ride?

    It might be one of those things where I think I wouldn't use it but then I would end up using it non stop on every ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gouda Cheez View Post
    Seriously? How far do you ride?

    It might be one of those things where I think I wouldn't use it but then I would end up using it non stop on every ride.
    It's not a matter of how far, but how long and how technical. My rides are typically 3hrs. I have no front shifter and I use the dropper post control on that side with my free hand. Once you have control of your saddle height any time you want with zero hassle you'll use it all the time. At least that's the experience I have had and everyone I ride with and talk to.

    5yrs ago I convinced a buddy to buy a then fairly new dropper post for $400 he was deeply skeptical. Our first ride with them was slickrock trail in Moab. At the end he mentioned that not only did he love it, but he used it non-stop.

    I've yet to meet anyone who didn't find them useful. In the past they used to blow up fairly regularly, but things have become more refined and more reliable. Of the two posts I own I've had to send the first away for service once. The second is 3yrs old and still going strong with no maintenance - although I am long overdue and should get on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danridesbikes View Post
    vikb, what tubes are you running? i saw it earlier in the thread somewhere but cannot find now

    cheers
    Nothing special just normal 29er tubes. Whatever I can grab off the shelves at my LBS. Besides some pinch flat issues at the start when I was getting my setup dialled I've only had one legit flat this year with lots of rocky riding.
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    Noob alert: I didn't know we could run 'regular' 29er tubes. Thought we had to run something special. Learn something every time I visit this site.

    Thanks for your input on the Dropper too.

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    So I've ridden my KRAMPUS nonstop since June. Whats it going to feel like getting back on my 26" hardtail?
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    Not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drummerdavid View Post
    Whats it going to feel like getting back on my 26" hardtail?
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    Very small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eMcK View Post
    This fork should be available soon.

    Attachment 841812

    RSD bikes had it on a bike and Interbike.
    This other thread says a 100mm Knard loving fork is coming shortly for ~$500.
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    Surly Krampus

    Well that would be icing on the cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gouda Cheez View Post
    Not good.
    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Very small.
    its a great old bike, a 94(?) Litespeed Ocoee. But kind of old school.

    Glad I waited around so long for a new one though.

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    tubes...ive had good luck with the maxxis freeride 26" tubes and the old wtb 26" 'dh' tubes (there is no way on earth they were dh tubes....but they do fill a 29x3 nicely)

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    I'm waiting on my second pair of tires. I had the 27tpi the first time around and they're nearly totally bald after 8 months of riding. Fast wear for expensive tires, unfortunately. I'm hoping the 120 tpi tire has harder rubber, but not holding my breath. The 27tpi tires burped and I had to run tubes. Some have reported that 120 holds up fine for tubeless, but I ride really hard, so I wouldn't be surprised if I can burp those too. If tubeless works, I'll be saving about a pound per tire, which should be very noticeable. I have a baby coming any day now, so as my fitness temporarily (hopefully) declines, the lighter wheels will help compensate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    I'm hoping the 120 tpi tire has harder rubber, but not holding my breath.
    My 120tpi Knards seem pretty soft. I've started tearing Knobs on them - although they have seen some very rocky trails. I wouldn't expect better durability from the higher tpi versions.

    That doesn't bother me too much as I typically reach for the softer compound tires when I can. I'd rather have traction than long service life.

    So far the Knards are doing okay although I'd say they are on the lower end of what I would call acceptable to me.

    I'm cutting them and Surly some slack because I would rather be here on the wild frontier of chubby 29+ tires with a delicate tire like the Knard and a fun bike like the Krampus than not be here and have robust tires on my skinny 29er.

    I'm not sure what will happen down the road. If you look at the fatbike world that's a quite few product cycles ahead of 29+ they are still struggling with tires. Either they are robust and terribly heavy or reasonably light and delicate. And pretty much all the fatbike tire options are expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    I'm waiting on my second pair of tires. I had the 27tpi the first time around and they're nearly totally bald after 8 months of riding. Fast wear for expensive tires, unfortunately. I'm hoping the 120 tpi tire has harder rubber, but not holding my breath. The 27tpi tires burped and I had to run tubes. Some have reported that 120 holds up fine for tubeless, but I ride really hard, so I wouldn't be surprised if I can burp those too. If tubeless works, I'll be saving about a pound per tire, which should be very noticeable. I have a baby coming any day now, so as my fitness temporarily (hopefully) declines, the lighter wheels will help compensate!
    How many miles of riding is on your Knards? Any pictures of the baldness for reference? You're always mentioning how hard you ride, I'm curious to see how yours are holding up and what they look like.

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