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    Quote Originally Posted by clydeone View Post
    Nope this is actually a boost 29 fork - I would assume it is the same lowers as the 27.5 + - the clearance on the sides is great and on top is almost nothing - I am running a gravity Vidar on the front tubeless on a rabbit hole


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    How do you like that tire up front? Compared to the Gnard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastchance View Post
    How do you like that tire up front? Compared to the Gnard?
    I've been running the Vidar up front for what must be 18 months now and I love it to bits. Much better grip than the Knard, night and day. Better than the Trax Fatty by a significant margin. I've only tried the Chronicle in the rear, but it's a great tire as well, for twice the price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hirschmj View Post
    I've been running the Vidar up front for what must be 18 months now and I love it to bits. Much better grip than the Knard, night and day. Better than the Trax Fatty by a significant margin. I've only tried the Chronicle in the rear, but it's a great tire as well, for twice the price.
    Good to know. I'm not that guy who goes for $$$$ tires because they're light or whatever, I wreck tires often but it's part of being a burly dude in Colorado I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastchance View Post
    Good to know. I'm not that guy who goes for $$$$ tires because they're light or whatever, I wreck tires often but it's part of being a burly dude in Colorado I guess.
    The vidar's work beautifully in all conditions here in Oregon. I run Vidar front and Knard rear love the combo


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    I've been riding the Krampus with Fox fork all week and cannot believe the difference in speed, handling, and increase in fun. For the type of riding I do it was awfully stupid of me to not have gotten a squishy fork earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastchance View Post
    I've been riding the Krampus with Fox fork all week and cannot believe the difference in speed, handling, and increase in fun. For the type of riding I do it was awfully stupid of me to not have gotten a squishy fork earlier.
    +1 on that. The Fox 34 27.5+ fork that fits 29+ has been great on my Krampus. I have about 600 miles on it this year, and it's been performing great, although there were places in Moab I wished for dual squish.

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    Does a non-boost/non+ fox 34 29er fork have the clearance to run 29+ ?


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    50mm Rabbit hole with Surly Ultra hub wrapped in a Knard (all factory) with a 2016 Fox Float 32 Performance 10mm 9qr (take-off fork, new) works great. 16psi on the tire, running ghetto tubeless.

    Like I had mentioned before this is probably the least expensive way to get some squish up front. I've ridden 4 days on this setup, one of which was super muddy and the issues I experienced with the fork mucking up weren't any worse as with the factory fork.

    Took a bit of trial and error with where to grind the arch but it's sorted now and probably has 100 miles on it. One thing I did do before painting the area I took down was mark up the raw metal inside of the arch with a Sharpie to see where the tire was making contact under any of the 3 fork squish settings. Also, I used a tungsten-carbide bit that eats the aluminum like it's nothing, not necessarily worth $30 (I work in construction so I had one) but an insane improvement over using a Dremel.

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    ^ Great info!

    I wish at my size I could get away with a cheap fork! My buddy has that 2016 boost fox fork and that thing is just massive regarding clearance. Fox wasn't messing around on that one!

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    installed a couple new parts and did a ride today. review of parts...

    Tmars dropper post: pretty solid. install was very strait forward, i ordered cable guides because it didn't come with any. it works great, 3 position, no adjustment necessary out of the box. I ordered the 400mm version and this thing is LONG!! i inserted the entire thing into the seat tube, i was worried i wasn't going to be able to get the saddle low enough at full extension but it's just right. if i was doing it again i would order a 375mm if it was available. (35" inseam on a 21" XL frame) doesn't seem outrageously heavy given the price.

    Origin8 cable guides: the cables just snap in the guides, i didn't look at the pics close enough before i bought them, they are not very tight so i added electrical tape to keep them in place for now. I'll come up with a better solution eventually.

    Sunrace 11-40t cassette: pretty good for the money. I was torn between a range extending cog and a complete Sunrace cassette. they're about the same price, the cassette was a little cheaper. the largest 6 cogs are grouped into 2 carriers and will not dig into a cassette. the weight was reasonable 383 i think, stock cassette was 355, so not bad. had to turn the limit screw way in (SLX RD) but worked fine. best part is now i can actually make a few of these steep climbs i have here.

    the bike continues perform flawlessly. the only mod i have left if the lefty fork, but i have to save up some coin so i can buy the clamp, upgrade to PBR, and re-build the wheel.

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    Those cheap dropper posts look like shite, no offense. My Krampus came with that same one and I told the dude to put on the stock boring one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastchance View Post
    Those cheap dropper posts look like shite, no offense. My Krampus came with that same one and I told the dude to put on the stock boring one.
    guess it's a good thing i wasn't seeking your approval on visual appearance.
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    "Fully rigid" isn't a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    guess it's a good thing i wasn't seeking your approval on visual appearance.
    There goes my reputation points.

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    Hi

    I am wondering if there are some rigid forks with 15x100 through axle for the Surly Krampus. Don't ask why , I just want that .

    And if I will once purchase a Krampus, then it has to be the MDS version with which I can run 12x142 in the back.

    Hope you have some advise. I would prefer steel forks, with possibilities to mount a front rack and some fenders...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubberduckxi View Post
    Hi

    I am wondering if there are some rigid forks with 15x100 through axle for the Surly Krampus. Don't ask why , I just want that .

    And if I will once purchase a Krampus, then it has to be the MDS version with which I can run 12x142 in the back.

    Hope you have some advise. I would prefer steel forks, with possibilities to mount a front rack and some fenders...
    Yes, but you'll have to build up a new wheel with a different hub to accommodate 15mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubberduckxi View Post
    Hi

    I am wondering if there are some rigid forks with 15x100 through axle for the Surly Krampus. Don't ask why , I just want that .

    And if I will once purchase a Krampus, then it has to be the MDS version with which I can run 12x142 in the back.

    Hope you have some advise. I would prefer steel forks, with possibilities to mount a front rack and some fenders...
    The Salsa Cromoto Grande is available with a through-axle, but it's a 29er, not a 29+. Its axle-to-crown is 468mm, the Krampus fork is 483mm. The Ice Cream Truck fork is the same length as the Krampus fork and has a through axle, but is obviously a fat bike fork, so....

    The Salsa Firestarter carbon fork is TA and the right length, but it's carbon.

    Also, are there any MDS Krampus left? They seem to be in short supply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    Also, are there any MDS Krampus left? They seem to be in short supply.

    A bunch of the small size but that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubberduckxi View Post
    Hi

    I am wondering if there are some rigid forks with 15x100 through axle for the Surly Krampus. Don't ask why , I just want that .
    If we label Krampi like this:

    MK1 = green
    MK2 = black MDS
    MK3 = Fall 2016?

    The MK3 Krampus fork is going to be thru-axle. If you can wait for it.

    A number of frame builders will build you a custom steel fork to meet your needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    If we label Krampi like this:

    MK1 = green
    MK2 = black MDS
    MK3 = Fall 2016?

    The MK3 Krampus fork is going to be thru-axle. If you can wait for it.

    A number of frame builders will build you a custom steel fork to meet your needs.
    Interesting... what other changes will we see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbiker View Post
    Interesting... what other changes will we see?
    That requires some guessing. The only thing that has been confirmed is the through axle fork.
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    The intergalactic shops have had the info since March 15th or April 1st or sometime around then, before I bought mine my dudes were telling me they were getting the DL on the new Krampus and that all stock was being depleted of the older model(s). I had a hard time finding even a L frameset here in CO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    If we label Krampi like this:

    MK1 = green
    MK2 = black MDS
    MK3 = Fall 2016?

    The MK3 Krampus fork is going to be thru-axle. If you can wait for it.

    A number of frame builders will build you a custom steel fork to meet your needs.
    Wonder if it will be boost 110 spacing.......?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lastchance View Post
    The intergalactic shops have had the info since March 15th or April 1st or sometime around then, before I bought mine my dudes were telling me they were getting the DL on the new Krampus and that all stock was being depleted of the older model(s). I had a hard time finding even a L frameset here in CO.
    Yeah. Got mine from an Intergalactic dealer here in town who was saying all of that back in Feb. That is why I got the deal I did on mine. I am sort of glad I got an "MK1" when I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sXeXBMXer View Post
    Yeah. Got mine from an Intergalactic dealer here in town who was saying all of that back in Feb. That is why I got the deal I did on mine. I am sort of glad I got an "MK1" when I did.
    That Bass Boat green is pretty sweet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    That Bass Boat green is pretty sweet.
    I like it as well, funny looks on the trail pumping around on that thing all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Wonder if it will be boost 110 spacing.......?
    I emailed Surly about the changes. They didn’t say much but they did reply "no boost."
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    Does a non-boost/non+ fox 34 29er fork have the clearance to run 29+ ?


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    There is a whole thread on which suspension forks work with Krampus out there somewhere. I think it was in the 29er forum (from back before there was a + forum).

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    Surly Krampus

    I hope they do some cool stuff with the new model... Though I love it just the way it is, I suppose if I was nitpicking a tad shorter top tube would fit me better. If I had to only keep one bike forever onwards it would be no question the beastly green Krampus. I happily ride it in ALL places mtb, bike packing, commuting it's so bloody fun.

    My interest in the bleeding edge of mtb has taken a serious nose dive since I got this thing and it's been a while now...


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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    I hope they do some cool stuff with the new model... Though I love it just the way it is, I suppose if I was nitpicking a tad shorter top tube would fit me better. If I had to only keep one bike forever onwards it would be no question the beastly green Krampus. I happily ride it in ALL places mtb, bike packing, commuting it's so bloody fun.

    My interest in the bleeding edge of mtb has taken a serious nose dive since I got this thing and it's been a while now...


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    hear, hear. I specifically bought my Krampus to be the last bike I ever need: trails, jump track, commuting, bike packing...in the vast sea of bikes, it was the only one that had all I wanted. the "vibe" of the company was just icing on the cake
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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    I hope they do some cool stuff with the new model... Though I love it just the way it is, I suppose if I was nitpicking a tad shorter top tube would fit me better. If I had to only keep one bike forever onwards it would be no question the beastly green Krampus. I happily ride it in ALL places mtb, bike packing, commuting it's so bloody fun.

    My interest in the bleeding edge of mtb has taken a serious nose dive since I got this thing and it's been a while now...


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    I'm also anxious to see the new Krampus, but only out of curiosity. My OG bass boat green Krampus is my favorite bike that I own, as well as the funnest bike I have ever ridden. It turns heads every time I ride it and other riders what to talk about it constantly. It handles the rocky trails that I ride on my 6" travel FS bike without a wimper. I love this surly
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    I really hope the Krampus adopts the frame design elements of the Wednesday, no seat brace, hybrid dropouts, through axle fork, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdxfixed View Post
    I really hope the Krampus adopts the frame design elements of the Wednesday, no seat brace, hybrid dropouts, through axle fork, etc.
    I don't like the rear dropouts on the Wednesday, but I agree with all the other changes. I'd also like to see a Krampus Ops that comes stock with a decent 29+ suspension fork. Oh, and dirt wizards stock. Keep it under $2k, and I'll buy one.

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    I'm thinking about getting a White Bros./MRP carbon rigid fork for my Krampus, but can't decide if I should get QR or 15mm thru.

    A little info......I'm running my Krampus SS with the Rabbit Hole/Knards right now. I also have another set of wheels (Velocity) that I plan to mount my Dirt Wizards on for singletrack....and keep the Knards (and appropiate SS gearing) for an occasional rail trail ride with the wife. I am going to have to change the hub in the front Velocity rim anyway (currently boost, from another build), so I'm not sure if I should put a QR in it or 15mm thru. I suppose the simplest option is to get the QR MRP fork and do the same with Velocity rim, but I wasn't sure if I would regret not going thru axle.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcl523 View Post
    I'm thinking about getting a White Bros./MRP carbon rigid fork for my Krampus, but can't decide if I should get QR or 15mm thru.
    If you spending money for a new fork and a new hub anyways I'd get the thru-axle version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    If you spending money for a new fork and a new hub anyways I'd get the thru-axle version.
    Thanks for your input!!

    That's what I first thought too. But the only thing holding me back is that when I want to switch to the Rabbit Holes to ride rail trails/bike path with the wife, I'll have to swap forks as well. Not a huge deal....as it will only be 6-8 times per year. I just wasn't sure if the benefit of a thru-axle would outweigh the "hassle" of changing forks.

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    Depending how often you really end up using the 2nd wheelset it might be worth buying 2 new hubs and being done with it. But you can always decide that later.
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    True. Not sure why I didn't think of that.......Lol! Besides, buying a front hub doesn't "sting" a whole lot anyway.

    Thanks again!!

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    I've put a Works Components -2 degree headset in on mine with 100mm Floats. The head angle is now at 66.4 degrees. Its an absolute monster truck with the Dirt Wizards. So much fun and scary fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fartymarty View Post
    I've put a Works Components -2 degree headset in on mine with 100mm Floats. The head angle is now at 66.4 degrees. Its an absolute monster truck with the Dirt Wizards. So much fun and scary fast.
    Well crap, now I need a new headset.

    Did it make that much of a difference? Or did you make multiple changes at once?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hirschmj View Post
    Well crap, now I need a new headset.

    Did it make that much of a difference? Or did you make multiple changes at once?
    I only changed the headset. I changed the tyres about 6 weeks ago now. The wheelbase is now at 1170mm so is getting up to a decent length. It is pretty stable at speed and corners pretty well. It wanders a little more on tech climbs but im not overly bothered as I would rather have a bike that decends.

    The only thing to watch is stack height. I went from a zero stack Chris King with 4 spacers under the stem to the Works Components headset with no spacers under the stem and the steerer is about 5mm under the top of the stem.

    The only thing I may add is a 120mm fork for a bit more squish up front. This will drop the head angle another degree or so which would put it at 65.4 which is getting slack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fartymarty View Post
    The only thing I may add is a 120mm fork for a bit more squish up front. This will drop the head angle another degree or so which would put it at 65.4 which is getting slack.
    Thanks for the info! I've got a Fox 34 set at 130mm on mine and it's pretty much the greatest thing ever. Turns a great bike into a trail-murdering monster truck. Super fun.
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    What tyres are you running? Im loving the Dirt Wizards. My mate has a 160mm 26er and gets jealous of how quick the Krampus is through singletrack

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    Quote Originally Posted by fartymarty View Post
    What tyres are you running? Im loving the Dirt Wizards. My mate has a 160mm 26er and gets jealous of how quick the Krampus is through singletrack
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    Ive uploaded a few pictures of my Krampus with both Dirt Wizards and 2.4 Onza Ibex. Both are great and have advantages and disadvantages.
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    Seeking to change my rigid fork on the Krampus to a suspension fork. Too many rough rides lately making me think I want to explore the idea.

    Hoping to get some recommendations on forks that will fit size 3.0 tires. I'm wondering if a remote lockout would give my the experience I've enjoyed hammering it out of the saddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmalling View Post
    Seeking to change my rigid fork on the Krampus to a suspension fork. Too many rough rides lately making me think I want to explore the idea.

    Hoping to get some recommendations on forks that will fit size 3.0 tires. I'm wondering if a remote lockout would give my the experience I've enjoyed hammering it out of the saddle.
    Look up the Fox 34 27.5+ boost version. Fits a 29+ 3.0 knard quite well. Fits lost more if you search the board for what other people have stuffed in it.

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    The Krampus up at 12,000 ft last weekend.
    (Its rides like this with 6,000+ feet of climbing why I want the small gear.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by drummerdavid View Post
    The Krampus up at 12,000 ft last weekend.
    (Its rides like this with 6,000+ feet of climbing why I want the small gear.)

    Crested Butte area?


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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    Crested Butte area?...
    Between Durango and Silverton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drummerdavid View Post
    Between Durango and Silverton.
    Very nice!


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    Quote Originally Posted by rmalling View Post
    Seeking to change my rigid fork on the Krampus to a suspension fork. Too many rough rides lately making me think I want to explore the idea.

    Hoping to get some recommendations on forks that will fit size 3.0 tires. I'm wondering if a remote lockout would give my the experience I've enjoyed hammering it out of the saddle.
    I'm running an MRP stage with Dirt Wizards on WTB Scrapers.

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    This might sound ridiculous, but I've found the easiest way to re-size a picture is to text it to myself. I then save it from there, and use it here.

    You ride with a very short seat post!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch406 View Post
    This might sound ridiculous, but I've found the easiest way to re-size a picture is to text it to myself. I then save it from there, and use it here.

    You ride with a very short seat post!?

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    Cool. I might try that.

    The seat post is directly influenced by my BMX riding I guess. I don't spend much time on it....I tend to stand and mash going up...and stand and absorb shock going down...I have tried it higher in the past, but it makes me feel all weird and "squished" in the cockpit. I feel less "efficient"
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    Per Surly, new Krampus updates are slated for Sept Dirt Demo.
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    Anyone ride a small Krampus? And if so, did you try a medium?

    Really thinking about possibly switching the small for a medium, eventually, but I'm not sure. I'm 5'7" with a 33.3" inseam, long arms, and have too much seatpost showing. My Jones H loop bars do shorten the reach, and I use a 80 mm 30 degree stem to bring them up and in. I think the ett is 585 on the small, and 609 on the medium. That is only an inch difference. The bike is comfortable and rides well, but it has more spacers than it should, too. I use a zero offset seatpost, so that does bring me forward a lot.

    Anyone have an opinion?
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    Been collecting parts to build the Krampus out for longer trips off the beaten path. Very very happy with the Whisky on the front, really smooths out the daily commute.Surly Krampus-krampus_small.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    Anyone ride a small Krampus? And if so, did you try a medium?

    Really thinking about possibly switching the small for a medium, eventually, but I'm not sure. I'm 5'7" with a 33.3" inseam, long arms, and have too much seatpost showing. My Jones H loop bars do shorten the reach, and I use a 80 mm 30 degree stem to bring them up and in. I think the ett is 585 on the small, and 609 on the medium. That is only an inch difference. The bike is comfortable and rides well, but it has more spacers than it should, too. I use a zero offset seatpost, so that does bring me forward a lot.

    Anyone have an opinion?
    Do it! I'm the same height with a shorter inseam and run a 50mm stem (20mm spacer) either with Jones Bend 710 or Stooge Moto 800, love it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    Anyone ride a small Krampus? And if so, did you try a medium?

    Really thinking about possibly switching the small for a medium, eventually, but I'm not sure. I'm 5'7" with a 33.3" inseam, long arms, and have too much seatpost showing. My Jones H loop bars do shorten the reach, and I use a 80 mm 30 degree stem to bring them up and in. I think the ett is 585 on the small, and 609 on the medium. That is only an inch difference. The bike is comfortable and rides well, but it has more spacers than it should, too. I use a zero offset seatpost, so that does bring me forward a lot.

    Anyone have an opinion?
    Im on a medium. 5'8. Not sure on cycling inseam...
    Small felt small to me.
    I'm running loops with the stock stem

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    Do it! I'm the same height with a shorter inseam and run a 50mm stem (20mm spacer) either with Jones Bend 710 or Stooge Moto 800, love it.


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    Maybe I should just get a Jones in a couple of years. What size Jones? I can't find a geometry chart on their site. (That's a Jones Bend on a Krampus? Or a Jones bike?).
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    The Jones Hbar bend.


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    What type of rack did you mount? I'm looking for options for my Krampus, front and rear racks.

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    Im 6'1" and am in a large with a 35mm stem. It fits fairly well but could have gone with an XL.

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    Just popped in to say, I bought a Krampus a few weeks back, and I can confidently say its the most "capeable" mountain bike I've ever had. My bike history has included going back to about 1992, Trek 6000, GT Avalanche, Klein Attitude, Specialized Enduro, Gary Fisher X caliber, Redline Monocog, 2016 model topfuel 8. It isn't as heavy as you think after you take care of the rotating weight. I went Ghetto tubeless with gorilla tape and the serfas sealant. It scrawls up rooty terrain, and rolls over rocky terrain like no other bike i've ever had. Being rigid it still climbs pretty well. What it loses in quick, punchy accelerations it gives you back in roll coming out of corners with those big tires. Riding in Durango last week it felt like somebody giving you a push after you let the brakes off in a downhill off camber turn. No boost, no proprietary stuff, simple, fun, reliable. Its not a world cup racer, but it will get you through sand. Its not a fat bike, but it is fast enough on trails and roads to not get bored. I can't wait to try it with some 29x2's for some more speed. Surly is so overlooked, I've owned 3 of their bikes, and liked them all I still own a crosscheck as my "roadgrinder" They really do make bikes for the masses.

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    Get some bouncy forks on the front and the Krampus will get even better.

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    I wonder if i may request some advice please.

    I am about to order a new bike and am torn between the Karate Monkey and Krampus. My riding will be about 70% city and 30% trail. The Krampus is the bike I prefer but I wonder how draggy 3" tyres will be around the town and if I will get fed up with them. I don't really want to invest in a second skinny wheel set if I can help it (I assume Duallys for 3" tyres cannot run skinny 2.4 tyres?)

    Also due to the phasing out of the current Krampus I can only get a size XL Ops in black. I am a shade over 6ft2 so imagine this is the one to go for, but from photos I have seen the XL looks absolutely massive! Also, are the chainstays really that much longer on the Ops version so as to be detrimental to handling?

    Thanks for any advice.

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    If you need the large, either wait for the new bikes to be released, or find a large frame set on eBay. The XL Krampis is supposed to fit someone a lot taller than that, if their size recommendations are accurate.

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    Muirenn.... now I am really confused as the Surly website lists the following:

    5'11 to 6'3 - Large
    6'2 up - XL

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    Surly's
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    Are all over the place, fit wise. Do you have a bike now? Does it fit? What make and model is the bike? Is there a surly shop you can go to and be sized
    Properly so you can buy the right sized bike?

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    If i can see the geometry chart of your Ellsworth Specialist, i can compare it to Krampii geometries. But I'll need the bike's year, too. Companies change there bike's geometries from year to year.
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    Goodness that's an old profile I have! I now have a large Stanton Slackline, approx year 2012. It is too small for me.

    Unfortunately the Surly shop is on the other side of the country so a visit is not possible.

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    Is that the Stanton Slackline 853, 631, or Ti? 27.5 wheels?
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    It's 853 26" wheels Muirenn. Thanks.

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    I have wanted/bought/owned both bikes.....

    take this for what it's worth, I sold the KM after it collected dust for 6 months

    The KM was great! The Krampus IS WAAAAY BETTER FOR EVERYTHING!!!!

    If you think about the only advantage a KM would have would be running skinnier tires
    at higher pressures..... but the Krampus can do this too....

    fwiw, 29+ tires are still very fast on pavement, especially at higher pressures

    I have not once missed my KM...

    I have owned my Krampus for over a year now.... Still love it in every way!!!!
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    It looks like their website is showing sizes for only those that remain in-stock. It lists a 16.5 and an 18. Not in S, M, L, etc. I've tried google searches for older models, but this chart looks the same. It appears the Ti version has the same geometry as the 853. Not positive. My suggestion is to email them and ask for a geometry chart for your model, and figure out what size it actually is. Then post it here and I'll compare it to the Krampus geometry.

    https://www.stantonbikes.com/product/slackline-ti/

    Nice bike, btw!

    If you are on the 18", I believe you when you say it doesn't fit. I'm 5'7", and that would fit me. More or less. (But I need a larger bike due to having so much seat post showing on the one that is technically correct for my torso length).

    If none of that is going to get you a good answer, my suggestion is to go to as many shops as possible and test some similar geometry mountain bikes, and make note of make and model, then I can compare those geometries to the Krampus. Being in between size guidelines makes it hard to buy online. (I'm between a small and medium). I know a lot of brands list their size smalls as being appropriate for someone 5'3" to 5'9". Those are not even close, obviously. Take your time, and don't buy until you are confident on the size. (And if that slackline is an 18", I might be interested . That's a nice bike.

    Suggestion: call Jones Bikes and talk to the guy. Their basic steel diamond frameset isn't too expensive, and he will make sure you have the right size. But it would still help to know what size you are riding now.
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    Regarding sizing, The Krampus has a relatively long top tube... You could totally rock an XL and take advantage of a larger frame bag option and just use a shorter stem...

    I'm 6ft 1in and ride a size L, I use a medium length h-bar stem off a ghost mtb.
    I am considering a shorter stem to put me in a more ergonomic position
    or maybe even raising my bars up higher for longer days in the saddle...

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    you can run 2.4's on duallys
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    Here is a Slackline with 19.5" geometry listed:

    https://www.stantonbikes.com/product...-853-next-gen/
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    It depends on your body type at 6'2". I'm 5'11" with shorter inseam and long torso & arms. I had my large Krampus set up with a 75mm stem.

    If I were you, I'd lean toward the XL with a short stem, unless your all legs and short torso & arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Kirkwood View Post
    I am about to order a new bike and am torn between the Karate Monkey and Krampus. My riding will be about 70% city and 30% trail. The Krampus is the bike I prefer but I wonder how draggy 3" tyres will be around the town and if I will get fed up with them. I don't really want to invest in a second skinny wheel set if I can help it (I assume Duallys for 3" tyres cannot run skinny 2.4 tyres?)

    Also due to the phasing out of the current Krampus I can only get a size XL Ops in black. I am a shade over 6ft2 so imagine this is the one to go for, but from photos I have seen the XL looks absolutely massive! Also, are the chainstays really that much longer on the Ops version so as to be detrimental to handling?

    Thanks for any advice.
    based on your 70/30 ratio i would say the KM is a better choice. i'm curious though, how much time/miles are we talking on the pavement? the Krampus if great, but it's about as far as you can get from a road bike. pavement chews MTB tires faster than slicks, and geo wise your pretty much no better on either so i'd call that a wash. it comes down to how much time your going to spend on the road vs trails, and personal preference.

    obviously you are intentionally buying a MTB knowing your going to spend a significant amount of time on pavement, and saw the "two wheelsets" comments coming in advance. and you must realize there are going to be tradeoffs. I'm going to say it anyway, you sound like a good candidate for two wheelsets. you don't have to do it right away. regardless of which bike you choose, you'll form your own opinion on your setup once you ride it for a while.

    (FYI you can have good MTN wheels and just buy a cheap, reliable set of road wheels for ~$100-150, tires for $30-40, and a cassette for cheap. they will be way better than MTB wheels/tires for road and won't ruin your knobby tires. you don't need to break the bank for a commuter wheelset. it can be done for well under $200, something to think about.)

    your absolutely within the XL frame size. I'm 6'3" on a XL and when i ordered it I expected to have to put a shorter stem on. instead I'm thinking of putting a longer stem on so when i stand and climb the handlebars aren't so far underneath me, but in front instead. if I were you, I'd get the XL no question. the difference in chainstay length is completely inconsequential. a couple MM at best. you'll never know the difference.

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    The XL Krampis is supposed to fit someone a lot taller than that, if their size recommendations are accurate.
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    If you are 6'2" definitely get an XL. I am 6'1" and ride a large with a 35mm stem. I could have equally gone XL in terms of top tube as I wouldn't mind another inch in the top tube. The only issue with the XL is standover. It is a lot bigger than L.

    I'm running Blunt P35s which are good if you want to run smaller tyres. I am currently running 3" Dirt Wizards which are awesome on dirt but draggy on the road. I ride 90 dirt / 10 road so not an issue. I looked at Duallys but they're heavier and you may have issues with narrower tyres.

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    Sorry I was talking about a Krampus not a KM. PS the Krampus is an awesome bike.

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    Now the 2017 Karate Monkey is available as 27.5+... I think they will be available later this year. That makes it a little tougher to decide between the two if choosing! You can't go wrong with a Krampus, though. I have seen people run 29er wheels on them, but I don't know why. The stock Knards do pretty well on pavement, but maybe do wear faster than on dirt. I have 800 miles on my rear tire, probably 500 of that is pavement, riding to the dirt. There is definite wear, might be good for 1200 miles.

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    Interestingly the KM has a 69 degree head angle where as the Krampus is 69.5. Wheelbase is 1129 KM v 1138 K. Add some bouncy forks and angleset and these numbers change a bit (im now at 1170WB and 66.4 HA).

    I suppose the big advantage of the Krampus is you can run 3" tyres which you cant on the KM. I was running a set of Ibex 29 x 2.4" tyres last winter as the Knards are rubbish in mud (which we get a lot of in the UK) and the 2.4" tyres had acres of mud clearance. Also the Ibex are 900g cf 1000 for a Knard. I am now running 3" Dirt Wizards which are great but heavy (1250g) but I am not sure on the mud clearance once winter comes so may go back to Ibex for winter. Knards are great for general XC riding use but nowhere near as aggressive as a DW or the Ibex if you want to ride hard.

    At the end of the day it depends on what and where you ride. Either way the Krampus is a versatile beast.

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    Maxxis has just released a 29x3 Minion. I hear these are around 1000g which is fairly light. It will be interesting to see some reviews once they are released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fartymarty View Post
    Maxxis has just released a 29x3 Minion.
    where did you get that info? link?

    are they available now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    where did you get that info? link?

    are they available now?
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    ^ thanks. DHR please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoafInTX View Post
    Now the 2017 Karate Monkey is available as 27.5+... I think they will be available later this year. That makes it a little tougher to decide between the two if choosing! You can't go wrong with a Krampus, though. I have seen people run 29er wheels on them, but I don't know why. The stock Knards do pretty well on pavement, but maybe do wear faster than on dirt. I have 800 miles on my rear tire, probably 500 of that is pavement, riding to the dirt. There is definite wear, might be good for 1200 miles.
    Re 29er the answer is because you can . That's what makes the Krampus a very special bike. It can accommodate all kinds configurations and riding styles. MTB of course, bike packing yup, commuter you bet, single speed, geared, internal hub, squishy forks or rigid. It's freakin amazing! If I could only afford one bike it'd be this badass ride for sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Kirkwood View Post
    I wonder if i may request some advice please.

    I am about to order a new bike and am torn between the Karate Monkey and Krampus. My riding will be about 70% city and 30% trail. The Krampus is the bike I prefer but I wonder how draggy 3" tyres will be around the town and if I will get fed up with them. I don't really want to invest in a second skinny wheel set if I can help it (I assume Duallys for 3" tyres cannot run skinny 2.4 tyres?)

    Also due to the phasing out of the current Krampus I can only get a size XL Ops in black. I am a shade over 6ft2 so imagine this is the one to go for, but from photos I have seen the XL looks absolutely massive! Also, are the chainstays really that much longer on the Ops version so as to be detrimental to handling?

    Thanks for any advice.
    I picked up a brand new Dually wheelset of of ebay cheap...definitely take a look there. As far as road bike performance I was pleased with the krampus on a trip across Ohio, Cleveland to Cinci and back. The Schwalbe Super Moto/Dually combo were fast and pretty light. No regrets about doing the ride on the KrampusSurly Krampus-13754216_1253166541383605_146811042786735657_n.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by iforgotmename View Post
    I picked up a brand new Dually wheelset of of ebay cheap...definitely take a look there. As far as road bike performance I was pleased with the krampus on a trip across Ohio, Cleveland to Cinci and back. The Schwalbe Super Moto/Dually combo were fast and pretty light. No regrets about doing the ride on the KrampusClick image for larger version. 

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    What were the specs on that ride? I live in C-Bus and have always wanted to ride across the state? What routes did you take?
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    My Krampus was stolen out of my house in Tempe, AZ a few weeks ago. Please let me know if you see it around the interwebs or on the trails. Distinguishing features from a stock Krampus are: orange headset spacers, a Wolf Tooth 32t wide-narrow ring, no chain guide or guard, and SRAM Guide RSC hydraulic brakes.

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    I'm in Colorado but will keep an eye out for it, I've never seen one on the trail (I've the same colorway) and would most definitely recognize your ride. Good luck.

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    I have one of the aftermarket black Krampus forks with the extra bosses (Bikeman Surly Krampus 29" Fork 1-1/8" Threadless Black Boss Model with Mounts). I'm looking to order a lightweight lowrider rack for it.

    Does anyone know if the Tubus Duo Lowrider will work (tubus - Airy

    The Surly front rack weighs 1382 grams, the Duo just 485 grams - any other suggestions for a lighter rack that will fit?

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    ^ maybe ask in the bike-packing forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TooSteep View Post
    I have one of the aftermarket black Krampus forks with the extra bosses (Bikeman Surly Krampus 29" Fork 1-1/8" Threadless Black Boss Model with Mounts). I'm looking to order a lightweight lowrider rack for it.

    Does anyone know if the Tubus Duo Lowrider will work (tubus - Airy

    The Surly front rack weighs 1382 grams, the Duo just 485 grams - any other suggestions for a lighter rack that will fit?
    Looks like a Salsa rack, "should" work. I'm assuming the Krampus and ECR forks have similar boss locations relative to the axle (though the Krampus fork is taller).

    Surly Bikes with the other guys? racks | Blog | Surly Bikes

    So maybe also see if you can find someone who mounted the desired rack on an ECR.

    Tubus provides dimensions. Most importantly, check 143 mm dimension between eyelets against your fork. Also, the 32 mm dimension (though I am sure this can bend slightly like the salsa rack in the surly blog above)
    http://www.tubus.com/documents/1442217084_Duo_BM.pdf

    https://mrsqueakywheel.wordpress.com...ubus-lowrider/

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    Quote Originally Posted by renegade44 View Post
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    Tubus provides dimensions. Most importantly, check 143 mm dimension between eyelets against your fork. Also, the 32 mm dimension (though I am sure this can bend slightly like the salsa rack in the surly blog above)
    http://www.tubus.com/documents/1442217084_Duo_BM.pdf
    Thanks for that - I just measured the fork, and it is exactly 165mm between the center of the bosses, which is the required dimension for the Duo (143mm looks like the vertical distance). The fork is a little wider than 32mm, ubut it should have some give. Also looks like the Salsa Down Under racks would work as well.

    I also just found a reference on the ECR thread saying the Tubus Duo is a no go, but another, more recent post where the guy used spacers to clear the caliper, and it worked for him.

    Fitting bikepacking gear on my wife's small Krampus is proving to be something of a challenge. There is a bit under 7" clearance between saddle and tire - I'm also waiting to find out if the new Ortlieb Seat-Pack will clear.

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    I just build my krampus up w some drops, using BB7 S Road brakes. Any idea if the BB7 S Road can do 180mm rotors? It seems to fit fine upfront (with the adapter that came w the original BB7 S MTN brakes..) but there is some rubbing of the bolts/spacers (the flat/rounded washers)

    I have a 0 IS adapter coming so that I can adjust the BB7 S Road with the 160mm front rotor..


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