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    Sold!

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    No issues other than needing a longer strap to hold the rear wheel down.
    There is another option, let some air out of the tire. I used to use 3.0 tires on my DH rig back in the day, had to let some air out to get the strap over the tire. Just another idea, either one works.

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    The Krampus and the Ogre have a love child called the ECR.

    Surly Brings Back the Instigator with 26+, Adds ECR 29+ and Straggler Disc

    Breaking: New bikes from Surly, including a mini-fat? | Dirt Rag Magazine

    ECR:

    - loses 44mm HT
    - different geo
    - more braze-ons
    - Orge-sque dropouts
    - 2 x 10
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    Surly Krampus

    Me thinks the ECR has vikb's number to a T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.C View Post
    I was working out the parts to get to give a Krampus complete another ring and keep it as 'similar' as possible to existing parts and came up with this list:

    * Front derailleur adapter (Krampus supplied one or a Problem Solver)
    * Surly OD Crankset (73mm)
    * Shimano SLX FD-M676-D Front Derailleur
    * Shimano SLX SL-M670 left shifter

    The front rings of 26/39 (the 73mm OD Crankset come with as standard) with the stock cassette (11-36) on the back yields a gear ratio range of: 3.55 - 0.72, not super big but an improvement over the stock in both directions.

    I might be able to change the small ring to a 22t (58mm BCD), but i'm having trouble finding an OD crank anywhere that's not a complete crankset - would have to get the crankset and replace the ring..

    Does anyone have any opinion on this setup? Especially about the FD-M676-D I think its the right kind, ie dual pull/top pull. (Other than that it just might have been a better idea to just have built it up from the bare frame)
    Sorry I didnt post my ZEE-double hack job yet. Been super busy.
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    The ECR looks "vewy interesting" to quote Daffy Duck. That's a huge frame to make the 29+ wheels look so small but I'm looking forward to seeing more of this bike. Any colors or just "bodily function" brown? In any case, more bikepacking bikes in the world is a good thing.

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    Surly Krampus

    Quick question - size large frame weight?

    I have a friend considering building up a Krampus, and he just asked me how much my large frame weighs. Of course I was so anxious to build mine that I forgot to weigh the frame first!

    Thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by islander View Post
    Me thinks the ECR has vikb's number to a T.
    Actually I'm not particularly interested. I can mount dual racks and 6 water bottles to my Krampus plus I get the 44mm HT which is friendly with any fork that comes out not to mention I'm really happy with the Krampus' handling so I may not enjoy the way the ECR rides as much.

    I'm touring on my Krampus mostly with soft bags and I don't like or need fork mounted cargo/bottles so there isn't much benefit to the ECR.

    I've got no plans to change.
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    Just finished my bike with dt xrr470 carbon fork. Will post asap.

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    Surly Krampus

    Damn. Me gusta the Instigator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x3speed View Post
    Just finished my bike with dt xrr470 carbon fork. Will post asap.
    Please do that a good quality fork, be great to hear your opiion

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCSS View Post
    Quick question - size large frame weight?
    My large Krampus with bolts and collar was 5.75 pounds or 2600 grams.

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    Pics as promised

    Surly Krampus-tire-clearence-krampus.jpgSurly Krampus-krampus-side-view.jpgSurly Krampus-close-up-dt-fork.jpgSurly Krampus-cam00067.jpg

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    I like the look of that how many bucks state side?

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    Nice fork!
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    Well i work at a bike shop so i dont pay retail. I think the fork is like 550 or so retail. Bike is 1950 usd.

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    Lefty Krampus

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    Oops, sorry, forgot the text....

    Here is where my Krampus has morphed to now. Mine is a size small with XX1 drivetrain.
    I used a Project 321 steer tube adapter, and Cane Creek headset. The Lefty is the 90mm travel version. Rims are Schlick Northpaw, which I will try to set up tubeluss next. Total weight including pedals is 26.1 pounds.
    This thing is a blast, and super fast.

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    What exact p321 adaptors did you use? Did you have to limit the travel? Im very interested in a lefty set up. Cost?

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    I used the "Tapered fixed crown Lefty adapter" from Project 321. I was previously using a tapered carbon fork, so this made adapter made sense as it worked with my current headset.
    The regular 1-1/8" adapter will work if you are currently set up with a 44mmx 1-1/8 headset.

    I did not need to limit the travel. You must use the 90mm travel 29er Lefty. I let all of the air out of mine and compressed it to the bottom, and there is 3mm of clearance from the tire.

    Project 321 adapter-$95
    Lefty Carbon XLR-$1295 (there are cheaper options)

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    Thank you so much. Depending on availablility on rocksshox new fork, i may go the lefty route

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    I'm interested in front suspension for my Krampus. Lefty seems perhaps the best route, but I hate having to change my hub, and that I couldn't switch back and forth with the rigid fork. Building up a spare wheel would be too much $. Probably go with a Fox.

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    Fox float 29 sounds good, looking into that also

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    Float 29 fits already, rock shox has a fat bike fork in the works for this fall.

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    Not the Float 29 that I tried. Unless you are ok with the tire rubbing most of the time, it is not great. It was ok (but very, very close) just riding around the parking lot, but as soon as I hit the trail, and encountered wheel flex, the tire rubbed hard. I adjusted the spoke tension a little, to try to prevent this, but it did not go away. Not an option in my opinion.

    Does anyone else have a different experience that wish to share?

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    Really? Well that sucks. I guess its lefty or wait for the new rs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x3speed View Post
    Really? Well that sucks. I guess its lefty or wait for the new rs.
    read this thread.

    Krampus with Front Suspension!
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    Yes, I did read that previously,and was very excited, but also a little apprehensive due to the closeness shown in the photos. That is why I conducted my own test with a borrowed Fox 29 Float with 15mm axle, as I described here. I was using the 50mm Rabbit Hole rims when I tried the Fox. It was just too close.

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    Krampus: summer season old. Miles. Oh, its got some. A couple 30+ mile rides where by the end, I was cooked. You can certainly 'feel' the weight of the wheels, but they make up for that with so much damned traction, its not even funny. Do I like the bike? Hell yes I do. Its a hoot to ride, especially on more gravity oriented, rougher trails where the geometry shines. Or on flatish rolling trail where you can use the momentum of the wheels to good effect. It LOVES rocky, techy trails where I get to pick my way through, or simply blast over it. Its decidedly less cumbersom than you'd think it is.

    I've got it set up as a SS [34-19] for now, but putting a 10s cassette on there isn't out of the question. I'll be riding this at SSUSA for sure. Should be a good bike for the trails there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.C View Post
    I was working out the parts to get to give a Krampus complete another ring and keep it as 'similar' as possible to existing parts and came up with this list:

    * Front derailleur adapter (Krampus supplied one or a Problem Solver)
    * Surly OD Crankset (73mm)
    * Shimano SLX FD-M676-D Front Derailleur
    * Shimano SLX SL-M670 left shifter

    The front rings of 26/39 (the 73mm OD Crankset come with as standard) with the stock cassette (11-36) on the back yields a gear ratio range of: 3.55 - 0.72, not super big but an improvement over the stock in both directions.

    I might be able to change the small ring to a 22t (58mm BCD), but i'm having trouble finding an OD crank anywhere that's not a complete crankset - would have to get the crankset and replace the ring..

    Does anyone have any opinion on this setup? Especially about the FD-M676-D I think its the right kind, ie dual pull/top pull. (Other than that it just might have been a better idea to just have built it up from the bare frame)
    Finally, I made a thread about my Zee double conversion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgorrilla View Post
    My large Krampus with bolts and collar was 5.75 pounds or 2600 grams.
    Thanks very much!

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    Man, I love this damn bike. Love how much traction it has on the climbs! Only wish... front suspension. Maybe one day we will get lucky.

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    http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=203252

    Something around 40 miles today. It rained this morning so I skipped the trails and did mostly pavement. 5 hours including eating a picnic lunch at the park and taking a couple breaks to feed ducks and chat with people under a bridge hiding from the rain. Got back to my car to a flat tire which I got to change in said rain. Pretty good adventure all around, probably going to go on another one tomorrow.

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    looking forward to trying Dirt Wizards on it....

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    my homie keeps double flatting his krampus...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gouda Cheez View Post
    Man, I love this damn bike. Love how much traction it has on the climbs! Only wish... front suspension. Maybe one day we will get lucky.
    Cheez... Since I have moved to the White Bros. carbon fork I have noticed a few things. 1) The obvious, the front end is much lighter. I can easily pull the front off the ground and cruise right over rock gardens and heavily rooted sections. In fact, I can now take the tougher lines (i.e. big roots, rocks) and blaze across them. It's so easy to pull the front end up. 2) Carbon does take away a significant amount of vibration and has just enough give to leave you in control without knocking your arms off.
    True, it will not have nearly as much 'give' as a nice suspension fork. But it has made me a realize I don't need a front shock to make this bike perfect.
    Just something to consider as you wait for a suspension fork.

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    That's exactly what I needed to here. The first few rides I had were great, but this last one was just bone-jarring. Obviously the trail was a bit rockier than what I was previously riding, but still, I didn't expect it to be like that.

    Still love this bike though!

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    So i wieghed my xl with my thudbuster and carbon fork, 32.90 lbs. Witched in some giant 29x 1.9~2.3 tubes, now at 32.02 lbs

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    Raced around State College, Pennsylvania this last weekend on my SS Krampus. The built weight is 24 pounds 11 ounces for a large frame. Even after 100 miles and lots of rocky descents, I could still feel my hands which is a testament to the tires. The wheels were set up tubeless and I ran 18 psi rear and 15 psi front. My weight is around 210. That area is incredibly harsh on tires and tubes and I can't imagine getting through without flats had I been using tubes.

    I'm running the Whisky No 9 fork, which I found absolutely spectacular for lightening the front end, adding more vibration dampening and providing great steering precision. There was some mud and clearance was never an issue, the fork has room to spare.

    The Krampus seems very sensitive to cockpit length. When I first built it, I used take off parts from another bike and had a 120mm stem and non-setback post with a 600mm bar. I liked the way the bike rode, but couldn't get it to carve around corners and ended up breaking the back loose and/or going outside on curves. I ended up redoing the cockpit with a 90mm stem, setback post and 700mm bar and it made a big difference. Riding the same course back to back, I was able to sweep around the corners much more easily and noticed much less skidding from the rear tire.

    For you SS riders, my first build I was using 32x20 having never used anything larger than 32x18 on a 29er. That ratio seemed about right with a tire that is 1.5 inches taller than a 29er. I wasn't happy not having any room to go up since 20t was the largest cog I had, so I put an XX1 crankset with a 28t on it to get the smaller, stiffer BCD and have been using an 18t for most riding. I used a 19t for State College and other than looking like a trials set up, I was able to climb and still keep up with geared riders on most flats.

    Iím sold on the 29+ platform for how I like to ride, Iíd like a lighter frame for no other reason than lighter is better and I like steeper headtube angles, but probably not a lot, I just need to learn how to steer with a shorter stem.

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    What fork exactly is that? price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacons View Post
    Cheez... Since I have moved to the White Bros. carbon fork I have noticed a few things. 1) The obvious, the front end is much lighter. I can easily pull the front off the ground and cruise right over rock gardens and heavily rooted sections. In fact, I can now take the tougher lines (i.e. big roots, rocks) and blaze across them. It's so easy to pull the front end up. 2) Carbon does take away a significant amount of vibration and has just enough give to leave you in control without knocking your arms off.
    True, it will not have nearly as much 'give' as a nice suspension fork. But it has made me a realize I don't need a front shock to make this bike perfect.
    Just something to consider as you wait for a suspension fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveJfromtheSwitch View Post
    What fork exactly is that? price?

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    I was going to ask the same. I would love the specs. Based off the picture, it looks like a White Brothers Rock Solid Rigid... but not sure of exact specs. Based off a quick search, they make several options.

    Does the CF really help that much for dampening? I was riding this weekend and nearly got thrown off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gouda Cheez View Post
    Does the CF really help that much for dampening? I was riding this weekend and nearly got thrown off.
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    Surly Krampus

    Interesting. Assume that the Revelation would work for me since I very, very rarely see mud. Nice find!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    looking forward to trying Dirt Wizards on it....
    Has it been confirmed Dirt Wizards are coming out in 29+ too? I haven't seen anything concrete. Details? 2.75", 3" or other width?

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    Quote Originally Posted by quickKarl View Post
    I've been running one of these on my 'regular' bike for 3+ years on the TDR and the Grenzstein Trophy and an Alpencross... if it'll make a rigid bike feel as good as mine does, I can only imagine what it'd do for a Krampus. It's the best fork I've ever owned.

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    Surly Krampus

    Where can one go to learn more about forks and sizing and such? I'm a complete noob and would love to learn more.

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    ale50ale: are you getting any tire rub on the lefty? 2013 fork right? Looks great!

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