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    How much sealant should I be using? Is 4 oz enough?

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    LBS offered a bnib Krampus for $1200! I am really having a hard time saying no!


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    Quote Originally Posted by philoanna View Post
    I haven't been through this entire thread yet. This is probably discussed, but I am about 5'9.5" and I wear 29 length pants.
    I have an opportunity to test ride a small Krampus. It has 175mm crank arms and a set back set post.
    Am I too tall for a small?
    I'm 5'8" with 30ish pants inseam. Medium was perfect, thought it would have been too big, but it works.

    Only way to know is try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philoanna View Post
    I haven't been through this entire thread yet. This is probably discussed, but I am about 5'9.5" and I wear 29 length pants.
    I have an opportunity to test ride a small Krampus. It has 175mm crank arms and a set back set post.
    Am I too tall for a small?
    I'm 5'7" 33.5 inch cycling inseam. (So, 35 inch pant inseam. I'm female, btw, so different proportions from most Krampus riders since it's more a guy's bike). I have a small Surly Krampus. Should have gotten the medium, though the small works with a 100 cm, 17 degree stem angled up.

    The small Krampus actually comes with a 60 cm stem. Putting such a long stem on it, to me, means I should have gone up a size. But I built it from a frame set, and am more accustomed to road bike sizing.

    Besides, the small only has one set of water bottle bosses.

    Caveat. I apparently have short femurs, ride a zero-offset seat post on all my bikes, this brings my saddle about 4 cm forward. Which means I can ride a larger bike than expected for my torso length. Even so, I checked into this thoroughly before getting my frame set, too. I'd say size medium would be better. Your torso is more than 6 inches longer than mine, I guess. (And based on that, I would try to find a large surly to test, too).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    I'm 5'7" 33.5 inch cycling inseam. (So, 35 inch pant inseam. I'm female, btw, so different proportions from most Krampus riders since it's more a guy's bike).
    Wow, I know women have different proportions than men but I'm 6'1" and have a 32" inseam measured at 34" for cycling.
    Isn't yours backwards? Your cycling inseam should be longer than your pants inseam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    Wow, I know women have different proportions than men but I'm 6'1" and have a 32" inseam measured at 34" for cycling.
    Isn't yours backwards? Your cycling inseam should be longer than your pants inseam.
    Pants wih a 35 inch inseam fit me well wearing shoes. My PBM IS 33.5. Most women's pants are 32 inches, and they make me look like Steve URKLE.

    Very petite women sometimes have insanely long legs in proportion to their heights. Like someone who is 5'2 or 5'3" May have a 30" measurement. I think after a certain height, the torso is more often longer in proportion. 40 inch legs would be problematic. (I'm picturing Joint problems that probably wouldn't happen with someone smaller. In fact, my sister is 5 inches taller than me, so six feet, but her legs are not anywhere near 38.5 inches long).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    LBS offered a bnib Krampus for $1200! I am really having a hard time saying no!


    NO!!

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    YES!!


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    STFU!!
    Did you buy it? I paid $50 more for a used Krampus. Mine came with a carbon fork and custom paint too. Prior to seeing the one I bought I couldn't fine a used Karmpus for less than $1400 - $1500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other Anne View Post
    How much sealant should I be using? Is 4 oz enough?
    I think I put around 5 oz to ensure everything sealed up since the knards aren't a tubeless ready tire.

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    @croatiansensation, that's good advice. I had someone else set up my tires tubeless. Actually two different someones. The front tire kept air for a few months and then failed. The rear tire failed, twice, overnight. In the case of the front, and perhaps the rear as well, probably more sealant would have been better.

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    Surly Krampus

    Anyone use the Hugos yet? I'm wondering how much sealant I'll need - perhaps 3 or 4 oz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Anyone use the Hugos yet? I'm wondering how much sealant I'll need - perhaps 3 or 4 oz?
    I'm running Hugos. I used about 4 oz, but probably could have used less. Set them up a couple months ago and still can hear some Stans sloshing around in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Anyone use the Hugos yet? I'm wondering how much sealant I'll need - perhaps 3 or 4 oz?
    Hugos here, I just put in the small 2oz bottle in each tire. With the chupacabras didn't need it to seal the rim just for punctures. Bontrager sealant.

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    Surly Krampus

    Thanks Hugo guys for the help. I've got a wheelset coming and will attempt to setup the cheapo Innovas on them. Stan has never failed me yet - I may need more sealant for these things - but for 35 bucks it is worth a try.

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    Do you know a good shop online or I can order a Bontrager Chupacabra because here in France these tires are unfortunately unavailable !
    I search also a good headset to mount on my Krampus, what model and what brand (cane creek, Hope, etc...) do you recommend ?


    Thank you !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnj33 View Post
    Do you know a good shop online or I can order a Bontrager Chupacabra because here in France these tires are unfortunately unavailable !
    I search also a good headset to mount on my Krampus, what model and what brand (cane creek, Hope, etc...) do you recommend ?
    Thank you !!
    I don't know about the tyres but my Krampus headset is Chris King InSet i1 beacause of the colour. Little bit expensive but no broblems so far (about for a half year hard driving).

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    Trek

    Trek has a French site. Not sure if you can get the tires, but worth a try.

    The headset is 1 1/8 inch or 2.85 cm. Mine is an FSA S3. But Chris King would look better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    Trek

    Trek has a French site. Not sure if you can get the tires, but worth a try.
    I live in Switzerland and I've checked here with one shop and a buddy checked in Germany as well. It seems that the whole of Trek Europe has no Chupacabras in the program for 2015. They told both shops that it might happen for 2016 but we would have to wait and see. It sounds like we'll have better luck getting the new Panaracer tires instead. There's also a new Geax/Vittoria that I'm attempting to get my hands on. If I find out anything, I'll pass on the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    The headset is 1 1/8 inch or 2.85 cm. Mine is an FSA S3. But Chris King would look better.
    The Karmpus uses a 44mm headset, not a 1 1/8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    The Karmpus uses a 44mm headset, not a 1 1/8.
    Fork is 1 1/8 however. I used a $45 cane creek and it seems decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philoanna View Post
    I haven't been through this entire thread yet. This is probably discussed, but I am about 5'9.5" and I wear 29 length pants.
    I have an opportunity to test ride a small Krampus. It has 175mm crank arms and a set back set post.
    Am I too tall for a small?
    I am 5' 9" with about a 30.5 inseam. I felt fine on a medium, but don't have much stand over clearance. I wondered a little about a small fitting me. I know I had an absolute blast on the medium! I haven't come across a small to try. At 260 lbs, I may be better off with a medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoafInTX View Post
    I am 5' 9" with about a 30.5 inseam. I felt fine on a medium, but don't have much stand over clearance. I wondered a little about a small fitting me. I know I had an absolute blast on the medium! I haven't come across a small to try. At 260 lbs, I may be better off with a medium.
    I am 175cm (apparently 5' 8 and 5/6") and riding a small Krampus OPS with a 55mm stem and no setback. Fits me fine, a bit compact maybe, but makes it nice and playfull.

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    I'm 5'8" and ride a small. I could have fit on a medium too, but I preferred the small. I like the lower standover, for one thing, and small just felt better to me.

    One thing that might tip the balance for you if you plan to bikepack: the main triangle on the small is tiny. If you use a frame bag, you can't fit very much in it.

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    Krampus Build

    i finally got a couple pics worth sharing of my Krampus





    Here's a brief run down of my build

    Drivetrain: 1x10 XTR with 34t wolftooth ring
    Brakes: XT, 180 mm front, 160 mm rear
    Wheels: Nextie 40mm hookless to Hope Pro2 Evo
    Tires: Bontrager Chupacabras
    Handlebar: Nitto Fairweather Bullmosse
    Seatpost: Thomson Elite
    Headset: Chris King

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    Surly Krampus

    Awesome ride, the enve fork rides like a dream - removed some of the sluggish steering. Stiff, stiff, stiff though, but not jarring. Tracks straight and true when braking hard and going fast into corners. Complements the beefy tires when gobbling up trail chatter. Just wished that I had more traction up front. Seems like the lower A-C did not throw off the geometry, made it a playful XC bike with monster tires. I also need to compensate for the lighter front-end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Speed View Post
    I live in Switzerland and I've checked here with one shop and a buddy checked in Germany as well. It seems that the whole of Trek Europe has no Chupacabras in the program for 2015. They told both shops that it might happen for 2016 but we would have to wait and see. It sounds like we'll have better luck getting the new Panaracer tires instead. There's also a new Geax/Vittoria that I'm attempting to get my hands on. If I find out anything, I'll pass on the info.
    The Maxxis Chronicles look promising. Maxxis makes great mountain bike tires in general. I've Ardents on mine now as I don't really need 3 " tires, yet. Great quality. Tread might be more aggressive, though.

    you could try US ebay.

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    Just finished my Krampus this evening...

    Ops frameset 19"
    Light Bicycles hookless carbon rims on Pro 2 Evo hubs
    Maxxis Chronicle tubeless
    XX1 drivetrain 34t front
    Formula R1 brakes
    Easton Haven carbon bars/stem
    Thomson post
    Charge Knife Ti rail saddle
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    Trust the rubber

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    Quote Originally Posted by aybee View Post
    Awesome ride, the enve fork rides like a dream - removed some of the sluggish steering. Stiff, stiff, stiff though, but not jarring. Tracks straight and true when braking hard and going fast into corners. Complements the beefy tires when gobbling up trail chatter. Just wished that I had more traction up front. Seems like the lower A-C did not throw off the geometry, made it a playful XC bike with monster tires. I also need to compensate for the lighter front-end.

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    Your bike looks great! I've been thinking hard about getting the Enve fork for mine. Are you running it with the 44mm of 52mm offset? I plugged some numbers into a trail calculator and came out with the trail only being 1mm smaller for the Enve set to 44mm. The head angle should steepen by about 0.5 degrees and the wheelbase should shorten by about 7mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpolka View Post
    Your bike looks great! I've been thinking hard about getting the Enve fork for mine. Are you running it with the 44mm of 52mm offset? I plugged some numbers into a trail calculator and came out with the trail only being 1mm smaller for the Enve set to 44mm. The head angle should steepen by about 0.5 degrees and the wheelbase should shorten by about 7mm.
    Thanks! It was actually an impulse buy - I have been looking at the Whisky No. 9 fork for the longest time but no timetable of availability in my corner of the world. I was about to go for the Niner RDO fork but the loud graphics did not go well with the flat / matte finish of the bike. Then when I paid a visit to this LBS to rebuild my Krampus wheels, what seemingly sounds like an innocent question "can I have a look at your enve 29er forks" led to "you need to put this in my bike!" and viola! No regrets so far - I'd say go for it.

    I'm running the stock 52mm offset, figured that it would be closer in geometry with the stock build in the sense that the shorter A-C compensates for the longer offset. Like you, I usually put in numbers to determine geometry changes when replacing parts, but since this was an impulse purchase no chance of doing that. I'm curious of trying the 44mm offset though, I'm assuming it would make the geometry more XC-ish? We'll see.

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    Surly Krampus

    That Enve sure is slick and purty...

    I'm a huge fan of my Carver 470 fork. I'm honestly not sure about the offset, but the 13mm shorter A:C really makes the Krampus even more fun... In fact, so many of my friends have raved about the handling and ride characteristics, that someone here in ATX is building a clone of my bike. Just saw the Doppleganger at Cycle Progression on Friday.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aybee View Post

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    La Mesa!

    Very cool Krampus
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    my krampus

    my krampus:
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    i bought it lightly used for $1250 with XT hydraulic brakes and raceface narrow wide chainring.
    i added:
    moots setback post
    chris king sour apple headset and bottom bracket
    nitto fairweather bullmoose stem/bar combo
    raceface turbine crankset & chainring to match the king stuff
    gorilla tape ghetto tubeless

    future changes:
    i have the chris king sour apple hubs, & i want to build them to duallys or p35 blunts.
    get a 120mm pike.

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    I have a large framed Krampus and want to buy a revelate Tangle bag. I'm wondering what size bag to buy; medium or large. If anyone knows what size fits the large frame, I'd appreciate the info. Thanks


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFitz View Post
    I have a large framed Krampus and want to buy a revelate Tangle bag. I'm wondering what size bag to buy; medium or large. If anyone knows what size fits the large frame, I'd appreciate the info. Thanks


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    They are 17", 19.5", and 21" for small, medium, and large. So measure the inside distance of your top tube and get the one that fits.

    https://www.revelatedesigns.com/inde...TangleFrameBag

    I have the size small for my CAADX with a 53.5 tt. Fit is perfect, but tight. Seems like the underside of the tt was 18 inches, but I'll get back to you. I believe my size small Krampus was an inch shorter than the CAADX. Might not work on the Small Krampu; mostly because th top of the triangle by the head tube is so tight.

    i just measures my small tangle bag, the top portion is exactly 17 inches, but the ends make it more like 18 inches altogether. So figure the bags are about an inch longer than stated. The underside of the tt measures about 18 .75 inches. Perfect fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFitz View Post
    I have a large framed Krampus and want to buy a revelate Tangle bag. I'm wondering what size bag to buy; medium or large. If anyone knows what size fits the large frame, I'd appreciate the info. Thanks


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    Look at the surly framebag page here:

    Cargo | Parts and Accessories | Surly Bikes

    The charts should tell you what bag fits, and them you can see how long that bag is. Then get the Tangle that has the same top tube measurement.

    Do you want us to do all the work?

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    Must I choose my tires for my Krampus and I hesitate between the 3 models available here in France it is , Maxxis Chronicle, Vee Rubber Trax Fatty or Surly Knard 120tpi (27 tpi is much too heavy for my taste..), depending on your experience for dry, slightly sandy grounds and a tire that remains quite "wheelchair" that would you recommend?

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    i have the medium tangle bag and it fits my large krampus but i think you could fit the bigger one in ther.

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    Thanks guys. The dimensions of the medium seem closest so that's what I'll go with. I appreciate the help!

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    Sizing question: I'm 6'1" x 34 inseam and ride technical east coast trails. Do I want the large or extra large? I'm currently thinking large so that I can eventually run a suspension fork without banging me nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edge View Post
    Sizing question: I'm 6'1" x 34 inseam and ride technical east coast trails. Do I want the large or extra large? I'm currently thinking large so that I can eventually run a suspension fork without banging me nuts.
    What other mountain bikes have you owned recently and what size(s) were they? Compare reach and effective top tube lengths between the bikes you are comfortable on and the L and XL Krampus dimensions. The standover height is over an inch higher for the XL so if you don't have real long legs you might be hurting your nuts with a longer axle to crown dimension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edge View Post
    Sizing question: I'm 6'1" x 34 inseam and ride technical east coast trails. Do I want the large or extra large? I'm currently thinking large so that I can eventually run a suspension fork without banging me nuts.
    I'm 6'2 with a 34" inseam and ride the same terrain. I've been happy with the Large. Even happier since I put the Float 34 on it!

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    Thanks Mpolka and seabass. I went with the large because ETT was closer to my monocog flight and I want something I can huck around on. Picked it up this weekend. Hit it with some frame saver and might make it ghetto tubeless before it's first ride. What's the trick to get rear wheels off with these new fangled derailurs? ?

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    I turned the clutch off and pulled the skewer. Came out pretty easy after that. I eventually went SS on mine so it's easier now.
    Ghetto setup is easy. I just put in my ribbon of choice, used one wrap of gorilla tape, and then used a 26" split tube. Some use a 24" tube. I had 26"s on hand so I went with those. Make sure you get tubes with removable cores. Makes it much easier to seal the bead with the compressor as you can get a lot more air in. Then I used 3 oz Stans and trimmed the skirt with a razor.

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    How do you release the clutch? I've been no gearing for too long.

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    If it has one, theres a spring loaded on/off switch on the body

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    Hi!

    Wich casing for my Chronicles to come?
    I use to ride hard, in muddy or rocky trail, with my 27tpi Knards in tubeless, but I want a more agressive tire... 120tpi Exo? Is it ok with 10psi like with my Knards? Front or rear?

    Thanks

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    Go EXO TR. That will cover you for sidewall protection, and tubeless ready.

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    Thank you, captain

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaBass_ View Post
    I turned the clutch off and pulled the skewer. Came out pretty easy after that. I eventually went SS on mine so it's easier now.
    Ghetto setup is easy. I just put in my ribbon of choice, used one wrap of gorilla tape, and then used a 26" split tube. Some use a 24" tube. I had 26"s on hand so I went with those. Make sure you get tubes with removable cores. Makes it much easier to seal the bead with the compressor as you can get a lot more air in. Then I used 3 oz Stans and trimmed the skirt with a razor.
    fwiw, no need to use a split tube to run rabbit holes tubeless.

    i used one wrap of gorilla wide tape and the knard seated with a floor pump. going strong for over a year.

    imho the extra time/effort is not worth the hassle.
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    Small Krampus frame for sale

    I have a size small Krampus frame for sale. It comes with a carbon RSD fork (same as the one that comes on the RSD Mutant). $600CDN

    PM me if interested

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muirenn View Post
    Pants wih a 35 inch inseam fit me well wearing shoes. My PBM IS 33.5. Most women's pants are 32 inches, and they make me look like Steve URKLE.

    Very petite women sometimes have insanely long legs in proportion to their heights. Like someone who is 5'2 or 5'3" May have a 30" measurement. I think after a certain height, the torso is more often longer in proportion. 40 inch legs would be problematic. (I'm picturing Joint problems that probably wouldn't happen with someone smaller. In fact, my sister is 5 inches taller than me, so six feet, but her legs are not anywhere near 38.5 inches long).
    Okay, at the the risk of sounding creepy here, I need to see a picture of you beside your small Krampus to be able to put this in perspective. I'm the same height as you, but your legs are 6" longer than mine. I also ride a small, and have a 300mm seat post that is nearly to the max height. By my math, you would need a 450mm seat post, right?

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    New Krampus Owner here! At least a frame so far.

    Getting started building it up and need a crown race for the fork. Figure I'll just go ahead and get a complete headset. Can someone point me to just what I need, like the exact one?

    Edit: actually I just ordered the crown race I need to work with my other pieces and parts.

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    Made a few upgrades to mine - Nextie rims and Chupacabra tires, one up drivetrain. Definitely a little more volume with the Chupacabras than the Knards. Really digging the tires so far.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bnj33 View Post
    Must I choose my tires for my Krampus and I hesitate between the 3 models available here in France it is , Maxxis Chronicle, Vee Rubber Trax Fatty or Surly Knard 120tpi (27 tpi is much too heavy for my taste..), depending on your experience for dry, slightly sandy grounds and a tire that remains quite "wheelchair" that would you recommend?
    I will warn that my experience is limited to a few hours riding, but the Krampus with Knards is very good in very loose dirt and egg sized rocks, also at smoothing out small bumps. I rode at 10 psi and was amazed. They are excellent all around tires, although I've heard not so good in mud. They are not at all bad on pavement, either.

    I got to ride some Maxxis Chronicles 29+ on a Chumba Ursa demo bike on sandy, hilly, slightly wet trails, only 5-6 miles though. They were fantastic and I felt like I could plow over anything. I slipped once, that was in 3 in. of pure loose sand. I tried to ride these same trails on my 29er with 2" tires and gave up after a few hundred feet! I came away very impressed with the Chronicles and the 29+ format. I don't have any experience in riding "true" fat bikes in these same conditions, but the performance was very impressive!

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    i have a question re. frame size. i sort of hastily bought my krampus, a large, because it was a really good deal and i was bikeless at the time (read: desperate). i have been riding it for a while and it has been fine, but definitely on the large side for me. i am wondering what size you guys ride compared to your height, reach, inseam, etc and how you like the fits. im 5'9" on a good day with pretty long legs for my height. my main concerns are standover and wheelbase.
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    I'm 5'8" and happy with my size Small. Medium would also have worked, but I find that I really like the standover.

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    wow. that makes me want to switch to a medium. i would also benefit from having more exposed seatpost with my ti post being able to flex more.

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    It's just one datapoint. Other people my size ride Mediums.

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    5'10" and 32 inch inseam on a medium.

    Have you tried an shorter stem and slide the saddle further up to shorten the cockpit?

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    updated pic of mine,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ale50ale View Post
    Okay, at the the risk of sounding creepy here, I need to see a picture of you beside your small Krampus to be able to put this in perspective. I'm the same height as you, but your legs are 6" longer than mine. I also ride a small, and have a 300mm seat post that is nearly to the max height. By my math, you would need a 450mm seat post, right?
    Center of crank to top of saddle is 73 cm, 350 is fine, 400 would probably be a bit better.

    Your inseam is only 27.5 inches at 5'7"? My actual inseam is 33.5, not 35. Pants with a 35 inch inseam fit well. Though it depends on the brand, i think here is a lot of variability in how they measure.

    I know some mountain bikers raise the saddle quite a bit higher. Mine is set to the same degree of flexation as my road bikes. I'm new to mb, so may do things a little differently.

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    @Dropperpost, what stem+bar combo you got there?


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    it's the nitto bullmoose threadless bar/stem combo made for fairweather bikes in japan.

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    the reach isn't too bad. ive even got a setpack post on there. i could put the orginal bars on with a shorter stem and switch to a non-setback post and the reach would be even less.
    it's more the wheelbase and standover which bug me. like the overall size

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    Quote Originally Posted by MussEd View Post
    Just finished my Krampus this evening...

    Ops frameset 19"
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    @MussED.. nice build! Curious about the LB carbon rim/Chronicle combo.. how did it set-up tubeless? Which width rims are they?


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    Thanks mate, they're 35mm rims and set up really quickly and easily. In fact i first set them up without sealant and they held pressure overnight until I had the chance to stick in the fluid.
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    Nice build MussEd, what's the total build weight? Im considering an LB wheels too.
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    TBH I'm not that much of weight watcher but think it's just under 25kg.


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    Surly Krampus in Bikepacking Kit by mbeganyi, on Flickr

    Mine before an overnight.

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    It's funny how we want to go lean and mean with a handlebar roll and a seat bag, but then we find out we need more space and we add a gas tank, a frame bag, a couple of snack bags, and Anything Cages. I'm not casting aspersions on you, bmike. My bikepacking rig is the same, except I can't fit a seat bag on the bike, so I have a homemade saddlebag instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other Anne View Post
    It's funny how we want to go lean and mean with a handlebar roll and a seat bag, but then we find out we need more space and we add a gas tank, a frame bag, a couple of snack bags, and Anything Cages. I'm not casting aspersions on you, bmike. My bikepacking rig is the same, except I can't fit a seat bag on the bike, so I have a homemade saddlebag instead.
    I hear you. I love my Krampus. But the triangle is more limiting than on my Fargo.

    This was a shoulder seasons cold weather trip. I have a 0° down bag in the seatbag. Full kitchen with me, insulated sleeping pad, 70oz of water, filter, first aid kit, camp clothes (luxury), and a pillow. Along with full rain gear, tubes and tools. Folding saw, headlamp, camera, GPS, spot, personal meds, glasses, etc.

    I can get this kit way more lean and mean. But for an overnight with friends and a chance of being cold I toured in relative luxury.

    This kit with re supply and a couple of alterations would be good for perpetual touring.
    And I didn't bring a backpack.

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    I'm doing the Divide this summer, and other than the folding saw, I'll be bringing everything you list. Well, OK, the sleeping bag will be a 20 degree bag, but other than that... I'll be gone for a long time, and I would get cold if I tried to go lean and mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other Anne View Post
    I'm doing the Divide this summer, and other than the folding saw, I'll be bringing everything you list. Well, OK, the sleeping bag will be a 20 degree bag, but other than that... I'll be gone for a long time, and I would get cold if I tried to go lean and mean.
    Good luck! That's something I want to do someday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other Anne View Post
    I'm doing the Divide this summer, and other than the folding saw, I'll be bringing everything you list. Well, OK, the sleeping bag will be a 20 degree bag, but other than that... I'll be gone for a long time, and I would get cold if I tried to go lean and mean.
    I did it in '12 and it changes you in ways you wouldn't expect. FYI - I'm not sure that a stove is needed unless you are even more of a caffeine junkie than I am. There are a lot of places for resupply. Lets put it this way, I never went to bed hungry. Shoot me a msg if you have any questions. Happy to help out.

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    For those of you that run a suspension fork, or anyone really, do you find the BB height to be too high? with the extra girth of the tires, it seems like an abnormally high BB even stock, with a 120mm fork i feel like that would be quite a bit too high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsa101 View Post
    For those of you that run a suspension fork, or anyone really, do you find the BB height to be too high? with the extra girth of the tires, it seems like an abnormally high BB even stock, with a 120mm fork i feel like that would be quite a bit too high.
    Nope. I've never once wanted a lower BB. Works great stock and with a 130mm fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsa101 View Post
    For those of you that run a suspension fork, or anyone really, do you find the BB height to be too high? with the extra girth of the tires, it seems like an abnormally high BB even stock, with a 120mm fork i feel like that would be quite a bit too high.
    I have not finished building my Krampus yet, but I have tried it on a Mukluk with the same BB drop and 29+ wheels. I think the BB height is pretty close to right for riding off-road. I am putting a suspension fork on mine. I would like a higher BB to give me better clearance for the 190mm long cranks I like to run, but that is not a failing of the bike.
    if I wanted more road-like handling, I would probably think more about the ECR

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropperpost View Post
    it's the nitto bullmoose threadless bar/stem combo made for fairweather bikes in japan.

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    Oh man that's a cool handlebar. Shame it's so narrow or I'd be tempted to get one.

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    here's some pics of my recent lefty addition. it all fit together really well. updated the cartridge to xlr.

    this thing is really fun. was really fun before but now its GREAT....
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    decided to try the medium. if anyone is interested in trading their medium krampus frame/fork for my large, let me know!

    or, if anyone wants to buy my large frame/fork/canecreek headset, let me know!
    i just think the medium will be better for me.

    i'm in fort collins. text (310) 9636959 if interested. thanks

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    Hey all! Looking to join the Krampus crew as soon as I can figure out which size to get. I'm about 5'10' with an inseam of 31.25 inches and 21 inch arms. I currently ride a Large Karate Monkey with Salsa Woodchipper bars and a stem of about 65 mm.

    Surly says that if you ride a large in one of their bikes than you should be fine in a large on any of their other bikes. Looking at the geometry of the Krampus and KM makes me think otherwise, or at least confuses me. The ETT of a Large Km at 24.3 inches is only a smidge longer than a Medium Krampus at 24.0 inches. Maybe surly factors in the length of the stock stem that comes with the bikes? If thats the case than the overall distance from saddle to handlebar would be similar between same sizes of the Krampus and Karate Monkey because the Krampus comes with a shorter stem.

    Anyhoo I'm leaning towards a medium based on ETT length but not sure and need some pushing to give me confidence that i'm making the right(ish) choice XD.

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    I'm 5 10 with a 32 inseam and I have a medium with a 70 mm stem, shorter bars than the stock bars.

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    I'm 5' 11" with 33" pant's inseam and ride a medium. ~75mm stem and narrow bars.
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    I'm 5' 10" with a 31" cycling inseam and a ride medium with a 60mm stem and 750mm low rise bars. I've got a good fit, but wouldn't mind trying a short stem for kicks. I've had a medium KM in the past and liked it too, other than the HT angle.

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    You need to look at effective tt, head tube height, stack, and reach to determine which is the same size as the large KM.

    There is a tangential formula you can use to compare bike sizes with those numbers (I think along with HT angle, if I remember correctly, but it's pretty easy to compare bike size just by looking at the raw numbers.

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    Hey thanks for the replies everyone! Yeee sounds like the medium is the direction I should go in! Putting my concerns at ease!

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    What would be the best way to get myself into a more upright seating position?

    I'm not trying to turn my Krampus into a beach cruiser, but I definitely have some significant wrist pain and numbness after a few hours of riding. I'd like to take a bit of that pressure off my wrists (and also arch my neck less, thus improving my neck comfort).

    I understand the aggressive trail bike nature of the Krampus, and I certainly appreciate that and use it for the purpose. However, most of my time is spent in more of a bikepacking mode. I do some gravel roads, fireroads, etc. I'm more likely to do some stream crossings with a bit of modest up- and downhill, versus jumping over logs and doing super technical rock gardens and that sort of thing.

    So losing some of the benefit of the aggressive, bent-over geometry isn't a HUGE concern for me.

    Having said all that, would you guys recommend spacers, a riser bar (and if so, is there a certain model that seems most popular?) or something totally different? Thanks a lot for any insight you can give me!

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    Are you running a flat bar? I built mine myself and have 20mm carbon riders and a 60mm stem. I might go with a shorter stem.

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    Yeah, with the exception of my grips, everything is completely stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer4 View Post
    What would be the best way to get myself into a more upright seating position?

    I'm not trying to turn my Krampus into a beach cruiser, but I definitely have some significant wrist pain and numbness after a few hours of riding. I'd like to take a bit of that pressure off my wrists (and also arch my neck less, thus improving my neck comfort).

    I understand the aggressive trail bike nature of the Krampus, and I certainly appreciate that and use it for the purpose. However, most of my time is spent in more of a bikepacking mode. I do some gravel roads, fireroads, etc. I'm more likely to do some stream crossings with a bit of modest up- and downhill, versus jumping over logs and doing super technical rock gardens and that sort of thing.

    So losing some of the benefit of the aggressive, bent-over geometry isn't a HUGE concern for me.

    Having said all that, would you guys recommend spacers, a riser bar (and if so, is there a certain model that seems most popular?) or something totally different? Thanks a lot for any insight you can give me!
    Jones Loop for me. I have them on the Pugsley and the Krampus. I have the Jones bend on the family hauling Yuba Mundo.

    The wrist angle is more natural for me. I did not change out the stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer4 View Post
    What would be the best way to get myself into a more upright seating position?

    Having said all that, would you guys recommend spacers, a riser bar (and if so, is there a certain model that seems most popular?) or something totally different? Thanks a lot for any insight you can give me!
    A new uncut Krampus fork is ~$110 with it you could put the bars at a fairly high position without dealing with a fork steerer extender or new bars. Only comes in black.

    Surly Krampus 29" Fork > Components > Frames, Forks and Suspension > Rigid Forks | Jenson USA

    I've put a suspension fork on my Krampus that was used and had a cut steerer so I'm getting some high rise bars to put the grips higher than they are currently.

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    If you were just riding dirt roads you could use a steerer extender, but the more real mountain biking you were doing the less excited I would be to go this route.

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    Get a Carver 490mm fork for $250 and you'll get some height and loose 350 grams. Edit: I'm planning on trying the Carver to gain height and loose some weight and will report back. The front feels a bit low to me too, but causes no problems.

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    I'm running a jones bar in a hi-rise stem on an uncut steerer on my XL Krampus to put the bars a saddle height. (These pics show my cut stock fork; now running uncut black eyelet fork.)




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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer4 View Post
    What would be the best way to get myself into a more upright seating position?

    I'm not trying to turn my Krampus into a beach cruiser, but I definitely have some significant wrist pain and numbness after a few hours of riding. I'd like to take a bit of that pressure off my wrists (and also arch my neck less, thus improving my neck comfort).
    I just built a Krampus and did not like how the stock version felt either. (70mm stem/15mm spacers/stock fork/flat bar) Besides being set up with a suspension fork, I am running a 60mm stem, 15mm of spacers and a 38mm rise bar.

    The handlebar is a Deity CZ38 and it features a 9.5 degree sweep. It is the only handlebar available with that much rise and sweep. For me, more sweep on the bar has helped with comfort and I really like the 760mm width for bike control. There are now more high rise bars on the market from Raceface, Easton, Renthal and soon ENVE. These bars all happen to be carbon and have various geometries, but all give 38-46mm of rise.

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    Another thing you can do to make yourself more upright is push the saddle forward. My Krampus is for bikepacking, and I find it more comfortable to get the saddle quite forward. It helps with seated climbing as well. When my saddle was further back, I found the front wheel wanted to wander on steep climbs.

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    I found the upright posture I desired on the ECR. I too use the bike primarily for backpacking and long rides so I chose ultimate comfort over the trail ripping qualities of the Krampus. I have/had other bikes that are better suited for fast singletrack and have been happy with this decision. I've also found that the ECR has no trouble moving fast on rocky singletrack.

    SO I know its not cool to ride an ECR I love mine.

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    While I wait for my buddy to post a ride report from our 3 day trip a couple weekends ago. Here is a shot of my Krampus in action. This is its 3rd season as a bikepacking rig and I love it! The combo of the big 29+ Knard tires which roll so well and perform better in the traction department than they have any right to given the minimal knobs mixed with the Krampus's geo makes it awesome for a go anywhere touring rig.

    From rough steep mountain hiking trails to GDR style logging roads and even all day pavement stretches to connect dirt - the Krampus delivers.

    I have been tempted by some of the new fancy 29+ options, but I keep thinking I'll spend a bunch of $$ and not get the same awesome ride experience as I already have so I stay the course with the Big K.

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    I will add that if I was not 6'6" and using the bike for bikepacking I'd be rolling a Krampus as well. Tall fellers that want the bars to be level or near with the saddle may want to look at an ECR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matterhorn View Post
    I will add that if I was not 6'6" and using the bike for bikepacking I'd be rolling a Krampus as well. Tall fellers that want the bars to be level or near with the saddle may want to look at an ECR.
    I have yet to buy a complete Surly, but if you are buying frame/fork there is no difference in steerer length [260mm] between a Krampus fork and an ECR fork when uncut so the bars can be placed at the same height.

    With the completes I am not sure how long Surly is leaving them for each model of bike.
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    That may be the issue. I've ridden my buddies XL Krampus and while it was great I was definitely in a more aggressive riding position.

    Is the steerer length the only factor that determines saddle to bar height relationship? It would seem not. The Krampus may at least need more spacers. How does the bb drop affect fit?

    Either way I'm quite happy on the ECR. I'm sort of a contrarian and a luddite.

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    Surly complete bikes come with excess steerer tube. I'd be surprised if they were trimmed at all considering they need trimming to match the stack height of the included HS, spacers, and stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I have yet to buy a complete Surly, but if you are buying frame/fork there is no difference in steerer length [260mm] between a Krampus fork and an ECR fork when uncut so the bars can be placed at the same height.

    With the completes I am not sure how long Surly is leaving them for each model of bike.
    The Axle to crown length is different, so handlebar height should be different. The ECR max handlebar height relative to the ground all else equal is shorter.

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    So that's 15mm extra height on the krampus.

    The ECR headtube tends to be longer, so that's fewer spacers, but no difference in max or fit (though minimum height would be affected).

    The bb drop is 80mm on ecr, 60mm on krampus, so since the angles and offset are the same, relative to the seat, the ECR handlebars should be taller by 5mm.

    Unless you're running a super high-rise stem the difference is meaningless.

    To me, the higher bb bike is more fun and more stable (takes longer to fall over with higher c.o.g.). Bicycle stability is complex, so some will say lower c.o.g. is more stable.
    With ECR It's easier to put your feet on the ground while riding an ecr and staying in the saddle. If you're bike packing up a hill at <1mph, the lower bb may be helpful. Hitting your pedals on the ground when riding in ruts would be a good bit worse on ecr.

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