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    Introducing the Carver Gnarvester!

    What do you get when you cross a Carver 420 Ti and a Surly Krampus? The new Carver Gnarvester! It's basically a 420 with room for Knard 29+ tires. I have not ridden it yet, still building it up, but first ride will be in a couple of days.

    My story if you're interested, if not, skip to the pictures. When I heard that Surly was releasing 29x3 tires, I knew I wanted to try them out. I managed to squeeze them into a frame I already had (thread here: Ti Carver + Knard = ???). After a couple of rides, I knew I wanted a dedicated frame to run the Knards, but with some geometry tweaks and lighter than a Krampus. So I sent Davis at Carver an email asking about doing a custom 420 Ti with room for Knards. He sent a quick response that read 'like this?' with a couple of pictures of exactly what I requested. Apparently, he had already thought of it and was testing one. After a couple more email about details, turns out he had another frame for sale, in my size no less, which was quickly on it's way to me, along with a new design tapered carbon fork.

    First teaser pics below:
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    Destiny, nothing else Look forward to the reports.
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    Must resist using all caps and bold to convey my jealousy.

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    Wowza. Looks great, can't wait to see it built up..

    I'll bet Davis at Carver will be getting a few more emails.

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    This is incredibly exciting.

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    Davis Carver Rocks. Seriously - he's a super cool guy.

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    Some smart thinking on Carver's part to get on the ball with this. Will be watching to see it complete and hear your thoughts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Some smart thinking on Carver's part to get on the ball with this. Will be watching to see it complete and hear your thoughts!
    Agreed! I will be updating, so keep an eye out. Couple more pictures:
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    Geo charts?

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    BikeNY, are the angles the same as the 420 then? I saw your post and got real tempted, went to their site as a Ti HT is in my future, but was a bit disappointed with the 69* HTA with a 140mm fork, now if it was 69* with a 120mm fork I could do with that. Right now my front runner for my future Ti HT frame is the Titus Fireline EVO, although having room for a Knard is something that could sway me to the Carver, despite the un-believeable price Titus is selling the FL EVO for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    BikeNY, are the angles the same as the 420 then? I saw your post and got real tempted, went to their site as a Ti HT is in my future, but was a bit disappointed with the 69* HTA with a 140mm fork, now if it was 69* with a 120mm fork I could do with that. Right now my front runner for my future Ti HT frame is the Titus Fireline EVO, although having room for a Knard is something that could sway me to the Carver, despite the un-believeable price Titus is selling the FL EVO for.
    Yes, geometry is basically the same as the 420 with longer chainstays and room for the Knard. According to the Carver site the HT angle is 68 with a 140 fork, 69 with a 120 fork. The fork I got has an AC of 490mm, so that should put the angle at around 69.5. I hope that helps!

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    Can't wait to see it ... I'm sure it will be sweet.

    But I thought when it came to carbon, you had a "just say no" policy ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowPokePete View Post
    Can't wait to see it ... I'm sure it will be sweet.

    But I thought when it came to carbon, you had a "just say no" policy ...

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    You got me! Up until now that is absolutely correct. Even my road bike doesn't have any carbon on it! I figure carbon has come far enough that I can give it a try.

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    I would buy that if it was also belt drive compatible or available as an option. I'm thinking 29+ belt drive Rohloff.

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    First ride report

    So I finally got my first ride in on the Gnarvester, so just a quick report here. I had a few component compatibility issues to sort through which took a bit longer than I wanted, but all good now.

    First of all: I know I have a ton of spacers under/over the stem, so don't comment on it! I am still fine tuning the fit and did not want to cut the steerer too short.

    The ride was about 1.5 hours with a couple of stops to make adjustments. One word description: FUN! Took a little bit to get used to the different handling compared to the other frame, mostly the slacker headtube angle. The bike felt very solid: The shorter stays give it that playful feel and make it easy to get the front wheel up or bunnyhop. slack HT angle make it plenty stable when the speed picks up, and I had no problem keeping the front end down, even on steep techy climbs. Lastly, I am still amazed at the climbing ability of the Knards! If you have the legs for it, it just rolls right up the steepest rocky, rooty trails without a hiccup. You almost don't have to worry about your line and just pedal!

    I have the sliders set all the way forward, which gives a CS length of 17.5", and there was still plenty of tire clearance. This thing is ready if/when Surly comes out with a knobbier 29+ tire. Weight on my crappy scale was about 26.5lbs, about 2 pounds lighter than my other setup. The majority of that savings was thmoving from a steel Niner fork to the Carbon Carver fork.

    Questions? ask away!
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    that's really cool! Now ditch those silly pulleys and cables and really enjoy it!

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    Forgot to include this in the last post, here is the parts list:

    Carver Gnarvester frame, 18"
    Carver Carbon tapered fork, 490mm A-C, 45mm offset
    Cane creek 40 tapered headset
    Wheels: Jeff Jones 50mm (actually 48mm) 29er rims, Hope 100mm front & 135mm singlespeed rear hubs, DT Comp butted spokes, 120tpi Knards, built by Mike C. He claims they are *really* Burly!
    6 speed custom Ti cassette, 12-33: 5 cogs from an old Boone 2 speed cassette and an offset 33t Ritchey to cog
    Truvativ AKA GXP cranks (same as SRAM X9) with 28t Ti HBC spiderless chainring
    Shimano XTR M960 rear derailleur
    Shimano 8 speed barend shifter mounted on a Paul Thumbies mount
    SRAM PC68 chain
    Old style Time ATAC Titan pedals (the best pedals ever!)
    Old style Moots layback titanium seatpost
    WTB Silverado titanium railed saddle
    Race Face stem (temporary)
    Groovy Luv Handle titanium bar
    Old Hope Mono Mini brakes, 180/160
    Ergon GS2 grips (soon to be GS1 without barends)
    King Cage
    Salsa seatpost clamp w/ 27.2 to 31.6 shim

    I think that's it.

    I also plan to have it setup for easy singlespeed conversion. I will have a second chain that is the proper length, and then set the sliders at the appropriate spot for my gearing. The swap will then require only:

    1. Remove chain
    2. Unscrew derailleur bolt
    3. Unscrew shifter bolt (mount is hinged, so shifter comes off without removing brakes/grips)
    4. Remove 3 clips holding shifter cable
    5. Swap cassette for SS cog and spacers
    6. install second chain

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    Mighty nice bike sir!

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    Nice build, bet that thing is a blast.
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    So, so itching for something like this, can't wait until my Blunt35s arrive and I can give a Knard F/WW LT R a go on them on my Monkey
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    Looks sublime!
    I was ready to put a deposit down on a custom frame to accommodate Fat/29/Knards...now it looks like I may be selling at least one bike in anticipation of an upcoming relocation.
    Some day soon tho...


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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Forgot to include this in the last post, here is the parts list:

    I also plan to have it setup for easy singlespeed conversion. I will have a second chain that is the proper length, and then set the sliders at the appropriate spot for my gearing. The swap will then require only:

    1. Remove chain
    2. Unscrew derailleur bolt
    3. Unscrew shifter bolt (mount is hinged, so shifter comes off without removing brakes/grips)
    4. Remove 3 clips holding shifter cable
    5. Swap cassette for SS cog and spacers
    6. install second chain
    Very cool!

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    THAT is something I can get excited about!

    Good plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post

    I also plan to have it setup for easy singlespeed conversion. I will have a second chain that is the proper length, and then set the sliders at the appropriate spot for my gearing. The swap will then require only:

    1. Remove chain
    2. Unscrew derailleur bolt
    3. Unscrew shifter bolt (mount is hinged, so shifter comes off without removing brakes/grips)
    4. Remove 3 clips holding shifter cable
    5. Swap cassette for SS cog and spacers
    6. install second chain
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    You have the coolest bike around! I plan to have something similar soon. So it sounds like the CS length will be within a few mm of the Krampus, tough job fitting all that stuff in a tight spot. What is the BB drop, or BB height? Also how stiff does the rear end feel? The Krampus felt very soft the me in the rear.

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    Fuggin' rad bike!
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    Will this be available to the masses? Or is it custom?
    I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.

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    Introducing the Carver Gnarvester!

    You beat me to it. I was so tempted to get a 420, but went with a nimble9. 420+knard compatibility would have sealed it!

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    Introducing the Carver Gnarvester!

    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Will this be available to the masses? Or is it custom?
    Davis will make you just about anything you ask for!

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    How much did the frame cost?

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    How long ago did you order & get your HBC chain ring?

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    I've been thinking of a custom frame right along these same lines. I'm too curious about the BB drop. The only reference point I can find is the Krampus, and curiously, the Krampus has less drop than the Karate Monkey--you'd think for the big tires, they would lower the BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Will this be available to the masses? Or is it custom?
    Yes, this will be available to the masses. He built a couple as test units, and then will be making more and it will be one of his standard models. I have no idea when that will be, so best to ask him directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x3speed View Post
    How much did the frame cost?
    Price is the same as the Carver 420.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29ger View Post
    How long ago did you order & get your HBC chain ring?
    I have had this ring for like 2 years, from back in the good ole days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    I've been thinking of a custom frame right along these same lines. I'm too curious about the BB drop. The only reference point I can find is the Krampus, and curiously, the Krampus has less drop than the Karate Monkey--you'd think for the big tires, they would lower the BB.
    I honestly don't know what the BB drop is on this frame. Carver claims the 420 has a BB drop of 52mm. I will ask and see what Davis says. I can say that it did not feel overly high. That said, I don't like my BB too low as it results in too many pedal strikes around here.

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    Oh my giddy aunt. I was just looking at the 420 for a SS frame. Looks like I need to go take some measurements....

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    I believe the BB drop is -75mm.

    Any chance we can get a picture showing tire clearance from the bottom of the bike? Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincentg View Post
    I believe the BB drop is -75mm.

    Any chance we can get a picture showing tire clearance from the bottom of the bike? Thanks!!
    No problem, couple pictures below:

    Edit: This is with the sliders all the way forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    No problem, couple pictures below:

    Edit: This is with the sliders all the way forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Nice socks! And nice bike.
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    Thanks very much!

    Stiff enough rear end?

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    Ugh, now I have to start figuring this out and how to get it belt drive and Rohloff compatible.

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    Rohloff is easy, just use a disk hub with either a Speedbone or a Rohloff-specific LH dropout (if there is one), and a Rohloff or compatible 4-bolt rotor. Belt drive will require some cutting of the frame, and welding in of the appropriate parts...

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    I've been touching myself to your pictures, bikeny. I hope that's ok with you.
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    I e-mailed Carver yesterday, but haven't heard anything. Hope he still has some of those prototypes left, or else I'll just have to get him to build me one.
    What size did you go with, bikeny?
    How has yours been doing over the past two months?

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    Just got an e-mail from Forrest Carver. They are ready to place an order. I'm just barely 5'8" and trying to decide between the small and the medium.

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    Any updates on the Gnarvester at all from anyone with one or on order? I have a small on hold (5'7" for reference. Same ETT as my Pugs) to replace my Pugs and am super excited to try a lightweight 29+ to replace the pig of a Pugs I have. Just want to compare the 29+ to a Pugsley. I really miss my old Dillinger which had fat tires and rims. It was pretty nice, but I am looking forward to trying this beast out.

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    On 10/3/13 Carver posted a Gnarvester FAQ where they said the frames are expected in the last week of November.

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    Nevermind.
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