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    Introducing the Carver Gnarvester!

    What do you get when you cross a Carver 420 Ti and a Surly Krampus? The new Carver Gnarvester! It's basically a 420 with room for Knard 29+ tires. I have not ridden it yet, still building it up, but first ride will be in a couple of days.

    My story if you're interested, if not, skip to the pictures. When I heard that Surly was releasing 29x3 tires, I knew I wanted to try them out. I managed to squeeze them into a frame I already had (thread here: Ti Carver + Knard = ???). After a couple of rides, I knew I wanted a dedicated frame to run the Knards, but with some geometry tweaks and lighter than a Krampus. So I sent Davis at Carver an email asking about doing a custom 420 Ti with room for Knards. He sent a quick response that read 'like this?' with a couple of pictures of exactly what I requested. Apparently, he had already thought of it and was testing one. After a couple more email about details, turns out he had another frame for sale, in my size no less, which was quickly on it's way to me, along with a new design tapered carbon fork.

    First teaser pics below:
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    Destiny, nothing else Look forward to the reports.
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    Must resist using all caps and bold to convey my jealousy.

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    Wowza. Looks great, can't wait to see it built up..

    I'll bet Davis at Carver will be getting a few more emails.

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    This is incredibly exciting.

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    Davis Carver Rocks. Seriously - he's a super cool guy.

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    Some smart thinking on Carver's part to get on the ball with this. Will be watching to see it complete and hear your thoughts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Some smart thinking on Carver's part to get on the ball with this. Will be watching to see it complete and hear your thoughts!
    Agreed! I will be updating, so keep an eye out. Couple more pictures:
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    Geo charts?

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    BikeNY, are the angles the same as the 420 then? I saw your post and got real tempted, went to their site as a Ti HT is in my future, but was a bit disappointed with the 69* HTA with a 140mm fork, now if it was 69* with a 120mm fork I could do with that. Right now my front runner for my future Ti HT frame is the Titus Fireline EVO, although having room for a Knard is something that could sway me to the Carver, despite the un-believeable price Titus is selling the FL EVO for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    BikeNY, are the angles the same as the 420 then? I saw your post and got real tempted, went to their site as a Ti HT is in my future, but was a bit disappointed with the 69* HTA with a 140mm fork, now if it was 69* with a 120mm fork I could do with that. Right now my front runner for my future Ti HT frame is the Titus Fireline EVO, although having room for a Knard is something that could sway me to the Carver, despite the un-believeable price Titus is selling the FL EVO for.
    Yes, geometry is basically the same as the 420 with longer chainstays and room for the Knard. According to the Carver site the HT angle is 68 with a 140 fork, 69 with a 120 fork. The fork I got has an AC of 490mm, so that should put the angle at around 69.5. I hope that helps!

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    Can't wait to see it ... I'm sure it will be sweet.

    But I thought when it came to carbon, you had a "just say no" policy ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowPokePete View Post
    Can't wait to see it ... I'm sure it will be sweet.

    But I thought when it came to carbon, you had a "just say no" policy ...

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    You got me! Up until now that is absolutely correct. Even my road bike doesn't have any carbon on it! I figure carbon has come far enough that I can give it a try.

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    I would buy that if it was also belt drive compatible or available as an option. I'm thinking 29+ belt drive Rohloff.

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    First ride report

    So I finally got my first ride in on the Gnarvester, so just a quick report here. I had a few component compatibility issues to sort through which took a bit longer than I wanted, but all good now.

    First of all: I know I have a ton of spacers under/over the stem, so don't comment on it! I am still fine tuning the fit and did not want to cut the steerer too short.

    The ride was about 1.5 hours with a couple of stops to make adjustments. One word description: FUN! Took a little bit to get used to the different handling compared to the other frame, mostly the slacker headtube angle. The bike felt very solid: The shorter stays give it that playful feel and make it easy to get the front wheel up or bunnyhop. slack HT angle make it plenty stable when the speed picks up, and I had no problem keeping the front end down, even on steep techy climbs. Lastly, I am still amazed at the climbing ability of the Knards! If you have the legs for it, it just rolls right up the steepest rocky, rooty trails without a hiccup. You almost don't have to worry about your line and just pedal!

    I have the sliders set all the way forward, which gives a CS length of 17.5", and there was still plenty of tire clearance. This thing is ready if/when Surly comes out with a knobbier 29+ tire. Weight on my crappy scale was about 26.5lbs, about 2 pounds lighter than my other setup. The majority of that savings was thmoving from a steel Niner fork to the Carbon Carver fork.

    Questions? ask away!
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    that's really cool! Now ditch those silly pulleys and cables and really enjoy it!

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    Forgot to include this in the last post, here is the parts list:

    Carver Gnarvester frame, 18"
    Carver Carbon tapered fork, 490mm A-C, 45mm offset
    Cane creek 40 tapered headset
    Wheels: Jeff Jones 50mm (actually 48mm) 29er rims, Hope 100mm front & 135mm singlespeed rear hubs, DT Comp butted spokes, 120tpi Knards, built by Mike C. He claims they are *really* Burly!
    6 speed custom Ti cassette, 12-33: 5 cogs from an old Boone 2 speed cassette and an offset 33t Ritchey to cog
    Truvativ AKA GXP cranks (same as SRAM X9) with 28t Ti HBC spiderless chainring
    Shimano XTR M960 rear derailleur
    Shimano 8 speed barend shifter mounted on a Paul Thumbies mount
    SRAM PC68 chain
    Old style Time ATAC Titan pedals (the best pedals ever!)
    Old style Moots layback titanium seatpost
    WTB Silverado titanium railed saddle
    Race Face stem (temporary)
    Groovy Luv Handle titanium bar
    Old Hope Mono Mini brakes, 180/160
    Ergon GS2 grips (soon to be GS1 without barends)
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    I think that's it.

    I also plan to have it setup for easy singlespeed conversion. I will have a second chain that is the proper length, and then set the sliders at the appropriate spot for my gearing. The swap will then require only:

    1. Remove chain
    2. Unscrew derailleur bolt
    3. Unscrew shifter bolt (mount is hinged, so shifter comes off without removing brakes/grips)
    4. Remove 3 clips holding shifter cable
    5. Swap cassette for SS cog and spacers
    6. install second chain

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    Mighty nice bike sir!

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    Nice build, bet that thing is a blast.
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    So, so itching for something like this, can't wait until my Blunt35s arrive and I can give a Knard F/WW LT R a go on them on my Monkey
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    Looks sublime!
    I was ready to put a deposit down on a custom frame to accommodate Fat/29/Knards...now it looks like I may be selling at least one bike in anticipation of an upcoming relocation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Forgot to include this in the last post, here is the parts list:

    I also plan to have it setup for easy singlespeed conversion. I will have a second chain that is the proper length, and then set the sliders at the appropriate spot for my gearing. The swap will then require only:

    1. Remove chain
    2. Unscrew derailleur bolt
    3. Unscrew shifter bolt (mount is hinged, so shifter comes off without removing brakes/grips)
    4. Remove 3 clips holding shifter cable
    5. Swap cassette for SS cog and spacers
    6. install second chain
    Very cool!

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    THAT is something I can get excited about!

    Good plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post

    I also plan to have it setup for easy singlespeed conversion. I will have a second chain that is the proper length, and then set the sliders at the appropriate spot for my gearing. The swap will then require only:

    1. Remove chain
    2. Unscrew derailleur bolt
    3. Unscrew shifter bolt (mount is hinged, so shifter comes off without removing brakes/grips)
    4. Remove 3 clips holding shifter cable
    5. Swap cassette for SS cog and spacers
    6. install second chain
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    You have the coolest bike around! I plan to have something similar soon. So it sounds like the CS length will be within a few mm of the Krampus, tough job fitting all that stuff in a tight spot. What is the BB drop, or BB height? Also how stiff does the rear end feel? The Krampus felt very soft the me in the rear.

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    Will this be available to the masses? Or is it custom?
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    Introducing the Carver Gnarvester!

    You beat me to it. I was so tempted to get a 420, but went with a nimble9. 420+knard compatibility would have sealed it!

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    Introducing the Carver Gnarvester!

    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Will this be available to the masses? Or is it custom?
    Davis will make you just about anything you ask for!

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    How much did the frame cost?

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    How long ago did you order & get your HBC chain ring?

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    I've been thinking of a custom frame right along these same lines. I'm too curious about the BB drop. The only reference point I can find is the Krampus, and curiously, the Krampus has less drop than the Karate Monkey--you'd think for the big tires, they would lower the BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Will this be available to the masses? Or is it custom?
    Yes, this will be available to the masses. He built a couple as test units, and then will be making more and it will be one of his standard models. I have no idea when that will be, so best to ask him directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x3speed View Post
    How much did the frame cost?
    Price is the same as the Carver 420.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29ger View Post
    How long ago did you order & get your HBC chain ring?
    I have had this ring for like 2 years, from back in the good ole days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    I've been thinking of a custom frame right along these same lines. I'm too curious about the BB drop. The only reference point I can find is the Krampus, and curiously, the Krampus has less drop than the Karate Monkey--you'd think for the big tires, they would lower the BB.
    I honestly don't know what the BB drop is on this frame. Carver claims the 420 has a BB drop of 52mm. I will ask and see what Davis says. I can say that it did not feel overly high. That said, I don't like my BB too low as it results in too many pedal strikes around here.

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    Oh my giddy aunt. I was just looking at the 420 for a SS frame. Looks like I need to go take some measurements....

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    I believe the BB drop is -75mm.

    Any chance we can get a picture showing tire clearance from the bottom of the bike? Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincentg View Post
    I believe the BB drop is -75mm.

    Any chance we can get a picture showing tire clearance from the bottom of the bike? Thanks!!
    No problem, couple pictures below:

    Edit: This is with the sliders all the way forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    No problem, couple pictures below:

    Edit: This is with the sliders all the way forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Nice socks! And nice bike.
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    Thanks very much!

    Stiff enough rear end?

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    Ugh, now I have to start figuring this out and how to get it belt drive and Rohloff compatible.

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    Rohloff is easy, just use a disk hub with either a Speedbone or a Rohloff-specific LH dropout (if there is one), and a Rohloff or compatible 4-bolt rotor. Belt drive will require some cutting of the frame, and welding in of the appropriate parts...

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    I've been touching myself to your pictures, bikeny. I hope that's ok with you.
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    I e-mailed Carver yesterday, but haven't heard anything. Hope he still has some of those prototypes left, or else I'll just have to get him to build me one.
    What size did you go with, bikeny?
    How has yours been doing over the past two months?

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    Just got an e-mail from Forrest Carver. They are ready to place an order. I'm just barely 5'8" and trying to decide between the small and the medium.

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    Any updates on the Gnarvester at all from anyone with one or on order? I have a small on hold (5'7" for reference. Same ETT as my Pugs) to replace my Pugs and am super excited to try a lightweight 29+ to replace the pig of a Pugs I have. Just want to compare the 29+ to a Pugsley. I really miss my old Dillinger which had fat tires and rims. It was pretty nice, but I am looking forward to trying this beast out.

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    On 10/3/13 Carver posted a Gnarvester FAQ where they said the frames are expected in the last week of November.

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    Nevermind.
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    Bumping this thread. Went from 2.25's, to a 2.35 front to a 2.35 front/rear. Every time I go bigger in the tires, I am happier (and faster). So when the Krampus came out, I knew it was only a matter of time before a lighter frame would show up. Funny, I would have bet Niner would have been all over this (as clearly their name keeps them out of the 650B market...and maybe they eventually will be) but instead it is Carver (and others). Yep, this might be 'The One'. Finally getting close to pulling the trigger. Just curious if there are any more reviews of the Gnarvester now that they have been out a bit longer.
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    Re: Introducing the Carver Gnarvester!



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    It's belt drive compatible with a bolt-together rear chainsaw already built in.

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    Nice.
    I am trying to be patient. I have exchanged some emails with Carver, but thus far, the only items I have purchased for the new build are some DT Swiss 240 hubs and a CC 40 headset. Have not yet committed to rims, though I definitely want to go tubeless. Planing on 120tpi knards on Chinese Carbon 35mm (maybe Derby's), V.Blunts, or maybe waiting for the Stans wider rims...but I am likely too impatient for that.

    bikeny, curious as to why you went with the 490 fork instead of the 470?
    Also, any issues with shoes rubbing the lower chain stays?
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    I lOVE my Gnarvester!!!
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    O.k., I was going to wait until next month, but decided to pull the trigger on a 17" frame and fork today. Glad I did as I was told they had recently sold out of the 18" and 19".
    Gonna swap over most of the parts from my One9 and then decide later if I want to run this or my SIR9 as a SS (the other gets an old 1x9 setup).
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    Nice.
    I am trying to be patient. I have exchanged some emails with Carver, but thus far, the only items I have purchased for the new build are some DT Swiss 240 hubs and a CC 40 headset. Have not yet committed to rims, though I definitely want to go tubeless. Planing on 120tpi knards on Chinese Carbon 35mm (maybe Derby's), V.Blunts, or maybe waiting for the Stans wider rims...but I am likely too impatient for that.

    bikeny, curious as to why you went with the 490 fork instead of the 470?
    Also, any issues with shoes rubbing the lower chain stays?
    I went with the 490 fork because that's what Davis Carver suggested. I really like the slack HTA and the way it rides with this fork. I am also waiting patiently for the Stan's rims, should make tubeless much easier and lighten up the ride by quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    Bumping this thread. Went from 2.25's, to a 2.35 front to a 2.35 front/rear. Every time I go bigger in the tires, I am happier (and faster). So when the Krampus came out, I knew it was only a matter of time before a lighter frame would show up. Funny, I would have bet Niner would have been all over this (as clearly their name keeps them out of the 650B market...and maybe they eventually will be) but instead it is Carver (and others). Yep, this might be 'The One'. Finally getting close to pulling the trigger. Just curious if there are any more reviews of the Gnarvester now that they have been out a bit longer.
    Love mine and glad you pulled the trigger, you will not be disappointed!
    Only bummer about the bike is I don't ride it enough, I need to trim the stable....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    I went with the 490 fork because that's what Davis Carver suggested. I really like the slack HTA and the way it rides with this fork. I am also waiting patiently for the Stan's rims, should make tubeless much easier and lighten up the ride by quite a bit.
    Ah, got it. I am sure I will be happy with the 470 as it will keep the geometry of the bike closer to what I am use to. As for rims, I decided on the 35mm carbon offering from L-B laced to 240's. I have read how people are using Flows with no problem... seems too narrow to me but after doing some fuzzy math I determined it was only fractionally different than using 2.4 (& 2.35) Schwalbes on Crest rims over the past few years. Still, no denying wider is better in this instance.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1x1clyde View Post
    Love mine and glad you pulled the trigger, you will not be disappointed!
    Only bummer about the bike is I don't ride it enough, I need to trim the stable....

    Here was my link:
    This could be the one....
    Oh I've read your thread, and every other thread, blog or posting that is available with a google and bing search of gnarvester, knards, 35mm carbon tubeless and much more. Plus I like looking at the pics and getting ideas of how I want to set mine up. I'm not a 'bling' guy so the fanciest I will get is maybe white spokes and maybe a white saddle. The rest will be silver/ti or black. I decided against using my niner fork as it is 1 1/8...think I'll just leave the existing crownrace on there so I can switch out the fork on the SIR9 if I decide to go that route in the future... or I will sell it.

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    A little 29er plus love via my Gnravester
    local loop before heading into work yesterday morning
    enjoy!

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    Nice, but more pics/vid of the whole bike!!! Sad to admit I watched the entire thing hoping to see the entire bike and the closest I got was the the bike's shadow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    Nice, but more pics/vid of the whole bike!!! Sad to admit I watched the entire thing hoping to see the entire bike and the closest I got was the the bike's shadow.
    Sorry my man lol!
    I thought it was kind of a cool angle, especially with the big ole tire

    Next up I am going to follow a buddy and get the same "angle" but I will be behind him!
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    Some am rides this week on the Gnarvester ala uno gearo


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    so much fun and kinda brutal as a single speed. Running 32x19 here in socal and I think its time to get a 20t on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    I went with the 490 fork because that's what Davis Carver suggested. I really like the slack HTA and the way it rides with this fork. I am also waiting patiently for the Stan's rims, should make tubeless much easier and lighten up the ride by quite a bit.
    dude this is a great bike, help me understand, is this the 490 carver trail fork before they threw the through axle 15mm on it? i ordered one last night and i am really anxious. lol. there is literally nothing on this fork on the internet. i am confident that the fork will hold up to the abuse that i am about to unleash on it, but if u could just tell me about this fork and your experiences with it, ie: biggest crash jump drop or what have you, that would be soo so so appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radioinactive View Post
    dude this is a great bike, help me understand, is this the 490 carver trail fork before they threw the through axle 15mm on it? i ordered one last night and i am really anxious. lol. there is literally nothing on this fork on the internet. i am confident that the fork will hold up to the abuse that i am about to unleash on it, but if u could just tell me about this fork and your experiences with it, ie: biggest crash jump drop or what have you, that would be soo so so appreciated.
    Here is the fork that I have:

    Bikeman Carver Bikes Trail-490 Carbon Rigid Disc 29er Tapered QR15 Thru Axle Mountain Fork

    It used to be available in a QR version, which is what I have, but otherwise it's the same fork. I think it's hard to find info/reviews on the Carver forks because they seem to change pretty frequently.

    I will start off by giving you 2 pieces of info about me and how I ride. First off, this is the first carbon fork that I have spent any extended time on, so I cannot compare it to any other carbon forks out there. Second, I am not a Hucker! I spend the vast majority of my time with both wheels on the ground. I will catch a little air here or there and have no problem dropping a 1-2 foot log or rock, but that's about it. That said, riding the Gnarvester has me catching more air than any bike I can remember, it's just fun! The fork feels super solid and I don't really notice any flex, even under heavy braking. It certainly flexes less than the steel and Ti forks I've been using. As far as crashing, I've had a couple of minor incidents, but nothing major, and the fork shows nothing for it. It seems to be a pretty tough fork. But, being carbon, I'm sure a hard hit on a rock in the wrong spot could cause it's demise, but I think it would have to be a pretty nasty crash! BTW, I'm 190lbs and ride in the Northeast, meaning lots of rocky, rooty, technical trails.

    I think the fork will work great for you, as long as you don't treat it like a downhill bike!

    Good luck, and post up some pictures when it's ready!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Here is the fork that I have:

    Bikeman Carver Bikes Trail-490 Carbon Rigid Disc 29er Tapered QR15 Thru Axle Mountain Fork

    It used to be available in a QR version, which is what I have, but otherwise it's the same fork. I think it's hard to find info/reviews on the Carver forks because they seem to change pretty frequently.

    I will start off by giving you 2 pieces of info about me and how I ride. First off, this is the first carbon fork that I have spent any extended time on, so I cannot compare it to any other carbon forks out there. Second, I am not a Hucker! I spend the vast majority of my time with both wheels on the ground. I will catch a little air here or there and have no problem dropping a 1-2 foot log or rock, but that's about it. That said, riding the Gnarvester has me catching more air than any bike I can remember, it's just fun! The fork feels super solid and I don't really notice any flex, even under heavy braking. It certainly flexes less than the steel and Ti forks I've been using. As far as crashing, I've had a couple of minor incidents, but nothing major, and the fork shows nothing for it. It seems to be a pretty tough fork. But, being carbon, I'm sure a hard hit on a rock in the wrong spot could cause it's demise, but I think it would have to be a pretty nasty crash! BTW, I'm 190lbs and ride in the Northeast, meaning lots of rocky, rooty, technical trails.

    I think the fork will work great for you, as long as you don't treat it like a downhill bike!

    Good luck, and post up some pictures when it's ready!

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    awesome i am very anxious lol keep doing spreadsheeets of potential weight on bike at work - ha ha - it it suposed to be at my door step tomorrow night so i will have time on it this weekend. looking forward to going back to rigid, this will be my first carbon (component!) fork. every part on the steed is currently aluminum - no doubt its a beast but im sure i will not be missing the 140mm manitou i currently have here in orange county california. maybe i will be the outer legs and crown of this fork white to match the bike. im goign to be saving 900 grams over the 140mm. fork. i appreciate the advice i really do. for what its worth i will be putting the fork through its paces this weekend haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radioinactive View Post
    awesome i am very anxious lol keep doing spreadsheeets of potential weight on bike at work - ha ha - it it suposed to be at my door step tomorrow night so i will have time on it this weekend. looking forward to going back to rigid, this will be my first carbon (component!) fork. every part on the steed is currently aluminum - no doubt its a beast but im sure i will not be missing the 140mm manitou i currently have here in orange county california. maybe i will be the outer legs and crown of this fork white to match the bike. im goign to be saving 900 grams over the 140mm. fork. i appreciate the advice i really do. for what its worth i will be putting the fork through its paces this weekend haha
    Enjoy the fork and the riding this weekend. Unfortunately, my Gnarvester has been sitting idle for a while, our trails are still buried under snow, ice, mud, etc. We've been having some wacky weather here in NY, it was 60 deg. Tuesday and today it didn't get over 30. I'm definitely itching to ride this beast again!

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    Just got done with my Gnarvester build...Sick bike!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Enjoy the fork and the riding this weekend. Unfortunately, my Gnarvester has been sitting idle for a while, our trails are still buried under snow, ice, mud, etc. We've been having some wacky weather here in NY, it was 60 deg. Tuesday and today it didn't get over 30. I'm definitely itching to ride this beast again!
    got the fork , does your steerer ever feel like it is knocking when you are tapping the brake my headset/fork/stem are compressed and torqued right. I used my old crown race if that has anything to do with it? I do not notice the knocking a whole lot on the trail actualLy. Justwant to be sure I am not gonna snap a carbon steerer cause it isnt in right haha. On the 15 minute loop next to my house, there is a downhill and a decent up hill. This fork really lightend up my bike and it is strong enough to jump I am 155 and I really trust this fork so far. going to be able to put some actual time on it this weeknedAttachment 878275Attachment 878276Attachment 878277Attachment 878278Attachment 878279Attachment 878275Attachment 878279
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    Introducing the Carver Gnarvester!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sevenz View Post
    Just got done with my Gnarvester build...Sick bike!!!

    This looks pretty close to a build I was imagining. Weight? What width/kind of rims, and does the Lefty have wide clamps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevorrr View Post
    This looks pretty close to a build I was imagining. Weight? What width/kind of rims, and does the Lefty have wide clamps?
    25 lbs (20" frame)
    Rabbit Hole Rims laced with super comp spokes to hope rear hub lefty front hub.
    Lefty has regular project 321 clamps PROJECT 321 | Products: Clamp-On Lefty Adapter Plenty of clearance....Lefty set up with 90mm of travel with a sagged A to C of 480...

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    Can anyone tell me if the Gnarvester frame is made of 3/2.5 Titanium alloy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalo dave View Post
    Can anyone tell me if the Gnarvester frame is made of 3/2.5 Titanium alloy?
    Really??? What else would it be made out of?

    Yes

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    From Carverbikes.com:

    What tubing do you use?

    The titanium tubing that we use is imported for us from Taiwan. It is aerospace grade seamless 3A/25V titanium. The tubing quality is excellent and is available in a quite a variety of tubing diameters and wall thicknesses including double butted, ovalized and tapered gauge. Our head tubes and bottom brackets are CNC machined from 3A/2.5V or 6A/4V titanium, depending on the application.

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    Yes- and the build quality is very good. Lots of bent, hyrdo formed shaped and tapering tubes. Its a sweet deal for a titanium frame. Makes my old Merlins look very very plain
    Loved mine so much I bought the newest Carver O-beast.
    Get yours with thru-axle, it is the bomb!
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    I can't get enough of this bike. Posted my review of it today:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ant-Eater View Post
    I can't get enough of this bike. Posted my review of it today:
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    Hey, I'm the person that just commented on your post on the MTBVT post about the Vassago bikes. Did you order the PMW sliders separately from the bike? I think Carver supplies off-brand sliders with the bike right? Any compatibility issues? Can you slide the axle forward more and clear the frame? I know Dickey had an issue with a shimano 12x142 slider hitting the frame mount and preventing moving the axle all the way forward.

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    The sliders are what Carver ships with the frame. I'm not sure if they're genuine Paragon slider or not, but I'll take a look later to find out. So far, it has been trouble-free. I haven't given them another thought since initially setting up the bike. I'm using quick release hubs, so I can't comment on the 142mm compatibility. According to Carver's site you can use just about any axle combination with the rear end of the frame. I could definitely move the dropouts further forward with my current setup but haven't felt the need to mess with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coloradoxj13 View Post
    Hey, I'm the person that just commented on your post on the MTBVT post about the Vassago bikes. Did you order the PMW sliders separately from the bike? I think Carver supplies off-brand sliders with the bike right? Any compatibility issues? Can you slide the axle forward more and clear the frame? I know Dickey had an issue with a shimano 12x142 slider hitting the frame mount and preventing moving the axle all the way forward.

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    Nice review Ant-Eater. I agree with everything you wrote in there except one thing. There is definitely some flex in the bottom bracket area, mostly because of the plate I think. I notice it when I'm stopped and looking for it, but not at all while riding, so it does not affect the ride at all for me. The best word to describe this bike is: FUN!

    Coloradoxj13: I am pretty sure all Carver's use Paragon sliders now, and the Gnarvester has always used them. Years ago they used some other sliders (I have an older 29er frame with those sliders). I'm not sure when they changed though.

    Also, Dickey had a Ti 420, not a Gnarvester.

    I am also using the QR sliders, so can't comment on the 12x142 ones.

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    There may be some flex, but I haven't noticed it myself. I've ridden ti bikes where I could get the crank arms to rub the chain stays from the flex. The Carver is a pretty big improvement from that perspective.

    Agreed, FUN is definitely the word that comes to mind. I had to go back and edit the article to remove my overuse of that word.

    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    Nice review Ant-Eater. I agree with everything you wrote in there except one thing. There is definitely some flex in the bottom bracket area, mostly because of the plate I think. I notice it when I'm stopped and looking for it, but not at all while riding, so it does not affect the ride at all for me. The best word to describe this bike is: FUN!

    Coloradoxj13: I am pretty sure all Carver's use Paragon sliders now, and the Gnarvester has always used them. Years ago they used some other sliders (I have an older 29er frame with those sliders). I'm not sure when they changed though.

    Also, Dickey had a Ti 420, not a Gnarvester.

    I am also using the QR sliders, so can't comment on the 12x142 ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ant-Eater View Post
    There may be some flex, but I haven't noticed it myself. I've ridden ti bikes where I could get the crank arms to rub the chain stays from the flex. The Carver is a pretty big improvement from that perspective.

    Agreed, FUN is definitely the word that comes to mind. I had to go back and edit the article to remove my overuse of that word.
    So how would you compare the ride of the Gnarvester to your experience on Vassago's? I'm trying to figure out how to decide between the Gnarvester and the 29+ VerHauen...

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    Trevorrr,

    Can you tell me more about the crankset and bottom bracket set up on your Gnarvester?
    I am jumping on the bandwagon, just got my Gnarvester.

    Thanks man.

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    Need help guys, I just got my Gnarvester and I would like to use SRAM X0, what bottom bracket do I need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilyo537 View Post
    Need help guys, I just got my Gnarvester and I would like to use SRAM X0, what bottom bracket do I need?
    It's a regular 73mm bb shell, so most cranks will work, nothing special needed. Mine is setup with a Raceface single-speed crank using a narrow-wide chainring for the 1x10 setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilyo537 View Post
    Need help guys, I just got my Gnarvester and I would like to use SRAM X0, what bottom bracket do I need?
    Just get the XO GXP crankset and install according to instructions. The Gnarvester has a normal 73mm threaded BB shell, and if I recall, that means you do not use the BB spacers that come with the setup.

    I am running an SRAM X9 crankset with a directmount chainring. I'm not sure if the XO is the same, but my X9 crankset came with the bottom bracket. Just make sure you get the GXP version and not the BB30.

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    Thanks Ant-Eater and bikeny. I can't wait to get my Gnarvester goin.

    All the best.

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    The Gnarvester has been my go to bike since I built it up, I can't get enough of it. So far I've done two 100 mile races on it, the Cohutta 100 and the Mohican 100 last weekend, while not quite as fast as my other bike, the Gnarvester gets way more smiles per mile!


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    Quote Originally Posted by santacruzer View Post
    ... the Gnarvester gets way more smiles per mile!
    That's the point, isn't it?

    BTW, That fork looks great.

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    We need to see some photos when you're done.

    Quote Originally Posted by neilyo537 View Post
    Thanks Ant-Eater and bikeny. I can't wait to get my Gnarvester goin.

    All the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ant-Eater View Post
    That's the point, isn't it?

    BTW, That fork looks great.
    It is a very nice looking bike. Mark, maybe I can throw my leg over yours when I come up to ride next weekend?

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    Of course. Thanks again.

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    Introducing the Carver Gnarvester!

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    Trevorrr,

    Can you tell me more about the crankset and bottom bracket set up on your Gnarvester?
    I am jumping on the bandwagon, just got my Gnarvester.

    Thanks man.
    Sorry - I don't have one of these beasts (yet).

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    Is anyone experiencing creaking with their Gnarvester?
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    Is anyone experiencing creaking with their Gnarvester?
    The only creaking I've had with this bike was caused by the seatpost. Pulled the Thomson post and put in a generic aluminum and the noise went away. Apparently, Thomson Elite posts can be a problem with noise and slipping. I don't think there's anything inherent in the frame that creates noise.

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    If you are having creaking seatpost creaking issues I highly suggest you contact carver and let him know. I had a Thomson Masterpiece seatpost that never creaked in my Niner, but was squeaking like crazy in my Gnarvester...he ended up giving me an *unbelievable* deal on a Ti post that completely solved my creaking issue. Oh, and of course it looks sweet with the Ti frame and bar.
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    How can I post photos? I would like to show my Gnar.

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    A couple different ways, but how I do it is...
    Click on "Go Advanced" under the message box. Scroll your mouse over the links and click on the one that shows "Insert Image". From there you should be able to navigate pulling one off your computer or URL.
    Let's see your Gnarvester!
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    If you are having creaking seatpost creaking issues I highly suggest you contact carver and let him know. I had a Thomson Masterpiece seatpost that never creaked in my Niner, but was squeaking like crazy in my Gnarvester...he ended up giving me an *unbelievable* deal on a Ti post that completely solved my creaking issue. Oh, and of course it looks sweet with the Ti frame and bar.
    +1 on that. davis is a jedi master in the long lost art of customer service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    ...he ended up giving me an *unbelievable* deal on a Ti post that completely solved my creaking issue. Oh, and of course it looks sweet with the Ti frame and bar.
    I contacted Carver/Bikeman and got one of those seat posts myself. Quiet bliss...
    and yes, the deal was unbelievable.

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    Any news on the alloy version?

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