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    29+ tire choices

    I see two 29+ tire choices (Knard and Dirt Wizard) on the Surly site. Are these the only choices at this time?

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    Dirt Wizard in 29+ flavor is not available yet, so the Knard is it for now, I suppose you have two choices, 27 or 120 tpi.

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    Vee Rubber has a 29+ tire in their marketing info, but I haven't see one on anyone's bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coloradoxj13 View Post
    Dirt Wizard in 29+ flavor is not available yet, so the Knard is it for now, I suppose you have two choices, 27 or 120 tpi.
    The ETA that folks in the Surly sub-forum are talking about for the 29+ DW is August. I want to believe that's wrong, but it may be bang on. For the moment there's nothing to do, but rock your Knards and wait.
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    real nice clark! i hope they don't release the DW at the end of a riding season. that's just silly marketing

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    I agree. Announcing a product in Sept 2013 and delivering in Sept 2014 is a bit [actually a lot] lame.

    Having said that the wet parts of the year are when many riders want to switch out their Knards for something more aggressive so a fall release isn't totally goofy from that perspective.

    I'm not suggesting anyone actually planned things that way.
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    true that, but you could also have 'em for the earlier wet season of lets say spring.

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    Dumb question. what's the difference between fat tires and 29+

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    One is slow and one is fast.

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Dumb question. what's the difference between fat tires and 29+

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    One is slow and one is fast.
    thanks! no seriously...

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    29+ is made to go on a 29er (622mm bead set diameter, or BSD) rim, and is about 3" wide.

    Fat tires are typically made to go on a 26" (559mm BSD) rim and are in the range of 3.8" ~ 5" wide. Because of the wider tire, the outer diameter is close to that of a 29er.

    They're also slow

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    thanks! no seriously...

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    haha awesome. rep for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Dumb question. what's the difference between fat tires and 29+
    With 4" or 5" tires you can ride some soft terrain like deep snow and sand that would stop a normal MTB. 29+ tires really don't go anywhere a normal 29er couldn't go, but they provide good traction and a bit better ride through say gravel or sandy section on a normal MTB trail. 29+ also gives you great roll through tech sections due to how tall the tire is.
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    that and they are at an od greater than 29 which slackens your head a lil bit. a fun tire, so not to be taken seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    One is slow and one is fast.
    I actually agree with this statement. 29+ is the next 27.5 once people figure out they are 26" wheels with marginally taller tread. And people will get tired of 15-18 pounds wheels once the novelty wears off or if you need to climb hills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    I actually agree with this statement. 29+ is the next 27.5 once people figure out they are 26" wheels with marginally taller tread. And people will get tired of 15-18 pounds wheels once the novelty wears off or if you need to climb hills.
    your post is obscure. 29+ is a 29er tire, not a 27.5 or a 26 w/ a taller tread. the tread is 4" taller than a 26. its a 29er high volume tire, thee end. i climb hills with them no problem so i think you might need to HTFU

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    I think GSJ was making two points:

    - there's only a small difference between 26" and 27.5", about the same as between 29 and 29+. So similar to all those punters who saw 27.5 as revolutionary, the current crop of 29er riders may see 29+ as the Next Big Thing.

    - or coming at it from the other way, people will realize their fat bikes are too slow and ponderous for everyday riding, so they'll downsize, but still want some simple cush. So... 29+.

    Of course, what's stopping this is the fact that there's currently only one tire and two frames that work with 29+.

    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    your post is obscure. 29+ is a 29er tire, not a 27.5 or a 26 w/ a taller tread. the tread is 4" taller than a 26. its a 29er high volume tire, thee end. i climb hills with them no problem so i think you might need to HTFU

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    - or coming at it from the other way, people will realize their fat bikes are too slow and ponderous for everyday riding, so they'll downsize, but still want some simple cush. So... 29+.

    Of course, what's stopping this is the fact that there's currently only one tire and two frames that work with 29+.
    I posted the info below in another thread. There are quite a few 29+ compatible frames. The tires are the issue.

    There are tons of 29er tires so if you have a fatbike and want a faster dirt ride no need to really worry about 29+ just roll with "normal" 29er rubber.

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    29+ stuff....

    29+ Tires

    Surly Knard 29 x 3 [available now]
    Surly Dirt Wizard 29 x 2.75 [summer 2014??]
    Vee Rubber Vee8 29 x 3 [available ???]

    29+ Rims

    Surly Rabbit Hole 29 x 50mm [available now]
    Velocity Dually 29 x 45mm [available now]
    Velocity Blunt 35 29 x 35mm [available now]
    Derby Carbon 29 x 35mm [available now]
    Schlick North Paw 29 x 47mm [available now]
    Stan's 29 x 50mm rim [available ??]

    29+ Bikes

    Surly Krampus
    Surly ECR
    Some fatbikes
    -- Pugsley
    -- Ti Mukluk [pre-2013]
    Carver Gnarvester
    Muru Mungo
    RSD Bikes
    Lenz Sport Fat-Moth
    Travers Bikes Rudy Fat
    38 Frameworks Mastadon
    Singular Rooster

    All the custom frame builders can do a 29+ if they are interested in the format and design challenges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I posted the info below in another thread. There are quite a few 29+ compatible frames. The tires are the issue.
    Add the REEBdonkadonk to that list of 29+ compatible frames
    Tested: REEB Reebdonkadonk « Mountain Flyer Magazine

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    After a few 'attempts' of riding my Krampus in snow, I find that test ride/report a bit questionable. Even misleading, maybe outright deceiving. Comparing it to a fat bike and a normal 29 with skinny aggressive tires, my opinion is the knard is the worst of both worlds. It behaves pretty much as it does in muddy/wet conditions; worthless.

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    Another to add to the list.
    Just spotted in twitter, a maxxis chronicle.
    29x3

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    no date though, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by octavius View Post
    Another to add to the list.
    Just spotted in twitter, a maxxis chronicle.
    29x3
    Image courtesy of On One's Brant Richards
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    thanks GT, just wish it was a better pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    thanks GT, just wish it was a better pic.
    From here:

    Taipei Cycle Show First Look: Maxxis Mammoth and Chronicle Fat Bike and 29+ Tires



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    That tread looks nice. I'll definitely keep my eyes open for some user reviews when they get out into the wild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    That tread looks nice. I'll definitely keep my eyes open for some user reviews when they get out into the wild.
    Maxxis is saying fall.

    I'm saying, "must haz now."
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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky View Post
    Maxxis is saying fall.

    I'm saying, "must haz now."
    LOL - I have learned my lesson. I'm thinking spring 2015!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SyT View Post
    After a few 'attempts' of riding my Krampus in snow, I find that test ride/report a bit questionable. Even misleading, maybe outright deceiving. Comparing it to a fat bike and a normal 29 with skinny aggressive tires, my opinion is the knard is the worst of both worlds. It behaves pretty much as it does in muddy/wet conditions; worthless.
    I agree. Can't wait until some better tires come out so I can steer in the snow again.

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    Vee Tire Trax Fatty 29+

    Here is another from the Taipei show:
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    damn i wish i would've held out a little bit before buying the knard. might be a knard for sale here soon & still has all whiskers on it, maybe 30 miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    damn i wish i would've held out a little bit before buying the knard. might be a knard for sale here soon & still has all whiskers on it, maybe 30 miles.
    Unless you can actually find these new tires for sale I'd keep the Knard. No telling when they'll be ready for sale. Just look at the 29+ Dirt Wizard.
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    yeah i know, pretty soon it will be back to the dirt and the knard will be shelved for a bit. i'm rolling a mid fat front on my xc ht on some duallys i built several weeks ago. the duallys are going on my nimble 9 w/o the knard. i guess i could still roll the knard on my p35's though. just thinking out loud sorry


    that chronicle does look nice though

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    Any have updates on the maxxis and vee rubber 29er plus.
    Especially the chronicle

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozisnipe View Post
    Any have updates on the maxxis and vee rubber 29er plus.
    Especially the chronicle
    I haven't seen anything hit the market. I think we'd see quite a few people posting when they do. So far nothing.
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    29+ tire choices

    I'm awaiting 27.5+ as I think that would be perfect compliment for my fatbike

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    Here's my quick initial thoughts on the 3.0 Maxxis Chronicle.

    Bad Idea Racing: The Chroni(what)cles of Gnarnia



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    mmm does it offer better cornering or braking grip? those are my issues with my knards. nothing quite like the sound of a 3" wide tire skidding into a tight corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandwich View Post
    mmm does it offer better cornering or braking grip? those are my issues with my knards. nothing quite like the sound of a 3" wide tire skidding into a tight corner.
    It was kinda slick out there, being all the rain and humidity. That said, it never let me down. Pushed it as hard as I was willing to and never slipped unexpectedly. Did feel a bit like driving a four wheel drive truck, but as would be expected with this much rubber pulling the front end around.
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    Well glad to see this tire coming one step closer to reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky View Post
    It was kinda slick out there, being all the rain and humidity. That said, it never let me down. Pushed it as hard as I was willing to and never slipped unexpectedly. Did feel a bit like driving a four wheel drive truck, but as would be expected with this much rubber pulling the front end around.
    thanks dude!

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    Vee Rubber Trax Fatty 29x3" tires are out. Anybody picked up a set or have some real world experience on these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    Vee Rubber Trax Fatty 29x3" tires are out. Anybody picked up a set or have some real world experience on these?
    Available where???

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    QBP. Your LBS can get them.

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    I have one coming in the mail tomorrow and a Gnarvester frame next week. I was thinking of running it on front and will replace the Knard on the front of my Les to try it out. I'll post some pics tomorrow night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    I have one coming in the mail tomorrow and a Gnarvester frame next week. I was thinking of running it on front and will replace the Knard on the front of my Les to try it out. I'll post some pics tomorrow night.

    Bought it from AEBike.
    thats where i ordered mine from. should be here end of the week. i hope they are more durable the 120tpi knards. i love the knards but hate their delicate sidewalls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    QBP. Your LBS can get them.
    I see them listed at some stores now. AEBike seems to have the best price.

    Anyone know if/when the 27.5+ version will be available? I've got a project just waiting for these!

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    Looks like Bontrager is getting into the game too.

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    The more 29+ tires the merrier.
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    anyone know what version of the vee rubber tire AE is selling, can't seem to tell from their site?

    here are the three models listed on the vee rubber website for the trax fatty:
    $100- 29×3.0 (WB, 72 TPI) (Weight: 1025)
    $110- 29×3.0 (FB, 72 TPI) (Weight: 950)
    $120- 29×3.0 (FB, 120 TPI) (Weight: 920)

    tread pattern looks decent (though i'd like a tire with deeper knobs for fall/winter). I liked all the regular vee rubber tires i have tried so far so i am hoping this is a winner.

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