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    Quote Originally Posted by mglder View Post
    Why would you want to order from America? You'll get tax/vat added on once they arrive.

    Get them from europe. HiBike.de sell them. And they are basically not far off the price of the regular size specialized tyres over here.

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    They aren't available until the end of May/early June in Europe (Specialized UK won't be stocking the 2.8s at all) and I was hoping to get some now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mglder View Post
    Why would you want to order from America? You'll get tax/vat added on once they arrive.
    because often times they are not available just as when us mericans go in search for goods, sometimes we end up purchasing euro if we want it bad enough that's why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by levity View Post
    I've run a 27.5x3.0 Rocket Ron in the back on two different bikes at 12-14 psi. It rolls well and is OK on rocky surfaces (Moab type slick rock) and hardback "hero dirt" that's firm and tacky. However, it slides too much in loose on hard here in SoCal and does't bite enough in soft or muddy conditions.

    I'd recommend a Nobby Nic if you need lots of traction. Another option in the 2.8 size is the Maxxis Rekon, sort of in between the NoNic and RoRo. Much better grip than the RoRo, more predictable when it does slide, also light weight, and fast rolling.
    Huge thanks for this.
    This fear tire would be used i rocky, slippery terrain hence need to slick well but also be predictable when running downhill.
    Initally i thought that RoRon might work, but when more i search than see that this tire i actually more XC oriented and i might no benefit from roling resistance and sacrify too much of grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feendog View Post
    Good Friday Evening,

    I have the following three tires:
    -3.0 WTB Trail Boss
    -3.0 Surly Dirt Wizard
    -3.0 Specialized Ground Control.

    What would you suggest as front and rear tire for the most reliable combo with the best traction. I recently got a 27.5+ Surly KM and will be riding technical terrain in New England.
    Dirt Wizard front, Trail Boss rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feendog View Post
    Good Friday Evening,

    I have the following three tires:
    -3.0 WTB Trail Boss
    -3.0 Surly Dirt Wizard
    -3.0 Specialized Ground Control.

    What would you suggest as front and rear tire for the most reliable combo with the best traction. I recently got a 27.5+ Surly KM and will be riding technical terrain in New England.
    Dirt Wizard front, Dirt Wizard rear. Or if you only have one of each, DW front, TB rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majr View Post
    Dirt Wizard front, Dirt Wizard rear. Or if you only have one of each, DW front, TB rear.
    Thanks. I only have one DW. DW looks to be tiny bit more narrow than The Trail Boss. I do have a 2.8 Trail Blazer so maybe I'll go with that in the rear.

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    Was wondering whether anyone has had a chance to ride both the Butcher Grid 2.8 and Purgatory Grid 3.0...?

    My rims are WTB i35's and I installed the Butcher 2.8's last night. Just measured them now to be 2.65" knob-to-knob. Compared to the WTB Trail Boss 3.0's I pulled off the same rims, these look substantially smaller (lower volume). I was wondering whether I'd be better off running the 3.0 Purgatory Grid front/back, the Butcher 2.8's aren't looking much bigger than my regular 27.5 setup of Magic Marys on i30 rims. The 3.0 Trail Boss cleared my frame but not by much (4-5mm either side at the chainstays) so not sure if the Purgatory 3.0 would. I'm in the Pacific Northwest and ride plenty of wet rocks and roots so grip is important...question is...would I have better grip with the lower-volume Butcher 2.8's at say 17-18psi or the Purgatory 3.0's at ~14-15psi?
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    Is there actually a 2.8 Butcher Grid? I only see the Butcher Controls on the S website. The Butcher Grids have a much softer compound, but the Controls are only slightly softer than the Purgs. Softer compounds generally grip better in the wet than wider tire, because tire slip happens at much lower forces (before the tire deforms) when it's wet. I'm not sure how those two would compare in the dry, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phride View Post
    Is there actually a 2.8 Butcher Grid?
    I'm looking at it on my wheel right now - Butcher Grid Gripton 650bx2.8

    That said, it looks like both the Butcher Grid & Purgatory Grid now use the Gripton compound...the only difference then being the tread pattern and knob height. I imagine the Purgatory would have a rounder profile whereas the Butcher is a bit more square (especially consider they'd be going on an i35 rim).
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    I'm not sure that Gripton means anything (although it sure sounds cool). The Purgatory Grid and Control both have rubber coming with 60a durometer rating on the center of the tread and 50a (softer compound) on the tread shoulder. The Butcher Control is specced as 50a throughout, and the Butcher Grid knobs are 42a (much softer), although the 2.8 isn't up on their website yet. Assuming it is the same, I would expect the Butcher to give you much better traction, and I would also think that you could run a lower pressure than 15-16, if you had the Trail Bosses at 14-15, as the Grid sidewalls should be much stiffer than the TBs'. Also, the Purg 3.0s have a much wider bead to bead measurement (180) than the Trail Boss (167), so I would expect that they wouldn't quite fit your current bike.

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    I appreciate the insight, I didn't realize the Purg 3.0's are quite that big - definitely a no-go on my Remedy. Sounds like the super-soft knobs on the Butcher Grid will match up quite well with the generally wet conditions in my neck of the woods...might go with something a bit less aggressive for the drier summer months. Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdotrider View Post
    I appreciate the insight, I didn't realize the Purg 3.0's are quite that big - definitely a no-go on my Remedy. Sounds like the super-soft knobs on the Butcher Grid will match up quite well with the generally wet conditions in my neck of the woods...might go with something a bit less aggressive for the drier summer months. Cheers!
    Purg 3.0s measure close to a true 3.0. Butcher 2.8s do measure kind of small, as you have seen.
    As others have stated, the Butcher is a MUCH softer rubber compound, way grippier. I can't comment on your trails, but in the east on rocks/hardpack the Butcher is considerably grippier, and tougher. I would run a Purg 3.0 at around 15.5F/17.5R, whereas the Butcher 2.8 needs 18F/20R to keep from banging the rims on rocks.

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    [QUOTE=phride;13092117]I'm not sure that Gripton means anything (although it sure sounds cool). The Purgatory Grid and Control both have rubber coming with 60a durometer rating on the center of the tread and 50a (softer compound) on the tread shoulder. The Butcher Control is specced as 50a throughout, and the Butcher Grid knobs are 42a (much softer), although the 2.8 isn't up on their website yet. Assuming it is the same, I would expect the Butcher to give you much better traction, and I would also think that you could run a lower pressure than 15

    Pretty sure the Trail Boss is 180mm b-b also. I had a set on I-36mm rims and they measured out to 75mm knob to knob.

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    Need real world info on a replacement plus tire. Currently run WTB ranger and would like to try a slightly more aggressive tire for mud season. Anyone know real measurements of a Rekon 27.5x2.8 vs a 2.8 Ranger?

    2.8 Ranger is the absolute widest my bike will fit..

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    Rekon 2.8 measures 2.66 on s 35mm iw rim knob to knob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back2MTB View Post
    Need real world info on a replacement plus tire. Currently run WTB ranger and would like to try a slightly more aggressive tire for mud season. Anyone know real measurements of a Rekon 27.5x2.8 vs a 2.8 Ranger?

    2.8 Ranger is the absolute widest my bike will fit..
    I have ran both on an i30 and they were within a mm of each other if I recall. If you are good clearance wise with the Ranger you will be fine with the Rekon. In my experience the Ranger would be fine on the stand but would squish out under weight while riding and my chain would rub when in the big cog. The Rekon has been more stiff and supportive and definitely better in the mud. I'm actually planning on running a Rekon front and Ranger rear on my wife's bike. I have the Rekon mounted up. I will try to get some time to mount up the Ranger tomorrow and take specific measurements for you.

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    Super helpful, thanks very much!

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    Anyone want to take guesses as how big the Schwalbe 2.6 tires will be?

    I've got the Slaughter and Butcher 2.6 and they are definitely on the wider side, maybe even true to claimed width.

    I've really liked the Slaughter 2.6, but it's side knobs are just a bit wide for my oldschool 27.5 frame. That and the Butcher is a slow roller.

    Thinking of trying the 2.6 versions of the Rocket Ron Snakeskin and Nobby Nic up front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Anyone want to take guesses as how big the Schwalbe 2.6 tires will NOT be?
    fify, I guess, surmise, suspect they will not be true to their 2.6 label but rather 2.5ish....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Anyone want to take guesses as how big the Schwalbe 2.6 tires will be?

    I've got the Slaughter and Butcher 2.6 and they are definitely on the wider side, maybe even true to claimed width.

    I've really liked the Slaughter 2.6, but it's side knobs are just a bit wide for my oldschool 27.5 frame. That and the Butcher is a slow roller.

    Thinking of trying the 2.6 versions of the Rocket Ron Snakeskin and Nobby Nic up front.
    Another option is the maxxis Forekaster and Rekon both are available in 27.5x2.6 now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonlui View Post
    Rekon 2.8 measures 2.66 on s 35mm iw rim knob to knob

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    Alright so mounted the WTB Ranger back up and took some measurements. I have 3 different pairs of tires. The WTB Ranger 2.8 light and fast, Maxxis Rekon 2.8 DC and Minion DHF 3C 2.8. All tires are mounted on Easton i30 27.5 rims.

    Rangers measure 67mm knob to knob and 66mm casing.
    Rekon come out at 66mm k2k and 65mm casing
    DHF are 67-68mm k2k and 65mm casing

    One final note. I have mounted up so many different brands of tires (WTB, Maxxis, Schwalabe and Specialized) on all 3 different popular diameter rims and I don't know what it is about these WTB's but I remember this the last time I mounted them... and that is I ended up making a ridiculous sealant mess like I'm new at tubeless or something. That and I have to put a lot more sealant in to get them to not leak air out the sidewalls.

    Anyhow I hope this helps.

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    31.3 ??? What's that?

    am super excited about 27.5+ as it fills in one of the last gaps in choice for diameter/width (we now have 31x3, 29xanything you want up to 4.8", 27.5xanything up to 3" or so, etc) but honestly, they are not going to work that well on most 29" frames. Anything big enough to achieve the same diameter as a 29x2.3 or so is going to be too huge to fit in most frames, and a smaller tire (like the WTB) is going to cause a lot of people BB height/pedal strike problems, especially if run at low pressure where you're looking at 15+mm less BB height.

    But they are still awesome and I want some.

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    Hi,

    Looking to replace hated TrailBlazer
    Sidewall in that tyre is a joke...



    I was eyeing Vee Crown Gem in either 2.6 or 2.8 flavor.

    Any real life measurements on iw 35-40mm rim please?

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    I've had a few rides now on my Butcher Grid 2.8's (on i35 rims) and no surprises, traction is amazing...an excellent setup for PNW winter/spring riding. I'll likely replace the Butcher in the rear with something faster-rolling when the dry season finally shows up, but thus far quite impressed with the Spesh tires. They are literally half the price locally of the DHF/DHF2, which goes to show just how absurd Maxxis' pricing is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IvanMTB View Post
    Hi,

    Looking to replace hated TrailBlazer
    Sidewall in that tyre is a joke...



    I was eyeing Vee Crown Gem in either 2.6 or 2.8 flavor.

    Any real life measurements on iw 35-40mm rim please?

    Cheers!
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    I can't help you much with replacement tires, but part of the problem with the sidewalls wearing like that is not because the sidewall is thin, but because the sidewall is much wider than the tread. There are a decent number of 2.8 tires tires out there, but they are all wider than the Trail Blazer, which is more like a 2.6" tire.

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    True story mate...

    Anyways, that's why I'm asking about 2.6 Crown Gem, providing it is REAL 2.6, not closer to 2.3-2.4...

    Unless 2.8 is more like 2.6, so I can go for that...

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    I can't help you much with replacement tires, but part of the problem with the sidewalls wearing like that is not because the sidewall is thin, but because the sidewall is much wider than the tread. There are a decent number of 2.8 tires tires out there, but they are all wider than the Trail Blazer, which is more like a 2.6" tire.
    bikeny is correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by IvanMTB View Post
    True story mate...

    Anyways, that's why I'm asking about 2.6 Crown Gem, providing it is REAL 2.6, not closer to 2.3-2.4...

    Unless 2.8 is more like 2.6, so I can go for that...

    Cheers!
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    the fitment of the TB with casing extremely exposed is the down fall. Give the crown gem 2.8 a shot if you like the VEE tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    the fitment of the TB with casing extremely exposed is the down fall. Give the crown gem 2.8 a shot if you like the VEE tires.
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    Do you have any actual measurements of that one?

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    The wtb ranger and trail boss are both true to size if using something that's actually a plus wheel.

    3.0s are slightly over 3.0 on 45mm inner rims.

    Trailblazer is garbage, 2.6 maybe on a good day and really square tread pattern. Ranger and trail boss are actually pretty good tires for me so far but I got the tough sidewalls. 3.0 tires still weigh less than trailblazer 2.8

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    Moving from Specialized GRID Butcher/Slaughter 2.6 (for sale) to Schwalbe Rocket Ron 2.6.

    I really liked the Specialized stuff, but for 80% of my riding I don't need something quite so aggressive, and when I do I'd probably be happy with more normal 2.35-2.5 sizes.

    Hoping the Rocket Ron is fast rolling, tough (enough) and lightweight.
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    Has anyone used Schwalbe G-One's in 2,8 size? I have finally purchased ones, but I have missed that there are two Evolution versions - Liteskin and Snakeskin which is tubeless easy. I plan to use the tires on DtSwiss XM551 rims, but I am not sure if they can be used tubeless. As far as I have looked, Snakeskin version is not available yet.
    Should I use Liteskins, even with tubes, or should I exchange them for Snakeskin when they become available? I have only experience with LiteSkins on my fat bike (Jumbo Jims), which I use with tubes.
    Many thanks in advance

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    Have just put some 2.6 Nobby Nic Trailstars on some Roval Traverse 29mm internal wheels. They look small (shock eh) right now, but will maybe grow a little overnight.

    They fit easily into the regular 27.5 Suntour Aion forks.




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    ^^ good fit.
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    Any news on proper 27.5+ tyres.

    All the news and exitement seem to be on these whimppy and skinny 2.6.-2.8 ones.
    I presume that the 27.5+thing should be past 29er conversion phase and with frames designed for bigger clearances people would want tyres with larger diameter and foot print.

    Something in the true 3.0-3.25 region.
    I have the VTF 3.25 rear and duro Crux 3.25 front and that combination offers good traction , but for some tasks i would like to try fast rolling rubber.

    it has been long time since first VTF 3.25:s were available , but it is basically still the only tyre bigger than 3inch really available.

    I have trouble understanding the dicrection which 27.5.+ has taken.
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    That's just it, manufacturers aren't producing bikes with big clearances. In most cases, 3.0 is the max fitment.

    I think market as a whole is just excited to see more high-volume, lightweight tires, and most people don't need a 3.25" tire most of the time.
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    Giant insider told me a while ago they saw sweet spot at 2.6, so... there u go. For me,if it ain't 3.0, gtfo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rikardo View Post
    Any news on proper 27.5+ tyres.

    All the news and exitement seem to be on these whimppy and skinny 2.6.-2.8 ones.
    I presume that the 27.5+thing should be past 29er conversion phase and with frames designed for bigger clearances people would want tyres with larger diameter and foot print.

    Something in the true 3.0-3.25 region.
    I have the VTF 3.25 rear and duro Crux 3.25 front and that combination offers good traction , but for some tasks i would like to try fast rolling rubber.

    it has been long time since first VTF 3.25:s were available , but it is basically still the only tyre bigger than 3inch really available.

    I have trouble understanding the dicrection which 27.5.+ has taken.
    It all depends how and where you ride. Plus tires are for the right type of riders and the right type of riding. I like the traction of the plus tires on some surfaces and also the way they smoothen the ride, but I don't like the bounciness when I'm riding aggressively. That is why Enduro racers are looking into 2.5-2.6'' wide tires as they offer plenty of traction and grip but at minimum bouncing and also offers a more stable sidewall. a true 2.5 or 2.6'' tire on the proper rim width that is fast rolling and offer a good overall grip on a wide range of surface could be the ultimate trail tire. There is plenty of new tires in the 27.5x2.6 size like the Maxxis Rekon, Forekaster, Nobby Nic, Specs, Vee Crown Gem, etc. And some people rave about the WTB 2.5 tires that are real 2.5''. The plus bike is certainly here to stay but you have to know the benefits and the drawbacks before going this way to make sure it is for you.

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    To get more clearance in the frame you'll have to go down to a 22 tooth chain ring. Is that what you all want? Go look how close your 30t ring is on your current bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_mack9 View Post
    To get more clearance in the frame you'll have to go down to a 22 tooth chain ring. Is that what you all want? Go look how close your 30t ring is on your current bike.
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    What?
    say wha???
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    I recently started racing my 27.5+ trail bike, I realize it's probably not the best option for XC racing but it's what I have.

    Bike came with a Chinese no name, claimed to be 3.5" but actually measures 3.0. I switched to WTB Bridger 3.0 front and rear. I was losing the front end on our hard pack/loose over hard trails so I switched the front back to the factory tire. Grip is good with that set up, but it's time to replace the front. Any suggestions for a good front to pair with the Bridger rear?

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    Trailboss 3.0, excellent all around traction but rolls very well. Only weakness is probably mud but it's not terrible at that either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_mack9 View Post
    To get more clearance in the frame you'll have to go down to a 22 tooth chain ring. Is that what you all want? Go look how close your 30t ring is on your current bike.
    I've seen some nonsense posted on here but this is up there with the 'best'.

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    Just put industry nine backcountry 360 27.5+ wheels on my new pivot les with maxxis rekon 2.8 tires front and rear. Can't wait to test them out tomorrow.



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    I've spent the past 5 days reading this thread because googling "Kenda Havok Pro" took me here. Not one mention of the Kenda. Damn

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    Quote Originally Posted by agauna View Post
    I've spent the past 5 days reading this thread because googling "Kenda Havok Pro" took me here. Not one mention of the Kenda. Damn
    It's probably listed in someone's signature.

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    27.5+ Tires-img_20170407_142424948.jpg

    My new purgs grids seem to be holding up fine.

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    Sorry if this has been covered but what kind of pressures are you all running at bike parks? I'll have my Mojo 3 with 2.8 Rekons at Bailey Mtb Park this weekend and I'm not entirely sure where to start with pressures. The trails are smooth and flowy.

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    I use those same tires and run 14 front and 16 rear and wright 185 all geared up for loose over hard pack terrain.

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